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Where We Take One Last Look Back At The Season Opener

So, the season opener has come and gone.  The Vikings, unfortunately, sit at 0-1 after opening night. . .not optimal, to be sure, but in no way is everything doom and gloom in Minnesota right now.  At least, it shouldn't be, anyway.  After all, the Vikings held the best offense they're going to see all season to two touchdowns, despite not having anywhere near optimal personnel on the defensive side of the ball.  Their offense also looked out of sync, which is something else that will change as the season progresses.

Starting with the positive, we'll look at the defense.  The Vikings went into this game with only three healthy cornerbacks, as well as a guy making his first NFL start at safety in Husain Abdullah. . .and he was rotating into a cornerback position against multiple-receiver sets.  This is not going to be the case all year, to be sure.  Chris Cook, who was outstanding in camp and likely would have started had he been available, could be back as early as our match-up with the Miami Dolphins, and it appears that Cedric Griffin could be back at almost any time, given the fact that his status was listed as "questionable" prior to the season opener.

Yet, despite those personnel shortcomings in the secondary, they actually played some relatively solid football after getting torched on the game's opening drive.  And, please, don't give me anything about how many opportunities the other team "missed."  Missed opportunities don't mean anything. . .if they did, the Vikings would have hung a 50 spot in last year's NFC Championship Game, and Thursday night's game would have been played in Minneapolis.  The fact of the matter is that the scoreboard says that the Vikings held their opponent to 14 points.  For a defense that entered the game as short-handed as the Vikings did, they held their ground much better than many folks expected them to.  When Cook and Griffin are back and the Vikings can move Asher Allen to the dime role instead of pushing him out there as a starter, the Minnesota secondary is going to be just as solid as the Minnesota front seven. . .and that's going to spell huge trouble for opposing offenses.

Star-divide

Speaking of offense, allow me to rave for a moment about the abilities of one Visanthe Shiancoe.  When the Vikings gave this guy a huge contract before the 2007 season, everyone kind of wondered what the heck was going on.  He was a guy that rarely got on the field for the New York Giants, and caught very few passes before coming to Minnesota.  And for the first year and a bit of his contract with the Vikings, he was a disaster. . .struggling to get open, and dropping way too many passes when he did.  But after the game against the Indianapolis Colts in 2008, a light came on in his head, and he's been one of the best tight ends in football ever since.  His TD catch on Thursday was his 19th in the last 33 regular season games. . .and, just as a reminder, the only two NFL players that have more over that time are Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss.  He was the only reliable target Brett Favre had on Thursday night, and made two outstanding catches to get Minnesota their lone touchdown.

Which brings us to the rusty, out of sync offense.  Rest assured, ladies and gentlemen, the Minnesota offense is not going to be this awful all season.  No way.  There's too much talent on this offense for that to happen.  Yes, the majority of this has to do with Brett Favre not being at training camp, and not having a couple of cupcakes to get himself asserted against first before moving on to the tougher challenges.  It showed in the fact that he was off on his timing with the receivers that were out there, and was somewhat apparent on the interception he threw. . .although, on that throw, the only way that Shiancoe getting assaulted could have been more obvious is if Jodie Foster and a pinball machine would have been involved.  That portion of things is entirely on Favre, to be certain. . .but the blame doesn't fall completely on him, either.

For example. . .what the heck happened to the running game in the second half?  I mean, other than us abandoning it completely.  In the first half of the game, Adrian Peterson touched the ball a total of 15 times for 74 yards (57 rushing yards on 13 carries, and 17 yards on two receptions).  He then carried the ball on the first three plays of the second half for another 20 yards.  From the 13:54 mark of the third quarter until the end of the football game, Adrian Peterson touched the football three more times for 10 more yards, and didn't have a single touch in the entire fourth quarter of play.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is un-freaking-acceptable.  And it happens with this team way, WAY more often than it should.

In the first two games of last year, when Favre was still getting acclimated to the Vikings' offense, Adrian Peterson had performances of 25 carries for 180 yards against Cleveland, and 15 carries for 92 yards against Detroit.  In those two games, Favre went 14/21 and 23/27 passing the ball, respectively.  On Thursday night, Peterson was still averaging around five yards per carry, and more often than not was picking up very good yardage when he got his hands on the ball. . .and our passing game clearly wasn't what it's going to be later on in the season, which one would think would have us running the ball more than throwing it.  However, inexplicably, that wasn't the case.

The best player on our football team didn't touch the football in the entire final quarter of play.  Try to wrap your head around this for a minute.  I mean, this isn't like Larry Fitzgerald or Andre Johnson going an entire quarter without a catch.  You can take away a wide receiver. . .you can't take away a running back.  Just turn around and hand the guy the damn ball, for crying out loud.  I'm not as anti-Brad Childress as I used to be, by any stretch. . .but this is one of those things that frustrates the hell out of me about him.  He falls in love with the pass, even when it clearly isn't there, at the expense of not giving the best running back in football the pigskin.

For the next two games, this offense needs to run through Adrian Peterson.  Not Brett Favre.  Maybe by the time the bye week gets here, the passing offense will finally be in shape and we can sling it around a little more, but right now the offense needs to slam Adrian Peterson at opposing people so the defense can get a rest. . .we saw them wear out at the end of Thursday night's game, and that has to be the exception rather than the norm.

Also, like many of you, I found the lack of Greg Camarillo on Thursday night disturbing.  The Vikings needed a guy out there that could find the open spots and get his hands on the ball, and that's what Camarillo does.  I know he and Favre don't have a lot of time together yet, and hopefully that will change, too.    And, please, if we're not going to put the guy out there as a receiver, put him out there to return punts. . .I'm already tired of Bernard Berrian and his Nick Davis-esque adventures back there, seriously.  Watching Berrian try to return punts is, to borrow a phrase, like watching Saimiri sciureus attempt to copulate with a football.  I know, Berrian returned a punt for a touchdown once. . .in the same game that saw Tarvaris Jackson throw four touchdown passes.  Yeah, tell me that lightning doesn't strike the same place twice.

So, there you have it. . .the season opener is in the books, and we can sit back tomorrow, fire up the ol' Sunday Ticket (if you have access to that sort of thing), and watch whatever games we want.  I know that I'll be looking at Miami/Buffalo to try to get a feel for next week's opponent, and there are a lot of other intriguing match-ups tomorrow as well.

And then, a week from tomorrow, we'll be ready for football from the Metrodome for the first time this year. . .and, hopefully, our first victory of the year as well.

But that's all for tonight, folks. . .enjoy what's left of your Saturday, and we'll have an open thread up here tomorrow morning for your football discussing pleasure.

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AD also should be thrown to on screens.

I agree AD is the best between the tackles, but he could be explosive on screen plays.

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 11, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree R4F i do think they need to keep feeding AP the ball more if you look at the first half with AP getting the ball more the O was more balanced AP was getting big chunks of yardage and favre was making his throws and we were winning at half! If we did the same in the 2nd half I think we win the game!!!

by cali viking on Sep 11, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can someone PLEASE explain to me...

WHY do the Vikings completely go away from Peterson at the end of games now? No touches for AD in the 4th? WTF are you kidding me?!?

It didn’t used to be this way. It seemed to start when Favre got here last year and started trying to take over the offense. Is that is what is going on? Is Favre’s EGO starving Adrian “THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NFL” Peterson of carries?

I seriously want to know what you guys think. If Favre / Chilly / Bevell are loving the pass and ignoring the run and Peterson this season is over. I’m sorry, but there is no way the Vikings have a shot this year unless the offense is 70% Peterson. He makes the D respect the run and hence opens up the pass.

The only thing I could think of is that they didn’t want to wear out Peterson too early in the year and hoped (incorrectly) that Favre could pull this game out. But they better realize FAST that Adrian is the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option right now and better be the focus the entire year.

by Ace991 on Sep 12, 2010 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one can tell you why they didn't use him more in teh second half

Because none of us can understand the wiley leprechaun. I think Childress wanted to lose this game so the pressure would be off the team! Look at a wonderful job he did at it to. Man the guy is a beast! Bevel, is the lap puppy of despair.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 13, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have got to see more screens.

I know the Saints weren’t blitzing very often on Thursday, but that’s no excuse. Peterson can make things happen on screens. He’s shown that he has good hands out of the backfield, and our lineman are athletic enough to pull it off.

Remember the game against Green Bay when Adrian put the entire team on his back in the 4th quarter? Apparently Childress does not.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 12, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gray skies are gonna clear up

I think you’re right, the things that were the most flawed in the Vikings game on Thursday night are going to change fairly soon. Favre will learn his receivers—the guy didn’t come out of retirement to lose and he’s going to put in some serious time with his receivers and with the film. And the secondary is destined for some serious improvement when Cedric Griffin and Chris Cook return.I can’t wait for rookie corner Chris Cook to get healthy and take the field again, he’s fun to watch and I have a feeling he’s going to get some interceptions this year.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Sep 11, 2010 10:51 PM CDT reply actions  

AND....

He’s tall! And he can jump! And he’s fast! I’m excited for Chris Cook too!

by gerkvoltage on Sep 11, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't want no short, short man :)

I know! How fantastic is it to have a tall corner? Must be like Christmas for Leslie Frazier. But then I’m biased toward tall guys—too many runty men out there.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Sep 11, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

REVENGE4FAVRE is 6 foot 2 inches :)

Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!

Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!

Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!

by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 12, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Three inches shorter than Maisbikkja ;)

Lol

California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!

by Maisbikkja on Sep 12, 2010 9:49 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Heja oranjie?

California Golden Blogs! "Woeojuwejhdjwe!!!"... But what does it MEAN?!

by Maisbikkja on Sep 12, 2010 10:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL :)

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
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by Skol Girl on Sep 12, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah being TALL makes you a better person

Wow I guess I shouldnt post here im only 5 ft 7 lol!

by Dynalee10 on Sep 12, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda!

Isn’t it amazing how the Saints fans that were giving us so much grief about we Viking fans taking the “If we hadn’t had 5 turnovers” angle are quick to jump on the fact that they missed two field goals and had other missed opportunities in the game, otherwise their their margin of victory would have been greater?

Yes, the Saints could have won by more but they didn’t. On the other hand, the Vikings could have won the NFC Championship by 3 TD’s. But they didn’t. It’s the way the ball bounces fellas.

Hope to see you all in January.

The Minnesota Vikings - Undefeated in the Playoffs at Lambeau Field!

by BaldViking on Sep 11, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions  

YES!

My two FAVORITE sayings: “Shoulda Woulda Coulda”……..and “SCOREBOARD.”

by gerkvoltage on Sep 11, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Sep 11, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

January???

Yup, I thought that too but we don’t know if they will make it…to meet us again.

Personally, I think I would like to see them in Mterodome for NFC championship game..you know..unfinished business and all.

Skol Vikings

by izziefans on Sep 12, 2010 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fat punk kicker...

… that missed those two kicks is a member of the Saints. Missed plays are missed plays. There are missed plays every game. Kicks are not any different.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 13, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just consider the game...

spotting the rest of the NFC one game.

by Mel Allen on Sep 11, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Can someone please explain to me...

WHY do the Vikings completely go away from Peterson at the end of games now? No touches for AD in the 4th? WTF are you kidding me?!?

It didn’t used to be this way. It seemed to start when Favre got here last year and started trying to take over the offense. Is that is what is going on? Is Favre’s EGO starving Adrian “THE BEST PLAYER IN THE NFL” Peterson of carries?

I seriously want to know what you guys think. If Favre / Chilly / Bevell are loving the pass and ignoring the the run game with Peterson, then this season is over. I’m sorry, but there is no way the Vikings have a shot this year unless the offense is 70% Peterson. He makes the D respect the run and hence opens up the pass.

The only thing I could think of is that they didn’t want to wear out Peterson too early in the year and hoped (incorrectly) that Favre could pull this game out. But they better realize FAST that Adrian is the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option right now and better be the focus the entire year. Please tell me what you guys think. This is ridiculous.

(sorry for the double-post, I just want to see what you guys think)

by Ace991 on Sep 12, 2010 2:29 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you

I almost threw my TV remote a few times in frustration during that 4th quarter. Pass after pass after pass. Incomplete, incomplete, incomplete. Punt. How in the God’s green Earth can the best player in your offense not get the ball in the final quarter while your only losing by 5 points? Totally unacceptable. And the most annoying thing is Favre and the coaching staff trying to con the fans by constantly telling us “We’re a run team, this offense goes through Adrian”. Bull.

by UK Viking fan on Sep 12, 2010 6:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can someone please explain to me…WHY do the Vikings completely go away from Peterson at the end of games now?

Poor coaching.

by d_fens on Sep 12, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you go to the play by play you will understand.

I explained the 4th quarter below. Also please remember that you had two new tackles in the game then. How effective do you think they would have been run blocking?

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by lifelongvike on Sep 12, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I “understand” it. They went to tired predicable play calls, and Favre couldn’t hit the broadside of the barn. After the saints scored it was, run, pass, pass, punt two the first two drives of the second half. So given the opportunity to adjust on the third possession? Run pass pass. Silly, just silly.

Now there is some blame to Favre for being 0-5 on third downs in the second half but seriously you have to take the ball out of his hand or call passes on first down mix it up.. Totally uninspired offense.

Also punting from the Saints 44 with 5 minutes left was idiotic.

by d_fens on Sep 12, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree with you d_fens, plus...
llv: How effective do you think they would have been run blocking?

if a finger injury causes your o-line to change personel and thus become inadequate run blockers, then it follows that they would become inadequate pass blockers as well. and since the pass game relies on decent blocking as much, if not more than the run game, then i can’t understand why chilly-bevell would not run the ball with more creativity.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 12, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cook is a very good run blocker that's his strength

Load was also getting abused by Smith. We were exceptionally lucky that the ref on that side was blind as a bat.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 13, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, if cook is good at run blocking, then why stop running?

yes, loadholt got worked. i’m glad you point that out….both pass blocking and run blocking.
i guess that means that our o-line is not in good shape.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 13, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree with the last part

At first, I was thinking “No, go for it!” but then I realized that the D could stop the Saints, because they had been doing a decent enough job of it, so it made more sense to let the D stop them and get the ball back with hopefully better field position and about 2 minutes to go, in such a close game.

If he had gone for it on 4th, and we didn’t make it, you probably would be in here saying ‘Ugh, that punt with 5 mins left was so stupid.’

by Frost on Sep 12, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hate to do this!

But i have to question fan hood,The people that followed the team through training camp know why A.D. didn’t get 30 to 40 touches Thursday night

A.D. injured his hamstring the 1rst or 2nd week of camp and spent most of camp practicing on a limited basis,Do you really think the VIKINGS were going to risk him injuring that hammy again by pushing him to hard in week one and possibly causing the injury to last most of the season.Kind of like what happened to B.B. last season.

C.G. is right with all the injury’s the team did a good job of competing against the defending super bowl champ’s on their field on opening night.

We will be a team to be feared when healthier i hope it happens soon.

Moving on to Miami ,GO VIKINGS!

by Bako- on Sep 12, 2010 6:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm sorry?
Missed opportunities don’t mean anything. . .if they did, the Vikings would have hung a 50 spot in last year’s NFC Championship Game, and Thursday night’s game would have been played in Minneapolis.

Aren’t you the same writer who argued “everyone knows” the Vikings were actually better than the Saints? Yet when misses happen in your favor it’s no longer the offense shooting himself in the foot, but it’s proof of how excellent your offense is?

This place really is something, it’s like no amount of warning signs about your offense, protection issues, pass defense issues, throughout the pre-season and first game, can even faze your self-assurance. I’m not sure if that’s great or silly.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2010 6:54 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

You Bastage

How dare you make fun of my favorite fiction writer.

"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG

by DrWhoDat on Sep 12, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you

And your fellow fans have members of your community that you should be running out of the place for idiotic reasons? (Hey, Gris Gris Man!)

Seriously, we’re done with your team and your fans. Nobody cares about your team or your city or Katrina or the oil spill or anything else.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 12, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The CSC blog must really suck since you guys spend so much time here :)
This place really is something, it’s like no amount of warning signs about your offense, protection issues, pass defense issues, throughout the pre-season and first game, can even faze your self-assurance. I’m not sure if that’s great or silly.

If you had payed much attention to what the DN’ers have been writing here, you’d have noticed that 95% of our attention is on problems that the Vikings have which need to be addressed, what those problems are caused by, what it will take to fix them. If we seem self-assured, why… it’s because we are. Perhaps you’re accustomed to fans who panic and run for the hills after a single 5-point loss, but we’re Viking fans. We’ve taken a helluva lot more pain than that and still manage to stand back up again.

I really do hope the Saints manage to make it to the post-season, so that we can meet once more. Should be interesting :)

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We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
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SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 12, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

CSC? I'm not a Saints fan

Just a bemused reader.

If you had payed much attention to what the DN’ers have been writing here, you’d have noticed that 95% of our attention is on problems that the Vikings have which need to be addressed, what those problems are caused by, what it will take to fix them.

I don’t really read comments, I’m responding to articles, which seem to spend about “95%” of the time angrily railing at how everyone hates or underestimates the Vikings, and all “analysis” invested in the team seems aimed at dismissing possible problems.

It’s just…interesting, s all.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just some random schmoe

Who thinks that Viking fans should be depressed and cowering in fear because they’re sitting at 0-1 after one week of the 2010 NFL season. I’m guessing that he also expected the Vikings to get rolled on Thursday night, and it simply didn’t happen.

We know what this team is capable of being. If nobody else does, that’s their problem, not mine as an individual or ours as a group.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 12, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh, insults. That's...uncalled for?

Did I say you should be cowering in fear? That’s called a strawman. Why do you feel the need to react with such vituperation to an imagined enemy? I’m only saying there are points that need analysis that this blog is not offering. I think your prosecution complex might be making you miss that. When after a loss all you can say is “we didn’t get rolled on, proves you wrong!” without even being able to identify the “you” that you’re talking about (I expected a close game, but it was more one-sided than I expected), is that really an answer to the fact that, y’know, you still lost?

Also you kind of react badly to criticism. Which is fair enough, but proves my point more than it does yours. Is this blog’s only function to kick angrily at anyone who dare whisper any criticism of the Vikings? If the answer is no, then why is that such a big focus of the frontpage articles? Why are you so angry? Who with?

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 12, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL @

prosecution complex

by d_fens on Sep 12, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that was great, too

Must be trying to imply that I’m scared of lawyers or something.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 12, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh

I hadn’t considered these great counter-arguments you guys are offering.

Man, have I ever been proved wrong here. Is my face red or what.

by Thomas Beekers on Sep 13, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you very much for your feedback

I will now give your comments the amount of attention and reflection that they deserve.

Okay, done. Moving on.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 12, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why Adrian didn't touch the ball in the 4th quarter.

How about we look at the facts. in the entire 4th quarter tha Vikings had two ( yes only two opportunities to have the ball on offense. The first series AP carried for three yds ( last play of 3rd quarter. Brett missed Shiancoe on 2nd down and then the Kleinsasser reviewed pass. Put that series on Brett’s innacuaracy or the Saints defense.

The next time we had the ball we made a first down passing. Good job offense. Then Loadholt got a penalty and it was 1st and 20. Are you going to run the ball? Do you blame a coach for calling for a pass? And who did we throw it to? Yes, thats right it was AP.
He made 3 yards. Then a pass to Lewis. Now its 3rd and 11. Camarillo comes within an inch of making a first down catch.

Then we never see the ball again. Oh yeah that is terrible play calling. Terrible.
Why not say the truth. The defense did not give us the ball enough in the 4th quarter to win the game.

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by lifelongvike on Sep 12, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

One penalty doesn't explain the entire second half.

Peterson gets six carries and one check down in five series. Favre starts second half 0/7 with a sack. Favre didn’t complete a pass on our first four drives of the second half and finished 4/6 for 44 yards on our final drive with 29 yards coming on Camarillo’s lone catch. You might be right about the second drive in the fourth quarter but not calling enough runs in the third quarter when Favre was struggling is not good strategy.

Truth is the way our passing game was going in the second half running AD on first and 20 actually would’ve made sense. Why did our defense get tired and unable to stop the run in the second half? Maybe, it’s because we barely ran the ball or got only two first downs in the second half. The truth in this game is that we chose to give Favre the ball in the second half instead of giving it to Adrian. This decision led to a tired defense that couldn’t stop the run and also led to us keeping our best player from having an impact.

So in my opinion the blame has to go to Childress, Bevell, and Favre for not sticking with the run when that’s what the Saint’s defense was giving us.

by CanadianViking on Sep 12, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK. Here is why I think your critism is unjustified.

Its not just you but many fans. The thought is that the Vikes used the running game to win the 1st half. Nothing is more from the truth. The real facts not some media made up imaginary fact.

1st half- We had the ball 5 Times.

1. Three runs = punt
2. 4 passes-two runs= Punt
3. 10 runs- 5 passes
4. 1 run- 2 passes= interception
5. 4 passes- 1 run = TD

Now just because we had one series where we ran more than passed does not mean we were not balanced. I’m guessing Farve audibled as much in one half as the other. I imagine that Beville and Chilly used the same offensive skill in each half. This whole “bad offensive scheme” theory is nonsense.
We got beat by a good offensive and defensive team. We are fine but still need to improve.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Sep 12, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry. 10 runs- 5 passes = FG for #3

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Sep 12, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree once again.

In the first half we had one run heavy drive that was successful and changed the momentum of the game and gave our defense some time to readjust. We had one pass heavy drive where Shiancoe made two big plays to get our lone touchdown.

In the second half Favre struggled against a defense that was dropping eight into coverage and we largely ignored the run after our first drive which ended in Favre missing on a third and four play. We didn’t take what the defense gave us in the second half which was the run. We passed ineffectively and had short drives that tired out our defense and contributed to the Saints running the ball so well against us.

You are correct that we got beat by a good all-around team but they made good adjustments in the second half and we got away from what was a good game plan. I agree that we’re fine but we need to ride Peterson early until Favre and our receivers get their act together. Both our viewpoints are opinion only and mine is just as justified and fact based as yours LLV. Please don’t call my opinion, which is as well thought out and supported by fact as yours, nonsense or influenced by bad media as that is not the case.

by CanadianViking on Sep 12, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they spent damn near the entire second half on the field

Vikings’ second half possessions

Drive 1 – 4 plays, 20 yards, punt. . .time of possession = 2 minutes, 6 seconds
Drive 2 – 3 plays, 1 yard, punt. . .time of possession = 1 minutes, 11 seconds
Drive 3 – 3 plays, -3 yards, punt. . .time of possession = 1 minute, 24 seconds
Drive 4 – 3 plays, 3 yards, punt. . .time of possession = 36 seconds
Drive 5 – 6 plays, 44 yards, punt. . .time of possession = 3 minutes, 38 seconds

Total time of possession in the second half = 8 minutes, 55 seconds

That means that the opponent had the ball for more than 21 minutes in the second half.

No wonder our defensive line “got their tails whipped” at the end. I’m surprised they could move.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 12, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice stat picture. this is a perfect reason why we should have run the ball in the 2nd half.

and llv claims that we have more than adequte back ups on the o-line. so, we should have been able to run behind them even without mcweenie. plus, ap gets most of his yards in spite of the mediocre run blocking anyway. (btw, if the o-line was suffering so badly due to a finger injury, then that means that our pass blocking was suffering just as much as our run blocking…so imo, abandoning the run due to a life threatening finger boo-boo does not make any sense).

in any event, running the ball uses up clock. we had th ball with 9:10 to go in the 4th quarter. we were down by only 5 points. we were in control of the game at that point. it was our game to win, (a td gets the lead…and we could even botch the extra point again). if we ran the ball, and threw short passes and kept the ball in bounds, then we own the clock, rest our defense, and could probably sustain a drive for a td. then we kick off the ball with little time remaining, and give our “rested” defense a chance to hold the lead…it is game and clock management…it is called coaching.

good coaching would have done this, imo. payton is a much better coach than chilly and bevell.
that was clear with their game time adjustments.

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by jethrophet on Sep 12, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

It almost seemed like another pre-season game

With the way the players were out of sync, and the weird, experimental stuff that Chilly was trying, like putting Berrian back to return a punt.

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by DCPurple on Sep 12, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I still maintain any success achieved continues to be in spite of Childress...

Yes, I must admit, at first I had my doubts about Shiancoe…but he has turned out to be a very good acquisition…and from what I see of Camarillo, I believe he will be instrumental to the Vikings’ success this year (when he sees more playing time!)…but, as for Berrian, the lackluster play far outweighs the few highlights…he simply is not a go to guy and he simply is not clutch…if Jackson can be had, we need to get him…once again in spite of what Chilly thinks…also, am I the only one that feels there is no creativity to this offense…I don’t care how many pro bowlers on a particular team, if the opposing defense knows your tendencies and you run the same plain vanilla offense, you’re not going to have optimal success…hopefully they will try to work in triple-option Webb for a play or two down the road…

by Pro-American on Sep 12, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions  

A couple of things

First, Bevell calls the plays. Childress listens on the headset. Childress has veto power. He rarely exercises his veto power over a playcall. Every Vikings offensive play has a run or pass option, with one of them primary and one secondary. Favre calls the play in the huddle. Favre can switch to the run or pass at the line of scrimmage. Favre can also call an audible.

Thus, if you’re going to blame anyone, blame Bevell.

McKinnie got hurt at some point in the second half. That may have been partially why the Vikings did not hand off to Peterson in the 4th quarter.

I completely agree that Peterson must get the ball in the 4th quarter. That is the point when the opposing defense gets more tired, and more long gains can happen.

By the way, Harvin apparently hasn’t learned to play outside receiver yet. He missed training camp. This is a problem, since both Camarillo and Harvin are slot receivers.

by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

By the way, it wasn’t so long when fans would get on Childress’s case for running the ball too much, and not airing it out enough.

by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you...

some blame has to go to Bevell…however, Childress seemed to be the main guy last year that did not like some of the audibles being called by Favre…I think you have to live and die with Favre…I trust his instincts and experience far more than Childress or Bevell…and I still believe the playbook could use a few more wrinkles to keep the opposing defenses honest…and it is Childress who believes that we don’t need another receiver…I think Harvin is a perfect slot receiver…why change that?…unless Childress knows Rice is definitely coming back this year sooner rather than later or at all, I don’t see why you wouldn’t mortgage a little bit of the future for the opportunity to acquire a guy like Vincent Jackson to help us win this year…unless Vincent Jackson is not the deep threat I thought he was…please enlighten me on that…but Berrian has certainly not shown me consistency as a deep threat..and we sure could use one as part of our arsenal…

by Pro-American on Sep 12, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

i really agree with all of your points here, for the most part.
and I still believe the playbook could use a few more wrinkles to keep the opposing defenses honest

yes, play-action and cut-back running are some pretty standard wrinkles i would like to see.

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by jethrophet on Sep 12, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’m surprised we didn’t see more play-action. I kept waiting for it.

by Frost on Sep 12, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about fielding punts...

…. I had read before the game that Asher Allen and Berrian were the guys we had for returning punts. If Berrian got the nod to do this, instead of Allen, does that tell you anything about how lousy Allen is at it? Or maybe not…

The only other thing I can think of is they were too afraid of losing a cornerback to a punt return with no one to back him up. Could you imagine if we lost a cornerback in that game? Holy crap.

So maybe Allen can do it assuming I’m right about the reason why he wasn’t. However, Camarillo seems an option. People point out he can’t break one, but I would rather have sure hands on a fair catch, or just a sure catch and a 5-10 yard return.

Berrian looked totally lost back there. Every single punt. Even when he was just fair catching, which was most of the time.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 13, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

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