Pre-Season Week 2 Stock Market Report
The road portion of the 2010 pre-season has concluded, and thankfully not a moment too soon. The level of competition was noticeably improved, and the level of play noticeably dropped. Consequently, the Stock Market took a tumble, and it’s going to be hard to find some blue chips this week. But a good investor knows what to look for in a bear market, and I’ll give a couple of good tips. But for the most part, once the game concluded…on a safety, all I could do was channel my inner Private Hicks Hudson of the United States Colonial Marines to encapsulate my feelings about that game, and pre-season in general (If you are at work, in church, at a Cusser's Anonymous Meeting, or are offended by adults using adult words, For The Love of All That Is Good, Right, and Holy, DO NOT CLICK THE LINK):
Stock Market Report, after the jump.
BLUE CHIP STOCKS:
EJ Henderson. Had this been any other pre-season game, and had this performance been from any other player, it would have been a fairly pedestrian night. But it wasn’t, because it was the return of EJ Henderson, emotional defensive leader for the Vikings. He had a couple of tackles, and he looked pretty damn good back in the middle of the defense. One thing I noticed is that there seemed to be no hesitancy and no shying away from contact. His tackles weren’t arm grabs or a pile-on at the end of the play. They were head up, shoulders squared, laying the wood tackles. It looked, for the limited time he was in, that there were no ill effects from his injury. Easily the highlight of the night.
Defensive Depth. So far, the 2010 defensive unit looks to be solid at just about every position two deep. Now, I’m not saying that the second team could play well for extended periods against an opponent’s first team week in and week out, but I am saying that the depth on defense causes me no worries. There seem to be answers to our questions about the secondary, and although the Vikings will have to cut several defensive linemen, I think all of them will land on an NFL roster.
SOUND INVESTMENTS:
Brett Favre, QB. His only series was inauspicious, much like his pre-season debut against Kansas City last year. It doesn’t matter. There were a lot of stories about Favre not respecting Childress, his commitment to playing, blah blah blah. Those questions were answered—emphatically—during an interview broadcast at halftime, where it was revealed the Vikings had a team meeting where that issue was addressed and put to bed. As to whether or not Favre needed to be in training camp practicing, I asked NBA great Allen Iverson how he felt about practice. He said:
Still one of my all time favorite clips.
Chris Cook, CB. His play continues to impress me, and even though it’s pre-season, he looks and feels like a guy that can be good in this league for a long time. He is tall enough to match up against guys like Calvin Johnson, broke up a couple of passes, and scooped up a fumble and returned it for a touchdown, although it was called back on replay. The early returns on him are good, and it looks like he might be pushing for a starting job. I mean, when your primary competition to replace an injured Cedric Griffin (Lito Sheppard) gets burned by Ted Ginn and the third string QB, you look better in the eyes of the coaches.
Joe Webb, QB. All the hoopla about Favre aside, Webb was the best quarterback on the field last night. Favre only had four plays, Tarvaris Jackson was okay, but played conservatively, and Sage Rosenfels was as bad last night as he was good last week. The athleticism of Webb just jumps out, and he really carries himself confidently. His late touchdown run was impressive, but he still has a lot of work to do as a passer. And for a 6th round pick, that’s okay. Oh, and I give Rodney Harrison the ‘Dumb Comment of the Night’ Award when he mentioned that if Webb really has a desire to make the team he’ll volunteer to be a wedge buster on the kickoff team. It’s comments like that that make me miss Howard Cosell.
JUNK BONDS:
Viking Wide Receivers Not Named Percy Harvin, Sidney Rice, or Bernard Berrian. Uh, they looked good in their uniforms, I guess. Take out Berrian’s 1 catch for 10 yards, and the wide receivers had five catches for 25 yards. TE Garrett Mills had one catch for 15 yards all by himself. I sincerely hope that Percy Harvin finds something to help him cope with his migraines, and if it needs to be away from football for him to do that, then I will wish the man well and hope he has a great life. But if Harvin is out indefinitely, and Sidney Rice can’t play because of his hip, what is left isn’t very inspiring. They can’t get separation, and they’re not big enough to go get a football if it’s just chucked up there. Bernard Berrian is the only threat, much like 2008. Let’s put it this way. If I can talk myself into Javon Walker as a good signing, the backup WR’s are a serious issue going forward.
The Entire Offensive Line. Well, that was monstrously craptastical, wasn’t it? I’m the first one in line to say pre-season results don’t mean a hill of beans, and I still believe that. But what pre-season IS good for is to see what kind of depth you might have at certain positions. I still don’t think the offensive line was as bad as everyone else thought last season. There was most certainly a drop off from 2008, but they were still okay, considering they had injuries and experience issues, along with super sub Artis Hicks. Let’s go left to right on the line and do a quick review:
Bryant McKinnie: STILL can’t handle an outside speed rusher.
Hutch: Still a road grader
Sullivan: Did not play. His replacement was terrible.
Herrera: Terrible, at guard and center
Loadholt: A big pile of meh
Backups: Freaking horrid. I know the Vikings were trying to see if guys like Herrera could play multiple positions, and that’s fine. But let’s pull the plug on Anthony Herrera at center, along with the Jon Cooper era. Chris DeGeare looks like a rookie, and Ryan Cook, who was a center in college, looks like he’ll be the top backup at tackle. No one has stepped up to claim the top backup spot, and Cook’s career has been mostly underwhelming. He was serviceable as a right tackle, but would be my last option as a backup left tackle. Oh, and let’s not get into the ‘well, we can move this guy from guard to center, the center over to left tackle, and the left tackle over to the right side’, because that NEVER works. Once the season starts, Sullivan will play, and the line play will be no worse than last year. I will be petrified if somebody gets hurt, because this line could resemble the Packers line from last season if one or two guys go down.
Sage Rosenfels, QB. What a difference a week makes, huh? Rosie looked tentative, indecisive, and inaccurate. I think some of it had to do with the lack of ability from the backup receivers, but Rosenfels didn’t do himself any favors, either. With Joe Webb ‘putting it on tape’, as they say, I thought Rosenfels was the odd man out at QB this year. His pre-season playing time seemed to be an audition for other teams to see if he could generate trade interest, but after last week I thought he might make the cut. No more. There’s no way Webb gets cut and then re-claimed for the practice squad, as I feel he’ll be claimed by someone, and Rosie just doesn’t have any trade value at this point, unless a team needs a vet as injury insurance.
BUY/SELL:
Buy: Jasper Brinkley, LB. Brinkley was put in an unenviable position following Henderson’s injury last year, and he did well, for the most part. He continues to play well this pre-season, and seems surer of himself and what he is doing. Henderson’s return is important to the Vikings defense, but Brinkley adds even more depth to a talent rich defense, and if he has to spell Henderson, the drop off won’t be as significant as it was last year.
Buy: Jamarca Sanford, S. When training camp opened, this didn’t appear to be a job where the incumbent was in jeopardy. That has changed with Jamarca Sanford getting the nod to start over Tyrell Johnson last night. Tyrell Johnson had the hit of the pre-season last night, but it was well into the second half, when reserves and Albert Haynseworth are on the field Seriously, can we put the ‘let’s trade for him’ talk that was rampant in the off season to bed now? Sanford looks like he has gone out and taken the starting job, with Johnson as the primary backup.
Sell: Albert Young as a Kick Returner. Watching Albert Young run through quicksand once he fielded a kick made me long for a speedy return of Percy Harvin. Man, was he slow. Having somebody, anybody, other than Harvin return kicks makes you realize how valuable he is in that role. Darius Reynaud looked good as a punt returner, but kickoff return is a black hole without #12. Get well soon, Percy.
Sell: Adrian Peterson, Pass Protector. Adrian Peterson the running back is a ferocious beast who would make Chuck Norris piddle himself. Adrian Peterson the pass protector/blitz pick up guy better figure it out soon or he will make Viking fans piddle themselves with fear all season long. One the first offensive series 49ers LB Patrick Willis broke through on an inside blitz, and Peterson was as effective as the Iraqi Republican Guard in stopping the breakthrough. Peterson has to make that block, and he knows he does. But can he do it as consistently as Chester Taylor did? We’ll see.
Again, I don’t want everyone to over-react too much. A loss is never fun to watch, especially in the brutally boring fashion we saw last night. It’s still the pre-season, and none of these are major concerns yet. Well, the depth along the o-line is, and I think it might be time to look and see who can be brought in, but that’s just me. The third pre-season game is essentially the dress rehearsal, so we’ll know where this team stands next Sunday morning than we do now, and although I see a lot of good things, there are definitely things that can be worked on.
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I agree with just about everything except the Sage assessment
There were a few dropped balls (on passes that should have been caught), no help from the ground game, pretty much no help from anyone, so it’s understandable that Sage didnt repeat his 310 and 3 performance.
TJack was doing okay until he reverted to that no-look jump pass into the flats.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
agreed
Once the backup line got into the game, all bets were off. It was unbelievable that any passes were completed after that point.
While the pressure definitely got to Jackson, he made some pretty nice plays to get away from it or complete passes while being hit.
What is Sydney Rice's story?
I just keep reading he has a “hip issue”. Is there any thought he won’t be ready to go in New Orleans?
by craig in calgary on Aug 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Nice job I enjoy these every week
I think you’re right we need some help in the O-Line department badly. If we can’t pick it up from a Free Agent we need to look at trading something. We have a bunch of solid D linemen, I would be all for tossing some of those for a solid back up Tackle. Hell I’d throw Rosey as the cherry on top.
Adrien made me cry a bit last night as he showed how much we need Gerhart or Young to be able to pick up those blitzes on third downs. If Albert can pick those up consistantly then that might be his way onto the team. If he can’t I just don’t see him making the cut.
Tjack looked good last night. No shoe lace passes and no floaters. made me thing that he had some potential again. However, then the D started doing some weirder things and TJ’s concentration fell apart. Blah.
Receivers were terrible. Picking up Walker is a like throwing fecal matter on an open wound. I would be working Webb in as a receiver RIGHT NOW.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yup!
I agree, Webb to receiver… Get it in the works as of now…
No sense in not being able to utilize him with all that physical talent.
It made more probable sense to keep him as a 3rd string QB pre-Favre. Now that we have Favre back for the year, the likelihood of Webb seeing any game time would only happen on Special teams or if he were to be used as a wide receiver.
His stats should put him as a WR… He can potentially work as a QB down the road if he is not a stand-out receiver. No sense in working on a project when we can utilize him better now.
With Harvin & Rice being questionable for the year in some games, we needed that extra depth. I think we could potentially have a freak of a WR especially with Brett throwing to him.
Think you've got that backwards
He can potentially work as a WR down the road if he’s not a stand-out QB.
Well
if you think that… I think he could contribute faster as a WR…
Otherwise he would be our 4th QB, and I do not believe we would carry 4 QBs on our active roster and I do not believe he would make it past the waivers to the practice squad.
AGREE 100%
Webb may have potential as a QB but he has at least as much potential as a WR. And WR will take him at least half as long to learn. And we need help there more, especially now that our best jump ball threat is out of commission.
He is 6’4" with a 40+ inch vertical and runs a 4.4 40 yard dash. Why is this even up for discussion?
Good work
I really like your approach…buy/sell, etc…
Honestly, the only thing I’m tweaked about from last night is how Smith & his scrub-led offense shredded our 1st team defense on the opening drive. That was pretty weak.
The O-line still looks like a bunch of wimps, but I’m not worried about that YET. its the 2nd game of the pre-season. TJack is still TJack. Same old. Webb looked great, but what good does that do us? Bart isnt “football ready” yet. Or, at least thats what it looked like to me.
No one seemed really in to it last night. Typical pre-season game. It just bugs me that the 9ers were playing all scrubs on offense & they worked our top-Dmen on that first drive. Outside of that I’m not too worried.
In closing, can someone explain to me how AD played at powerhouse Oklahoma, a true “big boys only” league & he cant block worth a darn? I cant figure him out sometimes. Gerhart doesnt look like the beast I thought he’d be either….YET.
In closing, can someone explain to me how AD played at powerhouse Oklahoma, a true "big boys only" league & he cant block worth a darn? I cant figure him out sometimes.
Patrick Willis didnt play in the Big 12. Look we all would have loved for AP to pick up that block. But understand that Willis is probably the best MLB in football right now. Adrian just needs to understand that he doesn’t need to block the way he runs (he doesnt need to attack a blitzer head up, a chop block will work) and he will be fine.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I think that...
…. Favre said it was a bit of a misread on his part. There were two blizters on that play, and only AP to pick it up. Granted, AP did a horrible job, but I agree Patrick Willis is a stud and you aren’t always going to get him. They needed a different blocking scheme at the line, and/or get the back out QUICK on that play.
Favre has been back, what, 4 days? Much the same thing happened in the first preseason game last year that Favre was in.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 23, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally I'm glad he took the hit
I was wondering how he was going to react to it and seeing him pop back up was reassuring.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
took the words from my mouth
Willis is the best backer in football right now. Period. We’d love Adrian to pick that up (though, as you said, there were two blitzers so it wouldn’t have done any good really) but realistically Willis is going to win that battle more often than not. Few backs could have made that block, and none could have kept Brett on his feet. I’m more focused on the lack of fumbling and some great running he displayed yesterday, despite the O-line apparently staying at Winter Park this weekend.
Agree...
… AP has looked really good in the games I’ve seen so far.
We’re back to needing him to carry us again, I think. Just maybe he can do it now.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 1, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I got the impression
that the pile of crap I witnessed yesterday had a little to do with how laid back our camp was in comparison (I assume) to how Singletary runs his camp. SF was ready to play and MN was not. They came out flat and stayed flat damn near the whole game.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Aug 23, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions
Some of the difference stems for the 49ers being a young team and the Vikings being a veteran squad. Think back to Childress’ first two camps, those things were grueling and the players constantly complained. It’s a non-issue.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I like what you have to say...
… pretty much captures the way I felt too.
I thought Webb looked pretty good as a QB. It would be nice to get him on the field for the athleticism he showed, but I do see him as a QB. I thought his passing motion was silky smooth, and his ability to throw on the run was just superb. That guy is a seriously good athlete. Get him in as a wildcat QB or something now, but let’s keep him a QB, not a wide out. If Percy and Sid can get healthy, we are deep enough at wide out and we don’t need Webb there.
I also thought Cook was great. I predict he’ll at least be nickel if not start at corner this year. I think he’ll be primary backup at corner by midseason, anyhow. I think it vindicates that pick.
By the way, why isn’t Rhys Lloyd kicking off? Do they want to look at kick coverage with Longwell’s crappy kickoffs? Or what? I thought Longwell was better than usual on turf, but I thought we got Rhys Lloyd to boom it out the endzone.
Toby Gearhart to me looks to upright when contact comes. For a big guy, he gets lifted off his feet and thrown back too easily. I never watched him in college, but that is what I see. He needs to get his pads down at contact.
I agree about the O-line and the blitz pickups by Peterson. If one of those guys on the O-line goes down, and it will happen before the year is out, it looks like a disaster will ensue. I hope someone steps up as a backup, and I hope the starters can get better (especially Herrera and McKinnie).
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 23, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions
Joe Webb reminded me a lot of the college version of Vince Young. Big and strong runner, really happy feet when he passes, little touch on his passes. The guy is a project which makes him a great third-string QB. I don’t think the 2011 QB is on this roster, and if Webb progresses he could be the backup to whoever that is next season.
No one really believes Sage will ever get a chance in this offense. Ship him out for a seventh round pick at this point. He’s valuable to other teams more than he is to this team.
Offensive line was awful and the utterly confused by the 49ers scheme. The Vikings defense looked like it was playing a lot of base defense on the first drive. Alex Smith did a nice job moving up in the pocket and finding players.
I’m not overly concerned by anything other than Sidney Rice’s New Orleans status at this point. Still plenty of time to go before Sept. 9.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Game over, Private Glover
Bill Paxton: Hudson, Sir. [Points to Michael Biehn.] He’s Hicks.
That was a great role and you might be correct.
But he was pretty darn awesome as Chet in Weird Science.

"What is best in life?"
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Never understand
Why coaches TALK about the importance of line play but are willing to settle for cr%ppy linemen. Especially offensive linemen.
O-line was bad, bad, bad.
Although I thought DeGeare showed some promise. Certainly no worse than Cooper, McKinnie, Herrera, or Cook.
By the way, love that video clip.
Spot on
Watched this game live from 2 am (CET +1) on NFL game pass (only way to see what ever and all you want here in Sweden). And as a swede with english as the second language we learn in school and all the best english dictionaries, I coulndn’t describe my feelings and thoughts moore perfect than you just did!
Regards from the place where Vikings in 1988 played there only (and so far) real home game.
6' 3", 209 lbs, long blond hair, moustache and beard.
As a Viking ought to be ;-)
I agree with you about "blue chip" E.J. Henderson
He was the inspiration of the night. I had to split the game into thirds. The first third was listening to the game on XM radio while driving. The announcers made it sound like EJ made every tackle in the first quarter for the Vikes. I hope he gets a standing ovation in Minnesota when he comes out to play against Seattle.
I saw the second third in a restaurant after we made the waiter switch the college game they were watching to NBC. No sound.
Final third in the motel room where I got to watch Webb run for the Vikings only touchdown. Also did a couple of game thread comments for the first time. Kind of fun.
Since Favre threw one for one, I guess you could say he was 100%. But, A BIG SUGGESTION FOR THE O-LINE, WHEIHER YOU BE FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD STRING.
If you don’t want to play that big game in Dallas this season, go ahead and let a couple of guys through to sack your #1 quarterback a few more times. I don’t know how much that soon to be 41 year old body can take. I don’t want to know. Protect your investment.
Enough said. Can’t for the Vikes to crush the Seahawks.
I will say the only thing I saw lacking in EJ
Was I didn’t think he was as solid going back into coverage as he used to be. He was still run blocking like a beast but what had made him better than Brinkly was his play in the seam. I saw a couple of times that he was well behind his man in passing match ups.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
game vs. 49er's
I know this is pre season and all, but the OL had better come together pretty quick. If not it may be a dis-appointing season becasue without a dominate OL, the running game will suffer which may also cause the passing game to suffer. So far in these two games, the OL performance has been anything BUT impressive.
by jjlovesfootball on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 PM CDT reply actions
Well Hererra playing center was tried and failed. They shouldn't let that happen ever again.
My big hope right now is that they are playing different line men at different positions to sort out who the best replacements are if someone goes down. I’m happy they left Herrera in a center for as long as they did. It should make sure they don’t do it again…
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#75 Chris Clark has got to go!
He has given up what 5 sacks in 2 preseason games? Boy is he awful! We better find someone else to be our backup LT because we need one in the worst way. We can’t afford for McKinney to go down, we need to do a trade or something, but anything than Chris Clark!
Ave you seen the Eages LT Austin Howard
He was undrafted and signed with the Eagles. i personally know this guy and he is as much of an animal as any LT i have ever seen. He has worked himself into the second string position. Beating out King Dunlap. This kid came from UNI and just been tearing it up in preseason. If we trade I would love to go out and get someone like that. He will be starting somewhere in the next year or two. Lets have him start for us.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
by just another viking on Aug 24, 2010 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
What made me mad about the AP block
Or lack of block is that he was in perfect position to make the block. Yea there was two guys coming but BF is good enough to duck one or slide behind the block, but there is no way he can avoid two. Make the dang block AP.
I saw no energy out of our troops especially on the offense. I guess Longwell was kicking off to open a roster space for someone. Just can’t see holding onto Lloyd when we need so much help on the O line.
by SouthernNorseman on Aug 24, 2010 7:14 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
That sounds reasonable
But in reality what he have we don’t even need to keep. You can have 15 people on o-line but if they all stink it won’t matter much. No I think after the poor showing on special teams last week that Childress is doing extra work on that aspect of the game. Last year we kept a lot of people just to play on special teams. I think this year he’s trying to get more of our first and second string DB’s into the mix so he has more roster spots to play with.
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yea cuz that worked so well last year
Who’s our starting right corner again?
(psst, for those that don’t know or maybe don’t remember, Griffin was injured on kick coverage)
What worries me most
Playing Herrera for so long at center did not bother me because it is always important to find out what options you have, but what did worry me was how soon Childress pulld the plug on Cooper. Did he remove him so soon to give Herrera playing time at center, or did he remove him because he sucked?
Isn’t Cooper 2nd on the depth chart?
But why use a starting guard as a backup center
when you already have a backup lineman in Cook who played center in college?
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Rice
Why the hell didn’t you have surgery during the offseason? Sure have it now and miss half the year.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Frustrating isn’t it? Bigby did essentially the EXACT same thing for us. I was awfully disappointed about it, and it seemed/s selfish to me. Of course Bigby is no all-pro receiver like Rice is but still, same situation.
by packallday555 on Aug 24, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
For what its worth
The AP reported that all three doctors and the Vikings training staff agreed that he didn’t need surgery. So someone is wrong, misinformed or lying.
If that is the case, it’s hard to blame him for not having surgery.
I read reports
A little while back that said surgery would fix the problem and that just rehabbing it might. So no he did not have to have the surgery, but it would have been wise.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

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