Quarterbacks 2010 and 2011

But the fact is that as of right now, TJack does not have an extension.

And one could argue that once they do trade Sage, that then TJack will have even more leverage and could ask for more money since now he will have the upper hand.

Or they could get TJack to sign without announcing it and then trade Sage. I do not know if TJack’s agent will go for this unless TJack is getting a pretty good deal.

All suppositions and theories I suppose.

To me, the fact they exposed him to the free agent market at all speaks volumes about how they really feel. Why would they take that chance? If they really, truly wanted him as the QBOTF they would have at least put the 1st round tender on him but they couldn’t because they put the first round tender on Edwards. They can only have one player at each tender level.

I am not sure that the Vikings are sure about TJack.

I have said that If Webb is our QBOF we play him as a QB and nothing else. I believe that is how the FO thinks of him. Otherwise we would have instantly installed him as a WR when Rice went down.

But If I believe that , then I am not going to use my 1st rounder on a QB. That guy won’t be ready until 2102 either. Now if Webb ain’t the guy,then play him now, where we need him and use whatever we got to get a QBOF.

But there are teams like New England and Denver that like to stockpile QBs and use them as trade bait. Personally, I would rather have the best player available in the draft than have to pick a position.

I still see us keeping Sage for next year. T-Jack if an extension is negotiated soon and Webb being the QBOF. Sounds nuts when considering we didn’t draft him as a QB but proof is in the pudding. And the pudding looks good to me for what we have seen.

He is an 11 year vet. He has been with SD since he was drafted. He led them in the playoffs when Rivers was hurt.
He will be a free agent next year. No team can talk to a player’s agent without permission when they are under contract. That is an absolute rule that could cost you a draft choice if broken.

Remember GB’s claim that the Vikes had contacted Farve? Same rule.

They have a franchise guy in Farve.
They have Sage for next year.
They have Webb for the future.
How are they doing this?

it’s seems to me that they are simply disregarding the qb position for 2011.

If you meant they have already addressed it then I understand what your saying.

So, because it is difficult we should not draft a QB? Because often a team has to do it several times we should not draft a QB. Because all teams face the same problem at one time or another the Vikings should stick their heads in the sand and Not draft a QB.

There is always a left tackle in the draft. They are not all successful. There is Rarely a QB available that your team has evaluated as your QBOF. When you discover a rare Jewell, you pick it up. You don’t worry about how it will weigh you down on the trip home.

Thanks for pointing out Brohm, although in my defense, it’s easy to forget there’s an NFL team in Buffalo.

That comes with the territory of playing a young QB, though. I also think Chilly’s relaxed the ole’ sphincter a little bit and isn’t quite the know-it-all he was earlier. He still has that trait to him, but I think he appreciates better than he used to that no matter how good he thinks his plan is, he still needs players to make things happen once in a while.

I think if he really didn’t trust him, he would’ve had a little more urgency than signing the Gus Frerotte’s of the world. I think he doesn’t trust TJack now, though.

To be clear, I’m not blaming them for anything; just mainly pointing out that there hasn’t exactly been a bumper crop of QB prospects to choose from since Chilly took the reins.

And for Kolb in particular, I like him, but Vikings fans (or fans of any other team in need of a QB) won’t have a legitimate complaint if he’s good, at least one that’s not based entirely on hindsight and conjecture their team could’ve developed him similarly. First, anytime a QB slips into round 2 and beyond, it’s crapshoot time (as if it that weren’t the case already, but you get my point). Second, Kolb’s fallen into a situation where he’s been able to develop, Aaron Rodgers style, for a long time behind the scenes for an organization that knows the passing game and had a franchise QB. Whatever he is/becomes, he’s the result of a pure development situation; going relatively late (for a QB) in the draft means he shouldn’t be viewed as a draft mistake for teams that didn’t take him.

But again, my point is fans are too hard on Chilly for the TJack draft. My point is it isn’t like he’s got an Alex Smith type mistake on his docket, and it isn’t like he’s missed an opportunity to draft someone spectacular, either. I think TJack’s been a decent pick considering all this; my only complaint is Chilly was a little too eager to, in essence, treat him as THE QB early on.

while DC is arguing coaching decisions. Is TJ a bust draft wise? Not really he was a second round pick and he’s still playing. I wouldn’t say it was a stellar pick but it’s not a bad one. No DC is stating the farm is in trouble because Childress won’t see that he needs some SERIOUS back up for TJ. Not some wanna be QB’s from a crap division or a 6th round reciever project. He’s talking a bonafied going to start in the NFL type guy. Next year could be a very bad year for the Vikes.and if it is, I expect many more bad years until we rectify our problem at QB.

I think we’re talking different chains of thought, LLV. I’m not trying to say that some specific guy was ‘The One’ and the FO passed on him. While I have my druthers and suspicions, I don’t claim to have better scouting reports and a better eye for the right fit, than Speilmann & Co (and I believe the right ‘fit’ is critical, you need more than an arm and a brain, you need a guy who’s natural style fits your offense or he’s going to be fighting against himself on every play). I’m saying that they didn’t even try. At one one of those guys had to be a decent prospect, but they chose to build the rest of the team instead. I think the QB position is hands-down the hardest position to get a quality, dare I say, franchise-quality guy in, but it’s also the most critical. To some extent, you have to take a chance or you’re not going to have much of anything. The FO has pretty much passed on it. How many top-rated QBs do you go through til you find The One? History suggests that a team will go through 2 of them on the road to finding The One. How many guys from the middle of the deck do you go through before you find The One? I have no idea, but I bet it’s a hell of a lot more than 1 or 2.

Maybe I should try a different analogy :) . The Vikings put all their QBOTF eggs in one basket, T-Jack, and the best new egg they’ve gotten since is Webb and he was a fluke. They really haven’t pulled any eggs from the Grade A shelf, they’ve been hitting up the Grade D shelf hoping that someone left a Grade A egg in the carton by accident.

If we get the Lombardi, I think we’ll all agree it was worth it, even if we go 0-16 next year (and thereby get a top draft slot!). And that appears, to me, to be the FO’s focus; go for all the marbles NOW. For what it’s worth, I also think it’s the right decision. They don’t have time to woo and mortgage and groom a QBOTF, I think they’re just as worried as we are that they might get moved out of Minny without a stadium, and the best argument for a new stadium and a commitment to stay is, 1) the Lombardi, and 2) lots of star-power in the ranks (e.g. Favre).

I hope I explained what I’m trying to say a bit more clearly.

I’m NOT going for the notion that there was no one else the Vikings could have gotten, that they did the best they could. Rather, I think it’s been a deliberate strategy, a choice, for a specific reason, and no apologies are necessary. These guys aren’t stupid, they aren’t being paid the big bucks to throw darts at the wall when it comes time to make a decision.

I’m just looking at the facts. Someone bought a lucky lottery ticket. Now don’t lose it before we cash it in.

I’d take Young over TJ because despite his ugly stats he just manages to win. Still don’t like Leinart.

All my life it seems the Vikings have used veterans near the end of their careers to QB: Jim McMahon, Cunningham, Moon, Favre… And the rare occasions where they’ve had “their” own guy (maybe Kramer, whom I barely remember, or Daunte), they’ve had enough inconsistencies where you can’t fully trust them.

Unfortunately, there aren’t enough young franchise guys to go around.