Favre Getting Injections For His Ankle; It Might Fall Off
by Ted Glover on Aug 30, 2010 7:26 PM CDT
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PrintWell, the Annual Brett Favre Season Ending Injury Story has made it to the press, and this season it's the ankle. Last year it was the shoulder, the year before the thumb, the year before that the...something.
Brett Favre's ankle the day after the NFC Championship Game. Allegedly.
And no, this is not a press bashing article, I promise. It is reasonable to discuss whether or not a guy that is 41 years old can make it through a 16 game schedule. But it is also reasonable to put Favre in a different category than just about any other athlete when it comes to stuff like this.
So let's look at both sides of the argument, shall we? After the jump. Just don't land funny, or you'll hurt your ankle.
Brett Favre has had a remarkable career, and it will be fun to watch him end his career with the Vikings...in six years and 11 retirements from now. No one really saw his 2009 season coming, because he was coming off of shoulder surgery. He started out strong with the Jets in 2008, then hurt his shoulder (well, bicep muscle, actually) and went into a tailspin. Everybody figured he was done--he was 38, had a significant shouder injury, and had lost his famous fastball.
Uh, not so much.
We know what happened last season, as his shoulder was fine throughout the season, and he put up caeeer numbers in what was supposed to be a Joe Namath with the Rams or John Unitas with the Chargers replay. Today, it's the ankle, and Favre questions whether or not he can make it through the season. Uh-huh.
In 1999, Favre suffered what he has called the worst injury of his career, a sprained thumb that just wouldn't heal. It affected him all season, as his completion percentage dropped below 60%, and the Packers stumbled to an 8-8 record. Some might say that could be just as much the fault of Ray Rhodes, but that's for another discussion.
In 2003, Favre broke his thumb...on his throwing hand...and played through it. At the time, I thought the Packers were done. They were 3-4, and heading to Minnesota. All he did was throw 3 TD's (1 pick) as the Packers beat the Vikes 30-27. He played with the broken thumb the rest of the season, and the Packers ended up going 10-6 and winning the division. At the time, it was frustrating watching him accomplish what he did with a broken thumb.
In 2004, Fave suffered a concussion in a loss against the New York Giants. Concussions are treated a lot differently than they were just five years ago, and if that happens now, he would most assuredly have to sit a week or two.
Last year, it was the shoulder. Which turned out to be fine.
This season, like we mentioned earlier, it's the ankle. Let me be clear: Any player, Favre included, is one play away from a career ending injury, but Favre' resiliency is truly unique. He has overcome several injuries which would have felled other quarterbacks or players. But what helps Favre with his ankle are a couple of things. Before I tell you what I think they are, look at this revealing quote to Peter King of SI.com (emphasis mine):
"I don't know. I have no idea, really," he said. "My ankle just seems to get easier to sprain. I know everyone thinks the New Orleans game [the NFC Championship Game] killed me, but it was bad before then. Now we'll see if I can make it. My mind's telling me one thing, but my body's telling me something else.''
There are two schools of Favre and his injuries. The skeptic argues Favre takes the injury, maybe overplays the severity it, and then muses whether or not he'll be able to make it through a season. The believer argues that Favre has an almost otherworldly constitution, and his tolerance for pain allows him, his desire to compete, and his inner drive compel to work through injuries that would sideline almost everybody else.
Just for the record, I think he plays all 16 games and has another great year. He hasn't missed a game in 19 years, although a lot of folks have been saying he would miss games for about 16 years now. I'm just not buying it.
And how will the year end? Hopefully, with Favre, Wilf, and all the Vikings hoisting the Lombardi trophy on the dais in Jerryworld. But at the end of the day, no one really knows for sure.
But I do know that no one, and I mean no one, is better at the Rope-a-Dope than Favre when it comes to injury.
Bring on the 2010 season.
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Jackson and Rosenfels
Keep both, even if it means letting Webb go.
Better to keep the vets on hand should they be needed, and never need them, then need them and not have them.
If it was any other year I would disagree w/you, (and I bet you would too)
But you’re right. This is the year where we can’t take the chance of losing both Favre and Jackson, and having to settle with a rookie #3 leading the offense in the PO’s.
I know the chances of the #3 QB playing are slim to none when Favre is in the line up, but we’re the Vikings and that kinda stuff happens to us. It’s best we come prepared. :)
get something for Sage... NOW.
keep the kid. damn the torpedos! full steam ahead!
… and stay healthy Brett!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 30, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
If we trade Sage
then get Gus Frerrotte on speed dial.
by medicineball on Aug 30, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Gus would do it too. That guy is crazy :)
The English language was carefully, carefully cobbled together by three blind dudes and a German dictionary.
- Dave Kellett
Jeff George!
As he has stated himself last year, he’s better than 75% of the QB’s playing right now.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
You wouldn't settle on a rookie #3 leading the team
You would sign a veteran to tide you over.
Nope
He is done. Period. I don’t believe for a second he will ever come back.
I’d rather not have to potentially rely on someone coming in and learning this offense from scratch in the middle of a playoff push.
I agree with chaosg, any other year you go with the young guy at #3. But with Brett’s frail body and Jackson’s injury history, we are frighteningly close to our 3rd string guy. I’d feel better with Sage than Webb or anyone we could get on the open market.
That said, I’d prefer if we can work out to keep Webb too somehow. The kid is too freakishly good of an athlete to not use somehow. If that leaves us thin somewhere else, I’m ok with it. Webb will not slip by on waivers (should have made him a WR when we drafted him like we said, we wouldn’t have this stupid problem).
by Cobra312004 on Aug 31, 2010 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
KFAN yesterday
PA talked about converting Webb to wide receiver. Right away, they saw that Webb just didn’t have the same quickness when he lined up as a receiver. They decided his true position was quarterback, and that he didn’t have a natural knack for playing wide receiver.
Everybody needs to give up on the “Joe Webb to wide receiver thing.” That will never ever happen. It just avoids the coming hard decision about whether to keep Webb.
Webb could fetch a 5th round draft pick from a Cleveland or Buffalo or some other AFC team. Let’s do what we have to do, and make the trade. I wish Joe Webb well, whatever team he ends up with.
by medicineball on Aug 31, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would we trade Webb?
Webb is our developmental guy with a heck of a lot of upside. He is worth more to us than a 5th round pick, so why trade him for a 5th?
I agree...
… keep Webb at QB. Trade either Jackson or Rosenfels. Assuming you can get at least a 5th or 6th round pick for them, or (better yet) trade for an active player (wider receiver or back-up O-lineman?).
Let’s be honest about those guys: they will, at best, be average QBs. Maybe, possibly, there is a chance Jackson could be better than average given his athleticism. But, there is also a good chance they will remain below average QBs. The chance that Rosenfels suddenly becomes a better than average QB, given his record, is zero.
Webb, we don’t know. There is potential, a lot of it, and he doesn’t have the experience. You don’t want him in the game now, but the sky is the limit when a guy is this raw and talented.
At some point, if Jackson and Rosenfels don’t just step up to become really solid starting QB’s, you just have to console yourself they are career backups.
Let’s not become like Bears fans, who still think Devin Hester is “developing” into a #1 wide receiver. After 3 years “developing”, you either are a #1 or you aren’t.
What about Arizona? Arizona must be desperate for a QB. They have the worst QB situation in the league, and I think either Jackson or Rosenfels would probably win the starting job. Could we make a trade with Arizona?
Is there any team with a worse QB situation than Arizona? I seldom know teams outside the NFC north well enough to comment and I don’t play fantasy. But who is more screwed at QB than Arizona.
Maybe Chicago with their “franchise” QB.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 31, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Another point...
… does anyone really think that it would be that hard to replace Jackson or Rosenfels? In a given year, maybe you can’t do it, but over time it should be possible to get a veteran guy in there. We aren’t risking much letting Jackson or Rosenfels go, but letting Webb go could be a massive mistake.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 31, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you on the Rosenfels side. I’m not sure I can agree on the Jackson side.
But I do agree on the overall point about Webb. I don’t think anyone really disagrees, really, that cutting him would be a risk we’d rather not take. The only question is, is it worth tying up a roster spot just to avoid taking it?
It might be worth it...
… no way of knowing.
But, the easy solution is to ship Rosenfels, or cut him.
I would keep Jackson because, in my opinion, there is still an outside chance he’ll be better than average, and his a better than average back up anyhow.
Rosenfels is taking up a roster spot and $$$ with little upside. He would be easily replaceable.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 31, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure...
… Jeff George was ready 20 years ago.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 1, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions
We all know that Eric Crouch turned into a great NFLer, just like other running quarterbacks. /sarcasm
by medicineball on Aug 31, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
We’ve been trying to develop T Jack for just as long just like Hester. I don’t think Jackson will ever be able to lead this team like a reliable starting QB should. He is the guy we should be trading (if anyone even wants him). I agree with most of the decisions that the Vikes front office makes but we haven’t been good with QBs for a while. Besides last year when was the last time we had a QB start for the whole season without getting benched?? While I love what Favre did last year I just fear too much that he will either get injured during the season or worse a very poor performance with many picks and bad relationship with Chilly.
On another note. Demote Chilly, promote Frazier.
by EventualChamps! on Aug 31, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You might be right...
… but Rosenfels has been around for a while too, and he can’t seem to even break in to a starting role anywhere. I would say QB is a different position than wide receiver and takes different kind of development, and a longer time.
At any rate, I would agree that neither is the QB of the future for us. I’m sure the team doesn’t think that either. I do think they will put significant effort into finding that QB starting after this season.
That’s exactly why they should be sure of keeping Joe Webb. Even if it is a long shot, he just might be the guy for us. The other two, T-Jack and Rosenfels, probably are destined to be career back ups, and we should only keep one of them (and I say T-Jack).
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 1, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
KW
is your newest DWTS contestant.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 31, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
lol didn't see this when I wrote mine
GOD NO!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I like the insurance
of having a guy that already knows the system.
Like I said, If it were a different year I would feel different, but lets keep the line up the same as last year.
What if...
… we could trade Jackson for an active player we might use now? Or Sage? Would you jump at that?
I would.
Let’s face it guys, this is our year to win it all. They should go all in this year. Starting next year, QB will be a huge question no matter what, and I just can’t think it will be a good situation next year.
If we could get a positional player, a wide out or an O-lineman or a safety, at least to improve our depth, for a Jackson or Rosenfels trade, they should do it now.
I feel somewhat optimistic this year, but next year …. I dunno… right now I would guess this is our last year with a superbowl window, and then it might take two or three to get back here again.
How long will Hutch be there? Pat Williams is done after this year. A lot of our starters are aging and starting to show it, too.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 31, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
… we could trade Jackson for an active player we might use now? Or Sage? Would you jump at that?
I would.
Yes. Ive mentioned a few times that working a trade with Rosenfels, and maybe even a DT to get some quality personal on the O-line would be a good idea.
Yeah,
I’ve mentioned the same thing many times. A lot of people seem to think that three of our QBs will have to play this year for some reason though.
by CanadianViking on Aug 31, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope not...
… but I wouldn’t worry about that happening, because if it did we are screwed anyhow, and then why not look at Webb?
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 1, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
If our top two went down I’d rather see what Webb’s got than watch Sage try and salvage a couple meaningless wins.
by CanadianViking on Sep 1, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Aging players
Isn’t that what many of us have tried to point out that many of your players are at the age they are declining.
That is what I said...
… but we also have a lot of real stars who are quite young, and not yet at their peak. I think that it could be like 1999 next year, where we went from being on top to having an off year, but then right back on top in a short time. Assuming we can fill some of the spots that will eventually open up.
I’m not aware of any team that doesn’t continually reload talent (except if you make a trade for Jay Cutler or Herschel Walker). All teams can lose guys for a season or for good through injuries and free agency, and so you have to draft well every year. I think we just will be in a position next year with lots of unanswered questions, and not just at QB.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 1, 2010 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you might be wrong on that date!
09/09/2010 the world ends!!
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
by jeremysherwin on Aug 31, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
For the Saints
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by Christopher Gates on Aug 31, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Rosenfels needs to go
not because he’s a bad option as a back-up plan, but because with our O-line issues I think we need a mobile quarterback. A pocket passer is going to have it rough this year with the Vikes. The play-actions will work, but having a guard go to center really makes everything difficult. Webb, to me, seems like a better option as a #3 or if Favre can’t make it a better #2. We will need to disguise our O-line until its completely healthy and clicking.
Which makes next years draft interesting. Our O-line will need to be drafting a future quarterback and a future left tackle. But for this year, If our O-line doesn’t hold up so well, a Webb like player can help it not hurt so bad. The defense is still going to be at the top of the board so play-offs should be the expected and a bye the goal.
SKOL
ding!
Webb is a departure at QB from the other 2 backups on the roster… raw athleticism and confidence in his ability.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 30, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
+2
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
You are right, Vikes need to wake up
Jackson is never going to be an elite QB. He’s a fine backup, but Sage is better. Keep Sage and cut Jackson. Webb is the young guy. Next season, if Favre retires, you go try to get someone decent to compete with Sage or you draft someone, while continuing to develop Webb.
This season using Webb as a change of pace QB would take plays off Brett’s ankle. I think it could be effective as heck and also give opponents some more to chew on.
Favre Vital Statistics/Character Traits
Name: Brett Favre
Class: Fighter/Rogue
Experience Level: 18
Age: Immortal
Alignment: Chaotic Good
Armor Class: 15
Hit Points: Don’t even ask
Strength: 14 (4 when using right arm)
Constitution: 18
Dexterity: 9 (3 when backpedaling after pass)
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 12
Charisma 15 (+3 when dealing with fans of current team, reporters after win,
or league bureaucrats; -10 everyone else)
Special Defenses: Fortitude
Special Abilities: Supreme Confidence
Special Liabilities: Indecisiveness, Supreme Confidence
Nemeses: Self, Ted Thompson
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2010 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Dammit.
Should read:
+4 when using right arm…
and…
+3 when backpedaling after pass.
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 30, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
And
-10 when throwing across body into the middle of the battlefield.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Fortunately
his right arm is a +5 Holy Avenger.
by medicineball on Aug 30, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to Football and D&D mix!
Like Peanut butter and Chocolate.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Or cement and mayonnaise
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
by Ted Glover on Aug 31, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This once again demonstrates the difference between football and baseball fans as a group....
… this joke kills on a baseball blog. Football blog? Mixed bag, at best.
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 31, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the offbeat humor
falls pretty flat on a football blog. Like Gwyneth Paltrow chest flat.
Sigh….
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Ankle Surgery
I had ankle surgery when I was 41, and that was almost 3 years ago now and it will probably never feel quite as good as it did before. Granted, I’m no athlete, but I do understand if the old gunslinger is having trouble trusting his ankle only a few months removed from surgery. But I guess he remains the Vikes best option to win, so you have to throw him out there and hope he makes it through the season.
It is hard not to like Webb, that kid is exciting if nothing else. Who knows if he could really become an NFL caliber qb, but with his athletic skills I think the Vikes better hang on to him somehow(maybe let Longwell do kickoffs and keep only one kicker??).
Remember, there are qb problems on the many NFL teams, like here in AZ. Warner retired(NOOOO, he’s not coming back….), and now the rumor is that the Cards are going to cut Leinart and go with Derick ‘big arm, no accuracy’ Anderson. So as much of a pain in the backside that Farve can be with all his drama, things could be worse.
Go Vikes! Start the season off with getting some revenge against the Saints!
I always love it...
when I read articles articles warning that the only guy ever yet able to start 309 consecutive NFL contests that actually counted is in grave danger of not making it through the coming season. I’d no more believe that than the story Mars will appear as large as the full moon tonight. Don’t those people have something better to worry over?
Try this one: Sorry Saints fans: Favre is a zombie.
“Darkness falls across the land. The midnight hour is close at hand. Creatures crawl in search of blood to terrorize y’alls neighborhood.”
by Elgar on Aug 30, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Elgar I liked that! REC'ed ya
You may be right on the zombie thing. LOL . If not he is one tough SOB. I like Brett. He still knows how to have fun. Good luck Vikes fans, after the Saints game of course. Who Dat !
by saints-fan-in-miss on Sep 3, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Just for the record, I think he plays all 16 games and has another great year. He hasn’t missed a game in 19 years, although a lot of folks have been saying he would miss games for about 16 years now.
Actually they’ve been saying it for 18 years. I feel alright throwing a piece of Brett Favre trivia in here, since this is pretty much a 100% Favre “can you believe it” thread:
When Favre was traded to the Packers in ‘92, Packer team doctors determined that he had a rare degenerative hip disease (the same one that cut Bo Jackson’s short), and failed his physical, which nullified the trade with Atlanta. The team doctor stated he would only be able to play a couple years. Ron Wolf (Packer GM) stepped in, found another doctor who would agree to pass him, and … the rest is history. I’m not making it up; google it.
What the heck, another Favre-is-a-freak-of-nature story, from wikipedia:
On July 14, 1990, before the start of Favre’s senior year at Southern Miss, he was involved in a near-fatal car accident. When going around a bend a few tenths of a mile from his parents’ house, Favre lost control of his car, which flipped three times and came to rest against a tree. It was only after one of his brothers smashed a car window with a golf club that Favre could be evacuated to the hospital. In the ambulance, his mother was sitting with him. “All I kept asking [her] was ‘Will I be able to play football again?’” Favre recalled later. Doctors would later remove 30 inches (760 mm) of Favre’s small intestine. Six weeks after this incident, on September 8, Favre led Southern Miss to a comeback victory over Alabama. Alabama coach Gene Stallings said, “You can call it a miracle or a legend or whatever you want to. I just know that on that day, Brett Favre was larger than life.”
by puddnhead on Aug 30, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Wow
I had never heard about this. Interesting, and pretty amazing.
by packallday555 on Aug 31, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I assume you’re referring to the avascular necrosis. It didn’t become public til 2005, amazing they kept it quiet that long, & it only made a ripple then. Just think all the additional gnashing of teeth in Packer circles about Favre’s future if fans had known since 92 he had a degenerative disease that’d presumably cut his career short! The “today vs future” controversy would have probably started with Hasselbeck — or even Aaron Brooks, Mark Brunnell, or Ty Detmer. Here’s a source fyi
And btw, this quote is one of the reasons I love Ron Wolf (like you or I need another):
Wolf had no second thoughts. "This is the guy I wanted,‘’ Wolf said. "They said four or five years. I didn’t care.’’
It’s this kind of stuff that keeps me hooked on this guy — I agree with Gene Stallings above, Brett Favre is almost larger than life, and I just can’t stop being in awe of him (even if I wouldn’t want to be him). Peyton Manning may be a better QB, maybe lots of guys have been & will be (maybe, maybe not, I just don’t even want to go there right now), but Peyton … is just not interesting, is not exciting. Hard to put a finger on, but though I’m sure he’s a nice guy (maybe nicer than Favre), he’s kind of a robot, right down to the seven identical sets of clothes he has (or at least had) hanging in his closet, each with a tag on the hanger with a day of the week written on it (no I am not making that up either — in college he actually had seven different sets of identical clothes and would wear new ones each day, just so I didn’t have to be bothered with figuring out what to wear). He is a football machine. He is not a football legend, a source of myth (lol, getting into Joseph Campbell territory here!) I suppose it also helps that I would see Favre around town in his early days, that almost-personal connection made him matter more in my world.
Favre I think of as a lot like Babe Ruth. Babe Ruth was not perfect, in fact Babe Ruth was annoying too, and Babe Ruth squandered a lot of his talent by partying and hitting the booze (at least Favre eventually grew up, more or less — the Babe didn’t). The Babe is frankly probably more fascinating for the tales of his life off the field, as for the amazing things he did on it. You are just that much more amazed for what he did there, when you know what else was going on, the obstacles he had to overcome to get there, and the obstacles he created for himself to succeed there. Babe Ruth was kinda screwed up, but had I been alive and realized what I was seeing was probably a once in a lifetime (my lifetime) character, I would have followed his exploits all the way to that very, very bitter end. That’s kinda the way I see Favre (on following him, I mean — I hope his career won’t end as unillustriously as the babe’s did).
lol, sorry, got a little heavy there :)
what, "garanimals" were too difficult? (yes, brett, the giraffe shirt goes with the giraffe pants).
he’s kind of a robot, right down to the seven identical sets of clothes he has (or at least had) hanging in his closet, each with a tag on the hanger with a day of the week written on it (no I am not making that up either — in college he actually had seven different sets of identical clothes and would wear new ones each day, just so I didn’t have to be bothered with figuring out what to wear).
maybe this explains his retirement indecisiveness, too.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
That was about Manning, not Favre.
by puddnhead on Aug 31, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ron Wolf was an absolute genius. He’s shown it time and time again.
I heard about that (the disease) when it came out. I can’t imagine in modern times with the media how it is now that they could have kept that secret. 20 years ago though, things were very different. Imagine ignoring something like that from a doctor and still giving them a 1st rounder despite knowing that he might only give ya a couple years. If the public would have found out about that, the Ron wolf legacy might not have survived!
There you go a hip surgery next year and a second Superbowl .
Get back on the bandwagon PAD555 . We are going to the Superbowl brother ! WoooHoooYa
You can’t get down right slutty info like this at APC . Give up that mold and mustard . It’s time to join the darkside . Hell ! In a few more years Aaron will win a playoff game and you can hop back . Help build that new stadium to rival Lambone and it’s Great Hall . I heard their Hall was built behind some Casino . Fitting ???
by gothicpurple on Aug 31, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Dammit, don't make me root for Favre!
"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter
OK, I meant this as a reply to puddnhead, but you get the idea.
"What I’m trying to say is that Lovie is an idiot. Let’s not forget this." --celerysalt, WCG commenter
rec'd
I knew of neither of those things.
And just for you who need to do some catch-up. Favre is the first grandfather NFL-er.
You sure about that?
George Blanda was 48 when he retired and had 11 children. Don’t know if he had grandchildren before he retired but there would certainly be a good possibility.
Is there a source for that?
We knew that in Minnesota for years . Where have you been ? Still a better dance partner than Jesus & Tebow .
Oh ya , speaking of Denver !!!!
by gothicpurple on Aug 31, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The only way Hell will freeze over...
is to get Satan on your side…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Aug 31, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
QB situation
Change BF contract to be a player/QB coach this year and a QB coach next year. Have him make an investment in these guys. Ask him who he would like to train, SAGE, TJ OR WEB. If at happened -- good bye TJ.
If TJ was cut then they can put him on the practice squad. He has a better chance of making it through waivers and SAGE or WEB. Does someone really want an easily injured, panic playing, irratic thrower of 4 years? Only our Chilli. But how embarrising would it be for TJ to clear waivers. Well he cleared free agency no one wanted to give up the 3 (or was it 4) for him.
Gothic Purples other account....
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Aug 30, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Laughable
Tarvaris would not make it through waivers. None of our QB’s would.
p.s. Jackson was ineligible for the practice squad years ago. But then, since you think he would clear waivers, I wouldn’t expect you to know that.
Yeah somehow I don't see any of that happening..
… first of all, I see no reason to think Favre would be a good coach. This is a guy who doesn’t show up for training camp. I hope the guys learn from him, but only by watching him play. I doubt he’d make a good coach. I also don’t see him doing it. I can’t imagine he would start coaching right now, or ever.
T-Jack, for all his flaws, would get snatched up on waivers almost instantly. T-Jack in the long term has a better chance of being good than Rosenfels does.
by HammeroftheGods on Aug 31, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m just not going to buy into the whole “there’s no way he can make it through the year” bid until I see it. The guy is a warrior. There’s no arguing that.
The real question for me is...
Can he make it through the year without getting injured to the point where him playing will actually harm the team.
Which is what I bet you are counting on… :)
Last year he was less mobile an look at the results .
His shoulder is a year removed from surgery . Second year in the system . Bugs worked out with Brad on playcalls (schism II) . Woulded . Emotional . Under adverse conditions . Those have always been the times that the Pack fans relied on Brett to work his Magic ! And he will . Starting September 9th , 2010 . But this time around he will be hoisted up on his Warrior’s shield and paraded for all the fallen to see . The Vikings . Known for taking all the women and the Gold . A old Hobbit named Farve and not Froedo might just find the time to stop and pick up that Ring . And end this miserable drought .
by gothicpurple on Aug 31, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
even if he wasn’t able to, I’d like to see someone tell him that he’s done. You aren’t getting Favre off the field. The only way he’s coming out is if his throwing are is torn off.
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grandpa clarification
he was not first grandfather to play…he was first to play in playoff games
then who was?
…the first grandfather? he was the OLDEST to play in the playoffs. that was last season. i believe he’s the first grandfather to play in the NFL period. no?
Strategy
Defenses talking about # 4s ankle is better than Defenses scheming to stop # 28 and # 12.
protest too much
Maybe I’m just getting too suspicious, but the possibility crossed my mind that the severity of these Favrian injuries is being embellished to lull opponents into a false sense of complacency. That probably isn’t the case, but it cracks me up to imagine Favre throwing darts at a poster of himself deciding what body part to complain about this year. All joking aside, I’m crossing my fingers hoping that his wonky ankle holds up. It might not be a fair judgment on my part, but I just don’t have a good feeling about Tavaris Jackson leading the offense.
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I was thinking the same thing what if all this acting like he’s still hurt is just a false to make them think he wont be as good!!!
or a built in excuse if he doesn’t do well (PFT’s angle)
i really doubt it’s “acting” that he’s hurt though. If you believe that, then you also have to believe either 1) he got an injection in his ankle before Saturday’s game for no good reason, or 2) that he got the injection is a big lie, and lots of people are lying along with Favre.
No, he’s hurt. I think we should just take him at face value that this ankle has been a problem for a long time, and it’s just escalated a little in severity.
No one knows
what will happen this year that is what the excitment is all about. I hope NO Saints get the calls on them they should this year. GD refs blew it last year.
I just got back from my first post op appt with my ankle surgeon
Last friday, he did a very thorough arthroscopy of my right ankle, taking out fragments of a bone spur that had broken off, the rest of the bone spur itself, a bunch of calcifications randomly growing in there to try to “fuse” the ankle, and a crap-ton of loose cartilage, all stemming from a major injury in ’03 and a first arthroscopy in ’05.
So the doc was happy with the outcome, but as we looked at those 3 relatively small incisions on the ankle, he did have to remind me, “Now those incisions don’t look like much, but remember, inside the ankle was a ‘real’ surgery, and it’s still going to need 8 weeks of healing.”
I reckon if Favre took it easy on his ankle for 8 weeks, it’s only natural that he’s still in the process of building it back up to a natural feel and strength. He’ll probably be a little tentative on it until he one day pushes it to its limit without thinking about it, and then goes “I guess it was ready!”
Either way, I’m sure he’ll not let something minor like his personal health get in the way of another football season. He’s Favre after all, and who needs vicodin when you’ve got CRAZY?
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I really want to believe that Farve can lead us to the promised land
but as a Cubs and Hawkeyes fan I have come to accept that we will always be just one step away. I can see it now, Favre leading the Vikes down the filed with 1:30 left in the 4th quarter, down by 4 on the 25 yard line and POW, he takes a shot and dies right there on the field and Tavaris Jackson then comes in to throw a pick 6 and the game is over.
Best of luck to ol’ Brett
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nice?
a vikes fan picturing Favre dying on the field? real nice. even if you’re trying to be funny – it’s not. idiot.
Thats not Favre's left ankle in the picture
unless he’s so awesome that his big toe is on the wrong side of his foot.
I noticed the same thing, but figured since no one brought it up,
…that people really didn’t care about the picture’s accuracy. The poor fellow in the photo above is wearing an external fixation device and is undergoing a painful technique called “distraction”, where they pull your foot down from your leg so they have a chance to get in the ankle and fix it up. I guess I’d find that device pretty distracting too.
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I know that
but why attempt a visual joke when the real pic of Brett’s ankle is available?
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