Favre vs. LeBron: Tale of the Hate
I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but a very famous athlete signed with a different team last night. Perhaps you heard something about it? Since you're reading a sports blog, I'll safely assume that you've been the recipient of an all-out audiovisual assault by every imaginable media outlet in the country about LeBron James bolting for the Miami Heat on national TV last night. I didn't think it was possible, but LeBron and Cleveland topped Jake and Vienna from The Bachelor as the messiest, most disastrous nationally televised breakup of all time only three days after the fame whores reality TV stars had claimed the title. (Side note: My fiancée made me watch Jake and Vienna on Monday night. I'm not sure what was more uncomfortable: watching that or learning that Denny Green's son was just charged with child pornography. Both of them made me want to take a "Crying Game"-style shower.)
Hmm...a legendary athlete stabbing his insanely loyal fan base in the back in an unnecessarily drawn-out and humiliating fashion...that sounds familiar, doesn't it? Well it should, because the last guy that did it is now our quarterback!
That got me to thinking: who pulled the bigger a-hole move by leaving his team? Was it LeBron James reducing the Cavaliers to a complete smoldering garbage fire? Or was it our very own Brett Favre when he joined Green Bay's arch rival last summer? There's only one way to find out--an old-fashioned "Tale of the Tape" breakdown! But in this case, we'll just call it "Tale of the Hate". Let's break it down by eight different categories and find out once and for all who crapped on their former team more:
Relationship with his former team's front office: We simply must start here after Cavs owner Dan Gilbert went all angry message board poster on LeBron last night. I appreciate that the owner is passionate about his team, but...just wow. Name calling and outlandish guarantees, all in Comic Sans font? Simply amazing. I was embarrassed for Gilbert and it's practically my job on this site to call athletes names and make poor predictions. Meanwhile, we know that Favre's tumultuous relationship with Ted Thompson of the Packers was a big reason he signed with the Vikings as the ultimate "eff you" to Green Bay. Under normal circumstances that would be good enough to win, but not after Gilbert's priceless breakup letter. Advantage: LeBron.
The condition of the team after he left: This one's easy. Favre felt pushed out of Wisconsin because the Packers had Aaron Rodgers waiting in the wings. Even as a gigantic Packer hater, I'll concede that Rodgers has been a very good NFL quarterback. Although Favre and Minnesota beat the Pack in both meetings last year, Green Bay still qualified for the playoffs. Meanwhile, the Cavs are left with Anderson Varejao, Mo Williams, Daniel Gibson, and other mediocre players that will definitely leave Cleveland competing with the Timberwolves for a better lottery pick in 2011. Blechh. Advantage: LeBron.
Fan reaction after he joined the new team: When Favre joined the Vikes, lots of Packer fans were pissed at Brett. But lots of fans blamed the front office and still root for Brett. When James joined the Heat, pretty much every Cavalier fan on the planet was pissed at LeBron. Advantage: LeBron.
Uncertainty surrounding his decision: This story is filed under a category called "Favregeddon". We have an entire category devoted to the will-he-or-won't-he nature of Ye Olde Gunslinger. Do I really need to say more? I know there was a ton speculation about where LeBron was going, but at least he had the decency to schedule when he was going to make the decision instead of dragging it on for months. Advantage: Favre.
ESPN absolutely beating us to death with asinine stories and rumors about the aforementioned uncertainty: I thought Favre had this category locked up for all eternity, but I was wrong. With Favre, the four-letter posted Rachel Nichols up in Mississippi. With LeBron, they had analysts on call in six different cities. The coverage for LeBron was definitely more intense, but I have to give points to Brett for sheer longevity. Too close to call here. Advantage: Push.
Press conference telling the world he's leaving his team: Kind of apples and oranges here since Brett was technically retiring, although 97% of the world knew better. Favre seemed genuinely upset about leaving Green Bay--he squirted some tears and everything. James coldly stated in a one-hour special that he'd be "taking his talents to South Beach". Ouch. Advantage: LeBron.
How he performed against his former team: This is incomplete since LeBron obviously won't play the Cavs for a few months. But until James goes for 40 points and mercilessly picks his old team apart both at his new home and in his old stadium (entirely possible, likely even probable), Favre has this one in the bag. Advantage for now: Favre.
Success with his new team: As if a legend leaving wasn't hard enough on a fan base, it's even worse seeing him succeed in a different uniform. Favre had arguably the best season of his illustrious career and beat the Packers twice, but it ended just how Packers fans hoped it would: with a game-ending interception in the biggest game of the year. It's hard to see how the Heat won't make it deep into the playoffs with their all-star lineup while the Cavs are left floundering in the cellar, but we'll have to see how the season unfolds. Advantage for now: Push.
And there you have it--with a record of 4-2-2, King James is the new King of Stabbing a Fan Base Directly in the Heart. Congratulations on your unprecedented dick move LeBron; it truly takes greatness to break one of Brett Favre's records.
Do you guys agree that LeBron wins, or do you still think Favre's antics will never be topped? Vote in the poll and let me know in the comments.
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Not even close. Brett did not screw over his fan base in Green Bay…he was basically forced out. But I am happy that the T-Wolves could help Queen James get to South Beach by taking Beasley off their hands.
Brett was forced out?
You are a complete idiot! He retired and after the Packers decided to go with Rodgers and had practiced him as start, the egotist said, “I think I’ll play after all.” He’s a jerk of the 10th degree! He’s still playing his games with the Vikes and it couldn’t happen to a more despised team. This year the Pack will make Brett sorry he didn’t stay retired. He will NEVER win another Super Bowl.
Take that to the bank!
by intewedm on Jul 10, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Dumb Ass........................
You are a low life jerkoff!
Favre was forced out!
Favre will kick the Packers ass at least twice in 2010!
Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV! Guaranteed!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 10, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can't hold my tongue
I’m sorry, but lets be honest. Favre was not forced out of Green Bay. He told them to move on. They were going to let him come back in the spring, but he again told them to move on. Any team that was in the Packers’ position with a future qb like Rodgers would have done the same thing. It was a smart move. And anyone who says Favre was forced out just sounds silly in light of the facts.
And the move that screwed the fan base in Green Bay was signing with the Vikes. Even John Randall said he would have never signed with Green Bay out of respect for the fans. He went out of his way to make a move he knew they would hate. Good fit or not, he stabbed ’em good.
Well I don't think he was 'forced' out
However, even from the side lines you could tell that the team was interested in Rodgers for the future. As someone else stated it was much like Montana and the 49’rs no one thought he was washed up when he went to KC, however they had Young in the wings and you have to use people like that or they will go someplace else. I doubt the Packers were not cognizant of Rodgers waiting patiently (or not so much) in the wings and they didn’t want to lose him like they lost Hassleback (especially since he is a much better QB)
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
When I go to the bank what do I get?
You may not have noticed but Aaron Rodgers is massively egotistical. Your GM thinks he’s smarter than everyone in football as well. After being forced to decide early, BF changed his mind. You may have missed it but there were constant references to broken promises and roster moves in the drama after he decided to return. Its convenient to ignore that or assume that someone is honest when they hired a professional liar to handle the character assassination of Favre. And this concept may be the most foreign: BF’s life belongs to him.
I must have a blind spot.
Because I really don’t see Rodgers as massively egotistical, or a punk, or any of the other things he’s called on this site. The only time I think he stepped out o line was in the recent interview where he ripped Kornheiser and Jaws. And he was right on Kornheiser. It just probably shouldn’t have been said at all.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 10, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that was persuasive.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
2010, as it happens. :)
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
And what things led you to believe that Favre was “forced” to decide early? This is the thing I just don’t get. TT and MM both said multiple times, publically, that they had been telling Favre to take more time. Now maybe this was just for show but had it been don’t you think Favre would have called them out on it like he eventually did on some other things?
Yeah we all know about the things Favre wanted that TT didn’t get him but he was the GM and Favre was the Qb right? Sure, Favre had been with us for 18 years, and much longer then TT but that still doesn’t give him more power then the teams GM. And after all, the team did end up making the NFC Championship in 2007 didn’t it? Ole’ Teddy must have been doing something right.
Favre retired, we moved onto Rodgers (which was told to Favre and made crystal clear). I didn’t and don’t agree with some of the stuff done after that, like his trade to the Jets but that’s in the past, and I think both sides are ultimately happy now so who cares?
by packallday555 on Jul 10, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Many of us care.....................
Favre cares also.
Teddy T made the biggest mistake in NFL History in not allowing Brett Favre to start for the Green Bay Packers in 2008.
You don’t trade the Greatest Player in Packer History and get away with it!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 11, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he did get away with it.
But Favre, while a great QB and NFL player, isn’t the greatest player in Packer history. At least not in my opinion, though it’s a pretty subjective title in any event so there’s plenty of room to disagree.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm too young to remember any of those guys...
… unfortunately. But looking at the numbers and the impact they had on the game, I’d have to go with Don Hutson. The numbers he put up at WR would have put him in the pro bowl a few times in the 90’s and 00’s, and considering he did it from 35-45 is just mind boggling.
99 TD receptions. Career average of 16.9yds per catch, 24.9 yd’s per catch in 39, 1200+ yds receiving in ’42, AND 30 career INTERCEPTIONS playing safety when the Packers were on defense. MVP in 41 and 42. Held 18 league records when he retired, including most receptions (at that time) with 488, more than 200 in excess of the guy in 2nd place.
Yeah. I think Hutson’s the guy, no offense to Favre, White, Starr, Nitschke, Wood, Davis, etc.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre is the Greatest Packer Player, Bar None..........
Hornung said it on ESPN Radio July 2nd, 2010.
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 11, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for Hornung.
Nice guy. Met him once.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
disagree...
and I would have when he was still a Packer too. he’s in the discussion but he can’t keep up with a few of the greats. Not surprised you think so though.
You want some other good Hornung quotes?
“(Favre) ain’t going to win in Minnesota,” Hornung told the crowd on Tuesday night. “I’ll bet on it.”
Apparently you guys already dismissed him as our Tarkenton.
Chis got off a good line in that story:
“Given Hornung’s history, I’m not surprise to hear he’d bet on it.”
Zing.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
So many to choose from!
Ray Nitschke is one for sure
Don Hutson is for sure ahead of him…he was a man among boys as far as WRs go. He basically reinvented the position and STILL holds some records today! Amazingly.
Bart Starr, Wood, Hourning, White (though not sure if he was a Packer long enough to be in that talk), Hinkle, Lofton, etc. Its a long list!
Lots to argue with...
Best player in packer history?
Teddy T made the biggest mistake in NFL history?
He doesn’t get away with it?
I don’t know if any of those statements are true actually…
Favre might be the best QB in history…its debatable but he’s not the best player in Packer history…there are a few above him there.
Packers rebounded one year later to be in the playoffs and are poised to be back each year for a long time…I’d say he got away with it just fine.
Other big mistakes in NFL history: Not getting Barry Sanders a real team (forced him to retire early). Trading for Hershall Walker (sorry guys, but that was a bad one). The Super Bowl Shuffle. And those are just in our division!!! :-)
The Packers will finish below .500.................
That is Teddy T not getting away with it.
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Jul 11, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just like we were going to go 2-14 last season right?
by packallday555 on Jul 11, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Herschel Walker
What a nightmare… Barry Sanders was a tradgedy though I will agree with that. Man he could have been the best back ever to play if he had only been anywhere else other than Detroit.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Not so sure
The Packers defense would have collapsed in 2008 like it did, with or without Favre. So with Favre, maybe the Packers go 7-9 or 8-8 instead of 6-10. Rodgers still had a good year, but the defense was horrendous.
If the Packers miss the playoffs in 2008, Favre probably retires. Rodgers is a KC Chief, and the Packers are desperately on the phone to Jeff Garcia.
The thought of what the Packers could do now over the next 5 years or so is enough to keep me up at night.
Well it could have happened differently
Rodgers might have been a Vike :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Maybe.
But I’m not sure TT passes on Rodgers even if he’s picking 10 spots earlier…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 12, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
LeBron
I would disagree with many of you that Farve hand a heavy hand in his leaving town all those years ago, but that’s a different tale for a different post.
Mr. Thompson put it best why Lebron was a bigger dick. At least we Packer fan got some tears, whether real or fake. We got a competent replacement at the very least. We have a promising future.
The Cavs just have a bitter owner and dark days ahead. All this from not only their hero, but their native son. That’s harsh.
What demented soul would think Favre was faking his tears?
by Bodysuit Man on Jul 10, 2010 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone who thought through that press conference
He never signed his paperwork to leave and soon started his campaign to get to the Vikings just a few months after that press conference.
by PackApologist on Jul 10, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what user name you use other than this one
but when you set up another account, I’d suggest PackImaginist.
Good advice
besides the extra account by all appearances, the notion that he faked the tears is rather extraordinary. I can only wonder what a mental health professional would think if you admitted to that belief.
I don't know about PA's mental health...
… but those tears looked pretty genuine to me. I’ve said I think Favre frequently lies before, but in that instance I think he meant what he said and he just ended up changing his mind. A fairer description might be that he just frequently says things that don’t turn out to be true.
But whatever. This is all old, really old, news. He’s a Viking and he’s happy, so good for him.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I think the tears were real
The man is emotional at best, and leaving a team he has played on for that many years is a tough call no matter how manly you are.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
This isn't even in the freaking ballpark.
I’m suprised this is even on a Vikings blog.
Lebron isn’t 1/100th of the man Brett is. The only similarity is ESPN’s 24/7 coverage. People think Brett is a diva like Lebron simply because they are tired of reading about him. Brett didn’t screw anyone over.
I'm on a horse.
by craig in calgary on Jul 9, 2010 4:50 PM CDT reply actions
Props on the Old Spice commercial references.
I also agree that Lebron is a large douche of a man.
by CanadianViking on Jul 9, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
For being
as young as he is, LeBron could teach Favre alot about arrogance and ’diva’ness. Favre could teach him alot about being a team guy instead of an ‘I’ guy.
LeBron ran out before he gave Cleveland anything more than hope. He’s looking to surround himself with as much talent as possible in hopes of winning more rings than Michael. That’s the only way he’ll have ANY chance of being considered the greatest. Not gonna happen IMO.
in the end, Favre is still an “I” guy. Lets not get it twisted here…if he was a team guy, he would have made a decision by now. Instead his team is left in limbo without knowing for sure if he’s coming back. His unwillingness to make a decision hurts his teams (both this season and in past seasons in GB) ability to make draft and FA decisions for the better of the team.
That said, LeBron is still the bigger douche for forcing all the fans to have to watch some RIDICULOUS hour long special to have their hearts broken.
If he wins more rings than Michael
Wade will still have one more ring then him. That’s the funny part.
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If he wants that he had better start playing for Phil Jackson...
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Very entertaining post!
But one correction. Favre didn’t end the NFCCG with a “game ending” interception. It caused the game to overtime, just like an incomplete pass and a missed field goal would have. But now we’re just getting into semantics.
True.
“Season-ending” would have been more appropriate since our offense never saw the field again.
by Eric J. Thompson on Jul 9, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
At that point we all knew
the game was over, so for me it was a game-ending
I love Twins Baseball and Minnesota Vikings Football.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Jul 9, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
What do people expect them to do?
If I was in their shoes, Favre or LeBron, I would do whatever suited my interests. Anyone would in their position.
That being said, Favre didn’t have an hour long TV special when he became a Viking. The ESPN thing was ridiculous and really rubs Cleveland’s nose in it. Again, for LeBron it is still all good, since more exposure can’t but increase his income.
I still love Randy Moss, even though he is not a Viking anymore. I just don’t get the hate part of it.
I agree with this to a point.
Most people would take the job that best suited their interests and I don’t have a problem with that. Lebron with his TV special and Wade/Bosh with their documentary film about free agency was way over the top and unnecessarily rubbed the fans from Cleveland, Toronto, and other teams the wrong way.
I guess for me it’s not the decisions people like Lebron and Favre make it’s the way they go about doing things. Favre’s decision this year is much quieter and low key than in previous years and I think that is a more professional approach than he has used in the past. The new big three in the NBA can’t be faulted so much for their decision but for the self-indulgent process all three took part in reaching that decision.
by CanadianViking on Jul 9, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither
I understand why Cleveland fans (and Packer fans, for that matter) are angry, but it’s a business decision, and as Tessio pointed out in “The Godfather”, business and personal decisions usually have nothing to do with each other.
I don’t much care about the NBA, but Lebron made what he thinks was the better business decision, i.e. going to a state with lower taxes and a team that had already signed two big stars who can help Lebron win a title, and thus make more money in endorsements. The Cavs weren’t making the big moves to help Lebron win a title, and Ohio’s state income tax is higher than Florida’s non-existent state income assesment.
Favre, I think, actually made more of a personal decision when he came to Minnesota than did Lebron…but Favre also came to a place where he could start, and have a chance at winning a championship. That means more income in his account.
The Packers, probably incorrectly, made the business decision that they would win more games, and make more money, long-term with Rodgers as QB. I don’t blame them for that decision, but as a Viking fan I absolutely now think the Vikings made a shrew business move in signing Favre.
In the end it’s about the Benjamins, people, even for Favre—accept that and move on.
by Midnight Rambler on Jul 9, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 9, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true…I don’t fault LeBron for his decision…its how he decided to announce it that makes him a prick and a douche. He could have easily held a press conference like Wade and Bosh both did earlier. It would have still broken the fans hearts (that was inevitable no matter where he went) but at least he could have let them down with dignity. I heard him say at least 5 times during the broadcast that he did “so much for that organization” like they owe him some undying faith or something cause he won them some games. That is total BS. He didn’t look like he had any remorse, that is where I think he really messed up.
on a side note, Favre tried something like that too when he said a real Packer will understand or will still like him or something. Players should NEVER tell the fans how they should react or feel about a decision they made. Ever. Its completely arrogant and stupid.
LeBron lost me as a casual fan that night…my heart went out to his fans in Cleveland that had to get their hearts broken in that way.
Favre probably lost money by playing after he left GB
Besides the 20 million, he gave up millions just in the Jets season by not doing as much commercial work. Unless he has a secret castle in Europe or a massive South American hunting estate, Favre doesn’t seem like much of a big spender. Dude is rolling in cash. I think you need to accept that its not all about the Benjamins and move on.
lost money?
The $20 mill that he lost out on from the Packers was petty change compared to what he is getting. First, that was going to be paid out over many years (I believe). Second, he’s making like 11-12 M a year over the past 3 years (which already puts the 20 million in the distant past. On top of that, what commercial work did he MISS out on by being on the Jets? If anything, he probably had more opportunities for making money outside his salary. It may not have been ALL about the benjamins, but lets not pretend that it wasn’t a major part of his decision to stick around.
Not to mention the fact that the 20 million wasn't going to paid out in two years.
It was a longer term offer than that. So not only has he made more, but he’s got it now instead of 5 or 10 years from now.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 10, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus, his uncle is a Nigerian Prince!
Fat, dumb, and happy. Hell, two out of three ain't bad!
I Want To Die In My Sleep Like My Grandpa – Not Screaming and Yelling Like His Passengers.
by Just 'Nother Day on Jul 10, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
absolutely
He can and will make much more doing advertising. I think the estimate I heard was that he could have easily topped 20 million the year he was with the Jets but that he didn’t do any advertising once he was with the Jets. You need to stop pretending that your hatred is logical. I doubt the guy cares all that much about the money.
your defense of him is the only thing that is blind and illogical man. You don’t think he cares that much about the money? When he’s making $12 mill a season? Are you for real? If he doesn’t care about the money, why is he in Sears ads? Wrangler ads (I mean seriously…Wrangler???)? The guy cares about money and more importantly his wife and daughter really care about the money. Lets not make him out to be a saint here. I am not saying he came back FOR the money but when you try to say he doesn’t care much about it, it makes you sound like an idiot. He cares (quite a bit) but Its not the only reason he’s playing.
I would score it 5-2-1 for James
Say what you want about Favre, they never developed a whole TV special for his announcement. Yeah, I give you Favre and the longevity angle, but did Favre ever call ESPN and ask for a TV show?
James wins the ESPN category just for that one alone, IMHO.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
TV special for Favre? Yes there was.
Joe Buck Live. No announcment came, but the show was for Favre addressing his situation and nothing else. Artie Lang was there to fill time.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
I think, however, that since Joe Buck’s show was a serial show (there as more than one of them) and LeBron’s was just for the “Decision”, there is a huge difference.
I thought the show tanked
After Favre was on it. I also thought it was the first Joe Buck Live. If there was more than one episode it couldn’t have lasted more than a few shows.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
It didn’t last more than one or two more shows, but my point was more along the lines that Joe Bucks show wasn’t created solely for Farve to talk to him or tell the world that he was thinking. It was created with the intention of having a series of “Joe Buck Live” shows, unlike “The Decision”.
Fair enough
I just think it was a show created for Favre that Buck hoped would last longer. Once the Favre show was done so was Joe Buck Live.
Difference of opinion, but you will notice even after Favre’s great season I can see him for what he really is. A great QB that feeds off attention. I don’t care who else can’t admit it and one great season with my favorite team doesn’t change that. I’ll still take him as he gives the Vikes their best chance to win even though he likes his, a la LeBron, attention.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
Umm … actually it’s quite clearly documented that Buck booked Favre for his first show many months before this “situation” that you say the show was created for, didn’t even exist.
"I called [Favre] in early April and locked him in, way before the Minnesota stuff popped up," Buck told Dan Caesar of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Sunday night. "Thought he would be the perfect guy to talk about celebrity and life as a Packer legend in a small town like Green Bay. Now the timing makes him the most relevant guest we could have this side of [Iranian president Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad." Buck told the paper that Favre will be in the studio and didn’t balk about this commitment after the Minnesota saga began unfolding. "He said he would be my first guest and he is coming," Buck said.
yeah those were different
The Joe Buck thing just worked out that way…
If he wanted a comparison, the Greta VanSustrand (or whatever her name is) thing on Fox would have been a closer comparison. It was booked specifically for Favre to air his thoughts on everything.
Actually Sustrand disclosed later that it was Deanna behind making that happen, not Brett. In case it matters to your POV on it.
eh it doesn’t matter cause I don’t care about the show, I’m not upset about it. I was just making a closer (I think) comparison. I am not surprised Deanna was behind it though, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was behind a few of his decisions.
The "situation" was always there.
Even when he so-called retired from the Jets he said “at this time, I’m done”. So basically we knew there was a chance he would come back. I doesn’t matter when the stuff “popped up”, its Favre and we knew it would.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
Are you paying any attention at all to the context of this discussion. It’s abouttthe timing of his appearance on Joe Buck specifically. Not about what he might or might not do, sometime, some day, regarding his career.
For anyone really paying attention
We knew that there was a chance Favre would come back after his final Jets press conference when he stated “at this time I have no intention on playing”. I had been discussed that the door was left open righ there and the by ESPN, NFL network and all the rest. Joe Buck asked Favre about playing again as if it were the main topic not just his career in general. I do believe the topic of playing for the Vikings was brought up. So believe what you want, but the show was created for the main purpose of discussing Favre’s playing future and is what they did for more than half of Favre’s time on the show.
Favre's ankle, Starcaps BS and hopefully a busy Piston offseason, oh my. Go Netherlands/Holland/Dutch Soccer(no its not Football)! Also, Lesnar, Lesnar, Lesnar!!!!!!!
That pretty much nails it from my perspective.
And of course ESPN bit. I used to love ESPN. Then Disney took over and things went to hell. Now the only time I turn it on is when they’ve got an NFL or MLB game I want to watch. And the World Cup. Otherwise I try to avoid it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 10, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Great post, Eric. I enjoyed it! Well done, Sir.
Based on football being the only game in town for GB, the amount of time/records Favre racked up, and the bitter rivalry with the Vikes, I had to go with #4.
LeBron’s TV special made it closer than it should’ve been, though.
Yeah but!
LeBron never had a street named after him.
I voted Lebron for the overkill coverage.
I can’t believe he didn’t go for the 1.94 billion deal that the Knicks offered him.
How about five more years of Brett Favre with the Vikings for 1.94 billion. That would be worth the money.
I wondered if this was going to be a topic out here
I think LeBron is the king douche right now. Its one thing to leave the Cavs and move on via FA…that is his prerogative and right. I get that angle. But to string it along to the last possible day and then to announce it with your own friggin ridiculous 1 hour special on ESPN is a whole new level of greed and arrogance.
The analogy you made is a fair one though as LeBron has now treaded into Favre territory in the media hog spectrum. I half expected Favre to make an announcement at about 7:55 that night to try to trump LeBron. THAT would have actually made me laugh. Favre’s situation was quite different but they both went out of their way to maximize their exposure in getting what they wanted taking little thought toward the fans that stuck by their side for many years.
Now the Cavs fans have a taste of what the packer fans went through all those years ago…I already saw pictures of LeBron jerseys burning, people swearing their asses off about how awful he is, etc. I think the backlash is even bigger and more national with LeBron though because he might have had an even larger “casual observer” following. Everyone wanted to see the kid do well cause he seemed such a nice genuine kid and we all watched him grow up and play for a small market local team. He has shown his true colors now…people have turned on him. I am curious to hear if he starts getting booed everywhere now instead of cheered for!
The answer to this depends on the actual question
Is the question #1:“Which legendary athlete stabbed his insanely loyal fan base in the back in an unnecessarily drawn-out and humiliating fashion?”, or #2:“Who pulled the bigger a-hole move by leaving his team?”? I have seen answers to both questions without mentioning which question they were answering. The fact is that both questions have very obvious different answers. #1 is Favre without question and #2 is LeBron without question. This shouldn’t need to be explained.
My Bad, Got connected to this page direct
The Home Page has the question. Who screwed over their former fan base more? The answer is LeBron. That city is decimated.
Cleveland is clearly going to be more destroyed. They have nothing in place to replace him…the Packers were starting to prepare for the days without Favre so while the situation sucked and how it went down sucked, the team rebounded pretty quickly. It might be a while before Cleveland really emerges from this!
Insanely loyal fan base? Please. Stab them in the back? Just STFU already with the ditzy exaggerations. Acme Packing Kindergarten is quite happy to have nonsensical tantrums and whining and sliming. Knock yourself out.
You gotta keep the phrases in context
“Insanely loyal fan base”? It’s a fair statement. Only the Steelers are mentioned in the same breath. “Stab them in the back”? I mentioned earlier that I think originally, Favre’s heart was in the right place and his actions were a pain response. It will always be interpreted differently.
Haha are you really going to argue that the Packers don’t have an extremely loyal fan base?
by packallday555 on Jul 10, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Apologist ???
If you thought you just lost your 12 million dollar lottery ticket . You’ld cry like that too !!!
When will fans ever see the dedication that goes into winning . Contracts are not guaranteed . Don’t blame the players player ! Blame the systemand it’s rules . Your all to quick to blame the successful ones . If Cleveland wanted himso bad they should have extended him in mid stream of his 7 year deal . They gambled . They lost . LeBron and Brett have few comparisons . Brett got big thru longevity . LeBron was destined from day one .
Remember Brett didn’t abandon Green Bay . They ordered him to stay away from practice as Aaron forced a contract or release manuever . Aaron will be very likely to bail on Green Bay the second time around too ! Brett was guaranteed a cometition remember . He was the one lied to …. Oh how cloudy the details get . Maybe after a third year hangover GB fans can go back and remember how things really happened . Brett got the Midnight call where he told Bus to pull the trigger to go to Tampa . And was told of the betrayal to the Jets . Remember the call from Brad to say goodluck was a violation in the Packers eye . Yet the commish turned a blind eye when Brett sat with the Tampa owner to speak about his future . Facts are hard for the losing teams to swallow ! But Packer fans have been swallowing for years now haven’t they …
I’m back ….Doc Goth hates to hate on every angle good and bad but ….. If the cleet fits ……….Wear it !!
Remember Brett didn’t abandon Green Bay . They ordered him to stay away from practice as Aaron forced a contract or release manuever . Aaron will be very likely to bail on Green Bay the second time around too ! Brett was guaranteed a cometition remember .
And the winner for best conspiracy theory goes to gothic purple!!!
Brett was guaranteed a cometition remember . He was the one lied to ….
He was told he could compete for the starting job, and he chose not too, which I think everyone expected.
by packallday555 on Jul 10, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Purple Blinders
There are so many more informed Viking fans than you.
by Welzy on Jul 10, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to conclude that Favre was forced out...
… you’re free to do so. Many have because they believe that GB forced Favre into giving them an answer before he was ready to do so and he opted to retire, and then they wouldn’t let him come back when he wanted to. But the bulk of the rest of your description of what happened is outright fantasy.
Let’s see some citations to these “facts”. I’d like to read the story where Favre was promised a competition. Or the one where Rodgers “forced a contract or release manuever”, whatever that is. Or are you just full of it?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 10, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You never seem obligated to have much evidence for your theories. Interesting that you can determine what is and isn’t fantasy.
Arguing a theory is one thing.
But he’s claiming to know “facts” I’ve never heard before. I’d like him to educate me, if he can.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I am fairly certain.
But I’m willing to be proven wrong, if he’s seen and read things I haven’t.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 11, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if you need facts to prove this.
I think honestly that Favre was shown the door much like McNabb was this season. I don’t blame Green Bay for it at all. They had a solid young QB who was coming up on his contract and they needed to make a decission about him. The Eagles had the same thing happen to them. If Green Bay kep Favre they had a real chance of Rodgers looking for another team, and we all know how hard it is to find a solid QB who can be lead the team for the long term. I think Packer fans are being disingenuous when they state there was no pressure on Favre to retire or at least think about leaving. So now him leaving was by no means a stab in the back, it was much like Montana going to the Chiefs.
Now when he came back to MInnesota? That can be construed as malicious however it was a year after he was traded to the Jets so really the Pack had no ties to him anymore. The Vikes ran a system he knew well and were by all accounts a QB away from SB contention (which turned out to be pretty much true) What QB in his right mind would not be drawn to that?
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Jul 12, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more.
But in regards to your last comment, you’re exactly right. And after Favre retires, we’ll have some opportunities at a QBOF for just that reason.
They wanted to go different ways in Green Bay. Favre wanted to go for it one last time before he retired, and Thompson wanted to keep the purse closed and stay in rebuilding mode, preserving $, until after favre retired, because he didn’t think Favre could take the team there, and it would be a waste of money to try, and would compromise his ability to do it once favre was finally gone. it took a few years for this to become clear enough to favre that he got fed up, but this is ultimately what forced the split, that fundamental disagreement. BTW, Andrew Brandt (former packer salary cap guru) has confirmed this was Thompson’s attitude, over in his columns at NFP Something had to give, and it was clear it would not be Thompson (short of him getting fired, which Favre could not hang around long enough for).
Both POVs are reasonable, but I think 2007 proved Favre right and Thompson wrong, if they had just gone out and gotten one or two free agents — maybe just a top tier defensive end to take some pressure off their good but aging CBs, and a decent back who doesn’t get completely shut down by a decent run defense like the Gints’? — I think Packers prevail in the NFC championship game. That was the formula Ron Wolf used in the 90s, build a good team through the draft, but then make that final push to become a great team with a few key FA moves at the end. But … Thompson made his decision, the Packers became the youngest team in the NFL even while they still had the old QB and tackles and CBs. Thompson’s stubborness to pursue any new major FA in the prior couple off-seasons may have cost GB a championship in 2007. Although ironically, I think the success of 2007 pushed Thompson even harder the opposite way, he realized “hey we’re close, the rebuilding is done” and wanted to make his push, and wanted favre out of the way so he could do it with rodgers as he always planned, and before his CBs got too old. But … alas, his stingy ways sabotaged his own plans, his refusal to do what it takes to build quality lines (what Wolf did) and get a quality back sabotaged last year the ability of his golden boy & now experienced rodgers to get it done last year. Just as it had sabotaged Favre two years before. And now … those great corners are starting to wind down their careers, and there is still not a quality running back to be found on the green bay roster.
Thompson didn't have a choice
He inherited a team that was over the cap before the draft even happened. Sherman took his “one last run” with a team that just didn’t have enough fire power. When it didn’t work, it cost him his job and they had to bring in someone to rebuild. Unfortunately (for Favre) Favre was still there and was how in the Twilight of his career on a team that was rebuilding. Amazingly he still had a chance at an NFC Championship game only a couple years into the rebuild.
Thompson did things the right way in my book though. He shed the overpaid guys that was nearing their twilight. Filled the team with young talent and let it grow. Bringing in big name FAs in the midst of rebuilding doesn’t usually work. I think the 2007 season made things confusing because we almost had too much success too quickly which made people think that maybe the rebuilding was done when it wasn’t. I think it was just lightning in a bottle.
Maybe if they had actually announced publicly that TT was brought in to rebuild, that would have helped. Why else would you shed Sharper, Longwell, most of your line, and a few other good players…it was a rebuilding. I am happy with where things are now and heck how many teams get to see their team in an NFC Championship game in the middle of a rebuilding process. Not many.
Bringing in big name FAs in the midst of rebuilding doesn’t usually work.
And not signing them usually doesn’t “work” either. You stay in “rebuilding” mode, which is a euphemism for “not winning as much as you need to.”
I think the 2007 season made things confusing because we almost had too much success too quickly which made people think that maybe the rebuilding was done when it wasn’t. I think it was just lightning in a bottle.
I think it was Brett Favre in a bottle. He carried that team. In the first half the season, when the self-professed run game guy Mike McCarthy had zlich for a run game (I think they were 32nd in league after 8 games) Favre essentially manufactured a substitute for it with lots of short passes.
The bittersweet irony I find in what went down in 2007 is this: Favre said in the camps before that year that it was perhaps the most talented team he’d ever played on, something he didn’t say in previous years. And you, I, and everyone else went “WTF, is he nuts?” I will admit I did, and I know you did, whether you admit it or not. But … the real “WTF” thing for me, accepting and agreeing with the general idea of what you just said, and looking at it in hindsight: WTF, Brett Favre knew 1000 times better what the Packers were capable of than the Packers GM did! You and I are relatively clueless, we are forgiven for being surprised. You would hope this guy would not have been. The only person who appeared to recognize what they had there and was willing to say it publically, was Brett Favre.
p.s. BTW … you do know that the Packers were over $25m under the cap at the end of the 2007 season, right? Google it. So, whatever cap problems Thompson inherited from Sherman, they were gone by 2007. Bzzt.
You are right I thought Favre was on crack when he said that about the 2007 team…it might have been part motivation and part him believing it. I think he wanted the guys to believe in themselves. But you are right I, along with every media person in the world, thought he was crazy.
Yeah the cap problems were gone by 2007…that is what happens when you cut loose a top notch kicker, pro bowl safety, and most of your offensive line. So he had effectively completed his task of stripping out the guys we couldn’t afford to bring back. But you don’t cut loose a bunch of overpaid guys to bring in a bunch of new ones. That just doesn’t make sense.
Favre vs Lebron
Lebron not even close.
Brett left in the tail end of his career with his legacy in place. He delivered a chanmpionship to GB. He was kind of pushed out. Similar to Joe Montana at the end of his career.
Lebron ran away without delivering a thing because he couldnt get it done.
They both have huge egos but Brett has heart look at how he limped back on the field in New Orleans. Lebron whine like a sissy about his elbow. Lebron should look at Kobe and follow his example.
Is this a Packers Blog Now?
I wouldn’t dignify that poll with a response and I think it should be removed.
Lighten up, Francis.
I’m pretty sure it was designed to illustrate that the hate against Favre is misplaced by comparing him to a guy everyone outside of Miami and his immediate family would agree acted like a jackass.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 10, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy
It’s healthy to get rational opposing input. Nobody likes a troll, but please accept constructive opposition.
Haha so obviously Salty is a Favre lover who has followed him from GB to NYJ to MN..
by packallday555 on Jul 11, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Relax Salty your getting your dander up.
Argue the argument not the people mate!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Business is Business
Once again, We the Fans, indulge in the imagination that loyalty is a significant factor once contract time comes around. That’s nice, and understandable, but naive.
Where’s the loyalty when owners decide that it’s in their best interest to drop a player who they decide wants too much money or might not perform well the next year? It isn’t there. Owners and coaches make their decisions based on what’s best for the team, and for their revenues.
It would be stupid for players not to be just as mercenary in their approach. They should go where their careers will be most enhanced (which means either promotion or money or both). That’s in their best interest.
I can’t agree with either poll question.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
but the problem is...
the players expect Cleveland fans and fans in general to remain loyal to them despite these decisions. LeBron made numerous comments about all he did for fans in cleveland and the city and stuff and how he thinks they’ll remember him for that. The fact is that he has has the right, 100% to play whereever he wants. I don’t care about that, but that decision carries its own consequences. His decision to break the hearts of his entire fanbase on national TV in a prime time slot on ESPN rather than just through a press conference like a normal player has consequences. I don’t mind that LeBron moved on…honestly I am not surprised at all. I think his time in CLE was done and he was going somewhere no matter what but he was arrogant and brash in his way of doing it. At least with Favre he sounded genuine in most of his press conferences. LeBron sounded cold and totally ungrateful for all the fan support and for them paying him cagillions of dollars to play there.
Fair enough
You’re right, there’s a classy way to do something like that, and then there’s the other option. LeBron James in collaboration with the media, turned it into a huge circus. Certainly he knew how his fans looked to him and he showed zero consideration for the people who, ultimately, put money into his wallet. While he had the right to move on, he could have shown a little class and a little consideration on his way out of town.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Exactly
It’s about the money for pretty much everyone in sports.
I’m glad the Vikings signed Favre, and glad I was wrong a year ago when I said it was a mistake to do so…but I am not under any illusion that Favre came to Minnesota strictly out of love of the game, or just the desire to win another championship, or merely the desire to stick it to Ted Thompson.
by Midnight Rambler on Jul 11, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He had at least 12 million other reasons
This said I would be disapointed if AD left the team for more money or a better chance at a ring, but I really doubt I would hate him for it. Unless of course he did it maliciously in which case I would hate the person I never knew he was more than the decision to do something to improve himself. Heck I don’t hate Chester and I think him leaving was personally a mistake.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
The Packers traded Favre, for a third round pick.
So really you can’t “blame” anyone but management for him leaving. Case closed.
Hmm
I really do not believe this is a question that can really be debated. The only real blame in my eyes that can go to Favre is his “indecisiveness.” After he retired, he had a chance to return and compete for the starting job. I think we hit the “gray area” of an issue. On one side, you have to respect Rodgers and give him a shot at competing for the starting job since he was given the go ahead as likely starter after Favre retired, yet on the other hand you would have to respect Favre with his experience and what he has brought to the game. I suppose, if I was in Favre’s shoes, I would of requested a release as well andn passed on the QB cometition. Since Favre had value, the Packers were able to receive something for him singing him to a team to their choosing. Packers were not giving away their former QB. Moving to the Jets was a completely different conference to a team that would likely not even make it to a Superbowl. Favre gave them a great start, but faltered in the later part of the year due to injury.
By than, he retired again and was released. Making him a a free-agent… If Favre was to play again, he could play for which ever team was willing to sign him. That team was Minnesota, and not only did Minnesota basically beg him to play and return, but Favre waited until nearly the last minute to sign. Yes, it would likely upset some Packer fans having a former great sign with a rival team. But, at this point, Favre was free to do as he pleased.
The up-roar was due to the rivalry….. Not playing for some other team. However, I would believe that some fans would be upset with him playing for the Jets and woudl rather see him retired as a Packer.
If I was a GB fan, I woud not blame the front-office for their decision. They took the best interest of the team into consideration and made a better long-term deicsion. Would the Pack have done great in 2008? Possibly… But what if A. Rodgers had moved on? The Packers would be QB-less for many years attempting to find a replacement.
The hind-sight 20/20 move.. GB did good.. Favre made good decisions for himself to attempt to win another Superbowl. He has a love for the game.. Look at how close he got.
But as for Lebron… I think there are several factors that make his move worse.. One, is leaving Cleveland also meant leaving his home-area. And to make a 1 hour TV spectacle about it, is beyond me. I think most would agree the decision was a little of a hard-core punch to the gut to all Cav fans.
But, if I recall, the Cavs would of paid better, but…. What was the difference between the two offers?? (Money-wise..)?
I was all for LeBron and him leaving until he did the one hour special…that turned me and showed me a really ugly side of him. I don’t respect him now. I liked your post though Deek…I think we’d get along well! :-)
I like to think realistically...
And, the front-office took the long-term future out look approach. Brett Favre just wanted to keep playing football. I think the up-roar from the fans of GB was that some fans have a strong support for Favre, while some are just strong supporters of GB. I think some of the people realize that Favre just wanted to keep playing, just hate seeing it to a rival. The up-roar of him signing with the Vikes was bigger than when he went to the Jets.
It wasn’t until the Vikings signing we saw Youtube videos of Jersey burnings, Purple car smashing(s), and so forth. But by than, he was a former Jet.
As long as GB has Rodgers, he will be a Favre 2.0, given he doesn’t get injured.
But, if I wanted a QB who knows the WCO and have the win-it-all mentality for this year, I would take Favre over Rodgers no doubt. I think both MN and GB came out ahead…
It feels kind of lame...
… yet entirely appropriate to just say “ditto”.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 12, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I am so sick of Packer fans...
Who continue to basically say the fiasco was Favre’s doing and no one else. I am so sick of Packer fans who think they can come on here and use their blinded rationale and put a guy who at the very least helped put Green Bay on the map into the same category of a LeBron James.. I am so sick and tired of listening to Packer fans and other football fans who keep saying Favre held the team hostage with his indecisiveness. You come on here and bash a man who doesn’t get into trouble, doesn’t rape women, doesn’t fight dogs, doesn’t cheat on his wife , plays to have fun, plays every game even when he is hurting and you want to put him in the same category as James? And why is money even brought into the equation? Christ, look at what Peyton and Brady is going to be paid. Look at what RIvers, Eli Manning and others are getting paid. Favre is a bargain for a player who has played every game for almost 20 years. I am just so sick of seeing Packer fans who rooted for this man and probably celebrated their arses off when GB won the SuperBowl bash a man all because he can’t decide fast enough for you. And when he does make a decision, then realizes it was the wrong decision, changes his mind and wants to play again. I can guarantee there is not one person here who made a decision and then stuck with it. The fiasco was a product of 2 entities not agreeing on one thing. Thats it. You want to hate him, fine. But don’t bring this garbage that you know everything and what you hear is what really happened. Don’t come on here put the man down because you are a Packer fan who was supposedly spurrned by Favre. I was a Packer fan and I know just as much as you do. You have a right to have an opinion. But don’t spew garbage that can’t be proven other than “this is what this person said or what that person said” or a conclusion that you have come to. We will never know the complete story behind this all. And I really don’t care. I have moved on and I am sure plenty of others have moved on. Why can’t you? You also say TT and McCarthy didn’t owe Favre anything? I say Favre didn’t owe them anything either. The Packers will be fine. The Vikings will be fine. Favre will be fine. Rodgers will be fine. The world will continue. I have given up blaming the other side because quite frankly, what does that do? I mean what does my opinion really matter. Even if I had all the evidence, there would still be sides to pick and honestly, I have more important things to worry about. So from a former Packer fan to the current Packer fans. GET OVER IT. Oh, and drop the whole “he went to the division rival” BS. Favre wasn’t good enough to get his starting job back, why worry about where he goes? Sharper and Longwell didn’t get half of the backlash Favre got. I wonder why……..
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Jul 12, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
hmm…well if we are being honest, Favre cheated on Deanna quite a bit in his early days. He was also addicted to perscription drugs and was a raging alcoholic early in his career with GB. Lets take the halo off the head for now. Now James doesn’t get into trouble, doesn’t rape women, doesn’t fight dogs, doesn’t cheat on his wife , plays to have fun, plays every game even when he is hurting yet you want to put him in Favre’s category? haha I don’t see why James is suddenly being put in a category with someone like Vick or Haynesworth or something. LeBron put Cleveland BACK on the map just like Favre did for the Packers. Mind you…this post was created by a Viking fan on a Viking blog…not sure why the attacks on the Packer fans for something that was started by a Viking fan.
You are right…Favre didn’t owe them anything and they didn’t owe Favre anything. Favre expected something though…he expected to get his job back when he changed his mind. That was where packer fans took issue. But you are right, we shouldn’t expect from him and he shouldn’t from us. He was paid VERY well for what he brought to the franchise. The team was rewarded very well for its money. It was a great relationship.
Longwell and Sharper didn’t get the flack Favre did because they went about things differently AND they were part of a process of shedding salary cap. The packers couldn’t afford to bring them back because of a poorly managed salary cap. Most packer fans have soured on both of them but not with the venom of Favre cause it wasn’t a bitter divorce like it was with Favre. Favre clearly hates TT and wasn’t afraid to talk about it. He was his own worst enemy at times cause he talked too much to the media.
Favre was a train wreck through most of the 90s (and 80s I suppose)
But .. is it really called “cheating” on Deanna when you’re not married, and don’t even actually have an agreement to be monogamous? Rhetorical question.
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The thing that amuses me … is that when Favre was a mess personally, and clearly was blowing off his coaches, falling asleep in meetings, compromising his level of play with how he led his life off the field, etc., most Packer fans loved him. Probably because things were on the upswing on the field & he won them a championship.
But once he settled down, got married & went monogamous, stopped drinking and drugs, started coming in on off days to study film, started actually caring enough about how well the team did that it became the source of public spats with his GM about the lack of pursuit of key free agents by the team, started travelling with his family parish priest in his entourage for crissakes … that’s when he started to transform into this horrible guy in the eyes of many of the same Packer fans that worshipped him in the 80s. Probably because things were not on the upswing on the field & he was not winning any more championships.
Oh yeah and in the offseason frequently wondered if he still had it in him to try to win a championship. Even though he never put it all out there once he got on the field to do it.
As a guy who actually didn’t think much of him personally in the 80s — just enjoyed watching him play — but then came to gradually admire him for how he got control of his personal life and turned it around, how he grew up and became a sober, dedicated adult & loving husband and father — like Shakespeare’s prince Hal — I sometimes just sit back and marvel at the many legions of fans for whom Favre walked on water the first decade or so of his career, then suddenly became this reprehensible creature the second. Even though, in how he conducts his personal life, most dispassionate observers would say that what he deserves as a reputation is the exact opposite.
I hear your point.
Though he had his life together for much of his time in GB. It’s not like he just turned it around in 2007 or something. The sports world was a little different in the early 90s…the pros could be bad and get away with it a little more in those days. Now if a high profile guy leaves his house he has people following him wherever he goes. Some of Favre’s wrecklessness wasn’t known by the casual sports fan for years later when he had his stint in rehab. So I think some of that loyalty was due to a lack of knowledge about what was really going on. I was in high school and I didn’t know about a lot of it until later.
Anyway, I didn’t want to get into Favre bashing cause that wasn’t the point and I am WAY over that. The point was that Sean was making it sound like LeBron was some animal abuser or felon or something. I’ve been as anti-LeBron since “The Decision” as anyone but I am not going to pretend he is something he isn’t. He’s an egotistical jerk but that is about it. He’s a good person overall and one helluva basketball player. I just pointed out that stuff to make sure we knew the correct backgrounds on both these guys.
Some of Favre’s wrecklessness wasn’t known by the casual sports fan for years later when he had his stint in rehab. So I think some of that loyalty was due to a lack of knowledge about what was really going on
Favre’s addiction became public & he went to rehab in 1996. Less than four years into his life in Green Bay. Before he ever even went to the Superbowls.
I’m a little older,and I remember things differently. There were still a lot of people who were down on Favre his first couple years in Green Bay, because he threw so darn many picks and Holmgren could not control him. It was probably a manifestation of his out of control nature off the field. ironically, it went down exactly the opposite of what you are saying now: Once his addiction became public & he went to rehab, and got to the Superbowls, that is when his popularity peaked in WIsconsin, it didn’t drop. Precisely in the first two years after the news about his drug use and rehab came out & was fresh.
you basically said the same thing I said.
Read my quote that you highlighted again. Not sure what you were reading there…
You said people liked him in the 90s partly because they didn’t know about his “wrecklessness” until “years later” and after he went in to rehab. I pointed out that he actually went into rehab after being in Green Bay less than four years, and that he was actually MORE popular AFTER he’d been to rehab than he was before that came out.
I fail to see how we are saying the same thing.
The sports world was a little different in the early 90s…the pros could be bad and get away with it a little more in those days. Now if a high profile guy leaves his house he has people following him wherever he goes. Some of Favre’s wrecklessness wasn’t known by the casual sports fan for years later when he had his stint in rehab.
I was talking about the early nineties which would be the period of time before rehab. I think if people had known about his recklessness it might have soured people on him even more earlier on when he was also extra reckless on the field before Holmgren reigned him in. I never talked about if he was more or less popular after rehab…just that many were blindly loyal to him because they didn’t know about his struggles until his big announcement about going to rehab.
Anyway, we were saying the same thing…so lets not mash over it longer than we need to.
Favre in Mid-'90s
It’s neither here nor there…but talk to people who were regulars on State Street in Madison circa 1995. You’ll hear some AWESOME Favre-Chmura stories.
I hung out in Madison on occasion in those days, but never ran in to Favre or Chmura, so I have no first-hand accounts of their carousing. I didn’t hear about anything criminal or too scandalous (that goes for Chmura too), but they weren’t choir boys either.
by Midnight Rambler on Jul 16, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
if I made LeBron seem like a thug, that wasn't my intention
what I am trying to get at is comparing the two cases is like apples and oranges. With Favre, most of the gripes are for the back forth decisions. He did decide to comeback to Green Bay. (The rest is, and I have said, a he said they said story) LeBron decided to announce during a planned, made for TV special that rocked the state of Ohio. See the difference? Packer fans are only ticked because he went to the Vikings after being dealt to the Jets. Yes, he was not a perfect angel but that is why most people like Favre and respect him. Because he was a wild child and then cleaned up his act. An act that would not be any different than most people his age at the time might I add. Favre is about as human as you will find as an NFL player. If people are only going to hate him because he can’t make a decision faster than you or changes his mind more than you, then it seems like a “you” issue. I am sure LeBron is a good person. Won’t deny that here. But I was only trying to state that “The Decision” was on a whole other scale than Favre going back and forth. The Packers had the QB of the future. The Packers were ready to move on. The fans knew that Favre was going to be gone soon. We all knew that. But the fact is Favre did try to come back and even if it was to A) Force his way back onto the team or B) to force a trade, the fact remains he tried to come back.
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Jul 13, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
and I did just look back at my post and can see where I may have
put LeBron in the same neighborhood as Vick. Just as a side note, I do like James as I typically blow my salary cap budget on him in fantasy basketball because he is a decent guy who is just around the wrong people. (And I ust can’t stand Kobe)
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Jul 13, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Longwell didn't get the backlash because he's a PK.
So, sorry Ryan, but who cares?
Sharper didn’t get the backlash because he was an ass who made bad decisions that padded his stats and not all that popular by the time he left.
Also, just as an aside, neither Sharper or Longwell “retired” and then came back. These are players the Packers actually did let go or sever ties with on their own. There is no room for interpretation, and thus little reason to blame them when they signed with the best team they could.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 12, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
but they went to the division rivals.
And why is Favre blamed for going to the Vikings? He was traded to the Jets thus severing ties with the Packers. He was going where he had the best chance to win a title and to an offense that he knew like the back of his hand.
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Jul 13, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he retired first. Neither Longwell or Sharper did that.
Plust, he’s Favre, and fair or not, that matters to some people. They never gave themselves to the support of Sharper or Longwell the way they did with Favre, and right or not, that makes his arrival in Minnesota way harder to accept for some. I know you don’t agree. You don’t have to. But I don’t believe you don’t see the difference. You may not agree with those that find the difference significant, but I don’t believe you don’t see the factual disparity between their various circumstances.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 13, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, with Favre its almost like a romantic breakup for some. For them Longwell was just the friend you saw and hung out with whenever the group got together (a game was played). One of the group. When he “dissed them” (as they see it — forget that Longwell bcame a Viking only after Green Bay decided he they didn’t want to match the offer when he was on FA market), it was still just one of the regulars not showing up any more. They put him down, shun him, but don’t hate him really.
But Favre? Favre was like their girlfriend. They were in love with him, invested part of their own self image in being with him. When he said he just didn’t want to go out with them anymore — but then it turned out later, it was not just gong out with them he wanted out of, he found someone new — some of these guys went into full-fledged “if I can’t have you, no man (team) can have you” stalker mode. We started getting all the weird crap like the “i’ll never forget you brent” shirts (akin to the “i never loved you anyway”), the mock funerals, the jersey burnings, etc. The extra security detail that Favre got when he went to Lambeau was equivalent to a restraining order. Some of these “ex boyfriends” are pretty intense.
Nice analogies...
And it makes a lot of sense..
Longwell/Sharper were both players who played for GB… We never really seen much hate for them for coming to MN.
I don’t hate Chester Taylor for going to Chicago.
Does anyone here hate C.T. for going to Chicago?
I think in comparisson…. A good way for us Vikings to view the Favre-scenario is if AP were to go to another team within our division. Lets say AP went to the Packers, would we all hate him than?
Probably depends on the manner of his departure.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well AP would have to be around for a bit longer so you really feel like he’s YOURS. Its tough to compare with a RB cause they have such a short lifecycle in the league. But imagine if he was your guy for 10 years…the face of your franchise. STill playing at a high level. Then he retires after carrying you to the NFC Championship. You have Gerhardt waiting behind him who has shown nice flashes and would be a FA soon. Gerhardt finally gets his chance and you think he has a chance of being the next great MN RB. Then Peterson comes back and wants his job. :-)
But in all seriousness…I don’t hate Kampman for leaving…heck I am cheering for him. I didn’t like seeing Sharper or Longwell going to the Vikes and I certainly am not cheering for them but I didn’t have the same anger toward them. It was really all about the circumstance and the level of devotion we all had to Favre…he WAS the franchise (for the 90s and 00s).
While I'd probably use some less demeaning analogies...
… there is some of the truth in your description.
And now I’m suspending myself from DN for a while. You guys are gracious hosts, but I’ve done entirely too much talking about Favre here lately, regardless of my intent in coming here, and it’s time for that to stop.
Later guys.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 14, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW, the idea of Favre as an ex-girlfriend is not my own, I got the idea from a fanpost at Acme last year. before the first game of the series You guys were debating whether “Favreageddon” was more like being dumped/cheated on by a girlfriend, or being a kid feeling like he had to take sides in an ugly divorce between parents. I think the context of the fanpost was someone saying “I thought getting the chance to beat favre was gonna be fun, so why am I dreading this game?”
I was actually only a silent observer of that discussion, it was all you guys coming up with that analogy.
“Who screwed over their former fan base more?”
Isn’t that kind of a “how often to do you beat your wife?” question? It implies negativity no matter what, its a given in how the question is phrased that both guys screwed their fans, the only distinction the poll is asking you to make is which dude was the bigger a-hole.
I can’t even vote in this poll, given how the question is worded.
Lebron Or Brett
Isn’t It Obvious Brett Done His Fans Wrong However People In Cleveland Should Not Be Getting Their Undies In A Bunch They Cannot Do Anything About It Lebron Left Enough Said
by Super Vikings Bro on Jul 15, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions

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