Reviewing Mankato, 2010
Although the first pre-season game isn't until Saturday, the final Mankato training camp practice for the Minnesota Vikings was today. With that, let's look at what we learned...or didn't learn...while the Vikings were in southern Minnesota.
Camp opened with a lot of high expectations. There were no starting jobs up for grabs, the overwhelming expectation was that Brett Favre would show up sometime after the second pre-season game, every year there's a guy that comes out of nowhere to push for a roster spot, and everyone wanted to see how the new rookies would do.
Well, let's start with the last one first, the rookies. This was, in many respects, the least talked about rookie class in recent memory, at least in my opinion. Maybe because it was due to the Vikings not having a first round pick due to a trade with Detroit, maybe it was because there were no glaring needs that needed to be addressed with the draft, maybe it was because the Vikings drafted so low to begin with that the players available were not as well known to most football fans. Except Mark SP18, who's draft knowledge amazes me. His hypothetical trades make me cringe sometimes, but hat's off to his draft knowledge. And keep proposing the trades; they'rea lot of fun to debate. There were three draft picks that I thought could make an impact in 2010--Toby Gerhart, Chris Cook, and Chris DeGeare.
Gerhart was the presumed #2 running back heading to Mankato, only no one told that to Albert Young. Young was officially listed as the primary backup to Adrian Peterson, and has done nothing to lose his grip on the job. Or you could say that Gerhart has done nothing to take it away. With pre-season games starting, Gerhart will get every opportunity, but if Young keeps producing, he'll keep his job, and it will be well deserved. As an aside, there's no significant movement in terms of production, I just can't see Darius Reynaud or Ian Johnson making the final roster.
Chris DeGeare made a name for himself early, as he subbed in with the #1 offensive line and accorded himself well. he also handled Kevin Williams in one on one drills after practice, which is impressive. I was able to watch those drills a few years back, and Kevin Williams kicked everyone's ass except Steve Hutchinson during individual drills. DeGeare has continued to play well, and although I don't see him winning a starting job, I do see himself seeing a lot of the field in 2010.
For me, the most surprising name to keep popping up was Chris Cook. Looking back, that was kind of dumb on my part, seeing as how the Vikings have depth issues at CB due to injury, and Cook was the Vikings top draft pick. Cook has played very well, and he is pushing for a starting job. Right now, the official depth chart is Antoine Winfield and Asher Allen, but Cook has been making a lot of plays, and forcing people to take notice.
The longshot guy that keeps moving up on the outside is WR Ray Small. He's in the mix for a punt returner, keeps making plays at WR, and he has the natural talent to make the team. He was a complete pain in the ass at Ohio State, and was suspended for violating team rules approximately 285 times in four years, but he has talent. If he has moved past his issues that got him into trouble at Ohio State, Small can have a good career in the NFL. Now I'm not saying he's going to make the team, he's currently listed way down on the depth chart. But pre-season games will make the difference, and Small will get an opportunity.
Obligatory Favre Blurb...Turn away if you want: Fave visited Dr. James Andrews in Biloxi Pensacola today, yet...and stop me if you've heard this before...no decision has been made on a when or if (wink wink) Favre will return. I love watching the guy play, but I don't want to see him permanently injured just to give me an opprtunity to watch the Vikings win the Super Bowl with my rapidly aging father. Wait, YES I DO!! PLAY, DAMN YOU!! PLAAAAAAYYYY!!!! Okay, not if you can get seriously hurt. But this team is a lot better with him, and this season will be a lot more fun.
So, as the Vikings leave Mankato and prepare for their first pre-season game in the City of Ted St. Louis, the Vikings are more unsettled than I would like. On the downside, most of the skill players on offense have missed more practive than they have participated in, Percy Harvin's migraines have become a significant issue, and there's a decent chance Favre might not comeback, which would require a significent downshift in expectations on what a lot of us think is a Super Bowl team. On the upside, the defense looks dialed in and ready to kick some serious ass, even though the offensive skill guys have missed a lot of time, it's still very early and there is plenty of time to get on the same page, and other than Sidney Rice, the Vikings are pretty healthy, all things considered.
We'll have a game preview up sometime tomorrow, with a game thread sometime before Saturday's tilt with the Rams.
Are you ready for some football?
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Reynaud
Here’s a good take I heard on KFAN.
Reynaud is probably going to make the team. He will return punts and fill in for Harvin when necessary on special teams and out of the backfield. Not sure if he would be the backup wildcat quarterback though.
Joe Webb would seem to be the wildcat guy
unless he’s the #3 emergency QB every week.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
could be
An active roster spot for him might be justified if he can play WR. I bet he is inactive most of the time though.
by medicineball on Aug 13, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
either way
I hope this guy doesn’t get put on the PS
That would be a mistake…..
I don't think he'd make it through waivers
Somebody would claim him and stash him on their practice squad, just like Tyler Thigpen a couple years back. I don’t know that he’s good enough to be an NFL QB, but he’s athletic enough that I’m sure he could contribute in some way.
And if an idiot like me thinks that, I’m sure there are other NFL teams that think that as well.
I’d be pissed if the Vikings tried that again, and got punked again.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
I’mm 99% sure a team can’t claim someone and keep them on thier practice squad. If you claim them on wiavers you MUST put them on the 53-man roster. At least the last couple years in the CBA not as positive any more.
It all depends on when
To get on the PS you have to cut the guy and then wait to see if he’s taken. After that teams can make offers to the PS and the guy can choose which team he wants to be on.
An example from the Packers last year. Brian Brohm was cut. He wasn’t good enough to make the 53. He got multiple offers to join practice squads though, and he decided to join Green Bay’s because he knew the system and figured he would have the best chance to play and make a name for himself in the long run. This plan was derailed during the season when he got an offer for a contract from the Bills. Once the season started he was part of the 53 and even got a chance to start.
I think a situation like this is what Ted was getting at, a guy being offered a chance on a different team’s PS before the years begins.
by PackApologist on Aug 13, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, you're right
My bad on that. I still think someone will claim him, though.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
He won't, don't even worry about that
Childress learned his lesson with Thigpen.
I know you know but
Joe Webb’s 42inch vertical, 4.4 speed and 10&3/4inch hands somehow spell Wildcat.
Favre, even your agent has had enough. The drunken grillmaster, Buzz Cook, is getting too old for this.
Cook will be a stud..............................
right now he will act very nicely as a stop gap.
I was at camp tuesday……………..Cook is a tall son of a gun!
I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
HELL YES!...
I’m ready for some football!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 12, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions
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Who else CANT wait until Sundays if only for the AMAZING Game Threads? :D
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Aug 12, 2010 11:52 PM CDT reply actions
Love the game threads............
I looked forward to them all last season. It was almost as good as going to the bar with your buddies……. and no DUI’s..
bring on the season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ready teddy...
..it’s a testament to the draw of the sport to true fans… here i am , anxiously awaiting the first preseason game, where first stringers will likely barely even play.. yet I am WAY more excited about this than pennant race baseball games! (and I am a baseball fan as well)
"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
Agree BranFavreton...
But im also a Cubs fan. So I never really had a reason to watch baseball. Skol Vikings!!!!! Gonna Break the Damn Door Down this year!!!
SKOL VIKINGS 2010!!
I'm getting a little worried about Percy missing so much time.
Not sure what exactly this five day letter the team sent him means, but I don’t think it’s good.
It means they get an extra roster spot
for him now
Let the games begin!
I’m so looking forward to the Vikings facing off with the Rams on Saturday night. Can’t wait to see what all the guys competing to make the roster will look like on the field. I agree that the chances of Ian Johnson making the roster or even the practice squad again are slim, but I like his spirit and the way he runs angry. And getting to see Chris Cook will be nice to.
As for concern over Percy Harvin and his migraines, I don’t think you can separate the death of his grandmother (she raised him, right?) from his current bout of migraines. I’m not sure that his incapacitation after the death of a close relative and all the emotional turmoil that can bring is indicative of how he will do with the migraines the rest of the season. Only time will really tell.
The English language was carefully, carefully cobbled together by three blind dudes and a German dictionary.
- Dave Kellett
The way it sounds is if he isn't back with the team in 5 days he'll be out the season?
I could be way off here…
No, the VIkings have the otion to deactivate him for the year
But they don’t have to. It’s nothing more than a procedural matter, from what I understand.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
please monitor closely
I was unaware how far this situation got…..if Percy is gone will Favre be gone too? He is a one of Favre’s BIGGEST weapons!!
by greenbay packers backer on Aug 14, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
No one is speaking about Everson Griffen . And Guion .
They have him on the Right side . I see Robison floating all over the line . Robison had a nice piece on his chat night about EG’s speed . He claims he needs a lot of work with his hands . But sees this guy excellerating on the line .
They claim the lightbulb has been turned on and he is attacking the QB on a regular basis . He added 10lbs. of muscle . He has 10 more to go to fill out to what they believe he can carry . I see J. Kennedy’s replacement if Jimmy flinches …

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