The Final Roster- You Make the Call
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 9:41 AM CDT
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PrintLet's really start looking at what the final roster cuts might be before Sundays game. Its early but I wanted to see how many spots were really open and what I would do if I were the one making the decision. I think there is one thing we can all agree on. Its a really good thing I am not in charge of making that decision. But What would you do.
Lets jump to some facts
The offense of the 2009 Vikings had 12 starters. Here are the starters for Offense:
Farve, Peterson, Berrian, Rice, Harvin, Kliensasser, Shiancoe, Sullivan,Herrera, Hutchinson, Loadholt, and McKinney
The defense had 12 starters last year. Here are the starters for defense:
Allen, Edwards, Williams, Williams, Greenway, EJ Henderson, Leber, Winfield, Griffen, Sapp, M Williams, and Johnson
The Special teams had several players that played in all 16 games last season. Since none of these guys are starters I will assume they are the kind of special team players that have unique talents and are not going to be replaced by late round picks and left over veterans. At least I have not heard of anybody in training camp that is outplaying these players. Here are our special team units. I'm including Rhys LLoyd because I think he could be a valuable addition. However he might be the first player I ditch if he doesn't show improvement from the first pre-season game.
Here are the starters for Special teams:
Longwell, Lloeffler, LLoyd, Kluwe, Abdullah, Brinkley, Farwell, Frampton, Onatula, Sanford
Out of this group I am cutting Onatula for lack of space ( per Grime's reminder)
Second string players. Here are the players that last year played significant game time and earned the spot as an immediate substitute. I would expect them all to return to the roster. Here is your starting second string:
Ryan Cook, Tahi,, Sapp, Greg Lewis, Kennedy, Evans, Asher Allen. I am adding Jaymee Mitchell ( per Grimes reminder)
I have cut Jeff Dugan from this list. I just see younger replacements available now that are just as good.
For those counting I have listed 41 Players. The active roster for every game is 45 players plus an emergency QB.
I have yet to list a 2nd and 3rd running back. I have yet to list the #2 QB. I haven't listed Several players we need to field a team. However there are 53 roster spots so let me fill in a few names we can not do without in my opinion.
Chris Cook, Toby Gerhart, Tavaris Jackson, Sage Rosenfels, Jon Cooper, Chris DeGeare,
Brian Robison, and Leroy Guion,
This leaves four (4) players to make this team.
You have your choice of:
Everson Griffen, Albert Young, Darius Reynaud, Joe Webb, Ian Johnson, , Garret Mills, Mickey Shuler, Lito Sheppard, One or more of the 7 remaining WRs, One or more of the remaining training camp bodies that are striving for a position on the O-Line and D-Line.
Right now I am choosing
Darius Reynaud- RB and back up WR and Special Team Returner
Garret Mills- I like what I have seen although Dugan might be better on special teams
I want to keep the nextt two candidates. Both have the type of special skills you must have to keep building a winning football team
Joe Webb as a WR and Special team player- This he has to prove in the next three pre-season games
Everson Griffen- To much talent to waste.
To do anything different then someone must go and someone must be added. I realize that the injury reserve list allows some temporary replacements but since everyone should be back prior to 6 weeks I'm looking at this as our roster and not considering I/R
Who would you Remove and who would you add?
Is their anyone you are watching in the next couple of games?
If you wish to remove one of my names simply say Remove_______________ and Replace with ______________.
Enjoy!
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Actually you hit it on the head pretty much
I’d put Mickey Shuler onto the Practice squad and see if we can get away with that. I think Griffen might be good, however if he can’t show it in the next couple of preseason game I might stack him on waviers and the PS as well and use Mitchel or the other guy for the team this year.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Good call on Jaymee Mitchell
He played in 4 games last year and I meant to include him in my 2nd string projections. I would
Remove Onatula Replace with Jaymee Mitchell.
Either Mitchell or Everson Griffen are going to have to pick up slack on special teams. Its difficult for those bigger guys to get downfield fast enough.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
They (bigger guys) can be used for kick return
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Yes but are they as effective?
Onatula played in all 16 games last year and he was around the ball all day in the first pre-season special teams play. These are questions that only the coaching staff truly know the answers.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m saying that bigger guys, linemen type, are used on kick return to set up the wedge. so more than likely the backups at those positions, whoever it may be, will be used in those situations on special teams.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Its going to be interesting, no doubt
I know I won’t win anyone’s favor in writing this, but I wouldn’t be opposed to releasing TJack in favor of Webb and go Favre, Sage, Webb this season.
I agree in trying to sneak Shuler to the PS as insurance for Mills.
Dline might keep 10 spots : The Minneapolis Sack Machine, Kennedy, Griffin, Monty, Evans, Robison, Guion.
DB’s might take 10 spots also: Winfield, Tyrell, Williams, Griff, Cook, Lito, Allen, Sapp, Sanford, (Abdullah or Frampton)
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
sorry, next post is a reply to you NMVike
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
You make a good point on Lito Sheppard
You have Removed T-Jack and Replaced with Webb
You have Added Montgomery and Lito Sheppard in Webb’s toss-up roster spot.
You will have to remove removing either Abdulla or Frampton
Which would you choose?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
Of course there is always the possibility of removing Rhys LLoyd
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Final 53
QB- 2 plus third string who technically is inactive. Favre, Sage, Webb
RB-4. three TB and 1 FB. AP, Gerhart, Young, Tahi
WR-6*. Berrian, Rice, Harvin, Lewis, (open), Reynaud*
TE-3. Sauce, Shank, (Mills or Dugan)
OL-8. McKinnie, Hutch, Sully, Herrera, Load, Cook, DeGeare, Cooper
DL-10 Allen, KWil, PWill, RayRay, Robison, Evans, Kennedy, Guion, Griffen, Monty
LB-7* Leber, Chad, EJ, Brink, Farwell, Onotulu, Henderson
DB-10 Griff, Winfield, Tyrell, Madieu, Sapp, Allen, Cook, Lito, Sanford, Frampton or Abdullah
SP 3-Cullen, Long, Kluwe
Thats 51. I think the final 2 spots go either to a WR, LB or OL. Because of the injuries right now I say we will start with 6 WR’s and 7 LB’s. Once EJ, Rice, and Harvin are sorted out, we might try to add an additional O lineman; i.e. the Texans lineman we were interested in earlier this summer.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
What I meant is that I had 51 locks. The other 2 are listed (Erin Henderson and a 6th WR) so it does total 53.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
No thats 53 + a QB.
All QBs count against the 53 man total.
The emergency QB doesn’t count against the 45 man active game day roster.
So now you have one to many, and no long kicker. Who ya gona cut?
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya purposely left out Lloyd
Ya noticed it now about QB. Probably cut down to 6 LBs (Erin) to make room for 3 QBs on final 53
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
question
why keep young when you can use Reynaud instead as the last WR, punt returner and TB? Wouldn’t that make more sense to save roster spots?
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 20, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Young has had a really good camp. better than Gerhart
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Guys I presume to be in trouble for a roster spot are:
Tahi
Reynaud
Cooper
Mills
Dugan
4th QB
Guion
Mitchell
Erin Henderson
Benny Sapp
4th Safety
kickoff specialist
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
make that the 5th safety. I think we keep 4
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Alot of tough cuts!
There is no way we are releasing Webb! I have us trading Sage and or just releasing him depending on the cap hit etc or same goes for Tjunk
I dont see us releasing Onatula, I think he might be better on special teams then Farewell! Frampton and Abdullah are both special teams guru’s also, which makes more tough cuts!
Rhys LLoyd should get sent packing if I had to pick! Longwell is good enough and Rhys didnt kick much better. They did play in a Dome so there shouldnt be much for excuses!
So basically if we trade either Sage-Tjunk and we release Rhys we should have 2 open spots and take your pick…..I think Lito makes the team forsure with Cedrick on IR and I also think Onatula make the team but I have no clue who to pick……it sucks we have a MEAN team and there will be some tough cuts!
by Fantasy Master on Aug 20, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
Good breakdown
I think we’ll trade Sage and keep Webb as 3rd string QB.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cedric Griffin is put on the PUP list for the first 6 weeks opening a spot for Lito.
I think I would also cut Frampton or Abdullah from your list as Chris Cook has looked good on special teams.
With those three moves I’ve got three spots left given the choices you’ve made that I agree with and I’d fill them with Dugan cause he plays a lot of positions, Marko Mitchell because of his size and our WR injuries, and finally Albert Young because he seems to be the best RB in pass protection.
When Griffin returns from the PUP list I’d cut either Albert Young or the low man on the WR depth chart depending upon the health of our roster.
by CanadianViking on Aug 20, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
Would you really cut Sage and have a team with only two QB's?
Remember TJ when he does play is prone to injury. Favre isn’t but he’s also 213 years old. I like Webb as much as the next guy (well a little less as a QB probably) but I really don’t want to see him chuck a ball in the first quarter of any game.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Thats why I'd keep Sage and cut Tjack
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I'm kind of with you on that one.
But Sage really didn’t impress me with his preseason debut. No wonder he’s throwing so many ints in practice his tosses are ducks!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
But at least we know what we are getting with Sage
TJack’s injury history scares me as much as his jump passes
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I know you don't like TJ and I do but
Sage was underthrowing wide open guys in that pre-season game. If not for blown coverages or the Rams crappy 3rd string defense there could easily have been three picks instead of three TDs in that game. Basically the way you feel about TJ is the same way I feel about Sage, Nervous : )
by CanadianViking on Aug 20, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I respect that and actually
After last nights game I have to rethink TJ a bit. He did an excellent job. However, he has led me down this path before in preseason… :p
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
he has strengths and obvious weaknesses.
if bart starve goes down, and t-jack is our guy, then the o-coordinator needs to play to his strengths and get more creative with his play calling…oh yea, and pound the stinking running game (except that starting o-line looked awfully weak last nite).
they should use him in designed roll-outs more.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I wouldn't cut Sage.
I would try to trade him for a low-round pick or package him with one of our d-lineman for a solid backup o-lineman.
by CanadianViking on Aug 20, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That is something that boggles my mind.
How are we not getting any O line help? I mean it has to be apparent to just about everyone that our O line is in seriousl trouble. Watching the Gang bang on Favre the first passing play he had was brutal. And I don’t know if the running backs can fit in holes that wouldn’t let a tennis ball through.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
llv reminds us: The offense of the 2009 Vikings had 12 starters.
at the worst possible moment !!!
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
You are so bad.
Its just the way the website list it. HERE
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
good link.
i just sorted the roster ‘by position’ and can count how many at each position were on the roster last year for comparison.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Yes, I use that site a lot. Great for sorting rosters on every team
and their draft history by team or position is easy to use.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 21, 2010 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Dugan?
He’s been aroudn for 7 years, and keeps hanging around. He can be a decent blocking TE, special teamer and even a FB. I doubt he gets cut, regardless of Schuler or D’imperio
Good point
Do we keep 4 TE’s? Or cut Tahi and use Dugan as the FB? Or Dugan over Mills at TE?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I would love to cut Tahi and
make Dugan or Kleinsasser are starting FB.
by CanadianViking on Aug 20, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm, Lets see. I think I will change the position of the players that got me one play from the superbowl.
Maybe, just maybe, sometimes we should not promote people into a position of incompetence.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 21, 2010 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if I got your reply or not.
Do you think it’s a bad idea to try and replace Twelfth-man-Tahi with one of two blocking TEs that have both played FB for us and have better pass-catching skills than Tahi? I understand that position changes don’t always work but both of these TEs have played the position before and considering our depth and the limited PT our starting FB gets this is an area where roster flexibility could be a good thing.
Say Dugan plays more FB this year and we cut Tahi we create room for one more player on the roster. That could allow us to keep one of Reynaud, Webb, Mills, Frampton, Abdullah, Erin Henderson, Onatulo, and anybody else you think might be on the roster bubble.
by CanadianViking on Aug 21, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that Tahi is a fullback and the others are TE with flexibility.
Tahi has earned the job for a reason. He outperforms the others. They drafted D’Inperio to see if he is that extra special Fullback. If he is and has more talent than Tahi then they will change. But they wouldn’t have brought Tahi back if Dugan or Mills were equally as good as Tahi. I know that Tahi looks like a one yd cloud of dust kinda player. But he is one hell of a blocker. I don’t see the Vikes changing anything unless a dramatic improvement can come about. For instance lets say that Gerhart and D’Imperio are like bread and butter. They just run well together. Then I see a change. Maybe AP just loves having Tahi in front. All I know is that somehow Tahi earned the job.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 21, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
That's cool.
I don’t mind a traditional FB but Tahi has never impressed me much as a blocker or a receiver. I loved Tony Richardson and Moe Williams but Tahi never seems to blow open a huge hole or make a timely play in the passing game like they did. On the plus side I don’t see him make any glaring errors either so he’s at least consistently solid. Also we seemed to use a lot less formations with a FB last year so I see his role as a little less important. AD has always preferred running out of single back sets so Tahi’s presence must be due to the coaching staff. Tahi’s decent but I’d rather keep some of those roster bubble guys instead of him if I had the choice.
by CanadianViking on Aug 21, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Sauser started off as a Full Back
Then was moved out to a TE because he had some speed and was catching the ball well. Also he could block. He was a monster blocker in the back field though.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
if this were 1975, he would be a monster o-tackle.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Cut Tahi and Mills
D’imperio will be a fine FB in time, he has a lot of heart and is athletic, no more one yard flats and Mills is way too injury prone he has not completted one season with the Vikes and he can’t block. We need to cut ties with him and move on with Shuler, who is tough and can catch and block.
okay, i just wasted 30 minutes making up a 53 man roster...
please don’t laugh or kill me over it, i’m not sure how many of each position a team keeps…
2010-08-20-viking-roster-guess :
q-backs (3):
1. farve
2. t-jack
3. webb (don’t want to risk loss if on ps)
xx. sage (on pup list to start season?…..we can protect him for 6 weeks)
running backs (5):
4. peterson
5. gerhart
6. reynaud
8. tahi
9.young
xx. d’imperio (ps 1) <<< (ps = practice squad = 8 max allowed)
xx. johnson (ps 2)
xx. moats (cut/trade)
receivers (5):
9. berrian
10. harvin
11. lewis
12. mitchell (cut if we activate sage?)
13. rice
xx. webb (ps 3) (if we activate sage?)
tight ends (3):
14. dugan
15. kleinsasser
16. shiancoe
xx. shuler (ps 4)
o-line (8) this group is scary weak imo:
17. cook
18. cooper
19. degeare
20. herrera
21. hutchinson
22. loadholdt
23. mckinnie
24. sullivan
xx. radovich (ps 5)
xx. brown (ps 6)
d-line (8) this group is just plain scary:
25. allen
26. edwards
27. evans
28. guion
29. mitchell
30. montgomery
31. williams (venus)
32. williams (serena)
xx. griffen (ps 7) (or injured reserve)
xx. kennedy (trade/cut)
xx. robison (trade/cut)
linebackers (8):
33. brinkley
34. farwell
35. greenway
36. henderson (e.j.)
37. henderson (erin)
38. leber
39. ontalu
40. triplett
cornerbacks (6):
41. allen
42. cook
43. griffin
44. sapp
45. sheppard
46. winfield
safeties (4):
47. abdullah
48. frampton
49. sanford
50. williams
xx. anderson (ps 8)
xx. johnson (cut/trade)
special teams (3):
51. kluwe
52. loeffler
53. longwell
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Nice effort, but IMO theres no way we cut Robison, Johnson, Kennedy, or place E. Griffen on IR especially in favor of Erin Henderson, Frampton/Abdullah, or Triplett.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
yea, some of those cuts seemed hard to make...especially robison
i went down the roster list on yahoo, it is divided by position: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/min/roster
the hard part seems to try to get adequate number of players per position.
we are stacked at d-line, something has to give? how many d-line is okay to keep?
we only had 9 linebackers listed on roster, i’m not sure how many we keep, i got 8.
and d-backs? the bold move there was cutting tyrell johnson…wise? maybe not
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Not killing you. The cuts are brutal for anyone.
But Kennedy is your #1 back-up DT
Robison is your #1 back-up DE plus he can play DT in a pinch
Triplett has shown nothing so far.
Everson Griffen could be a 1st round DE talent. You cut him?
You gave up the long kicker ( I still think this will work out.
If two Qbs get hurt the season is lost.
But isn’t putting healthy guys on the I/R just plain cheating? Not allowed in my game( or post)
Remember only 46 guys are active for any given game. So not everybody will play each week anyway.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
But really- Great effort. I'm so glad I'm not the GM
If the new draft picks like DeGeare and Griffen are really good then some old time favorites and special teams players like Dugan, Onatula, and Albert Young are gonna have to go.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 20, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
me neither, that's why i put up the disclaimer....
also, on that list, the guys with “xx. kennedy”…..means i want to keep him, but how?
and the d-line looks the hardest. i know kennedy is solid, but i picked the younger guy, why? i dunno.
also, i don’t know the standard number of d-line vs. linebackers and corners vs. safeties…
but i was trying to keep enough kick and kick return type guys too.
as for d-line, that list breaks down like this:
lde – r.edwards / j.mitchell (e.griffen ps)
ldt – p.williams / f.evans (or j.kennedy)
rdt – k.williams / l.guion
rde – j.allen / m.montgomery (or b.robison)
as for linebacker, i think grime is right. the depth looks really thin.
so keeping triplett and ontalu in order to get to 8 guys….j. leman was the only lb i cut.
also, i could find justification to keep 2 kickers, so at this point in camp…
i stayed with the guy that i thought would be able to massage brent’s ego the best.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I think Robinson is better than Montegomery
plus he can play DT on passing downs.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
in this scenario, Robison over Jayme Mitchell in a heartbeat
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Hey Mr. Vike
Onatula is DA MAN lol! Didn’t he DOMINATE on Special Teams last year??? I could be wrong but I though he played great last year….
by Fantasy Master on Aug 20, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Jethro , Jethro , Jethro ......
1. PUP would be an interesting way to drive up the value on Sage . The Jets are dangling K.Clemons ? But the market is hot for Backups that want to start for even a non contender . I feel we risk losing A. Young if he isn’t dealt soon .
2. Young is on the edge for me but Brad likes guys with time in the system .
3. I like Mills if he can stay healthy . He left practice with his 2/yr old knee surgery ? Shuler is PS material . As Dugan moves into Saussers’s role next year . Shuler can slide into Dugan’s if we don’t draft TE in 2011 .
4. I sadly agree . God we need a backup LT . Remember Hicks lost four during McKinnie’s deal . He’s better than nothing ?
5. When they put Tripplett at WLB I knew they were commited to him . Sorry Onatolu is PUP or IR bait . A draft need unmet .
6. 6 CB’s and 7 LB’s spells $ safeties . You can’t tell me Frampton can over take Tyr. Johnson and his low salary .
7. Ya . I don’t see Lloyd making it unless he has been drilling them in practice and Brad’s playing (no effort) dumb to mask ?
As for LLV . I see Dugan rotating as said above . Sausser is that kind of proof about how the quiet guys seem to keep finding a way to keep their jobs . Aint that right . Editors?
Not alot of sway in this years bottom 8 . PS even seems set . Javon Walker is an example of Brad’s never ending pursuit . Goodell . Like the Warren Sapp rule . Seems to find a new special rule to kill a team every year . The top 4 have no right to get better rule sucks big green donkey dix . Aint that right 555 ?
by gothicpurple on Aug 21, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The Jets were a top 4 team. Did they get stymied by the top 4 Rule?
You keep bringing this up. What player did we lose to the top 4 rule? I can’t think of anyone we wanted that was to expensive and not allowed by that rule.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 21, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
veteran WR's worked out his AM might affect the roster to start the season
Javon Walker and Brandon Jones worked out this morning.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
was there indication of whether they would replace harvin or rice for injury reasons?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
okay, you're right, no way can robison go, he's proven to be a difference maker & versatile
i switched to (7) l-backers & (9) d-linemen.
2010-08-20-viking-roster-guess-2 :
q-backs (3):
1. farve
2. t-jack
3. webb (don’t want to risk loss if on ps?)
xx. sage (on pup list to start season?…..we can protect him for 6 weeks)
this is a real question mark….the 3rd string qb / sage situation.
running backs (5):
4. peterson
5. gerhart
6. reynaud (he can also play wr)
8. tahi
9.young (i think he is a versatile keeper)
xx. d’imperio (ps 1) <<< (ps = practice squad = 8 max allowed)
xx. johnson (ps 2)
xx. moats (cut/trade)
receivers (5):
9. berrian
10. harvin
11. lewis
12. mitchell (cut if we activate sage?)
13. rice
xx. webb (ps 3) (if we activate sage?)
xx. javon walker? (per nmvike)
xx. brandon jones? (per nmvike)
tight ends (3):
14. dugan (i’m not stoked on dugan, but who else?)
15. kleinsasser
16. shiancoe
xx. shuler (ps 4) (if shuler shows game, can he bounce dugan?)
o-line (8) this group is scary weak imo:
17. cook
18. cooper
19. degeare
20. herrera
21. hutchinson
22. loadholdt
23. mckinnie
24. sullivan
xx. radovich (ps 5)
xx. brown (ps 6)
d-line (9) this group is just plain scary:
25. allen
26. edwards
27. evans (or kennedy, take yer pick)
28. guion
29. mitchell
30. montgomery
31. robison (see, who says i don’t listen?)
32. williams (venus)
33. williams (serena)
xx. griffen (ps 7) (or injured reserve)
xx. kennedy (trade/cut)
linebackers (7):
34. brinkley
35. farwell
36. greenway
37. henderson (e.j.) (can he return and stay healthy?…if not what back-up plan?)
38. henderson (erin) (he needs to step up and seize opportunity)
39. leber
40. ontalu (would love to upgrade this slot)
xx. triplett (ps)
cornerbacks (6):
41. allen (good d-back, sucky punt coverage)
42. cook
43. griffin
44. sapp
45. sheppard
46. winfield
safeties (4) they need to step it up:
47. abdullah
48. frampton
49. sanford
50. williams (this guy better bring it)
xx. anderson (ps 8) (i want to get him on the roster)
xx. johnson (cut/trade) (sorry, i just don’t think he plays hard enough)
special teams (3):
51. kluwe
52. loeffler
53. longwell
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Not Bad! Here is my changes to that!
D-Line. Your High if you think we are gonna cut Kennedy, he could start on 15 other teams in the nfl and he is are top DT backup. Griffen, I am not sure how good he has been but my guess is they never cut him nor try and put him on the practice squad! I think Montgomery/ Mitchell / Evans are the ones fighting for a spot. I think I heard Mayock say Guion had one of the best camps and we we drafted him he very young, he has a chance yet to turn in to a probowl caliber player! I think they go with 10 spots this year, looking ahead to next year, Pat Will. will probably retire and K Will. might be suspened…just a thought. …10
Corners. I agree with with everyone you have!…………6
Safeties. Once again, why would we cut are starting safety? I dont like Johnson myself but theres no way we cut him. My guess is Abdullah or Frampton are fighting for a spot. They are bot special team STUDS but this might be one gets let go. ……….4
Linebackers. I think we keep 6. Ej, Greenway, Leber and 3 backups Brinkley, Farewell and Onatula…Erin being the odd man out….thats my guess………6
Qb’s…. Favre-Webb and either Tjunk or Sage take your pick………..3
Rb’s….. AP, Toby, Albert Young and Tahi…. I hope we keep Reynaud to, maybe he can take a WR spot…. get rid of Lewis…also I agree with whoever in the either post that said get rid of Tahi and Put Dugan or Kleiny back there…..Tahi sucks………4
WR’s…..Sidney, BB, Harvin, Lewis, Reynaud my pick is Payne lol…..I hope we get rid of Lewis he’s old and I feel Payne and his size would be a hella target for Favre…………. ….5
TE’s……..Shanks, Kleiny and Dugan………3
OL……..Hutch, Mckinney, Loadholt, Sully, Herrah….I wont lie I dont know to much about are back ups….maybe because they all suck lol….besides Cook, what we got the Rook Degeare and I’ll go with the guy u Posted Cooper……….8
ST………. Longwell, Kluwe and Loeffer……3
I think I got 52 players right there Last spot I’ll give to Frampton because he is one of are leading tacklers on special teams……
Practice squad….I have no idea but what the hell….Nevermind lol who cares lol
Its late hoepfully it makes a little sense…. GO VIKES
by Fantasy Master on Aug 21, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions
I would make three changes
I would drop Montgomery from the DE list and keep 9 D-Line
I would put Webb on the WR list and keep both sage and T-Jack- WRs-6
I’m keeping Reynaud over Albert Young because of the injuries to the WR corp.
I would add the long kicker to the special teams
Total 53
We have improved special teams with the long kicker.
We have shored up the D-Line for life
We have a project Qb that is contributing in other ways right now
We are safe from injuries at the QB position
Man I wish we were deeper at LB
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
Strongly agree ...
You you have a solid conservative list . I agree 98 % .
Lloyd will need to win the #53 spot . P-1 didn’t secure it yet . IMO .
Webb and Reynaud can sit on either list . The added depth will be the same . We are deep enough to keep or deal Rosenfels . My guess from past behavior is for TJ’s Sage’s Agents to actively view other teams . If they can field a pick no worse than a 4th in 2012 . I would consider it . Conservative is a good approach to this team . Other than the waiver wire . We may not be quite done yet .
by gothicpurple on Aug 21, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
My 53-man roster
ST: Longwell, Lloyd, Loeffler, Kluwe
QB: Favre, Jackson, Rosenfels
RB: Peterson, Gerhart, Darius Reynaud (PR/KR)
FB: Tahi
WR: Berrian, Rice, Harvin, Lewis, Logan Payne
TE: Shiancoe, Kleinsasser, Dugan, Mills
LOT: McKinnie, Patrick Brown
LG: Hutchinson
C: Sullivan, Cooper
RG: Herrera, DeGeare
RT: Loadholt, Ryan Cook
RDE: Jared Allen, Brian Robison
DT: Pat Williams, Jimmy Kennedy
DT: Kevin Williams, Letroy Guion
LDE: Ray Edwards, Jayme Mitchell
SLB: Greenway, Farwell, Onatolu
MLB: EJ Henderson, Brinkley
WLB: Leber, Erin Henderson
RCB: Asher Allen, Lito Sheppard
FS: Madieu Williams, Husain Abdullah
SS: Tyrell Johnson, Jamarca Sanford
LCB: Antoine Winfield, Chris Cook, Benny Sapp (NCB)
PS: Triplett, Shuler, Webb, D’Imperio, Marko Mitchell, Thomas Austin, DeAndre Wright, etc…
PUP list: Cedric Griffin, Jaymar Johnson
IR: Everson Griffen (minor bruise)
that's a good format to type the roster list...it fits on the computer screen
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Guys I'm keeping
Wr’s: Harvin, Berrian, J.Johnson, Reynaud, Mitchell (Rice on PUP) then cut him once Rice is back.
DL: Edwards, Allen, K & P Williams, Guion, Evans, Griffen, Robison, Kennedy, Mitchell
LB’s: EJ, Jasper, Leber, Farwell, Chad, Onatolu, and Triplett
CB’s: Winefield, Cook, Allen, Sapp, Sheppard ( Griffen on PUP ) cut him when Griffen is back.
S: Williams, Johnson, Sanford, Abdullah, Frampton
RB’s: AP, Gerhert, Young
TE’s: Shancoe, Shuler
HB: Kleinsasser, Dugan (the old FB/TE role)
QB: Favre, Jackson, Sage
OL: Sully, Hutch, McKinney, Load, Herrera, Degeare, Cooper, Cook
K Longwell, P Kluwe, LS Loeffer
PS: FB D’imperio,WR Webb, RB I. Johnson, OT Brown,OT Radovich, S Anderson, DT T.Johnson, and CB Wright
I took Triplett over Erin because he has good coverage skills and is a great ST player
I took Shuler TE over Lewis WR because we are going to need extra blockers this year, more smash mouth football.
Erin is also a great ST player. The loss of him was a real blow to our coverage units late last year.
I like your smashmouth football plan for this year. It makes sense considering our receiving corps.
by medicineball on Aug 21, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Erin has poor pass coverage skills and their grooming Triplett behind Leber anyway
I also stayed with the Three Veteran QB’s because we need them now, Webb is a three year project at QB and a one project at WR; he will give us much needed depth there. I put Reynaud at Wr because he is basically Percy’s backup WR/RB/PR type player and with Harvin’s migraines we’re going to need him.
Completely agree about Webb.
On Reynaud, yes, the team might need him to move back to WR. I just think he has playmaking ability, and that is rare, and he should get more chances with the ball in games. Wherever he can get the ball. And he can be our backup to Harvin at WR and RB.
by medicineball on Aug 21, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Jaymar has been waived/injured
So if he is not claimed he goes to IR for the season, So now I have to put Lewis in.
Jaymar was cut to make room for Favre
Has that changed since last week?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
he's on injured reserve due to the thumb injury from last week.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
ya read that in the paper this morning
But originally the report was that he was cut to make room for Favre
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
If you watch last Saturdays game you can see the thumb injury
It was on a ST return play. He got flipped around and came up pulling on his thumb. Didn’t seem like a big deal at the time. Just so happened they wanted to keep Jaymar arounf for a year. If he had been healthy they would have cut a camp nobody.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 24, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Rice will be on the PUP
There might be too many issues with Harvin to keep him around…May place him on the PUP until they figure out his Migranes. That’s why Logan Payne, Taye Bittle, and Marko Mitchell stand a fair chance to make the 53 man roster. That’s if they do not sign Javon Walker. I am curious why they are not looking up Marvin Harrison. Aside from him being a tad over the hill, and his gun problems…its all or nothing this year with the lockout in 2011. They should at least see what he still has left in the tank.
Harrison’s gun problems would appear to be the issue.
by medicineball on Aug 21, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yea, but if we got harrison AND plaxico burress, then we'd have some real firepower at wr
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
BTW, if you could go back in time, would you draft Eric Decker?
Too bad we couldn’t take him.
by medicineball on Aug 21, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Back in time
We both wanted Sean Weatherspoon-LB- Looks like he will be a starter for Atlanta. He looked good in coverage but not great yet in run stopping and pass rushing.
I wanted Anthony Dixon as a RB- We’ll see him tomorrow
I really liked Decker but we didn’t need a WR that early in the draft. From what little I saw of Webb running last week I still like the idea of him staying as a WR.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 21, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
There will be quite a few WRs for 2011. Most likely won’t have a chance at the top guys (knock on wood) but guys like Greg Little out of UNC, Austin Pettis from Boise State, or maybe a Harvin type in James Rodgers from Oregon State or Jerrel Jernigan from Troy. These are just the seniors too. If most of the juniors leave early there could be more options and these guys become steals in later rounds.
2010 Viking Roster Guesses
Q-Backs (4):
1. Farve
2. T-Jack
3. Webb (don’t want to risk loss if on ps)
4. Sage (most likely to be traded at some point, but I don’t see them cutting any of these guys out right)
Running Backs (5):
5. Peterson
6. Gerhart
7. Reynaud
8. Tahi
9. Young
xx. D’imperio (Practice Squad 1/8)
xx. Johnson (Practice Squad 2/8)
xx. Moats
Receivers (5):
10. Berrian
11. Harvin
12. Lewis
13. Rice
14. Payne
xx. Johnson (on IR)
xx. Biddle
xx. Mitchell
xx. Brown
xx. Hamilton
xx. Small (Practice Squad 3/8)
Tight Ends (3):
15. Dugan
16. Kleinsasser
17. Shiancoe
xx. Shuler (Practice Squad 4/8)
xx. Mills
O-Line (8):
18. Radovich – made it as a rookie before going on IR and can play G,OT
19. Cooper
20. DeGeare
21. Herrera
22. Hutchinson
23. Loadholdt
24. Mckinnie
25. Sullivan
xx. Cook
xx Clark
xx. Brown
xx. Bill Noethlich (Practice Squad 5/8)
xx. Adrian Battles (Practice Squad 6/8)
xx. Thomas Austin (Practice Squad 7/8)
D-Line (9):
26. Allen
27. Edwards
28. Kennedy
29. Guion
30. Mitchell
31. Griffin
32. Williams, K
33. Williams, P
34. Robison
xx. Evans
xx. Montgomerty
Linebackers (7):
35. Brinkley
36. Farwell
37. Greenway
38. Henderson (E.J.)
39. Henderson (Erin)
40. Leber
41. Triplett
xx. Onatolu
xx. J Leman
Cornerbacks (5):
42. Winfield
43. Sheppard
44. Cook
45. Allen
46. Sapp
xx. Griffin (starts on PUP list activated later)
xx. Sherels (Practice Squad 8/8)
xx. Wright
Safeties (4):
47. Williams
48. Johnson
49. Sanford
50. Abdullah
xx. Anderson
xx. Frampton
Special Teams (3):
51. Kluwe
52. Loeffler
53. Longwell
Lots of tough cuts, but this is as close as I can get for now. Some may get traded before the season starts, but my guess is there will be at least one surprising cut/trade. Best bets as trade bait: Sage, Albert Young, Evans. All would garner draft picks and relieve log jams at their respective positions.
Is 5 CBs enough?
Playing only 5 CBs gives you no back-up for the nickle defense. Someone is likely to get nicked up.
Funny how no one likes a specialty long kicker when roster spots are on the line.
Who are you cutting when Cedrick returns?
Man I would hate to make these final decisions.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
Well, it will be 6 CBs when Griffin gets back. As bad as it may sound, I would expect at least one player (other than Jaymar) to go on IR at some point, based solely on statistics. If, hopefully, every guy stays healthy, I would look to my trade bait guys to see who I could get a draft pick from and clear up a roster spot before cutting one of them. I would add Jayme Mitchell to that trade bait list as well. I don’t envy the personnel department when cuts come around.
Also, Abdullah has backed-up the corner spot in the past and could help hold it down should something happen before Griffin could be activated.
I think that will be the case
I see the Vikes filling out the final 4 roster spots with LBs and Safeties that might be flexible enough to play more than one position. Or guys like Robison or Mitchell that can play more than one position.
11 starters- offense
3 QBs- 7 O-Line, 2 TE, 3 RBs, 4 WR= 19
11 Starters defense
7- D-Line, 5 CBS, 5 LBs, 3 Safety = 18
ST =4
That leave 5 players to add that can play special teams to our 46 man game roster.
LBs, Saftey, CB, and guys like Mitchell, Guion, or Johnson if they can contribute on ST.
Who to keep that just sits around till some one gets hurt on the 53 man roster is the bigger question come cut day.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Aug 23, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Gerhart?
He hasn’t really done anything impressive in preseason so far. He can catch. That is good, but it’s not impressive.
What will he do that Ian Johnson or Albert Young can’t do better?
Seriously.
Well, it is the preseason. The coaches aren’t running true game plans and are trying out lots of different looks and plays. Nothing is meant to be impressive (save it for the regular season). For example, in Sunday’s game there was an emphasis on running screen plays and seeing how each running back did in pass protect. The most carries any of the five running backs was 6 for Peterson. Gerhart was next with 4 carries and each had similar yard/carry (2.8-2.5).
One of the reasons I compare the two is that (in another post) you mentioned Gerhart’s upright running style and how he has absorbed some hits. Well, his running style is exactly like Peterson’s and both were highly successful in high school (Gerhart held the all time yardage record for all of Southern California until last year when current Washington Husky Deaonte Cooper broke it. Go Dawgs!) and college against top competition. Gerhart has already at least shown a much tougher running style than either Johnson or Young. I would even say that he did better in pass pro and catching the football than either of those players. And with what they have already invested in him, the Vikings will give him every shot to show his talents.
He has been effective. Now that he’s in the NFL, the defense will be a lot tougher and will take shots at him. My concern is he won’t be effective in the pros, and could eventually get injured.
That said, if we keep Gerhart, then I am cheering him on. I just think now would be a good time to make a trade.
by medicineball on Aug 25, 2010 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that he’s in the NFL, the defense will be a lot tougher and will take shots at him. My concern is he won’t be effective in the pros, and could eventually get injured.
Could be said about every rookie ever. Try to worry a little less about it till there is some actual games played. Only after seeing him in real games could you make any evaluation about keeping or trading him.
Adrian Peterson
He can’t pick up the blitz, so how about moving him to wide receiver?
Two problems solved.
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