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Vikings Fail To Score 50+ Points In Pre-Season Game; Not Serious Threat To Win Division

Pull up the stakes and pack up the tents now, ladies and gentlemen.  The NFC North division race has been decided for 2010, and not only will the Vikings not be serious contenders for the division, they'll be lucky to squeak into the wild card race.

Or, at least, that's what we've been led to believe by the reports we've seen after the third week of NFL pre-season action.  Yes, while the Vikings looked shaky on offense and outstanding on defense in their 24-13 victory over the Seattle Seahawks, the Green Bay Packers grabbed all the headlines this week by putting up 59 points against a team that hasn't given a damn about the pre-season for the better part of the last decade, the Indianapolis Colts.

How little do the Indianapolis Colts care about the pre-season?  Allow me to illustrate.

Star-divide

Starting in 2005, and including the three games they've played this pre-season, the Colts have a pre-season winning percentage of .160, reflecting a record of four wins and 21 losses.  Their winning percentage in the regular season since 2005?  .813, reflecting a record of 65 wins and 15 losses.  That's right. . .the Colts have more pre-season losses since 2005 than they have regular season losses.  Heck, that's true even if you take out the three losses they've had this pre-season.  I'm not sure how many NFL teams can make that claim, but I'm quite sure that it isn't a terribly extensive list.

So, Brett Favre threw a couple of interceptions. . .one of which hit Bernard Berrian right in the hands and was practically handed to Seahawks safety Earl Thomas for a huge touchdown return. . .and all of a sudden the Vikings' offense is in trouble and can't find its rhythm and blah blah blah.  Meanwhile, our rivals to the east are setting the world on fire and have been deemed the favorites to go to the Super Bowl in the NFC.

Man, to find a scenario like that, you'd have to go all the way back to. . .um, last pre-season.  How'd that work out for everybody?  Worked out better for us than it did for them, if I recall correctly.

See, the thing about the Packers that a lot of people are forgetting is this. . .they have a grand total of one defensive player that can regularly put pressure on opposing quarterbacks, and that's Clay Matthews.  He hasn't seen any game action this pre-season, and without him, the Green Bay pass rush is completely, thoroughly, and utterly non-existent.  To be frank, it's barely existent with Clay Matthews in the lineup.  We saw that first-hand in the two match-ups between the Vikings and the Packers last season.

As a result of this, the Packers secondary has to cover for extended periods of time.  And for all the people that talk about how elite the Green Bay secondary is, I'm sorry. . .but outside of Charles Woodson, I'm not seeing it.  Al Harris got his knee turned into mush last year, and still hasn't come back to the Packer lineup.  As a corner in his mid-30s, there's a chance that he might not be back at all.  Tramon Williams hasn't done anything to impress, Will Blackmon can't go more than five consecutive minutes without getting injured, and Jarrett Bush is a punchline waiting to happen every time he takes the field.

If Charles Woodson's body remembers at some point that it's 34 years of age, then that entire defense is in big trouble.  They are that dependent on that guy maintaining his current level of performance.  Woodson is pretty much to the Green Bay defense what Jared Allen is to the Vikings' defense.  The difference, in my opinion, is that if the Vikings were to lose Allen, they have enough talent along their defensive line to at least take a little bit of the sting away.  I don't think the Packers have that in their secondary.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers is a fine quarterback, and I'm certain that the Packers will score a ton of points this year, just like I'm certain that the Vikings will score a ton of points this year with Brett Favre at the controls.  Lots of Packer fans that I've spoken to like to point out the fact that the Vikings have a "tougher schedule" than they did last year.  That's funny because, you know, if the Vikings' schedule has gotten tougher in 2010, that probably means that the Packers' schedule has gotten tougher in 2010, too, since 14 of the 16 games they'll play are exactly the same.  The two games that aren't the same?  The Vikings match-up against the NFC South champions from last year in the New Orleans Saints, and the NFC West champions from last year, the Arizona Cardinals.  The Packers will face the team that finished second in both of those divisions. . .the Atlanta Falcons and the San Francisco 49ers.

If you had your choice, in 2010. . .would you rather line up against New Orleans and Arizona, or against Atlanta and San Francisco?

But the Packers showed last year that, while they were awesome against the Brady Quinns and the Matthew Staffords and the Kyle Bollers of the NFL, if you present them with an offense that's average or better, they have trouble.  If you don't believe me, take a look back at the two times they were carved up by Minnesota last season.  Or the 500+ yard performance they allowed to Ben Roethlisberger.  Or the 51 points they got dropped on them by the Arizona Cardinals in the post-season.  If the Packers and the Vikings are both going to be facing better teams with stronger offenses in 2010, one would have to think that this bodes better for the Vikings than it does for Green Bay.

All in all, I'll repeat something that I've said quite a few times over the course of the off-season and the pre-season.  Regardless of what the pre-season hype might tell you, the Minnesota Vikings are still the best team in the NFC North, and they're the best team in the NFC North until the Green Bay Packers, the Chicago Bears, or the Detroit Lions go out and prove it on the field.  Not in some magazine, not on some highlight show. . .on the field of play.  Have any of those three teams done enough to bridge the gap between themselves and the Beloved Purple?  I certainly don't think that they have.

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The media......

always has a hard on for the pack. Or they just don’t like the Viks. Or both…………….

by papaspud on Aug 29, 2010 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

both...but mostly the latter.

Anytime they do well, there are strings attached…any time they do poorly, “we told ya so.”

(i.e. Trent Dilfer)

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Aug 29, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

+4

Excellent write-up

by mjmrad on Aug 29, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Your comprehension must not be very good.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope Brad Childress is paying attention to this

…Remember the Dallas Cowboys effect it had on the team last year? Oh, yeah!

by mjmrad on Aug 29, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank God they told me the Packers won. Now I don’t have to spend the next 5 months following football. See you next August!

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 29, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Aug 29, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Packer Faithful, Ted Thompson wants you to know that his team can leave its starters in and stomp the devil out of a Super Bowl team in a meaningless exhibition contest , just like they would have done in Miami, if only Brett had not gone rogue, and those crazy Cardinals hadn’t had that other old fart playing at QB in that little NBA NFL playoff contest which no one cares to recall.

by Elgar on Aug 29, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Packers starters played less of the game than the Vikings starters.

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically no

While it is true that the Vikings starters stayed in deeper into the game than the Packers, your starters were in for 74 plays, while the Vikings starters were in for 73. The Vikings ran 5 more plays on offense, and they faced 6 fewer plays on defense.

I have to say that the difference in the Vikings and Packers plays is negligible. It does affirm that neither team was sacrificing their starters for the sake of running up the score against backups though.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha this is funny. You do know that the Colts left their starters in longer then ours right?

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've missed it...

The Vikes did look shakey..you can’t deny that. Things may settle down but the loss of Rice for half the year (at least), Favre showing up late, and Harvin’s migraines are real issues. They look shakey right now – their blocking, the pass plays etc.

The Pack is looking spectacular…I think you’ve identified some real weaknesses but Rodgers is sensational. I think they should be the favorite based on their personnel and what they did in the offseason. Losing Rice will be a huge below that will hurt the vikes against the elite teams as there will no downfield threat. Berrian is not a game breaker. anymore.

And I’m a Vikings, not a Packers fan.

by jolondon on Aug 29, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

They think the source of Harvin’s migraines have been found. Hopefully, that’s a reality and we have Percy for the entire season.

Pirates, Vikings, Hokies. I'm used to heartbreak. At least I have the Penguins....

"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-The Great One

by blackjackfishtaco on Aug 29, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

and...

Camarillo… AND Walker…
who both looked impressive in their short-week debut.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 29, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

What did they do in the offseason?

I think they should be the favorite based on their personnel and what they did in the offseason.

None of their draft picks will be starting and they didn’t bring in any significant free agents. Did they have some really great OTA’s? Not sure what you’re basing that on.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 29, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

based on the following..

a superb QA. He may lack Favre’s judgement but his arm and mobility are outstanding.

terrific receiver core – Driver may be older but is a constant threat. Jennings and Finley are huge threats. Finley is considered one of hte best TE’s in the NFC.

a runner who almost matched AP for total yards.

Look at their stats since the 2nd half of the season. Amazing.

Their achilles heal is their secondary…like the entire division!

by jolondon on Aug 29, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That still explains nothing they did this offseason

Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!

by UnBannedVikingholic on Aug 29, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well actually, Morgan Burnett is going to be our starting strong safety. Buluga has been in a two man battle for the LG spot (though the hip flexor he suffered probably will end up landing him as our back-up left tackle). Mike Neal will probably see a healthy amount of snaps on the defensive line too. He likely won’t start but I’d say he’ll be out there maybe 40-50% of the time.

by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um

Bulaga will not start unless there is an injury. Morgan Burnett is ONLY starting because there WAS an injury and is by NO MEANS considered an upgrade at the position. A best he represents a small drop off. Neal is, by your own admission, a role player.

I really think that the Packers improved the LEAST of the 4 NFC North teams (admittedly, the Vikings are not far behind though) so I was stunned to hear someone picking them based on offseason moves.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now he won’t start unless there is an injury but he was battling for a starter job until he got injured. And at the very least it provided Colledge with some competition, which he really hasn’t had in the past. Never a bad thing.

Before it was revealed Bigby would miss time because of his surgery, it was said that Burnett would have a chance to battle Bigby for the position. It had a lot to do with Bigby not coming to ANY of the offseason practices. It allowed Burnett to take all the first string reps, and he ended up impressing. I think initially he’ll be a drop off (most rookie safties are) but once he gains some experience he could very likely stay as the starter. The guy is a natural playmaker. He has great speed, and can cover a lot of ground. His better points are basically Bigby’s weak points.

Yes, Neal is a role player but that doesn’t mean he won’t contribute. Like I said, because of the defensive line rotation our staff likes to use, he’ll be out there more then your average bench player would be. He’ll get the time to contribute. Sort of like Raji last season.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't we seen this song and dance from the Packers before?

Oh ya, last preseason! How did that turn out?

I will be there in person to see some REVENGE on Sept 9th,2010!

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Aug 29, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Bears vs. Vikings Tickets - $150
Beer and food for 24 tailgate bus trip - More than $150
Watching Jared Allen destroy Jay Cutler LIVE - Priceless!!!!

SKOL Vikings!!!!

by boomy44 on Aug 29, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

The Packers had the same record as the Vikings and they Made the Playoffs and on superbowl sunday BOTH teams were sitting at home.

So how did it work out for the Vikings last year??

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green Bay Packers 11-5 (lost to bucs, bengals, steelers, and vikes twice)

Minnesota Vikings 12-4 (Lost to Cards, Steelers, Panthers, and Bears)

Which one’d you fail, math or reading comprehension?

by Doc Scratch on Aug 30, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rechecked

Thought the Vikings were 11-5 last year.

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 30, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

GPB let me guess you thought the packers were 12-4 must of been wishfull thinking on your part lol!

by cali viking on Aug 30, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

no....

read the post above yours………………….“Thought the Vikings were 11-5 last year.”

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 31, 2010 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Write up of the year, hands down.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 29, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Question!

Seriously for Vike fans. Does Farv actually have a chance of completing the season, or even getting close to repeating his best season ever?
I mean, I have all the respect in the world for the old warrior. He arguably, is the best to ever play the game but, can he actually be a force this year?
Have your WR pick ups been sufficient to offset the loss of Rice and a questionable Harvin?
Your running game should be awesome but, will it be enough to offset a perceived drop off
in the passing game?
The division “should” be tighter than ever this year. It all comes down to injuries, it always does.
We Lions won’t sniff the playoffs but, should be able to make some noise, and gain a bit of
respectability again. It will be interesting to see the Vike/Pack scenario play out.
Here’s to an injury free season for all involved.

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Aug 30, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Lions always play us tough

I have a feeling this will be the year you steal one… :/

by mjmrad on Aug 30, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Answer!

Yes, and yes.
Yes.
What preceived drop off in the passing game? But id there is, yes.
The division ‘should’ be thighter, but the Vikings still ‘are’ the best team in the division.

"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."

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Off Tackle Empire
SB Nation Minnesota

by Ted Glover on Aug 30, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Simple

With Rice’s status for the season, and Harvin’s migrains, there’s a PERCEPTION
that the same passing game won’t be there. I’m not saying it’s a fact. That’s why I was asking if think your acquisitions are going to make up the difference from those two excellent players.

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Aug 30, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harvin will be ready week 1

Reports are that they have located the source of the migraines and finally keep them under control.

Rice could be back week 8 or 9, we’ll see. Berrian is coming in this year healthy as he delt with a hamstring problem for the better part of last season.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't be the first time

Favre has a way of putting his WR’s in a position to make plays. He has certainly had amazing seasons with some pretty mediocre (or perceived as mediocre at the beginning of the season) WR groups. Harvin and Berrian will be healthy, and are still a very respectable 1-2 punch (not to mention Shiancoe is still there and firing on all cylinders). Walker and Camarillo will contribute for sure early on. And when Rice gets back they are definitely upgrades over Greg Lewis and Jaymar Johnson/Darius Reynaud who were our 4th and 5th/6th WR’s last year.

Don’t think of it as missing a Pro Bowl WR for half the year, think of it as gaining a Pro Bowl WR in time for a playoff push. We will enter the postseason with a better WR corp than last year.

And speaking of Rice, you can quote me on this one, I predict he will beat the recovery time and be on the field earlier than expected. Week 8 is the absolute back end estimate in my opinion.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough, there is

and to say Rice won’t be missed would be foolish. But with the addition of Camarillo, and a healthy Berrian and Harvin, I honestly believe the passing game will be just fine.

"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."

The Daily Norseman
Off Tackle Empire
SB Nation Minnesota

by Ted Glover on Aug 30, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favre hasent missed any games yet, so I don't doubt him.

The same questions were brought up last year. Last season it was him playing with unknown WRs. This year Harvin will be ready to go. They found what they think is the source of his migraines(aka a bulding disk in his neck, maybe) and he said he will be ready to go week one.

Berrian is healthy right now, last year he wasent until the end of the year. Favre will be fine and so will the Vikings as they capture a 3rd NFC North title and hopfully more.

Green Bay’s pass rush is almost non existent even with Clay Matthews. That is why good QBs destroy the GB secondary.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah we all know we've seen this before.

It’s actually kind of funny watching the packers fans get all excited about this season. A lot of them actually think they’re going to the super bowl. That is until Rodgers invents a new dynamic way to turn the ball over in the most crucial moment of the season. Let’s see if we can get his playoff record to 0-2. (assuming the pack make the playoffs this year)

by dsludo on Aug 29, 2010 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Really ... Really?

You’re going to get on Rodgers for a critical turnover in crunch time? Really?

by jglowack on Aug 29, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh...

yeah. for the equal amount of dry-humping that goes on re: “Brent’s” crunch-time turnovers by GBP fans.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 29, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

Bertt’s crunch time turnovers are well documented,
and the list of them is a long one.

-
The glass is way more than half-full.

by NorthStarr on Aug 30, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t your entire fanbase like to know what it feels like to actually WIN the big game for once?

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats a lowblow

Here comes the trash talking!

Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!

by UnBannedVikingholic on Aug 30, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

r u surprised? That seems to be the drill: say gothicpurple (or whoever) behaves unacceptably, then turn around & do the exact same thing he does, without qualm or apology

by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not suprised

Just ready to get this ring so nobody can hold that against us no more

Can you get ❼ Lebron? Can you get 1 Vikings? 2010 is the year to do it!!

by UnBannedVikingholic on Aug 31, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha

Yeah, who knows how he’ll turn it over this season. What I’m more interested to see though is how Favre will make a crucial turnover this season. Another ill advised throw across his body? Maybe just a classic throw into a double team? Who really knows I guess.

by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah who knows.

The one thing I do know is I’m not going to compare some “up and comer” just finishing his 2nd year as a starter and his first season with a winning record and making it to the playoffs to Favre. But I know that’s all packers fans do, so keep on doing what you’re doing.

Let’s see if the kid can win just one game in the playoffs this year.

by dsludo on Aug 29, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha nice job of deflecting the the actual topic at hand.

But yeah, we’ll see if he can win one this season.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not deflecting anything

I just think its hilarious that you (and all other packers) compare that goofy qb that you have to Favre. Must be drinking the media’s kool aid. He hasn’t accomplished a single thing in his career, except the newly invented “fumble/kick”. Other than that he’s has 1 winning season. 1 trip to the playoffs. 0-1 record in the playoffs. and a total record (including playoffs) of 17-16. He compares much better with Jay Cutler than BF based on those #’s.

by dsludo on Aug 30, 2010 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow…you really are drunk on that purple koolade man

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best two starting seasons

EVER by a QB!! Highest QB rates, best TD to Int rates and most yards thrown!! All of this while playing behind a sub par line and getting sacked FIFTY TIMES in one year!! No he hasn’t proven anything yet.

EXPECT THAT HE IS OFF TO A BETTER START THAN ANY OTHER QB TO EVER PLAY IN THE NFL.

How much of the Purple Kool Aid did you drink??

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 30, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It helps

It certainly helps that “best start ever” stat that his first years starting were his 4th and 5th seasons. It doesn’t really mean anything since most QB’s of his quality are not riding the pine for 3 years.

dsludo brings up a valid point. Let’s see him win a playoff game before we proclaim the Packers Super Bowl favorites and Aaron Rodgers the best QB in the league.

On the plus side, we do know that he can take a sack with the best of them (he holds the ball too long, you can’t blame all of those sacks on the line).

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He does...

hold the ball too long….He worked on that during the offseason with Drew Brees, A.J. Feeley, Shawne Merriman, Ben Leber, Charles Tillman, Kellen Winslow, and Darren Sproles.
They all went to camp tougher this summer and learned off each other the big D names blitzing him every down. Somehow I think he will be better at that this year.

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 30, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hasn't been sacked yet

So maybe you’re right. Of course, pass rushing is pretty vanilla in the preseason so it may not mean much.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

no one shows anything

in the preseason its pretty meaningless……..it’s all about trying to keep your starters healthy and keeping the right back ups.

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 30, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

GPB let’s see him have that season at 40 yrs old I dought it if he makes that long ! Oh wait favre had that good of a season at 40!!!

by cali viking on Aug 30, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

why do you think.....

I don’t like Favre???? I still wear my Favre jersey. Favre WILL ALWAYS BE A PACKER…Just like Montana will always be a 49er. When I say Montana no one thinks of the two years he spent with the Chiefs.
In a few year when you say Favre no one will think of the two years he spent with the Vikings they will think of all the year he spent with the Packers.

Even if Rodgers only starts for another 10 yrs we would still have 27 YEARS STRAIGHT of elite top 5 QB’s at the helm of our franchise.

Plus let’s face it if you could swing a trade for Rodgers right now you would jump all over it.

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 31, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

No because when we win the Superbowl this year with Favre at the helm every one will remember the 40 year old QB that came in to 2010 as a Viking won the Superbowl as a Viking and there for they will remember him as a VIKING!!!

by cali viking on Aug 31, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Packers are out

I hope he does win another Superbowl for you. I would like to see Brett retire as a CHAMPION!
Most Packer fan hold no ill will against Brett and hope he succeeds. However if the price to pay is it hurts the Packers chances no dice.
Last year i was rooting for the Vikings in the Championship game because of Brett. How hard do you think that was for me??

by greenbay packers backer on Sep 1, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh. I thought the party line was the Rodgers was going to make every Packer fan forget that Favre ever played there.

by puddnhead on Aug 31, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never forgot about Brett

It doesn’t matter if Brett plays for another 10 years and brings 3 rings to the Vikings and A Rodg breaks every record Brett ever set.
Brett is a HUGE part of Packers history and has given me TONS of great Sunday afternoons/Monday nights.
I will wear my Favre jersey with pride until it falls apart.
Rodgers was never to make us forget about the greatness that Brett brought to Green Bay for almost two decades, Rodgers job is to carry the torch for the next two decades.

by greenbay packers backer on Sep 1, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

To a point you're right with your Montana/Favre comparisson

However, Favre went to the Vikings. That’s a little different than Montana going to the Chiefs. Different division, and different conference. Not the biggest rival of his former team. People will forget the Jets. Never the Vikings. Vikings will always be a part of Favre’s legacy whether you like it or not. ESPECIALLY if we can pull off a superbowl this year just like caliviking said.

by dsludo on Sep 1, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

for some not me

When you tell a player you are done with him and you “moved on” they have the right to play for who ever they want to. Brett didn’t pick the Vikings because he hates Packer fan he went to the Vikings because they are one great Qb from winning it all with offense the varied on slightly from what he knew.
Bottom line Favre just wants to win he doesn’t care where and I can’t hold that against him.

by greenbay packers backer on Sep 1, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I agree with that...you were a little off topic...but I agree.

Plus he knew some of the coaches. It was a win-win.

Since you’re not disputing anything I said, should I assume you agree?

by dsludo on Sep 2, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He’s been an excellent Qb in his first two seasons playing. There’s no denying it. He’s easily one of the best passers, if not the best, in the league. No, he doesn’t have the playoff wins but he also doesn’t have the experience that guys like Favre, Manning, Brady, and Brees do either.

You were deflecting too. You took a shot at Rodgers (for a fluke play) and I took a shot at Favre back.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha so now you admit you were deflecting…

by packallday555 on Aug 31, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quite the contrary

You were the one that was defelecting like a little lost puppy, I was just trying to get you back on topic. (Rodgers)

And now you’re deflecting once again, by trying to talk about others deflecting. Get over the defelecting crap ok? It’s pointless and meaningless.

by dsludo on Aug 31, 2010 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

No just simply taking a jab at your Qb in response to you taking a jab at ours. That’s it.

by packallday555 on Aug 31, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

aka defelcting.

(And I’m done using that word now)

by dsludo on Aug 31, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers is good.

Let’s move on.

Please.

by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

instead of fumbling in his own end to end the game.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cause that's different from having your last pass be an interception

Or having your last pass be an interception the last three years running. Two of those times pissing away an NFCCG game in the process.

Yup, that’s much better than having a lineman miss his block and have the guy hitting you put his head on the ball. What were we thinking?

by PackApologist on Aug 30, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thinking

Most teams playoffs defeats usually have to do with the QB turning the ball over. Pressure comes and fumbles and INTs are usually the result in any playoff loss.

Maybe Rodgers could have held onto the ball tighter or Favre could have ran(limped) and slid so not to turn the ball over.

I understand a bit of venting comes across from some Packer fans to now speak their true feelings about Favre, but he gives his team a better chance than most to win so… I was admittedly cursing him a few years back and this is about as far as I will go to defend him.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problems with Farve

I do have a problem when fans of other teams (usually Viking fans these days but it could be anyone really) says that a QB isn’t good because of one play like that. As you stated most teams have their seasons end with something like that.

It’s especially ignorant for Viking fans to do this year, because your season ended in pretty much the same fashion. Really both QB’s had a turnover to end the season. If that means that Rodgers isn’t a good QB as a result then there is a laundry list of stories that would say that Farve isn’t that great either.

We both know that’s not the case though….right?

by PackApologist on Aug 30, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are both great QBs indeed

I won’t talk smack about Manning’s INT to Porter, it was just a hell of a play. It’s time to say that Tracey Porter is one hell of a player. Defensive players don’t get enough credit while too much blame is put on the QB.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 31, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rodgers fumble caused you to lose the game

Favre’s INT, while hurt, caused the game to go to OT. Not the same. But nice try.

by dsludo on Aug 30, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

favre

Threw the ball to the other team to end your season……so what’s your point?? If he was too hurt to play someone else should have been out there!!
If you are still on the field and you screw up a play it’s your fault. It doesn’t matter if you are missing a leg its still your fault.

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 31, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point is.

That the INT = an incomplete pass and a missed field goal from 56 yards. Both cause the same thing, and that is sending the game to overtime. (I feel like I"m constantly repeating myself here)

It did not “end our season” as you so eloquently put it. If we would have won the coin flip no one would be talking about the INT.

Now Rodgers play on the other hand…….ended the season.

by dsludo on Aug 31, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rogers TO vs the Cardinals was a BS call.

There was even a pic of the Cards player hitting Rogers in the head as he threw but no mention in the caption. SI dbags.

by Codypc21 on Aug 29, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Half the hits on Favre

In the NFC Championship game were B.S. no-calls. Probably more than half.

Sucks, doesn’t it?

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by Christopher Gates on Aug 29, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know,

I’m a 55% Viking, 45% Packer fan. I really wanted to see a NFC championship in Minneapolis vs GB. Instead my two favorite teams get screwed out of the playoffs and two of my most hated teams go to the SB. I couldnt think about anything football for a couple months after the NFCCG.

by Codypc21 on Aug 29, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone who is 55% Viking and 45% Packer has more issues than Sports Illustrated.

by Drew-Dat on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

BS calls are a part of football

Every team gets some for them and some get them agaisnt them.

Neither Rodgers or Favre walked off the field saying “if the refs wouldn’t have screwed me I would have won” They know it is what it is and if there would have been better play before or after the blown call the call would not have mattered.

by greenbay packers backer on Aug 30, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Upon further review,

its as facemask as a facemask gets. He grabbed the facemask and used it to pull him to the ground, very similar to the one called where Warner was facemasked. The guys are saying one thing and the video shows something else.

by Codypc21 on Aug 30, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um. Nope.

You can not honestly compare Warner’s facemask to what happened to Rodgers. It’s not even in the same stratosphere. Warner was grabbed with a full hand and dragged down face first. That’s “as facemask as a facemask gets”.

Rodgers was tackled and driven, not dragged or pulled at any point. The facemask contact was incidental, and therefore not a penalty. He turned his head towards the ball on his own strength as he was trying to locate it after it was knocked out of his hand, as you can clearly see his arms reach for it as he gets brought down.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you even watch the clip you posted?

The cardinals player pulled down on his facemask. That was all there was to the tackle, he didnt hardly touched him his other hand and not at all with the rest of his body. Rogers probably would have tackled the guy that picked up the ball or possibly recovered it himself if someone hadn’t been hanging onto his face.

by Codypc21 on Aug 30, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it was a facemask. The refs did miss two blows to the head (which likely would have been called for Favre, Manning, or Brady) and two terrible offensive pass interferences on Fitzgerald. Oh well though, the refs miss calls.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

the hit to the helmet happens

after hes already fumbled there was no throwing motion on that play.

by skol viking on Aug 30, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

or a fumble

deep in his own end like Rodgers against the Cardinals.

Chances are if you don’t win the SB your QB will probably have made a costly turnover at some point, regardless of who your QB is. EX. Manning to Porter…

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if your QB does that

Chances are you’re not the better team

by Danwood on Aug 30, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can be the 2nd best team in the league

and your QB will probably have a costly TO that decides the game. You still want the guy as your QB, it just happens when you play against the best teams in the league. Come AFC or NFC championship the competition is that good.

Even the best will make mistakes then is pretty much all I’m saying. They still give their teams the best chance to win.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Counterpoint:

The Kansas City Chiefs are 2-10 over the past 3 preseasons and are not the league standard.

by Richard Hill on Aug 29, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

True

But K.C. is awful all around. Indy doesn’t need to start the starters all that much. Don’t see much QB battles for Peyton’s job.

"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."

by VikesFaninNM on Aug 29, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Lions were 4-0

Then went 0-16 in the regular season. Preseason means so little it’s not even funny. The starters barely play, and barely try when they do. The only real thing to take from the preseason is to measure depth because the backups are the only ones who ever put in effort.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 29, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Patriots were 4-0 in the 2003 pre-season...

…and won the Super Bowl? It’s just a matter of how the starters perform, and as of now, Rosenfels is winning the starters battle.

by Richard Hill on Aug 29, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brett kicked ass against the 'hawks.

His first pick was because BB is an idiot and the second pick was most likely to test Camarillo. Overall he was very accurate and showed good decision making.

by Codypc21 on Aug 29, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rosenfels?

Care to rephrase your dumbass comment?

by dsludo on Aug 29, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Is this a serious comment? Rosenfels? Rosenfels?

by Doc Scratch on Aug 29, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

Against the Ram’s 3rd Stringers.

~Lah~ ♪♫

by Seracon on Aug 30, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually

Yeh, I can. Go check JT O’Sullivan’s numbers from preseason last year.

by Doc Scratch on Aug 30, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correction: Preseason records mean nothing

Thinks the Bears aren’t worried about their O-Line? How about the Cowboys? Preseasondoes mean something, but W-L is not part of it.

Picking up blitzes? Hitting receivers in stride? Corners manning up? Individual performances and fundamentals do mean something.

by Danwood on Aug 29, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's why I'm not terribly worried

About the Vikings, because their defense has been pretty outstanding, save for one drive against the 49ers.

Favre’s going to be fine, AP is going to be fine. . .again, this isn’t anything different from what we saw last off-season.

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by Christopher Gates on Aug 29, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Vikings are a Firebird, Packers are the Accord

While I love the optimism, based on the preseason, I don’t see a logical reason to assume the Viking’s issues will be all peachy come regular season. The Packers on the other hand have seen based on their play this preseason logical reason to at least assume (though by no means guarantee) that they will be fine come regular season. In other words, both teams can only guess at this point, but at least their assumptions are based on something factual, where as ours seem more like hoping than guessing.

I love analogies, so here comes one. You’re trying to pick a car for a street race. In front of you sit an average 2008 Honda Accord in what appears to be fine condition and 1978 6-speed V8 Pontiac Firebird . On “talent” alone, the Firebird should kick the Accord’s ass, but you get to test drive them first before deciding. On your single 2 mile test drive, the Accord ends up running amazingly well, showing plenty of pickup and handling and running as smoothly as possible. Using the same conditions to test the Firebird, you find that it certainly has good speed but also makes a few odd noises, isn’t handling all that well, and has some trouble starting. Now, while the sample size is certainly small for both, even though your gut might be telling you to go with the Firebird because it has more HP, after your test run it’s hard to argue that something just didn’t feel right about it. And thus you have to go with the car that is performing better right now, not the car that should perform better in your mind.

by Jayrome007 on Aug 30, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

Although I appreciate the analogy, I think it works better for the annual Spring Training Twins/White Sox debate than for the case at hand (up until this year, that is), and that Christopher Gates is correct above. To the extent the preseason is good for anything, it’s for possibly giving some insight on general stregths and weaknesses amongst the units on a team, rather than the performances and potential of any individuals.

The “issues” showing in the Vikes preseason, then, have been a rusty quarterback and a group of receivers trying to acclimate to the team and figure out their roles in the absence of Rice. That’s about it, and there’s no reason to think they won’t all figure it out and shake off the rust. There will likely be some falloff from last season’s passing output, but it’s not all that likely to be a cliff, and it’s also likely to be countered by a better season from AP.

The Packers, on the other hand, have shown little to no improvement from last season in their fundamental capabilities on defense. That’s a big Achilles’ heel, and I don’t see any reason to think it won’t be a season-long issue for them as it was last season. They haven’t done much to address their defensive shortcomings. They’ll certainly be entertaining and I’m bummed I couldn’t nab Jennings, Finley or Rodgers for my fantasy team, but if the Pack give up 28 points a game, they’re not going anywhere special.

by MCA1 on Aug 30, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

AP

My guess is that 98 % of the running backs in the NFL would love to have had AP’s numbers last year. If he has a “better” year, that would be huge for the Vikes.

by TexasViking on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

What you missed is that the Accord was souped up with Nitro…

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pre season doesn't mean anything other

The Colts have lost more preseason games since 2005 than they have regular season games. Since then their winning percentage in the preseason is 0.167. It it mostly about seeing who is going to make the team and getting reps in.

When the Lions went 0-16 they were 4-0 in the preseason.

Once again wins in the preseason don’t mean much if anything.

Is any Packer fan going to care that they scored 59pts in a preseason game if they start 3-3?

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody cares about preseason W-L record

You’re putting words into someone’s mouth.

by Danwood on Aug 30, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not putting words into anyones mouth

There are a few people getting fired up about preseason results and I’m simply stating they don’t mean much.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 30, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really

Then what’s all this talk about Joe Webb? I sure see a lot of crooning over him and his slop time scrambles and throws.

by Danwood on Aug 30, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Box

As in (to quote the great Paul Allen), you’ve just put him in a colloquial box.

by Jayrome007 on Aug 30, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Wins/Losses don't mean anything

In the Preseason. The preseason is about seeing how young players respond and who makes the team.

Joe Webb is a freak of an athelete and so people might think there is some potential there. Yes anything he does has been in garbage time, but sorry if I get excited that he scrambled for a 50yard run the other night.

The score or win/loss of a preseason game doesn’t matter. Your just trying to get a glimpse of what your young guys can do.

Has Nelson looked good so far? Bulaga going to start?…

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 31, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF?
Me: Nobody cares about preseason W-L record
You: There are a few people getting fired up about preseason results and I’m simply stating they don’t mean much.

The Wins/Losses don’t mean anything

So we agree?

I was happy with the play of players like Zombo, Masthay, and Chery. I don’t give a damn how many points we scored or that we won the game. And I haven’t seen many people saying “ZOMG WE PUT UP 59 ON THE COLTZ”. Maybe people are trolling over here on threads I haven’t been reading but I sure haven’t seen it either here nor at APC.

by Danwood on Aug 31, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have heard

Many writers and media members such as Peter King, Chris Colinsworh saying that the Packers are going to win the division bc of how good they look in the preseason. The same was said last year and what happened? There have been a few Packer fans to come over here the last few weeks basically stating the same.

You may not be seeing as I do, but I don’t expect you to. Green & Purple kool aid don’t mix very well…

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Aug 31, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about the Media

I really don’t. They get paid to generate ad hits. The Packers are a bigger audience than the Vikings, so they’ll say good things about them because it generates more hits. I obviously don’t speak for everyone.

If it makes you feel better, go ahead and look at the ESPN 2009 season predictions. Save the obvious choices (Colts, Chargers, Cardinals), most of them are dead wrong.

by Danwood on Aug 31, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Packers

Are a bigger audience in Packer fans minds. You thinking that the Packers have a bigger fan base is your opinion not fact. The GB sellouts are due to unique ownership and simply a better home facility for now. If the Vikings get the stadium they want you won’t be able to get a ticket.
The Minny/St.Paul area is the 14th biggest sporting market in the US, much larger than Green Bay/Wisc. I wouldn’t say there are more Pack than Viking fans outside they’re home states and saying so is purely speculation.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fanbase has nothing to do with the local market size

Jacksonville is a magnitude larger than GB, their fan base has much poorer penetration.

Plus, research agrees with me:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/433134-google-trends-who-is-americas-most-popular-nfl-team#page/6

by Danwood on Sep 1, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some research is not all

The GB fan base isn’t any bigger right now than the Vikings.

Even if you feel otherwise to come over to a Viking site and state that the Packers are a bigger audience(than our favourite team, on our site) is just ignorant. Save it for the APC and those that believe that garbage.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

DUDE!

This post is ABOUT THE GREEN BAY PACKERS. If you don’t want to talk Packers, tell Chris to not post articles about them

by Danwood on Sep 1, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to readjust your tampon DUDE!

Last year not only were the Vikings the bigger draw, but they were the biggest draw out of any NFL team. Ratings don’t lie. Maybe in the past Packers fans had more fans than Vikings fans, and maybe its still true who knows. I think we won’t really know for a few more years. There were some fans that left the packers, after Favre left.

by dsludo on Sep 1, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh, whatevv

You believe what you want and I’ll believe what I want. You guys posted an article about why the media has preannointed the Packers as Superbowl champs. I gave my opinion. You obviously don’t agree with it. Fin.

by Danwood on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I repeat

Just don’t come on this site and say the Packers are a bigger audience than the Vikings.

I’m not going to go over to APC and start saying the Vikings are better and a more exciting team to watch and make up my own boasting. I’ll go there to discuss football, not troll boast and say oh the story is related to the Packers, quit writin’ bout them then, blah, blah…

A so called “bigger audience” isn’t why some experts have picked them as the favorite. It is because they get overexcited about a young QB, that has put up great stats, but still has to beat the Vikings for the division and maybe go further in the playoffs before they are better than the Vikings.

You see potential, we say you gotta do it first. Injuries and all I don’t think the Pack have done enough to overcome the Vikings. You probably do so agree to disagree there.

On second thought there is a 50% chance you weren’t trying to troll boast and it was the green kool aid comin’ out.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 2, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Onr guy one story

He said they have a chance to win the division not that they would.

Generally Viking fans feel as I do in respect to what I’ve seen posted on the DN.

Your argument is weak, but they have been from the beginning.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 3, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

One guy

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 3, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL, earlier you said to Danwood, “The GB fan base isn’t any bigger right now than the Vikings.”

Then you later tell him, after he ACTUALLY posted some evidence supporting his claim that our fan base is larger (which I really don’t even think should be in question.) that all he was doing is speculation.

You don’t have a very strong argument either my friend.

It’s telling that you guys didn’t even sell out in your playoff game in 2008. Regardless of how shitty the metrodome is, that’s just sad and embarrassing.

On top of that, I lived in MN nearly my entire life, and have always had a good laugh when observing many of the bandwagon Vikings fans.

It was hilarious to see and here all the people around town wearing their Vikings apparel, or talking about how great the team was in 2009. Don’t get me wrong either, you guys were great in 2009. I just didn’t understand where all these “die hards” had come from. I know I hadn’t seen nearly as many when the team was merely average from 2005 to 2008.

Of course, I only lived in a town of about 50,000 so obviously it was just a small portion of the people that live in MN. Maybe there were and are many other die hards living in other cities.

I’d bet money with you though that if we were to create some kind of a poll on NFL.com or something about whose fan base was larger or something like that Green Bay would come out on top. (and I really don’t think it’d be close)

Just my opinion though, and I realize it’s purely speculation.

by packallday555 on Sep 4, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was not sufficiant evidance at all my friend

One post by one Viking fan saying the Pack have a chance to win the division does nothing to solidify his argument.

Packallday – you have to understand the ignorance here. You simply do notc ome onto any rival teams web site and state that your team has a bigger audience and is somehow more important. I have enough respect not to go over to APC and start troll boasting which is exacly what he was doing.

“which I don’t think really is in question”, thanks for adding to the idnorance,… thats pure speculation and what happens to the Packers if they have a few losing seasons in a row? I know it hasent happened in a while, but there would be much less GB talk or fan base out there.

You have the most talented young QB out there so some reporters have a hard onj for the Pack but that is all it is.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 4, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

evidence, evidently

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 4, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was fired up

so sorry for the spelling mistakes.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 4, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was talking about the poll run by someone over on Bleacher Report, not the article written on DN.

I don’t think he was trying to imply that our team is more important. Simply that our fan base is bigger which I don’t think is that crazy of a statement.

If the Packers have some losing seasons in a row nothing will change. Hell, we were horrendous for nearly ALL of the 1980’s but the fan base didn’t die off. Our fans seem to be very, very loyal and I think us consistently selling out now for years supports that statement.

by packallday555 on Sep 4, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stating that

Your teams fan base is bigger(and yes somehow more important) on a rivals web site is just asking for it. Can’t you see that?

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 5, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Viking fan base is more loyal than what was written before.

There are many bandwagon fans of all team when they get good. Like I said its the unique ownership and well maintained facility that keeps Packer fans coming back. Give the Vikes the stadium they need and you won’t be able to find a ticket.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 5, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Packers

Are a bigger audience in Packer fans minds. You thinking that the Packers have a bigger fan base is your opinion not fact. The GB sellouts are due to unique ownership and simply a better home facility for now. If the Vikings get the stadium they want you won’t be able to get a ticket.
The Minny/St.Paul area is the 14th biggest sporting market in the US, much larger than Green Bay/Wisc. I wouldn’t say there are more Pack than Viking fans outside they’re home states and saying so is purely speculation.

Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.

by VikesPma on Sep 1, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Game over man, game over......

Now what the f—- we gonna do!?!?!?!

But seriously, you are right about the preseason records meaning squat! More or less writer’s thinking they are the all knowing Oz and possibly drooling in hope’s the the Favre expirement Part II fails like they were hoping it would have last year.

"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."

by VikesFaninNM on Aug 29, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I just cant wait..

To slap the pack and the saints in the face. Good thing we get to do it twice to the pack! Skol Vikings!!!

SKOL VIKINGS 2010!!

by Mr.Cub22 on Aug 29, 2010 6:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Well … this one certainly qualifies for the categorization “the best defense is a good offense.”

by puddnhead on Aug 29, 2010 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that might be the case this year actually. I am not sold that the Packers D did enough to hold back the really good offenses but they are probably going to have to be able to keep up with the Packers offense which could be quite powerful.

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was referring to this article, not the Packers.

by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

See, the thing about the Packers that a lot of people are forgetting is this. . .they have a grand total of one defensive player that can regularly put pressure on opposing quarterbacks, and that’s Clay Matthews. He hasn’t seen any game action this pre-season, and without him, the Green Bay pass rush is completely, thoroughly, and utterly non-existent. To be frank, it’s barely existent with Clay Matthews in the lineup. We saw that first-hand in the two match-ups between the Vikings and the Packers last season.

Well too be fair, the pass rush wasn’t non-existent against the Colts despite having our best two pass rushers out. (Matthews and Jenkins) It should be said that they didn’t have Jeff Saturday playing though either. It was nice to see our 2nd round pick Mike Neal getting a good push on pass plays, as well as one of our UDFA’s Frank Zombo. (who has been a nice surprise for us)

The pass rush will probably be better then last year but by no means do I think it will be very good. More then likely it’ll probably be right around average, maybe a little above. The good thing for us though is that your offensive line has looked awfully poor all preseason. I’m sure Sullivan’s return will help to improve it but it still probably won’t change the fact that McKinnie appears to be slower and declining, as well as Herrea.

by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2010 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

How will it be better ????

They predict . As I stated for weks if not months that the loss of Jolly created a carousel effect on your Defensive front that will hurt your chances at accomplishing your dream . Use some relevant information or change that supports your drivel Ex: Mathews (after recovering from his hammie ) will be in his second year…or something ??? Raji is undersized and will have to move to LDE . Neal needs to learn the unselfish role of playing NT . Jolly should have been dealt with in FA . Maybe Jamaal that went to DEN from SD . You need not one but no less than two OLB’s . Capers has helped the players over achieve . I felt from the beginning your team lacked the athletes overall to sustain the 3-4 . Without progress at all three levels of your D . I see a let off . It is a good thing you face a lot of run oriented teams . Though others are correct . Better QB’s will give you fits . Even if Aaron averages 7 more offensive pts./game . Your Defense has given up 14 more pts./game . In the cold months this won’t help your playoff bye aspirations .

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

AHHHHH! Reading your posts make me want to rip my hair out sometimes!

The pass rush will improve because we’ll be better in our schemes. We’ll be better at disguising our blitzes, which was the case against the Colts, and the players who were with us last year will have a better understanding of the defense. There IS a reason the 3-4 defense is one that is considered hard to transition too. Plus, I’d bet Matthews will be improved, as well as Raji who is playing a more natural position for him.

Speaking of Raji, he’s 330+ lbs. He isn’t too small for NT. He’s got a low center of gravity, quick feet, and great strength. He’s done a good job of taking on double teams so far which is his main job. Neal won’t play NT. He was brought in a pass rushing defensive end.

Haha we have more then one outside backer’s. Matthews, Jones, Poppinga, Zombo, and Chillar (emergency option).

Yes, I’m sure the pass defense will still struggle against better Qb’s but it’ll also force turnovers because of the aggressive nature of the defense.

I’m not sure what your talking about in your reference to the cold months. The cold weather will help out the pass defense. It likely won’t hurt the offense either as Rodgers showed in all of our cold month games last season that he is more then capable in cold weather.

P.S.- You are the LAST person that should be using the word drivel. LMAO.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

its best to just ignore man…falling on deaf ears.

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t know why I waste my time anymore.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

This article, as well as some of the comments underneath, seems a little bit defensive.

You seem to be defending yourselves against what a certain segment of Packers fans, who are young and/or naive about preseason games, are saying.
Whether by choice or not, you seem to be ignoring the wiser heads in Packer Nation, who know better.

I, for one, do happen to have extremely high expectations for my team’s (as a whole) season, and beyond, but that is not based on a pre-season score.
And, I am certainly not ready to write off the Vikings.
I certainly hope that it happens, but, until/unless it happens on the field (and/or in the locker room, lol)…

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by NorthStarr on Aug 29, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

You seem to be defending yourselves against what a certain segment of Packers fans, who are young and/or naive about preseason games, are saying.
Whether by choice or not, you seem to be ignoring the wiser heads in Packer Nation, who know better.

Agreed. It’d be like us only listening to your fans who say you guys are going to go 19-0, and win the Super Bowl.

by packallday555 on Aug 29, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

we're not?

what drivel!

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 30, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe it's less packers fans

and more about the media where the problem lies with us Vikings fans being defensive

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by jcrave24 on Aug 29, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are not young or naive .

They are hopeful . Brett truely has destroyed the former mentality of Packer fans of the past . I still recall Diehards . With a 4-10 record truely believing in their fanatical minds they have the #1 team in the land aside from their two dozen guys on IR that year . I like the new look post-Brett Packer fans sniveling . Name one Pack fan that has given a legitimate reason or opinion on Why ? Why the will improve ? Youthful exuberance maybe . Even 555 won’t predict a sweep of the Purple . They all simply hope for Brett to fall . No differently than they heard all those years when he wore green . Warren Moon was living proof that 4000+ yards can still be had after 40 . How will Pack fans feel about their storied franchise begging Brett to go into the Hall in green . They offered 25mil while grovelling last time . Brett said then to Murphy . He may have to wait 5 years ? That would be three more in Purple . Maybe he was a man of his word all along . They just weren’t listening to what they couldn’t comprehend !!!!

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its pre-season

Post after the Bye week and then we will have a better understanding on how teams are really going to play.Any Team can get hot or cold at any point in the Season.But during Pre-Season everyone that doesnt have a spot locked up wants to look good on film,cause when cuts come and your one of them, you hope you made an impression.They also hope to get that 1 play that stands out in coaches mind at this time.If it dont tally in the W-L-T it doesnt matter what you do,win all 4 of them and score 100 points a game.What counts is money games,which start in Sept when players really play.

by speedlod on Aug 29, 2010 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Injuries is the only win/loss factor . Rice's surgery caused quick results by the FO . Can we get thru one more .

Injuries have a plus factor to the sick and greedy like me . Campbell/OAK took a spinebuster this week and will reconsider TJ and Sage Does Radovich/RT , R. Lloyd/K , A. Young/RB , F. Evans/DT , M.Montgomery/DE , K. Onatolu/LB-STace have any trade value ? I hope to see us wheel and deal for 6-7th rd picks or package deals for those needing depth without DET snatching them all ….

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think there may be a service for those who really care, on Sunday the 5th.

Who beats who only matters after it’s dead and buried.

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by cryhavoc on Aug 29, 2010 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Jesus you guys are brittle.

The minute someone says something nice about the Packers, Chris breaks off a 500 word diatribe about how the Vikings aren’t being respected.

As an aside, while you’re probably right about GB’s defense in general and their secondary in particular, you should at least get the names of the inadequate CB’s right. Bush and Blackmon are unlikely to be the nickel or dime guys, and in Bush’s case he probably won’t be on the team. The likely inadequate DB’s you should be citing as being the source of lots of yards/points for Packer opponents in 2010 are Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood, and maybe Sam Shields (hope so; I like that kid). Blackmon’s been moved to safety, and will get cut if he doesn’t contribute on ST. Also, we’ve got a new starting SS, Morgan Burnett, who picked Manning and broke up another pass. He’s gonna be good, but he’s a rookie, so he can probably be had too. Your description of Williams is pretty much dead on, in my opinion, though some people like him better than I do.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and Nick Collins is an elite safety, which is one of the reasons why GB's defensive backfield got so much pub last years...

…. until Harris got hurt. Woodson and Collins should be the core of an elite DB corps, but they haven’t been since Harris went down. Harris had his flaws before he got hurt, but he was good enough to keep teams from ignoring Woodson’s side of the field. Williams hasn’t been close to managing that, and with him at #2CB (often covering the #1 WR of the opponent when Woodson goes into the slot against 3WR sets), the nickel spot got a lot worse. Lee and/or Underwood are big improvements over Bush, but that isn’t saying much of anything.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ted its not just one time the whole media world has proclaimed you guys the champs and that the vikes are done,and you haven’t evan beat us yet thats why we get frustrated if I remember correctly we are the defending NORTH champs not the pack! So untill you guys beat us they need to shut the FUCK up!! Not mad at you just the stupid media!!!

by cali viking on Aug 29, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The press is in love with GB this offseason...

… but I don’t remember anyone saying the Vikes are done. There’s been some speculation that Favre’s act might cause problems, but it didn’t last year, so…. though I suppose that the Pack love could be interpreted as a conclusion that the Vikes are done. Sure doesn’t seem like the Packers are thinking that way about the Vikings…

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 29, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have to expect the hype with S. Rice out for 8 . Let's enjoy the lack of press .

Hell they even showed the Bears embarassment with ARIZ . Instead of Brett hear in Iowa on FOX . When will they learn ? Martz pumped the third game to steal the show . And fell flat on his ass . Than God for them that Brett only plays one Nooner on FX in the first eight weeks .

by gothicpurple on Aug 29, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

who gives a flying oofer what the "Especially Sucky Propoganda Network" has to say...

let the media take the added pressure off the vikes and put it on a.rodgers shoulders.

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by jethrophet on Aug 29, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah that's my take on it too.

They still have to prove it on the field. Half the reason they’re blowing up the packers is to make it a good story anyway, just like last year. And it worked too, they got their highest rated Monday night football game ever…

by dsludo on Aug 29, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just remember, that was LAST season. This is this season. Last time I checked the Vikings and Packers haven’t played in 2010.

The media IS way over the top, I would have rather them not caught on at all…hard not to when a team is putting up points like they can’t be stopped I guess.

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

As crazy as it's going to sound

It might not happen quite so frequently if a few of these experts could stop blowing teams like the Packers long enough to show even a modicum of respect to a team that went 12-4 in 2009 and was inches away from going onto, and likely winning, the Super Bowl.

This garbage happens all the time. When the Vikings do win a Super Bowl, it will be the least-covered victory in the history of the sport, because acknowledging such a thing would prevent the “experts” from talking about the Packers and the Patriots and the Colts and the Cowboys and the Steelers and the Saints and whoever else is among their chosen ones at that point in time.

I’m tired of my team constantly being crapped on by the intelligentsia that covers this sport. If you have a problem with that, it’s a you problem, not a me problem.

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by Christopher Gates on Aug 29, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear yah

Same song and dance for Bengals fans as well. Exact same routine, just swap “Green Bay” with Baltimore and “Minnesota” with Cincinnati, then tweak some of the words a little bit so it fits better.

I’m tired of hearing how good Baltimore is. I’m tired of hearing how great Joe Flacco is going to be when he hasn’t proved himself yet. I’m tired of hearing how this team is superbowl bound despite it getting back two league-average CBs and losing the only thing that made that secondary anything close to elite for six weeks—Ed Reed. I’m tired of the media ignoring how stacked and loaded the Bengals are. I’m tired of the media trashing them for the slightest errors. I’m tired of the media writing them off as “Same old Bengals” without giving them a second though. I remember an article where La Canfora was writing how the Ravens were Super Bowl bound and completely forgot to even mention the Bengals and last season’s accomplishments.

I’m sorry to vent here, but I feel your pain and you very much understand my plight.

by Doc Scratch on Aug 29, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just like I get tired of

Hearing how almighty great the Dallas Cowboys are. And how every year they’re predicted to go to the Superbowl year after year. Has anyone watched Romo lately? He looks God awful! I always thought he was overrated anyway.

  I’m sick of the media hoopla as well. Action speaks louder than words. What’s done on the field is proof of what it is.

  The media is incapable of managing a water fountain without screwing it up.

by Jricky70 on Aug 29, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No excuse for Dallas...

.. not being good. They are stacked at wide receiver, their running game has been decent, and Witten is probably one of the top 2 or 3 tight ends in the game.

How could Romo be so bad? I wonder what they pay him. It seems to me he should be set to succeed, but just doesn’t.

Some guys never seem to become winners. Romo looks like one of those guys.

by HammeroftheGods on Aug 30, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said Hammer

Romo has had 5 seasons. He has talent but lacks the winning attitude and mental toughness. Dallas is loaded with talent. But if you don’t have the QB to get deep in the playoffs it doesn’t matter.

 I’m totally convinced that botched chip shot field snap that Romo screwed up in 06 in the playoff game will haunt him forever. I think it was the turning point for the worst for him.

by Jricky70 on Aug 30, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

spoken like a true saints fan (i.e. eff dallas all the time)

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by jethrophet on Aug 30, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

But wait, its just the preseason and none of that means anything, right?

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lighten up, Francis.

Once the season starts and the Vikes win a couple of games, the press will be all swoony over Favre again, just like last year. I get the irritation with the pro-Packer stuff, but the perception that the Vikes don’t get positive press is just nonsense. Not saying it wasn’t deserved given the year they had, but the press was all over the Vikings last year from like week 3 to the NFC championship game.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some of the annoyance comes from people stating that the Vikes are the best with Favre

Then we get Favre again and they are all, wow what a terrible mistake! It’s honestly just stupid people writing dumber things.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 30, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

They just all want to be the first one to say that they thought Favre should have retired so they can get people to read their stuff. So when he looks old on the field that starts to give them something new to write about.

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

“to the NFC championship game.”

by TexasViking on Aug 30, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the Vikings do win a Super Bowl
When the Vikings do win a Super Bowl, it will be the least-covered victory in the history of the sport,…

On the contrary, I think that the media coverage of the ensuing search for frost in the underworld will be like no other. :)

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by NorthStarr on Aug 30, 2010 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

You called them intelligentsia

I think that was your first mistake. You have to label them correctly as the idiocracy.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Aug 30, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you wanna hear the most over-the-top Packers dry-hump, look no further than Bill Simmons’ latest Cousin Sal podcasts. I know he’s not an NFL analyst or anything—-but still, he’s easily the most popular guy at ESPN, and hearing him say “this just feels different” when discussing the Vikings…I mean, he’s towing the company line pretty hard, isn’t he?

by NWOntario on Aug 29, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

You should listen to their late regular season and post season 2009 pod casts

It was complete Favre dry humps.

Sal also beats down his team, the Cowboys. I doubt he’s “toeing the company line.”

by Danwood on Aug 30, 2010 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here you go guys! This will make you feel better!

(Of course, FO was off on the packers by 4 wins last year, so…)

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/101774153.html

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2010 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

That FO preview is a joke

They have something like 7 or 8 NFC teams going 9-7.

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by Christopher Gates on Aug 30, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't really get that either.

I like FO, and I know that luck is difficult to account for, but it seems pretty obvious that they’re hedging their bets on predicting records in the hopes that they come within a couple of games of reality for everybody. If they’re that uncomfortable with their model why don’t they just scrap it and stick to analyzing existing data for the teams and individuals? They’d still be worth the subscription price in my opinion.

Putting that many teams in the middle is essentially acknowledging that they can identify the very best and the very worst, but that half the league falls into the “we have no idea how these guys are going to do” category.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s just a mean projection. Would have been more useful if Bedard had posted the percentages for each range.

by Phoenix138 on Aug 30, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same as last year

Vikes and Packers both have the same team as last year. Other than Favre, big Pat, and Charles Woodson/Al Harris/Sid Rice, neither teams have a lot of player that you’d expect to regress due to injury or age. Packers are very young and Vikings are average youngness. I’d expect both teams to be reasonably similar in quality.

Last preseason both teams looked IDENTICAL. Seriously, look it up. Vikes were solid on D and shaky on offense. Packers actually had BETTER offensive numbers last preseason, but I don’t think their D gave up as many TD’s.

In any case, preseason just isn’t a good indicator of how good teams will do. McCarthy has admitted that he game plans for preseason so that his coaching staff also gets their “dress rehearsal”. They like to go through all the motions. This is part of why they do so well. Colts always suck in preseason. So you have two teams on the extreme edges of preseason strategy and with predictable result.

Packers were 2-5 against teams with a winning record. Both the Vikings and Packers are likely to see their reg season wins reduce with the harder schedule. Both have question marks. Still to early to call. Maybe we better play reg season.

by Sand0 on Aug 30, 2010 8:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Good post...

The Saints will be better than the Falcons, in my opinion.

But for almost certain, this year, the 49ers are better than the Cardinals. It isn’t even close. With Leinart or Anderson under center, the Cardinals are going to be lucky to go 8-8.

So, I would say you are right, the two schedules are quite comparable.

by HammeroftheGods on Aug 30, 2010 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

By the way...

… most people had the Packers over the VIkings last season too. They do look impressive on offense in the preseason. Last year, it turned out their offensive line was suspect. Has it gotten better? I haven’t followed the Packers yet, or seen them play yet.

Preseason can be mighty misleading.

Also, even last season, it took a few regular season games for Favre and the offense to click. Basically, I think it was discovering they were a better passing than rushing team last year. Hopefully this year we can be the rushing team we were in 2007 and 2008, and the Vikings will be dominant.

The O-line, to me, is still the key. We can be fine with Camarillo, especially since we should get Sidney back for a run into December. Apart from that, with the addition of Cook, return of Henderson, and the eventual return of Griffin, the defense looks better than last year. I like that Sanford is pushing Johnson at safety. We are weak at safety, strong across the board otherwise on D.

by HammeroftheGods on Aug 30, 2010 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Enough!

I avoided commenting on this yesterday, but this thing seems like it is only picking up steam now. Preseason might be misleading. it might not be. Who knows. Either way, really not anything to get undies in a bundle over. Pack fans may be a bit giddy after last weeks game, but let’s be honest, who’d blame them. If we threw up 60 points on the Colts we’d be gushing too, it’s human nature. Let them have it. We only come off sounding insecure about our team, being so defensive. Come back to me until 10/24 to talk about which is better.

And in the meantime let’s be honest — they very well could come out on top this year. It’s not like they are Detroit or something (who, in case a lions fan is reading, I do expect to actually be the most improved team of hte division this year — just not that much improved. Maybe next year, or 2012). Lots of folks here said running into GB in playoffs again last year was their nightmare scenario. I remember the polls. None of you should be pretending now that they are not legit.

by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Lions are finishing 3rd this year

You should’ve said “It’s not like they are Chicago or something”

by Danwood on Aug 30, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not willing to go that far

But I’m not gonna dispute it either. Yeah, I almost did say Chicago, actually. I actually expect some big strides form Detroit on the offensive side of the ball. The thing that led me to stick with Detroit as the whipping boy for one more year is that I’m not sure they really have much going on defense. They might end up with a few games with scoreboards that look closer to basketball than football.

by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

>Defense

Have you not heard any of the news about Detroit’s DLine? That alone is making that mediocre secondary much better and they’ve been playing without Delmas and Wade for a good majority of the preseason. Once they get their full secondary healthy, it should be a good group, other than the LBs.

by Doc Scratch on Aug 30, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I have read a little bout D line

though no I haven’t watched anything with my own eyes. But I’m assuming the secondary still sucks IMO, and that will make for problems once the real games start and offenses take it up a notch from preseason.

by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

True secondary still sucks

But I think they have the makings of a damn good defensive line that covers up a lot of deficiencies, you guys should know something about that

by the yooper on Aug 31, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

you guys should know something about that

Touche. You guys know about the opposite.

by puddnhead on Aug 31, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that...

… the Bears look like crap. They didn’t fix their O-line, their receivers still stink, and Cutler is still playing poorly under pressure. It sounds like he’s gun shy, from the reports I read.

Adding Taylor helps their depth at running back. But they are paying a huge salary to a blocking tight end, while not fixing their offensive line.

They obviously added Peppers which will help their defense, plus if Urlacher stays healthy. But the depth on that team is non-existent. They are average at best, even on defense, and one or two injuries and there is little left.

The worst sign for the Bears has been, from what I’ve read, poor special teams play.

Not having top draft picks for two years, and then messing up in the prior years when they did, tends to leave a team with no depth. They are going to be worse than last year, I predict, even with Peppers.

The Lions, I’m not sure how good they might be, but they added a quality back, two really good defensive lineman, and had a full draft unlike Chicago. I would be surprised if Detroit doesn’t beat out Chicago this year.

I would say, Detroit 7-9, Chicago 5-11.

By the way, Minnesota 12-4, Green Bay 10-6 (they play the Vikings twice!)

by HammeroftheGods on Aug 31, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post puddn. I feel just like you do. Of course you are going to be excited when your team puts up huge points…especially when its against one of the best in the league. The important part was the first half and the team looked great in the first half. That said I hope people don’t confuse most of us for the media. The media is the main one pushing the Packer train at breakneck speeds. We know we still have issues on D that need to be cleared up. But its a new season and the Packers and Vikings are both probably going to be two of the elite teams in the whole league. No one has beat anyone yet, its a clean slate…should be a really fun season!!

by TrevorR on Aug 30, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The important part was the first half and the team looked great in the first half.

Exactly! No one cares that we put up 59 points. People do care though that we didn’t allow Manning to drive down the field on basically every one of their drives. (Like we did last season against good Qb’s) It was also nice to see us pick off one of his passes, and confuse him many other times. That’s ultimately why we switched the 3-4 defense. Too confuse Qb’s, and force more turnovers! We weren’t very good at it last season, and so far it appears we’ll be better at it this season, which is something we need to be considered a legitimate threat in the playoffs.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sort of I guess. Though last preseason we game planned for teams defensively as a sort of dress rehearsal for the regular season. This year we’ve stuck with pretty vanilla packages.

by packallday555 on Aug 31, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

also apperently

we will be destroyed by the saints in the opener
go figure

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by Vikant on Aug 30, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

packers gets lucky in one game in preseason and now they are superbowl bound.lol get real.packers hasn’t had a good defense to play,there is no way packers is better then vikings.

by subzero on Aug 30, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

14th

The Vikings rank about 14th in each offensive team category so far. That is close to the Colts, so Gonzo’s argument appears sound.

On the other hand, Favre threw no TDs and 2 picks while the Colts rolled the Packers, a tougher opponent than the Seahawks. The Vikings struggled to run vs. the Rams and 49ers (and vs. the Seahawks to a lesser extent), and that is troublesome.

It is preseason, and therefore meaningless, but it’s equally true that Vikings fans haven’t gotten any really good news or strong signs of encouragement, either.

by KC Viking on Aug 30, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

To be fair

Favre is still getting into the swing of things and had some new WR’s to work out against Seattle. We’ve also started Herrera at center the last two weeks (a frightfully bad idea) which has made our line look worse than it is IMO. The Rams game hardly counts for anything since our starters barely sniffed the field at all.

I agree that this preseason hasn’t been particularly encouraging, but that’s not what the preseason is for. I’m not worried until we see how they play when it matters.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried about Favre

Favre may have trouble replicating his career-best 2009 no matter what, but I think that he will perform well enough no matter who is catching the ball.

The running game is another story. Whether it was Vikings starters vs. Rams starters or backups vs. backups, the Vikings should have been able to run all over the Rams in that game, and it didn’t happen. I hope that it proves to mean nothing later.

by KC Viking on Sep 1, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Offensive line

What happened to our weak offensive line and Rogers holds onto the ball to lng argument you guys use all the time. Well time will tell but indications from training camp and preseason are that Oline may be a strength and Rogers is getting rid of the ball as fast as anyone in the game right now. I think the regular season will show our pass rush will be more than adequate with how we have shuffled players. Jenkins and Matthews on opposite sides of the field will open things up, as will having a pocket collapser in Raji at nose now.

I’m liking what we’ve done can’t wait to get out there and prove it.

by the yooper on Aug 30, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

We will see

I have to see the O line and Rodgers match up against a real pass rushing package before we get a verdict on that. Defenses throw their most vanilla schemes out in the preseason, we’ll see how they handle things when it counts.

by Cobra312004 on Aug 30, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

See that’s the thing though. If you watched the Colts game, they started ALL of their defensive linemen. The Colts also threw MANY blitzes at us, and we appeared to do a better job picking all of them up. They didn’t just rush their four down linemen nearly every play like most teams do in the preseason. And even when they did only rush four guys, the offensive line still held up (which was something it didn’t do early last season).

This is all kind of moot anyway though. The only reason the offensive line was so bad early on last season was because Tauscher was out, and Clifton was out off and on. When they were both back healthy, the offensive line improved immensely. Both of them are healthy this season, and until we see otherwise, there is no reason to believe the offensive line won’t be at least as good as last season.

by packallday555 on Aug 30, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was a GREAT post.

Thanks for writing it – you summed up every single thought that I’ve had on this subject. No one is saying that the Packers aren’t hugely talented in several areas, but far too many clueless sports writers are over-hyping their strengths while failing (again, just like last year’s pre-season) to address their flaws, as well.

Their chief problems are their O-line (still shaky until proven otherwise), their one-dimensional offense (seriously, the Packers still think Ryan Grant is THE man? LOL), and their aging secondary.

They’ll score points, of course – any team with some great receivers, a monster tight-end (Finley is a beast), and an excellent young QB is going to put up some points and even win some shoot-outs. But the key will be how they do against a dedicated and staunch top-tier defense. In those types of scenarios, they’ll wish they had an Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson-quality RB, instead of Grant (though it won’t matter much since the Packers’ offense is pretty one-dimensional, anyway).

I think we should still be (quite clearly) considered the favorites of the division and the NFC. If Rice can return on time and be able to quickly pick-up where he left off, we’ll be sitting pretty. SKOL VIKINGS!!

by Wytefang on Aug 31, 2010 12:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Their chief problems are their O-line (still shaky until proven otherwise), their one-dimensional offense (seriously, the Packers still think Ryan Grant is THE man? LOL), and their aging secondary.

I think your view on the offensive line is backwards. The only time it was bad last season was when we had something called Allen Barbre starting at RT, and Daryn Colledge at LT. As soon as Clifton and Tauscher returned the offensive line improved a great deal, allowing something like nine sacks in our last eight games compared to forty-one in our first eight games.

Clifton and Tauscher are healthy now, and even if one (or both) does go down (which is probably likely) we have better back-up’s in place behind them. I think until Clifton or Tauscher show signs of decline, it should be assumed the offensive line will just fine. Not the other way around.

Not going to get an argument from me about us being one dimensional, or Grant being overrated by many. Though I do think Grant fits what we want to do on offense pretty well. Even if we had a better running back, McCarthy would still probably pass 60+% of the time.

by packallday555 on Aug 31, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

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