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Childress and Vikings organization excellent in advanced scouting and preperation of opponants (from a Packer fan)



In a post 2 days ago I offered a few thoughts on the Vikings going into the 2010 season.  This post, I want to focus on an issue that I sometimes think gets overlooked: Advanced Scouting (of the opposition).  On a somewhat related note, I have a childhood friend who is now an assistant coach with an NBA team.  He worked his way up to that position by toiling away for years as the teams video editor and then advanced scout (person who scouts an upcoming opponant).  It is very interesting to hear his stories of others in his profession.  Like all sports  (and all jobs actually), there are people who are just good at what they do and then there are those who aren't very good.  My friend made his reputation on advanced scouting and studying opponants tendencies. But he said his problem early on, was that he wasn't an effective communicator.  So eventhough, he would spend hours and hours on a game report, it sometimes wasn't implemented as well as it could have been because of communication.  People learn differently, and the job of a coach is to prepare players for situations where their instincts take over influenced by succesful preperation whether in the film room or practice field.


This leads me to Brad Childress and The Vikings.  Childress has been degraded by numerous people for his apparant poor coaching.  This may or may not be true, but it is not the subject for this post.  Besides focusing on his play-calling or his motivating techniques (inlcuding fashion) or his trips to the airport, I want to focus on the preperation he has the Vikings undertake for upcoming opponants. Again, for those who are unaware, but I am a die-hard Green Bay fan who strives (imperfectly) to be somewhat objective.  As I noted in my previous post, I have tremendous respect for the Vikings organization as they have provided us with the premier rivalry in the NFL for the past almost 20 years.  When I was reviewing the comments on my last post and thinking about the upcoming season, I realize that I (and probally many other fans) often over-look some of the things that make winning essential.  I feel Childress and the Vikings coaching staff does an excellent job (maybe the best) in getting their players prepared for the upcoming opponant and scouting the opposition.  Rightfully alot of credit goes to Brett Favre for the success of last year. I have watched Favre since 1992 and truely believe that last year was far and away his best and most efficent year.  Made the big plays and more importantly, didn't have the turnovers. But are we to think Favre at the age 40 suddenly learned to stop ebing such a risk taker? And are we to give the offensive staff barely any credit?  Anyone who has ever watched favre, recognizes he was a different player last year.  He has always been great, but he played on a whole other level (much to my chagrin btw). Obvioulsy it would be disingenious to discount motivation as a factor for his success.  He definately wanted and succeded in getting revenge on Green Bay.  But I really feel Childress and his staff implemented and executed a near flawless game-plan.

 

    - In the first game he completed 77% of his passes, simply astounding.  Now we all realize now how Green bay could be exploited against a top flight QB.  But we didn't know then, nor did Green Bay's first 3 opponants.  Childress came into that game with a plan on how pick apart the vulnurable points and Favre executed that to perfection.  It wasnt about big plays or fluke plays.  It was about a steady, methodical whoopin. And from my perspective, it wasn't just Green Bay but almost every important game in 2010.  From this outside perspective it really seemed like Childress and his staff had great game plans and the players really bought into it.  I think of both playoff games as an example.  Dallas was another whoopin that they didnt see coming.  The Orleans game was just bad luck with turnovers or that game might not have been close.  So while Childress get his fair share of criticism (fair or unfar), i want to see what you guys think of my supposition that the Vikings offenisve staff is one of the better ones at creating a game plan and exploting other teams weaknesses.

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I think you're right.

Childress and the other coaches often seem to have a good gameplan going into games. The thing most fans dislike about Childress is that when the gameplan goes sideways he isn’t that good in adjusting to plan B. Also, like the friend you mentioned, Childress seems to prepare a good gameplan but his communication of that plan doesn’t always go smoothly. Chilly had a rough start as a coach here but he seems to be getting a little better with each season as he gets less rigid and learns to communicate better with the players.

by CanadianViking on Aug 27, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Chilly panics under pressure.

That’s why he doesn’t adjust in game all that well.

BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 27, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Panics under pressure? Really? What’s the example? Surely not wanting to pull favre against carolina. that was actually prudence (perhaps overcaution), not panic.

I’m a Chilly fan as long as I’ve been a Favre fan, really, so I’m biased. But if I think he has any failing in this regard, it is that he is too cautious and/or patient, he doesn’t adjust enough, not that he does the opposite and “panics.”

by puddnhead on Aug 27, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Carolina game is one example...

… there are others. More than one in the NFC championship game, in my opinion.

BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 27, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you're talking about the 12 man huddle

that wasn’t Childress. The decision to run for 2 straight plays, which didn’t net us very many yards, when the passing game was on fire so he could settle for the FG, however, did strike me as a bit of a panic. But, honestly, at the time I was happy with settling for the FG, because I just wanted the win. I’m sure he was thinking the same.

AND HUTCHINSON YOU PICK TAILS FROM NOW ON DAMN IT

Ahem. Had to get that out.

by Frost on Aug 28, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

Hutchinson decided he’d go against the football gods and, inexplicably, picked Heads.

by Frost on Aug 28, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

The responsibility...

Ultimately falls to Childress on that play.

Not to mention the subsequent play where Chilly gave Brett Favre, a guy we ALL know will force a throw if he thinks he can get it there, a chance to throw the football in that situation.

by Bjorno on Aug 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

... You can't blame Childress for the Favre-int

The passing game was on fire. And it was 3rd and long already. What’s he supposed to do? Just run the ball for a yard, possibly two? That would’ve been roughly a 56 yard field goal. I trust in Longwell’s leg, but even asking him to do that is a bit of a stretch.

by Frost on Aug 28, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right,

Longwell needed a few extra yards, to be sure. 56 yards is a stretch for him, but not impossible. He was 2 for 2 in kicking 52 yarders that year and they both had enough leg to go 55.

My point is that Favre is a “gunslinger”. We, including Childress, all know his tendencies and his propensity to make an ill-advised throw when under pressure. Why put the guy who takes those risks all the time in a position to take that risk, when you know he will force it?

I can understand it in a regular season game, but not in the waning minutes of the NFC championship game when a 2-3 yard rush would give us at least a 60% chance of winning the game with a last second field goal.

We did have Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor, both of which would be more than capable of getting those yards.

I didn’t like the play the second I saw it was not a run.

by Bjorno on Aug 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

56 yards is a stretch for him, but not impossible

Hopefully this is the last time we talk about htis here, but … no, it was not impossible, but the longest conversion of his 13 year career is 55 yards. So I don’t find it a bizarre decision to try to pick up about 5-8 yards with a pass to Sydney. I don’t find it an obviously horrible decision to think that trying to squeeze in a 5-8 yard pass and then kick a ~50 yard field goal had any lower odds of working out than throwing the ball away and going for it from 56+

by puddnhead on Aug 29, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully...

I don’t find it bizarre, but I do find it ill-advised.

A rush is a safer play, even if we were stuffed twice before that play.

by Bjorno on Aug 29, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is it safer to run than pass in that situation?

It was third and long so probably Peterson at RB. Didnt he fumble about as many times as Favre threw picks in the regular season?

by Codypc21 on Aug 29, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Third and long...

But they didn’t need a first down, they needed 3-4 yards to get into Longwell’s range.

Actually, in a third and long situation it would have probably been Chester at RB.

by Bjorno on Aug 30, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

But not for a run,

they would throw to Chester or hand off to peterson.

by Codypc21 on Aug 30, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, Ted may be right...

If so, it’s like a deer-in-the-headlights type of panic, where he seemingly becomes paralyzed. Why no help at all against Peppers in Charlotte?! Why not just give AP the friggin ball and make Arizona play the run?! How about when our high-powered offense couldn’t get out of first gear in Chicago we go to a no-huddle?! Chilly will often just continue with the plan and hope for better results, instead of adjusting to an opponent’s tactics.

by Jshore on Aug 28, 2010 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

To his credit,

it wasn’t the offense’s fault we lost the Carolina game. It was an ugly offensive showing, but we were still in it through 3 quarters before the defense collapsed in the 4th, like it did practically all season long. We did change it up in the Chicago game, being flat in the first half and then forcing OT in the second. I mean, he DOES make adjustments. You just don’t see them immediately.

The Cardinals game was kind of just shitty all around. I dunno what was up with that.

by Frost on Aug 28, 2010 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess if we’re going to define “panic” as “sitting there quietly and calmly & changing much what you are doing as things go wrong” then … I guess he does “panic.”

But at that point we might as well start using the word “yellow” in place of “purple” in our comments, too ;)

by puddnhead on Aug 28, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

oops just saw a typo

I meant “not changing much what you are doing”

by puddnhead on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great article- Thanks for the thoughts

I am reading the criticism of Chilly here and am wondering.
Does any coach in the NFL pass muster. Apparently building a winning team doesn’t count. So which other team has losses that cost them the Superbowl? Seems to me that 31 other coaches must not have made adjustments or “panicked”.
I respect the opinions of my fellow DN posters. But I was wondering if there was any measurable evidence that Chilly is anything but a well prepared coach who has succeeded as an NFL head coach. Lets keep in mind that many fail in this position by spending years coaching their teams to losing records.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Aug 28, 2010 7:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Sean Payton, Bill Bellichick

that’s about it. And it’s mostly just because their gambles actually paid off. I can understand the hesitancy to call Childress a great coach though, since, pre-Favre, the offense really wasn’t anything to write home about, unless you wanted to talk about Adrian Peterson.

by Frost on Aug 28, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I can pretty much

say that most coaches that don’t have a great QB doesn’t have much offense to write home about. Was Bill a great coach in Cleveland or New England prior to Brady? Was Peyton a great coach until last year? He was the one that found a way to lose to Chicago in the NFCCG. All NFL coaches have a great player or two. And that is my point. How do we independently measure the effectiveness of a coach.
I think it is wins and losses. But I am open to any other suggestions.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Aug 28, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hoody inherited Bledsoe when he joined the Patsies. I’d not think of him as dogmeat. And conversely, Hoody did pretty well with Cassell … who I suspect is dogmeat.

by puddnhead on Aug 28, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have my own theory as to Belichecks quarterback success.

But this is Cassel’s year. He will be Better than average. At the end of the year he will be ranked in the middle of the NFL., imho.

But no one is giving me any effective independent measuring stick for determining if a coach “panics” or “doesn’t make adjustments”. So I presume that means that everyone wants to use the eyeball test. It looked like a bad call to them ( without knowing the playbook or blocking schemes). It looks like an easy adjustment could be made there ( said without knowing the health status of all the players). In that way they can criticize all day long and not get called out for it.

When the Vikes win the SB this year it will be because of Farve and AP and the assistant coaches. It won’t have anything to do with coaching the other 51 guys on the roster or the man in charge of it all.

Me, I give all the credit to the coaches whose teams win year in and year out.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Aug 28, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winning one must be your only criteria .

Bill-Gate and ending up with an unexperienced Defense do to age , poor trades , penny pinching and bizarre drafting takes him out .
Sean has no control of his players or coaches mouths . They are also dealing withcoaches access to drugs . Please tell me you don’t feel Sean was stupid enough to not know what was going on ?
   Frosty you are too bored w/the off season ?

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

On the subject of ability to respond...

Does any one else remember the first few games last year where we would start poor then in the second half start on fire and kick ass. Isn’t that a pretty strong indicator of being able to adjust the game plan?

by Codypc21 on Aug 28, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think you guys did much adjusting there. It just seemed like all your guys just picked it up after starting slowly. That could credited to Chilly though possibly.

by packallday555 on Aug 28, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. Brett was being held back because he was still learning the offense and recovering from the shoulder .

The poor caliber teams we faced didn’t have the rotational depth to keep in the game . DET , CHI , and GB in various positions like OL , OLB and CB this year .

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Locating talent and Coaching are two different things .

I don’t feel that Brad makes consistent second half adjustments . I definately hate his prevent . His Defense doesn’t show the preparation needed to get the DB’s in position to make plays on the ball . We have gone away from stripping the ball . Brad seems to script #s of plays to tightly . If a back is hot let him play . He doesn’t aggresively search for miss matches . He needs to have that going for the juggular mentality !!
    Yes . He is a great talent guy . He likes high character guys . He until lately keeps issues in house . The team is humble , hungry and determined to succeed .

by gothicpurple on Aug 28, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't blame defense on Childress,

sure he’s the HC, so technically it’s his responsibility, but he lets Frazier alone in handling the defense. Our defensive woes lie solely on Frazier’s shoes.

by Frost on Aug 28, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thoughts.

Childress seems to have been improving. The records show it.
There are a few things he could have likely done differently in particular games.

Steelers game – can’t help that CT tipped the ball… We were marching down the field looking to score a TD, but the int. sealed the deal not in our favor.

AZ game – Warner was on fire, Favre wasn’t. Bad game all around… Probably didn’t help that the team was already celebrating sealing the north.

Carolina – Peppers should have been chipped or something…. He was the real threat. Give Favre time and anything is possible.

Bears – We were too predictable the first half… Could not get anything done…. Our 2nd 1/2 was explosive and Favre was on fire.. Sadly, our defense did their normal collapse and we got it to OT. However, if I recall, there were a few punts in OT. So the whole tails never fails is irrelevant.

Saints….. Well the offense was great, and I really liked how Chilly did the ear plugs thing, which helped the team on the field able to hear whats up, but, the turnovers were costly…. And we still went into OT… If I was a Saints fan, I would not be too proud of that win, but just more-so a… “We god lucky, thank god!” — Same way I feel about the 49ers & Ravens game….. We should of lost, but we were lucky…. Luck bounced out of our favor w/ the Steelers/Bears game…

Other than that, I think he’s pretty decent… I think Favre has maybe helped him open his eyes a little bit.

by Deek on Aug 29, 2010 3:22 AM CDT reply actions  

I think I yelled at my TV more during the Arizona game...

I am not a Chilly-basher. It doesn’t matter who the coach is, I will second-guess some of the decisions/tactics after a loss. We all do, and they do as well. It’s part of improving, which we obviously did last year. Aside from the TO’s, the NFCCG was an awesome effort on both sides of the ball. You’re right Deek, coaching can only take you so far and then the fates seem to decide.

Also, that was Sean Payton and Drew Brees doing everything within their power to beat us. This is true every game, there is NFL talent on the other side of the field trying to win. To me, sometimes being out-maneuvered during a game is forgivable as long as we came to play.The NFCCG is the only game last year where in my opinion we really showed up ready to play and lost. I hope that this year we realize the urgency out of the blocks and never lose that focus.

by Jshore on Aug 29, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

ARIZ did a great job of confusing Brett . I was shocked . But after review I realized two things .

1. They had players that could play multiple positions in the back half on Defense .
2. Those guys left in free agency and they will have to start from scratch .

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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