Not a Hip-Ster: Sidney Rice To Miss Up To Half The Season After Surgery
by Christopher Gates on Aug 24, 2010 8:36 PM CDT
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PrintSo ya wanna dump out yo' trick bag.
Ease on in a hip thang,
But you ain't just exactly sure what's hip.
As you've no doubt already heard, Sidney Rice had hip surgery on Monday for an injury he apparently suffered in the NFC Championship Game. The recovery time for such a surgery means that Rice is going to miss as much as the first half of the 2010 regular season.
To be honest, when I first heard this, I couldn't quite wrap my head around it. Rice had a breakout season in 2009, leading the Vikings in receiving yards and bursting onto the scene as one of the game's best young receivers in his third NFL season. He's also going into a contract year for a team with championship aspirations and a quarterback who told him last year that he was "always open." So, why exactly did he put off having surgery?
From the sounds of it, he put it off because he was advised that he could get through it without having surgery.
Rice also visited Steadman Clinic in June and said his hip "showed significant changes" for the worse when he went back. "He said it was something I could try and work through," Rice said of his initial visit. "That was the plan I tried. I was trying to rehab it. The area just got worse."
Now, I'm no medical expert or anything like that, but one would think that if the hip injury had gotten worse. . .five months after it had originally been suffered. . .that surgery should have been the number one option. However, I'm not Sidney Rice, and I'm not Sidney Rice's doctor, and now the Vikings will be without him for approximately the first half of the season. Rice did say that he rode an exercise bike for 20 minutes on Monday after the surgery, which can only be viewed as a positive, but at this point the Vikings shouldn't be counting on him any time soon.
So, the other question concerns exactly what the Vikings are going to do at wide receiver now, in light of Rice's injury and Percy Harvin's battles with migraine headaches. The Vikings made the signing of Javon Walker official, so he's now a part of the mix at wide receiver. Yes, Walker had a pretty good chemistry with Brett Favre back in Green Bay. . .unfortunately, his last time with Favre came five seasons, two teams, and a bunch of knee surgeries ago. Granted, a couple of those seasons came with a franchise so awful that they even made Randy Moss terrible, but at this point he can't be counted on to be anything more than a nice complimentary option.
Bernard Berrian is pretty much the top receiver by default at this point, and he'll be joined by Percy Harvin (when he's available), Greg Lewis, and the aforementioned Walker. The battle for the fifth wide receiver spot still rages on, and it will rage on without Joe Webb, who Brad Childress has already said isn't moving back to wide receiver. This means that Visanthe Shiancoe will probably become an even bigger part of the offense. However, this probably means that the Vikings' offense in 2010. . .at least to start with. . .is going to be largely placed on the shoulders of someone other than #4.
Fortunately for us, that guy wears #28. And, to borrow a line from modern-day Canadian philosopher Chris Jericho, he is the best in the world at what he does. Adrian Peterson has no doubt been chomping at the bit all summer long to get back onto the field and re-establish himself in the face of all the whispers that have been tossed around about him this off-season. He certainly has the talent to take this offense and put it on his shoulders for extended periods of time. . .you know, like the entire 2008 season. . .and he may be asked to do so until the Vikings get their wide receiver situation in order.
It could be worse. It could be much, much worse. But it's not. Such is life when you have one of the most talented rosters in the league.
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Talk me off a ledge...
Man, somehow this pre-season has gone from super optimistic on my part, to complete fear. Thanks for a post that makes me feel a little better… but just a little. I am no coward, and I believe in our boys… but the line play so far, plus are receiving depth make me worry… :( Someone talk me down!
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Uff-da!
In Sidney's defense:
I would avoid surgery at all costs too. If I was told rehab was an option (even by a minority of medical opinions), I would try rehab before surgery every day.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
Yes but I would have had regular check ups and if it was not progressing correctly
i would have made sure that by the turn date (when I could have the surgery and still make camp) I knew exactly how it was and if it had gotten better or not. It sounds like his hip got worse over his rehab. Not to see that, not to have a doctor look at it and tell him that the rehab isn’t working is negligent. I’m not saying this is what he did, but as a profesional who is looking at making his pay day next year. I can’t think of anything reasonable that would have caused this.
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Shouldn't we try Webb out at WR?
See if he can’t contribute right now? Hate to tell you this, Childress, but we’re trying to win the Super Bowl this year and if Webb has to play QB this year it means we’re not going to win the Super Bowl.
But Greg Lewis as our number two receiver is not going to strike fear into anybody’s hearts.
Joe Webb with terrify our foes and make big plays!
YES.
Webb should be getting vertical with the DB’s and snatchin footballs outta the sky right now, but the Guru has a different plan for Webbs special talent…..I think the plan involves a clipboard.
seriously
This is driving me crazy. Especially in light of this news, Webb needs to be moved to his natural position. 6’4"+42" vertical+4.44 40 = great vertical threat and jump ball threat. Why is this not happening yesterday?
I've argued this..... The past day or so....
So there are a few options the front office will take on this..
The QBs will go like this: BF, TJ, SR leaving JW to contribute on STs
FO releases Sage or trades Sage: Putting JW at 3rd string
FO tries to sneak JW onto practice squad, which will likely mean he will be snatched up
But, what I would like to see is….
The Vikings utilize him as a potential receiver….. For at least this year…. Maybe he can be like a rookie Randy Moss. However, if the Vikings have not seen him excel at this position, they may not utilize him this way. This could be a strong-hold move by Childress to attempt to address future QB issues w/ the franchise, and since Favre has came and returned, he may not care so much about the receiving core. I think this is potentially a Chilly move to cover his behind for having QB options… Yet, I still think people will be down his throats for upcoming drafts if they don’t take a 1st string QB anyways.. Poor guy can’t win. haha
How is WR his natural position?
He’s never played it…like ever. Wouldn’t a player’s natural position be the one that he knows and has played? There is more than just speed and size needed to be a good WR. Hell, that’s why Carter has his camp in the first place.
by PackApologist on Aug 25, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
We should have sent Webb to Carter/Fitzgeralds camp.
That would have shown us what we needed to know about him as a receiver.
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Good idea
Unfortunately it’s an invitation thing for the best WR talent in the league. I don’t know if they would send a rookie who was drafted very low an invite. But who knows? Carter seems to still have close ties to the Viking organization, maybe they could of pulled some strings.
by PackApologist on Aug 25, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
He was a WR as a sophomore in college
A guy with a 42" vertical will not be able to use natural gifts like that at QB, but he would at WR. It is true that Webb has mostly played QB in HS and in college.
Don't forget...
He was drafted as a WR.
The coaching staff saw him throwing the football to a teammate during Minicamp and they liked what they saw…therefore he was put to the QB position… to try him out there…
But hey… Didn’t Percy even play some QB in college??
No.
Harvin was a WR/RB in HS and in college.
The Vikings did draft Webb primarily as a WR, but they probably planned to use him in the copycat all along. I’m sure they were at least intrigued by his ability to play QB at the time, too. We all know how Childress loves project type QBs.
+1
Not only does Chilly like project QB’s, but Webb is exactly the type of QB that he likes. (Think McNabb…think T-Jack…think pas-run-athletic)
"Mobile" QBs
It seems as though Chilly doesn’t understand that being mobile is the 3rd or 5th thing to look for. McNabb is so much better than TJ because he has always been an accurate passer who could read defenses well and knew how to use his mobility to draw coverage off receivers.
I am always suspicious of coaches who emphasize a mobile QB since it seems like an admission that their plays will break down about 10x/gm and therefore require a mobile QB. In other cases (like Mora Jr. in ATL or Buddy Ryan in PHI), the mobile QB is thrown out there and expected to create rather than execute a well thought out offensive gameplan.
The quest should be for a quality QB who may or may not be mobile, not mobility first.
Agreed....
I think that Chilly get’s blinded by general athleticism and overlooks the mechanics. I would guess this is because he honestly believes he can teach the mechanics to anyone. I might take issue with his belief.
Mechanics
I’ve also heard Childress say that he is either buying a guy’s throwing motion or he isn’t. It doesn’t seem to be a positive comment since it either implies that he doesn’t believe that he can teach optimal mechanics or that he’s very focused on mechanics and not enough on the results.
He also said that TJ was like a piece of clay as though it were a positive thing. He definitely seems to shy away from the responsibility of acquiring QBs with expectations attached.
He would need a lot of reps,
He would need to get the routes down , the timing down. He would have to get the intangibles that make a good receiver great. I don’t think he has the time anymore. If he had been a wr in college I would say do it, but as it is now he needs a lot of training if he’s going to catch the ball for us.
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Maybe even a WR in high school
But right now he has never played WR. If the plan was to have him used as a WR ever the coaching staff should of just put him there from the word go. Instead they decided to see what he had at QB for some odd reason.
by PackApologist on Aug 25, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
You are making
the claim he has never played WR. That is incorrect… He was a QB in H.S., and a QB in College, but he did have some playing time at the WR position.
Not to mention, it’s the title we used when we drafted him.. “WR” not “QB.”
honestly
webb has so much athleticism, why not put it to use
either run some wildcat stuff with him or let him try WR
jeez chilly be a little flexible
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I've been waiting for this post to respond....
on the stupidity of Sidney Rice during this “hip” ordeal.
Now, lots of people talked contract, saying he would have come back sooner if Favre was back, or if the team signed him to an extension. But let’s look at the facts:
Rice has a new agent in Drew Rosenhaus. Drew won’t get paid a cent until Sidney signs a new contract, so I don’t understand any of the “under the radar holdout” talk. If Sidney isn’t on the field, he isn’t going to get offered an extension, especially over one good year. It was in Rice’s, and Roseanhaus’, best interest to have a good season this year. Now there is now way that Sid hits any escalator clauses, and will put up average numbers at best heading into a year of uncertain CBA unrest.
Sidney Rice was told by 3 different doctors it was in his best interest to have surgery on the hip. This was back in February. He opted to refrain from surgery. I understand that surgery can be scary, having broken my back and having my spinal cord severed 12 years ago. But when it’s the consensus advice of 3 different doctors, and means the difference between a career year for you and your team or sitting out even ONE game, you go under the knife. You just do it. Grow some cojones.
Even if it was in June, with camp approaching, and he knew it wasn’t right: Get the surgery, be back for Game 1. Now, Sidney Rice, you have let your team down, your fans down, you have jinxed your next contract which should have been a monster, and thrown doubt on your character and decision making ability.
In short, Sidney Rice effed up.
We’ll be fine without him, we have the horses to step up with the gunslinger throwing the rock. I just wish he would have been a bigger part of it, because I like the kid and want to see him become a superstar in the League. But you made a bad choice, Sid, and now it’s costing everyone involved, including you.
I think Rice screwed himself too.
If he could have made a repeat performance of last year, Rice would have made a shitload of money next year.
If Rice looks good after surgery he’ll still make some good money, but I bet this ends up costing him $Millions in the end.
straight up false
Sidney Rice was told by 3 different doctors it was in his best interest to have surgery on the hip. This was back in February. He opted to refrain from surgery. I understand that surgery can be scary, having broken my back and having my spinal cord severed 12 years ago. But when it’s the consensus advice of 3 different doctors, and means the difference between a career year for you and your team or sitting out even ONE game, you go under the knife. You just do it. Grow some cojones.
Nope. It was reported initially as 2 of 3.
“The issue could have been taken care of this offseason but Rice elected not to have surgery, despite the fact that two of three specialists he saw suggested that might be the best idea.”
Then the AP reported that Childress said it was 0 of 3 (as in they all recommended rehab) and the Vikings team doctors also agreed.
“Childress said all the specialists, along with team doctors, agreed that surgery was not needed in the offseason. Rice, who is in the final year of his contract for just $550,000 this season, decided something more had to be done.”
Assuming the AP report is true, and I assume that this will likely be addressed more directly soon, it’s hard to blame Sidney for this. He hurt the team but surgery you believe to be unnecessary is pretty hard to jump on board for.
Personally I don't trust Childress anymore
He’s patently made up things before to make the team look better. The man is a bit weasely if you ask me. Just look at the three wise men going down to meet Favre. I garuntee Childress told the coaching staff to keep it under wraps in case Favre did a no show.
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Grime said: Just look at the three wise men going down to meet Favre.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Grime
Don’t you know by now that all NFL head coaches lie and evade. It’s part of the job description now : )
by CanadianViking on Aug 25, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but it's getting rediculous
Look at what Seifert wrote about it. At times Childress states he knew all about it, then he states the first he heard of it was when camp was starting. Then he states doctors went to Rice in March and Rice never mentioned the hip bothered him.. No I think this is showing something of Rice’s character.
Also, by the end of the quotes you could tell that Childress was pretty damn pissed at Rice. As he looked like he could run fine and as Childress stated he didn’t know if it was just inactivity that was causing Rice his problems instead of a an operable problem.
Basically stating Rice is a pansy and should play through the pain. What do you think the chances of him playing through the pain would be if he was making five million this year?
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I read Seiffert's take as well as Zulgad's.
Seiffert implies Rice is a pansy who wants a contract and that Childress is pissed at him. Zulgad, who usually rips Childress says that Chilly seemed to be trying to protect Sidney by clarifying the error that 2 doctors told Sidney to get surgery when all three said it could be treated by rehab. I watched the video which is less than 2 minutes long and Chilly basically just said the bit about the doctors suggesting rehab and then saying it’d be nice to have Sidney but nobody’s got perfect hindsight.
Could there be more to the story like Rice being only interested in money? Yeah, but even if that was true do you expect him to say that his star receiver is a greedy bitch. Watch the video clip of the interview and you’ll see that Childress just answers a couple of questions and mumbles a bit without really appearing to be pissed. Even if Childress is telling the absolute truth we still assume he’s hiding something so I can’t blame him or any other coach for lying when they feel the need to.
In this case I believe most of what he said. I’d like to see an interview with Sidney though, as non-QB players are super obvious when they’re lying to a camera.
by CanadianViking on Aug 25, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
are you sure about this part?
Sidney Rice was told by 3 different doctors it was in his best interest to have surgery on the hip. This was back in February.
here is the tangible reporting on the issue i found…
Vikings RapidReports 08-24-2010:
Regarding whether WR Sidney Rice’s hip should have been addressed sooner, coach Brad Childress confirmed the hip was injured in January but the team did not find out about it until the day before mandatory minicamp in May.
Vikings RapidReports 08-24-2010:
If WR Sidney Rice ends up having hip surgery, it would no doubt cause frustration within the Vikings organization. Rice visited with three specialists after minicamp, two of them recommended surgery. Rice, however, opted to rehab the injury.
VikingAccess 08-10-2010:
"Rice and the Vikings have declined to reveal the exact nature of the problem – no one outside of the organization knew he was hurt until Rice’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus, tweeted about it last month…"
VikingAccess 07-08-2010:
"Vikings Pro Bowl wide receiver Sidney Rice downplayed his hip injury when reached by phone Thursday, saying "Everything is alright. I’ll be ready to go at camp"…."We had it looked at [by doctors] and no surgery, Rice said…." "
In short, Sidney Rice effed up.
it sure does appear that way today….at any rate, he got it done & we got javon walker now.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
my previous post was in reply to "toke1"..."I've been waiting for this post to respond.... "
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
BF back and # 1 WR gone & chillii
I wonder if Chilli knew in the past few weeks that the surgery was probably coming so he knew that he had to get BF into town soon. Would BF had come back if he knew Rice was not here?
Using Web as a WR or a triple threat out of the backfield with BF (run,pass,catch) would take too much creativity out of Chilli and Bevell. I want the VIKES to win the SB like everyone else but everyone in the league knows that these two clowns cannot coach and that TJackson is not a QB. Number of interviews Bevell has gotten for head coach 0. Number of teams willing to give up a 3 or 4 (I forgot which was needed) for TJ. - 0
If we win the SB then maybe all this is worth it. (Been rooting for them for many years) Without BF last year do we make the playoffs and does Chilli get an extension? The worse thing about BF is that it gave Chilli an extension. BF should be signed as a player/QB coach and next year retained as a QB Coach. Have him make an investment in these young pups and have him create a QB out of one of them. (That will not happen because no one but “yes men” are allowed to work under Chilli )
2 things Web already does better than TJ. 3,5,7 step drops and pocket presence. He did get sacked for a safety but he felt the pressure and almost got out for maybe a huge pass or a huge run.
Sidney Rice fuckkk yoooo
thanks for fuckkinn up our only chance at a superbowl
we play the patriots, jets, saints, green bay, and dallas.
were fuckkkkeddd
Green bay has a cake schedule
were fuckkkeddddd
Our o-line suckss
Were fuckkkkeddddd
Green Bay plays the same schedule as we do
With two exceptions
From the NFC West, we get to play Arizona (who looks to be a disaster on offense without Kurt Warner). The Packers get to play the Niners, who are vastly improved.
From the NFC South, we get to play the Saints, while the Packers get to play the Falcons. Basically a wash.
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 25, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
GB has a cake schedule?
Really? Last time I check the Packers and Vikings play the same basic schedule. There is all of two teams that the Vikings play different from the Pack. One of those is the Cards who look terrible, and the Pack get the Niners instead. Let’s just say, unless Warner comes back, it looks like you all got the better deal on that one.
by PackApologist on Aug 25, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
iam talking about the first 5 games
they play a much easier schedule in the beggining the first 5 games iam talking about thats teh toughest two months for the vikes, the pack should go 4-1 first 5 games, if we get behind right off the gate were screwedd.
wow
Last time I looked there were 21 other starters on the field. They’ll be disappointed to know that their Super Bowl dreams have been thwarted so quickly by one player.
I guess it’s a good thing the Super Bowl isn’t played in September huh? Sidney will be back and hungry in time for us to surge into the playoffs. Calm down.
WINNER!
of the 2010 ‘Pre-Season’ Doom and Gloom trophy!
(formerly known as the ‘Vikant’)
[chaosg – insert appropriate image below]
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 25, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
(face plam) Whatever dude
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
just a poke.
it’s all in fun.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 25, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Its gonna be huge think about it!
Sidney was our bonafide #1, They are gonna stack the box as usual for AD, i dont think Bernard berrian is even close to rice. RIce is a huge target and has amazing ball skills, if u throw it up hell catch it. this guy was our redzone offense. this guy streched the field, hopefully what berrian is supposed to do. Its a huge loss, and with a shitt running game by the looks of how our o-line played last game were defenitely in trouble.
We wil see, New Orleans gonna tell a lot about how our season goes.
Actually shiancoe is our red zone offense and AD
Both of them were more involved down there than Rice was. Losing Rice for the first half of the season is hard. It is the hardest part of our season by far. Losing Harvin with him is a serious issue as he’s a solid third down option (our other option Taylor left) and he was a phenom on special teams. Losing Rice and Harvin is brutal. Goes to show we didn’t have the depth we thought we had at receiver. I just saw that we traded Sap for a slot receiver out of Miami. He caught over a hundred passes last year. Let’s hope he works well with us.
Sort of feel sorry for Sapp though.
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yeah sorry when I read the article it said 100 over the last two years..
Bad me! BAD ME!!!!
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Future
Minnesota’s season doesn’t rest on Rice or the receivers. Our problem is the “O” line!!! They must give Brett the time, keep him upright & injury free. Then the season will be as good as last year.
I also hope that our running backs
can learn how to block real well
Rice screwed up, but...
He didn’t do it alone. He did speak with doctors, they did give him conflicting advice and he chose the option which didn’t involve sharp, pointy cold steel slicing into his flesh. Folks are freaked about by different things, maybe Sidney has an issue with surgery. A lot of people do and I don’t blame him for that.
Yes, if he had gone under right after the NFC CG, he’d be fine by now, but we don’ t know how bad it was back then. Maybe it was just a bit sore, this sounds like it was a progressive damage which is a lot worse now.
Finally, I’m sure there’s no one more disappointed in himself, than Sidney Rice. He tried to avoid the situation and avoid aggravating the healing process, so he missed out on Carter’s camp, and now he’s out for the first half of the season. Hopefully he learns a good lesson out of this, but it’s not worth crucifying him over it.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Plus I think he pissed Chilly off as well
Which means no juicy contract for you!
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My opinion
Last I checked Peterson, Harvin, Berrian, and Shank is still a pretty lethal threat. Not to mention that most of Bretts best games last year were the games that he spread the ball (as is the case with most QBs). I think the loss of one cog in the overall machine is being vastly exaggerated. Also, I’d rather lose Rice for the first 8 games than the playoffs.
Oh yeah, don’t forget that the backbone of this team is DEFENSE as it has been for the last 3 or 4 years. EJ Henderson is back, the NFL STILL cannot touch the Williams Wall, and Ray Edwards stepped up in a big way in the playoffs last year.
Everybody needs to chill out.
certainly not our secondary
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Doom and Gloom?
have you seen our secondary?
"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you!"
Childress lied
All 3 doctors did not say surgery was not needed….2 out of 3 said WAS needed….Childress is waisting a rare talent in Webb….But dumbass Chilly is a QB guru….NOT…. Hope Berrian stays healthy and Harvin recovers from migraines soon….
Can we all take a breather here on Joe Webb?
Granted, he is an amazing physical specimen, and it would be nice if we could get him on the field for a play or two per game to shake things up. But let’s not forget he was a late round pick from a lower tier college program for a reason.
Precise route running, knowing how to fight past a DB, run blocking, communicating with your QB and other receivers – these are all very intricate details that take time to hone and develop. Webb hasn’t taken a single snap at WR yet, and while I would like to see him move there he will not have the knowledge of the position at the NFL level to make any kind of consistent contribution. If it were easy, Usain Bolt would be on an NFL roster making 30 million right now.
This team made the playoffs in 2008 with Berrian, Peterson, and jack squat else. This year, we have Favre, a more productive Shiancoe, and Percy Harvin (hopefully sans migraines). Obviously the line needs to step it up, but this ain’t the end of the season folks. Lest we forget we still have the best defensive line in football, a vastly underrated LB corps lead by a now healthy EJ Henderson, and an improving, deep secondary with Cedric Griffin’s return only a few weeks away.
Yes, losing Sid sucks. But if we can navigate the first 8 games at 4-4 or better, we’re a playoff team. Period.
2 great points....
texvike, you hit the proverbial nail on the head.
I am as toked as the next guy about Joe Webb, but we need to calm down. He has a ton of upside for a 6th round pick, but we shouldn’t assume he’s going to be a Randy Moss type rookie. Give him some time and we may have one hell of a QB in a few years.
Also, we’re going to be fine. Sure, we would be better with a healthy Sid, but we’ve got plenty to keep defenses on their toes. Not to mention, Favre has made a career of making mediocre WR’s look good and even great. As long as #4 and #28 stay healthy we’ll make it through the first half of the season better than 4-4 and we’ll make the playoffs. And think of it this way…would you rather have a nagging hip injury plaguing Sid into the playoffs, or be without him for the first half, but back healthy for the second half and superbowl…I mean, playoffs?
P.S. where in TX? I’m in FTW.
Dallas...
Just east of downtown in Lakewood area.
Shem – For you and any other metroplex Vikes, I hit up the TNT Sportspage Bar on the SW corner of Belt Line and Preston Rd for my gameday watching. 30-40 complete nutcase Norsemen gather every Sunday, hell of a scene and worth the trip. One catch, they recently opened a new wing of bar and turned it into a full blown Bears viewing area since the local Dallas Bears bar shut down. But it makes our two matchups with our Chicago brethren reeeeaaaally interesting.
Why is everybody so excited about seeing our secondary members come back?
We should have just dropped the whole crew minus Winfield and started over. Griffen can stay injured for all I really care.
Ouch. That one hurts
My condolences, Rice is a good player.
At this rate the only starters still up when we play may be Favre and Romo…
God Bless Texas
Vikes WR dilemma
San Diego is dying to trade Vincent Jackson. Go get him. It will only cost a 2nd or 3rd round pick (and a boatload of $ to V Jax.). Jackson is a knucklehead, but is young and very talented. The championship window closes after this year, so be bold. How great would the offense be at the end of the year with B Berrian as your 4th receiver. Skol.
Why wait?
I know it’s easy to second guess someone else, and that’s all that I’m doing here, but it seems to me that ASAP surgery on his hip would have been better for both the best interest of his health and his contract year. Who was going to offer him big money after a year of playing on an injury (and perhaps not as well becuase of it)? Missing the least amount of time would have been helpful to both objectives.
Remain calm, all is well!
Look, Rice’s injury hurts, no doubt, but the WR position is stronger entering 2010 than it was entering 2009. In 2009, there was Berrian and a bunch of unknown/unproven meh. And then Berrian got hurt, and there was just meh.
for 2010, we have two very good WR’s in Berrian and Harvin, a slot guy that isn’t Bobby Wade in Greg Lewis, and Javon Walker. I think harvin will play a majority of the time, as will Berrian, and Lewis and Walker are guys that can catch the ball and move the chains, and Lewis has the ability to make the Big Catch, as we saw last year.
Favre has had an ability to elevate the play of his wide receivers, and last year Rice and Harvin stepped up when Berrian got hurt. By the time Berrian was healthy, he had a saolid year.
This year, it will be Berrian and harvin, and I would imagine Greg Lewis will fill the void. And if not him, it will be someone.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
We jus tpicked up someone from Miami for Sapp
plays the slot…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well, we've made a move to bolster the WR corps...
just traded for Greg Camarillo of the Dolphins. Looks like Benny Sapp is heading to Miami.
If true...
That means Chris Cook is moving up the depth charts fast. I like that. Camarillo isn’t a superstar, but he’s a solid receiver. Good move, if you ask me, and he’s the breakout guy I talked about above. Just wait…
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
It's not bad.
He’s instantly their 3rd best WR if Rice is unavailable, and he’s not that far off Berrian.
BTC's a Lying A-Hole.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 25, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely better than our current #3 of Greg Lewis
50 catches last year on his way back from ACL surgery. And he didn’t have a single dropped pass.
Poor man’s Wes Welker!
Let's not get carried away...
… but he makes the most of his talent. He knows how to sit down in an opening and make himself available. It’s a good acquisition given Favre’s presence. With a mediocre or worse QB Camarillo would probably vanish.
BTC's a Lying A-Hole.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 25, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Tongue in cheek brother
Still awaiting an actual sarcasm font.
I wouldn’t call Chad Henne or Chad Pennington anything better than mediocre QBs (with Henne obviously having a chance to be better than that). And yet Camarillo had 55 catches in 2008 through only 12 games before getting injured, and then another 50 last year. Of course he isn’t Welker, but he hasn’t exactly disappeared in past years under QBs well below the caliber of Favre.
That's a fair point on Henne and Pennington.
BTC's a Lying A-Hole.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Heard that too.
I think they’re worried that Rice is going to the IR.
BTC's a Lying A-Hole.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 25, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Rice was told surgery would fix the problem months ago
He was given the option to rehab, but in no way was it certain to get better like it would with the surgery. Stupid just stupid. Way to waist you last year with probably the best QB you will ever have. Just to avoid a knife?
There is no defence for Rice. He was told that surgey would do the job(like in April) and that he might be able to rehab through it. What would you pick going into your last season with Brett Favre? I don’t care how much I hate knives, I’m getting the surgery and not taking any chances.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
A bit overzealous
Yes Rice had been told by many specialists that he didn’t need surgey as recent as two weeks ago, but damm just damm… I guess I’ll look up Javon Walker’s 04 and 06 stats and hope for the best.
He was given the option of surgery. Just because you don’t have to do something doesn’t always mean you shouldn’t.
Yes this is probably just me lettin’ off some hindsight steam.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
All these posts are leaving out the one most important detail
SIDNEY RICE HID THE INJURY FROM HIS TEAM. That is a violation of the CBA, which clearly states that a player must report an injury to the team’s trainer as soon as possible. He waited FOUR MONTHS. Why? Pretty obvious. He had a breakout season. The Vikes came very close to a Super Bowl. Favre was coming back for one more try. Rice had just one year left on his contract. Add it all up, and it was CLEARLY related to his contract status. Why else would he hide it? If he told them, “Hey, I’m not sure about this hip injury, it doesn’t seem to be healing up too well…”, he would have had NO leverage whatsoever in trying to renegotiate his deal a year early. So he hid that information, even while visiting a team doctor in March for an unrelated issue. Had he told the team AS THE RULES REQUIRE, they could have a) drafted another receiver in April, b) pulled off a trade for a higher quality player than Camarillo, or c) pursued a WR during the first free agency signing period. But NO… Rice and his dirtbag agent made sure the Vikings had no chance to do those things, because he didn’t come clean on the injury until AFTER it was too late for them to land a quality WR elsewhere. This whole think stinks, and nobody is calling him out on the issue that matters most. Need surgery? I get that. No problem whatsoever. Gonna miss half the season? Fine. It happens. Again, no problem. Don’t want to tell the team about your injury because you know you won’t be able to ask for a raise until AFTER you prove you’re fully recovered? Now we have a freakin’ problem. This clown has lost a big fan.
The teams doctors and specialists
Did say as early as two weeks ago that he didn’t need surgery. He still should have got it and resolved the problem.
I don’t think Rice was holding out for a better contract or would risk time playing with Favre in his final year. This is after a few days to think about it. As you can see in some earlier posts I freaked a bit.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
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