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With the first pre-season game in the book, I thought I’d roll out an idea I’ve been working on.  If it works, great, I’ll keep doing it.  If not, I’ll junk it (junk it…junk bonds…stock market—see what I did there?) and come up with something else.  I want to do a weekly ‘Stock Market Report’ of the team, starting out with blue chip stocks, sound investments, and junk bonds.  Then I’ll do a Buy/Sell category, based on my perception of who’s doing well…and who isn’t.  There’s an open debate as to who might be a blue chip stock, and who might be a junk bond, and it can change from week to week, and that’s one of the reasons I’m doing this.  Let me know what you think, and we’ll go from there.

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BLUE CHIP STOCKS:

Defensive Line.  Brian Robison and Jimmy Kennedy could start on 8 or 9 other teams in the NFL.  The Vikings pressure, regardless of who was applying it, was relentless.  Oh, and the   Welcome to the NFL, Sam Bradford. 

Sage Rosenfels.  300 yards passing is 300 yards passing, especially when you’ve been jacked around like Rosenfels has.  He made some very good throws, and yeah, although it was pre-season, it was a bit reassuring to see him do well after a shaky opening to training camp.  He had some zip on his short and intermediate throws, and nice touch on his two deep TD passes.

SOUND INVESTMENTS: 

Toby Gerhart, RB.  Not a great debut, but did okay.  His first NFL action was highlighted by a nice 20+ yard run in the second quarter.  I haven’t re-watched the game (yes, I do that for you people…I accept PayPal), but nothing jumped out at me in a negative way regarding Gerhart.  The line didn’t do him or any of the backs any favors, but he seemed to be okay in pass protection.

Secondary.  I thought it was an overall good performance.  No big plays given up, aggressive coverage, for the most part, and everyone came out healthy.  Chris Cook made a couple of good plays, I thought, and like Gerhart didn’t do anything that jumped out in a negative way.

Joe Webb, QB.  Very promising display from the rookie.  He’s still young, and a couple times he reverted to relying on his natural ability, but I thought he looked calm and poised in the pocket, and had a nice TD drive in the fourth quarter. 

JUNK BONDS. 

Rhys Lloyd, K.  Are the Vikings really going to waste a roster spot with two kickers?  Lloyd didn’t do anything terrible in his brief appearance, but he wasn’t any better than Ryan Longwell, either.  Maybe once he gets in a dome he’ll get…more…distance…never mind.

Ian Johnson, RB.  Although Albert Young had the worst stat line, he did it in the position of the #2 RB.  I feel Johnson’s days are numbered, as 6 yards on 4 carries just won’t get you moved up on the depth chart.  Johnson was a feel good story at Boise State, but I think his time as a Viking will be coming to a close.   

Offensive Line.  The offensive line, as a unit, was as bad as the defensive line was good.  Other than three runs I can think of off the top of my head, the backs were met on the wrong side of the line of scrimmage all night.  The pass protection, for the most part, was good, but there were no running lanes all night.  And when a running back did get some daylight, there was either a holding or false start penalty called.   

BUY/SELL

Buy:  Darius Reynaud, RB.  I thought he was the most impressive back of the evening, and looked faster than either Albert Young or Toby Gerhart.  He had a couple nice blitz pickups as well as a couple of special teams plays, and went a long way to make up ground between him, Young, and Gerhart.  His stat line wasn’t that impressive, but he had two very good runs that were called back on penalty.

Buy:  Logan Payne, WR.  If the Vikings carry five receivers, I agree with Chris’ assessment from the game wrap that 1-4 are pretty much set.  Lewis is the ‘savvy vet guy’ that can play any of the receiver positions for a short term injury substitute, so I can see why Mayock thinks he’s a lock.  But if they go with five, it’s between Jaymar Johnson, Logan Payne, and Ray Small.  Of those three, I thought Payne had the best night.  Jaymar Johnson might have the inside track due to his use on special teams, but Payne seems to be making a move on the outside.

Buy:  Garrett Mills, TE.  I thought Mickey Shuler might make a push for a roster spot, but Mills played well.  He looked way out of position on the Danny Amendola punt return, but had a nice TD reception, and over 200 yards receiving.  The Rams announcers insisted it was blown coverage, which it might have been, but if your secondary can’t track down Garrett Mills, it’s going to be a long season, fellas.

Sell:  Ray Small, WR.  I was intrigued by Small when the Vikings signed him, but I don’t think he’ll make it.  He didn’t do anything to lose a job, but he didn’t do anything to take a spot away from someone, either.  And that’s what he has to do.  It was an okay night, but okay won’t cut it for a guy that’s currently on the outside looking in.

Sell:  Albert Young, RB.  Young came into the game as the #2 RB on the depth chart, and he didn’t do himself any favors.  He looked very slow, and although the line was terrible, it was equally terrible for everybody, and Gerhart and Reynaud were still able to make something happen.  Logic tells me that if the trend lines keep going in their current direction, at some point Gerhart and/or Reynaud will overtake Albert Young.

So, those are your stock tips for the week.  Check back in next week for more tips.  Unless, of course, Chris thinks this is stupid, and he fires me, which is probably long overdue.   

 

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hmmm garret mills had over 200 yards?

I got what you meant though, But would the vikes be inclined to keep 4 tight ends (jeff dougan te/fb)? Aren’t going to get rid of shank or jimmy. And dougan is valuable because he can play both positions. Then again this was only the first game, we have 3 more to assess the rest of the backups and decide the value of them. Side note: i see that Mr #3 Troy williamson got off to a fast start again this year, just like last pre season. It seems to me like he is a perennial pre seasoner.

by muffin man on Aug 16, 2010 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Problem as Mayock stated

is that Mills isn’t a good blocker. We can’t get rid of Dugan or K-Sauce if we don’t have someone up there who can throw a block.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 17, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Mills will get replaced with either Shuler or D'Imperio

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 17, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

my guess is that D'Imperio

makes the team in place of either Mills or Tahi as he can play FB, catch the ball on dumpoffs, has played linebackers and should be a solid special teams player. If he can exhibit all those, he is too valuable to lose.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 17, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

pluses and minuses

G. Mills is the better athlete and has time in the system . But why is it he can never stay healthy ? Why is it he is healthy every year at this time . Then next week he is back on IR again ?

by gothicpurple on Aug 17, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The game is on replay tonite.

NFL Network. 8pm on the West Coast.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 16, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Cool Idea.

Gamble on Rhys Lloyd.
I was expecting much more than I saw but who knows, Chilly may have put the brakes on any deep kicks for the P-season. He might want to see how the kick coverage looks, and you can’t do that when you kick it deep.
I’m sure we could figure out his range with a little research, but I’m too lazy. :)

Sell G. Mills….Depending on the Rhys Lloyd decision.
He’s fast and looked good the other night, but he’s injury prone and isn’t much of a blocking TE that we need. It sucks to let guys go, but we don’t have room this year.

Buy Webb. If Favre comes back, and we can’t work a trade with Rosenfels or Jackson, I would like to see Webb moved to WR. I only saw a glimpse of what he can do, and he looked like he could give some of the faster DB’s in the league a lot of trouble. He’s big, quick, he has big hands and he jump real high.

by chaosg on Aug 16, 2010 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

yup, want to see some more Joe Webb

Webb is raw and the Vikings coaching staff will have to work with him on his footwork, but how great would it be for him to have him learn from Brett Favre—provided Favre returns. For as raw as he was, and despite him having to run for his life a couple times, there are moments when you can’t help thinking he could be good.

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by Skol Girl on Aug 16, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Makes sense

There are literally players fighting for their jobs on special teams right now. Their livelihood and dreams are on the line and the coaches need to give them a fair shot to show what they can do. Having a kicker, who you specifically brought in to kick touchbacks (and as such, is something you KNOW he can do), kick touchbacks in the preseason accomplishes exactly nothing.

The guy has been near the top of the league in touchbacks each of the last 2 years. We know what he can do. Keep it in play and get some bubble players some tape. The Vikings showed last year that special teams is a priority for this team when it comes to roster decisions.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 17, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ding!

(fries are done)

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 17, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got ketchup?

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 19, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cobra pretty much summed it up for me.

There’s only room for a couple guys this year, and odd’s are they’ll be playing ST’s.
Chilly’s gotta see what they can do. Kicking deep accomplishes nothing….IMO.

by chaosg on Aug 17, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha trust me, your stories are farther off then this :).

by packallday555 on Aug 17, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a couple thoughts

I really like the segment it is a different approach to looking at the team. Because my household junk hasn’t arrived from AZ yet and I’m sitting on the floor, all of the market advice from what I could tell seem pretty accurate. One area they need to get together is penelties, IMO for every team penelty 200 yard sprint for everyone it worked in high school. PS Did NFL.com make a mistake giving Rhys Lloyd a sack?

by Viking_Monson on Aug 16, 2010 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

whatever it takes

Man, I don’t know if they need to do 200 yard sprints or push-ups (like Sidney Rice was spotted doing on the sideline last year after a dropped pass), but the Vikings have to stop kicking their own collective ass with procedural penalties. And, it has to be demoralizing for a player to have a good play taken away (I’m still cranked about a few touchdowns last year taken away for penalties) because someone else got a holding call.

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by Skol Girl on Aug 16, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we trade

some of our D lineman for future draft choices instead of cutting them? Our wealth at this position is nice. I would hate to “give” another team a starter without getting any compensation. Perhaps a fourth rounder?

Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.

by Odin on Aug 16, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Doubtful it'll happen

Because teams know we have to cut them Orr trade them. Why would you trade a pick if you can just wait till they have to cut them and pick him up there

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Aug 16, 2010 7:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well, if there is a line of teams waiting to pick them up, you offer them to the most desperate team who might not have a chance to get them if there is some sort of bidding war or multiple teams looking at one guy. Take your chances that you might not sign a guy you like by waiting for him to get cut or go and get the guy you think will help out your team the most?

by Josh_D on Aug 16, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, PHMF has a point. The human brain is irrationally wired to think that “free” stuff is better; therefore, the guys you pick up off the waiver wire from some hapless team (“free” in the mind of the masses who bark on the word “free” the way Pavlov made his dog drool for no apparent reason) are much easier to explain for the team than the the guys you “squandered” that draft choice upon can be justifiable to some yelling mob with all the flaming torches, tar, feathers, and nooses awaiting you outside your stadium (if you somehow happen to have a stadium).

by Elgar on Aug 16, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but if an injury happens

like, say, to Eli Manning, a team like, say, the New York Giants might want to make a pre-emptive move to get a veteran back-up to make sure they have veteran depthj, and a fifth round draft pick or later might seem like a good deal.

Depends on your prespective and what’s going on with your roster at any given time.

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by Ted Glover on Aug 16, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

If a team covets a guy, a trade would ensure they get him rather than taking the chance they get him off the waiver wire.

by Runt of the Litter on Aug 17, 2010 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definatly keep Lloyd!

…or at least get someone who can actually have a kickoff go deep! I mean don’t get me wrong, I love Longwell’s ability to hit that 45 yard FG in a game winning situation, but I remember last year being very frustrated with the man when teams would be catching the ball at the 20 and have time to run! Yeah our ST’s had trouble tackling at times, but it was rare to see a touchback, or the opposing team to even start behind the 30 after a kickoff. So yes i think it wise to “waste” a roster spot on Lloyd, because as they say football is a game of inches and he just tacked on 10 yards every kick off

by Carson R on Aug 17, 2010 12:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Think of it this way

If you keep Lloyd and let’s assume that he forces a touchback 50% of the time. This reduces the number of collisions your special teams endures. Kick coverage is the highest injury rate play in the game (off the top of my head it just seems that way).

So maybe if you keep Lloyd then you can get buy with one less special teamer. Or something.

To be honest I don’t think a team should keep two kickers but there can be some sense to it.

by Sand0 on Aug 17, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

also how Griffin got hurt.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 17, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we missed big on Javid Best

Trading with the Lions was silly. I am not impressed with Gerhardt. He has alot of work to do…Maybe next year but not this year…and we are built to win now…..Best looks real..
Our D line is deepest in the League…I think we will get some value from someone….I also think Raynaud is very valuable…as he can save roster spots…..both RB/WR…saves us another player….
Mills is a keeper…..I say Kleinsausser should go…he is old. and always injured….
I also think the vikes really Messed up by not signing FB Richardson, our bigges year wiyh AP was him leading the run…..Look at Jets, They are Killin it with him…..

by PURPLEPUSSYEATER on Aug 17, 2010 12:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Totally agree on Richardson. Our fullback sucks imo but the team and coaches seem to think he’s the shiz.

Reynaud looked great and I’d love to see him as a #3 back that we use a few plays every game as more of a scat back look. Or on third downs. Just give other teams one other thing to have to study and lose sleep over.

Gerhardt I agree doens’t look like the game changing type of runner that Best is. But we already have a 1st and 2nd down runner. We needed a guy who could run goal line, catch swing passes, and most importantly block. Gerhart’s natural abilities seem to really match those needs. His running ability is still suspect but I saw little flashes of a guy that might be tough to bring down at times.

by Sand0 on Aug 17, 2010 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

AD is also a power back

He can run the goal line. Honestly if we were looking for a change of pace type back Best would have fit that mold better.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 17, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best will have concussion problems

just you watch. NFL defense are going to want to send a message to that guy and he already had a very severe concussion in College. Just look at Westbrook. Concussion are killer in the NFL.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 17, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Were we looking for a change of pace back?

Drafting Gerhart tells me no.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
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by NMVike on Aug 17, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

we’re obviously trying to bring back the power-running offense game. Which could work against these smaller, pass-oriented defenses you’ll run into. Problem is, it’s alot easier to stop the run, especially when you have some fumbley RBs, by just loading up the boxes.

by Frost on Aug 17, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

play action really helps that though.

which is why having a WR like Rice who can jump and go get it is such a boon. Even if he isn’t open, the defense has to respect his ability, makes it harder to stack the box.

No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.

by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 17, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Load up the boxes all day

We’ll be throwing all over the place if they try.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 17, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gerhart was the best option

 Best is just carbon copy of Reggie Bush, just minus all the publicity. Gerhart is a proven back, should have won the heisman, rarely fumbles, and is just about guaranteed at least three yards per carry behind our starting line.

by Goken17 on Aug 17, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is just a silly comment. Best is Reggie Bush based on what? And Gerhart is proven how?

by packallday555 on Aug 17, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are the exact same kind of back, the little speedy scat back who isn’t going to necessarily run anyone over or have the strength to pick up the extra yards needed to convert first downs. Same. Exact. Back.

And I think Gerhart’s 1,871 rushing yards, 28 touchdowns, and 172 points scored (All three of which led all RB’s in the nation in ‘09) while playing for Stanford, which isn’t necessarily a powerhouse in the college football world, is proof enough that he is the real deal.

by Goken17 on Aug 18, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe. I guess I disagree. He always looked fine to me running in between the tackles in college.

Those numbers prove that Gerhart was good in college, not that he’ll be good in the NFL.

by packallday555 on Aug 19, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The format of this article

I like the format but I think it needs a couple more bells and whistles. In the stock market it is all about tracking the trends (totally talking out of my ass btw). So it would be cool if you mocked up like a graph as we go along through preseason to show what direction several bubble players of your choosing seem to be trending.

by Sand0 on Aug 17, 2010 6:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Portfolio

A good portfolio of stocks has some Giant blue chip oldies, some mid size producers, and a few young growth stocks. This pretty much sums up the Vikings portfolio of players.

Last year we had 53 stocks in the portfolio.
Three stocks went bankrupt ( Taylor, Paymah, and Hicks), one company announced they might go bankrupt ( Farve), and we are thinking of selling one stock ( Reynaud).

We have to buy three new stocks for growth ( Cook, Gerhart, and DeGeare)
We might buy Lloyd because he pays nice safe dividends.
This simply means that we can’t buy any other replacement stocks unless we sell one of our previous holdings. So if you want to buy Everson Griffen you have to sell a DE/DT like Evans. If you want to buy Webb you have to sell a Sage or hope Farve claims bankruptcy.
We have only one receiver stock to pick ( Reynauds old spot) so it had better be a good growth stock.

Ted I like your stock market theme. But we really do have to talk about making some major changes to the portfolio if we keep any of the guys we brought to camp except for our high draft picks. Can’t say I’ve seen much yet to justify major changes.

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by lifelongvike on Aug 17, 2010 7:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Sell Ted Glover

Don’t you know stocks are the past man? Read Rich Dad Poor Dad! Ammassing wealth is all about buying call girls out of Singapore and importing them into urban growth areas.

Ok I have never read the book, but I figured this is such a good idea it has to be about it.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 17, 2010 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Just curious but did you take your medication today? Most of us are worried about you.

Well actually I was the only one worried but that still counts for a lot.

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Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Aug 17, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

You were on with most views .

id before that Brad may chose the same rotation as last year . That being Sage as the focus in game one . TJ in two . Brett in three . Webb in four . After week one I can see Brad bringing Sage out with the #1’s . Trade value is increasing every week ! The Bear’s lose has exposed a lot of teams that lack depth at the QB position . Did you hear that Collns turned down the Bears . Bulger was a great addition to Baltimore . When will people realize that Tarvaris is a great backup for 2010 . Next year may have a different debate . But for now we are too deep at the position . The real question is . What is a bigger value to the Vikings ? Trade of a backup . Or save the backup for insurance and future considerations ? Too bad we don’t have extra OL .

by gothicpurple on Aug 17, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

colt anderson - sleeper keeper

darius reynaud – keeper
jaymar jahnson – keeper
albert young – keeper
chris degeare – keeper
joe webb – can’t not keep him now
logan payne – not convinced
garret mills – should be on somone’s roster
logan payne – still not convinced
ian johnson – odd man out

too many good d-linemen
not enuf good o-lineman
we need to get more good o-linemen somehow

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Aug 17, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Dump Albert Young

He really didn’t look all that impressive, not to mention speed is the name of the game when it comes to professional football, and by the looks of things, AY has about zero of it. I mean look our options, AP-Toby-Reynaud-Moats-Young…
We didn’t go out of our way to pick up Moats, and we didn’t change Reynaud’s posion for nothing. Young needs to go

LLoyd needs to go as well. I was excited at the original signing of the former Gopher, but like you said, why waste a roster spot on another kicker, and if it comes down to FGs I take Ryan Longwell one million times over and over again before I entertain the idea of taking Lloyd…
And the game WAS played in a dome…The Edward Jones Dome to be exact

Sage will be traded or cut if when number 4 comes back which leaves TJack to be number 2 and Webb to wear his hat backwards and smile on the sideline all season.

No way you ever get rid of North Dakota Jim. He is much much much too valuable as a blocker and sneaky receiver to let go.

by Goken17 on Aug 17, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Rhys is not there for field goals or to compete with Longwell

He is there to put the ball in the back of the endzone. And that is what he will do. And that is why we will keep him.

He will single handedly move opponents average starting field position back about 10 yards from last year.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 17, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Short Sage Rosenfels!

His stock has risen, time to SELL SELL SELL! Besides, I heard the Vikings executives have invested upwards of 16 million in a hostile takeover of Brett Favre’s retirement fund.

by StuckInCA on Aug 17, 2010 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

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