The Vikings Are Bringing In Four Wide Receivers To Tryout. They Are All Terrible.
by Ted Glover on Sep 12, 2010 8:20 PM CDT
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PrintYeah! The Vikings are bringing in four guys that YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF to try and help out the receiving corps. Which is odd, because if the VIkings need any help, it's not there. Or, if they do need WR help, my first call would be to a few other options before what we have in front of us right now. Let me explain, after the jump, why bringing in these four particular guys will be about as effective as a Tim Brewster defense.
First of all, let's identify the big pile of 'meh'. They are Sam Aiken, Reggie Brown, Ruvell Martin, and Demetrius WIlliams. If they were part of the Seven Dwarves, they would have been named Crappy, Busty, Droppy, and Ouchy. If you really want to read more about them, intrepid Vikings beat reporter Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune has done a good job of putting as much lipstick on this pig as is humanly possible.
Seriously, do you guys think any of these guys are better than Berrian, Harvin, Camarillo, or Lewis? Hey, fat dude in the Gophers Hockey Jersey in the third row, that was a RHETORICAL QUESTION. DO NOT ANSWER AGAIN. Of course they aren't. But I do find it peculiar that both Brett Favre and Brad Childress described Thursday's offensive performance as essentially just needing to get timing issues down, then the VIkings turn right around and plan on working out four steaming piles of blech. It's not a panic move, not this early in the season, but it does strike me as odd. In all seriousness, I really do think that the issues between Favre, Berrian, and Harvin are just timing issues, and another week of practice and two winnable games (Miami and Detroit), they'll be fine. Just seems like an odd move. Unless, of course, someone is hurt, then I can see it for depth purposes. But that's it.
But if it is a move for depth and injury protection, there are a couple of options out there, so let's look at them, and try to figure out who the VIkes should bring in, if anyone.
Javon Walker: Seems like the really obvious choice to me. He looked good in pre-season, to the point I thought he might have made the team. But then the Vikes traded for Greg Camarillo, but I still thought Walker had a good chance to make the squad. He has the most history with Favre and the most experience in the offense, so why they wouldn't turn to him baffles me.
Vincent Jackson: Dear God, no. Jackson is already suspended three games, and another three after that because he didn't report to training camp. That's six games, or roughly 8 games before Sidney Rice returns. HA! THAT WAS A JOKE!! Uh, kind of. I think. Jay Glazer reported this morning that the Vikings were kicking the tires on Jackson, but I just don't see it being a good fit, especially if the VIkes want immediate help.
Randy Moss: He's not ever coming back. Get over it. If he does, I'll lead the parade down Hennepin Avenue. (Hennepin is where all the hookers still hang out, right? Allegedly, anyway. Yeah, Hennepin avenue it is, baby!!) I only mention Moss because I want to reinforce, for the 704th time, he isn't coming back to Minnesota. I wish he would, he'd be the perfect answer, and I get a tingly feeling all over thinking what Favre and Moss could do. But then I gets a sadz, and I realize that Favre to Moss is an uber fantasy that just...won't...happen. And I curse the Football Gods for making it so.
What About Cornerback?: A lot of folks think cornerback is a more pressing need than wide receiver is anyway. Personally, I think Cedric Griffin and Chris Cook will be ready to go, and I bet one of them suits up for week 2, if not both. Once they come back the leaks that sprung in the secondary will be a lot less frequent, and I think you'll see a secondary every bit as good as any in the conference.
So, that's how I see this move. I just don't get it, and I think there are better options out there that are more well known to the VIkings than they are bringing in.
And a good game on Sunday by Favre, Harvin, and Berrian, and this noise goes away quicker than Paula Abdul.
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Way to keep an open mind
and welcome a potentially new player to the team. I’m sure it helps that fans are so welcoming as the Vikings try to attract free agents who generally don’t want to live in the frozen northland.
Seriously
If this blog is the deciding factor on whether or not a free agent comes here, then they were looking for a reason NOT to sign to begin with. There’s better out there than these four guys, I just don’t see why the VIkes are bothering.
And I highly doubt that players or Vikings front office folks bother to look at this stuff. And if they do, shame on them for letting a schlub like me influence their decision.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Yeah, I’m sure players don’t read blogs. Their family members don’t read blogs. And none of them care about what fans say about them.
by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so let's say they do
And they decide ‘well, that mean old Ted Glover doesn’t like me, so I better not sign’ and pass up an opportunity to play with Brett Favre, then they’re talentless AND dumb.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Medicineball, quit being such a homer.
We don’t have to praise every move the Vikings make.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 13, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
or
We don’t have to praise every player that gets worked out. This is beyond homerism when you take issue with criticizing journeymen WR’s that we MIGHT sign.
Example fellas :
G. Camarillo , some would say why do we need a second slot WR . Then we hear he catches everything in site . Runs great routes . And is familiar outdoors in the AFC East . Key factor of the need to win Away on Grass . All of a sudden he seems to be a guy we all can warm to .
I don’t know which rock Ted has been sleeping under ? Probably Mrs. Ted . But I have heard of all these WRs . Most were bubble guysor the infamous fifth WR . I too don’t see a big need to bring in a guy for instant results . If G. Lewis is ment to be replaced for good make the call . It is more important to me to utilize the talent that we do have . Four catches by four WRs is unexceptable . The Saints were a 20th ranked Defense . We should have picked them apart . Even in the short passing game .
All that matters to me is Miami . They play in Our dome . With our Noise . In their second road game . And in a timezone that doesn’t suit them . Hell our whole coaching staff was probably at the game . They sputtered in Buffalo . So if Brett plays a bit better than Edwards (their QB) . We should fair well .Gerhart and C.Cook need to rest two more weeks .
The Jets our are only serious threat to Brett’s health .
Unless all those deliberate head shots that Packer defenders were throwing . And getting away with . Don’t get a review . Mathews is decidedly larger in the thighs , neck and shoulders . As I stated before . He will be one to watch . As he will soon get the gamer for HGH .
We need to consider J. Hartwig /OC . We are not getting the push we need up front . That is the key to success for Brett this year .
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right...
He’s terrible. Can’t catch in traffic and if there is defender within five feet it’s an automatic drop. Re-watch the saints game… get good.
...add #4 to the mix and see what you get... Championship.
by Macdaddy4508 on Sep 12, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't terrible in the Saints game
he didn’t get good seperation, which was frustrating, but you’re calling that one pass thrown to him his fault, then I think you need to go rewatch the game. Greer stuck his hand out just in time, it made the ball bounce funnily. I’m not going to hold that on Berrian, it was an awesome play by Greer.
He was played out of position .
And sucked in his routes !!
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
What about safety?
Hussain Abdullah? Tyrell Johnson? Madieu Williams? Samford? There’s gotta be something better available.
His name is Antoine Winfield. Why he isn’t playing safety blows my mind.
by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he's one of the ten best CB's in the NFL??
Just spitballing here, though.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
I guess I see safety as more valuable than cornerback. Additionally, we have some cornerbacks who are good. Especially once Griffin and Cook return. At safety we could use some help. Props to Abdullah playing his heart out though.
by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I will still maintain
That when he’s healthy and ready to go, Cedric Griffin would be an all-world safety if we put him back there.
Winfield and Cook at the corners, Allen and Sheppard as the nickel/dime guys, Griffin and someone else back at safety. . .I’d be afraid.
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 12, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Cook and Griffen
Both have the kind of body to play at strong safety. And Winfield could just because he is Antoine Winfield. Thats a lot of flexibility. Still would like another solid safety though to play opposite.
This lineup makes a lot of sense to me.
Griffin likes to hit and would bring some decent hands to the strong safety position. Hope it happens.
by CanadianViking on Sep 12, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what I do in Madden, mostly
Except I move Winfield back to safety too and put Sheppard in his spot. The difference in defense is amazing. If only Frazier would play me on Madden and see this, it might get his head-gears turning.
Winfield is one of the best TACKLING CB's in the NFL
is coverage is somewhat suspect
"It’s not arrogance, it’s destiny." -RKO
No
his coverage isn’t somewhat suspect at all. Well, maybe right now it is, because he’s coming off that foot injury, but I’ve never heard anybody question his coverage skills. He’s usually right on top of his man.
He will move... somewhere
I see a Griffin / Cook CB set with Winfield being moved to slot or safety in the near future. I was surprised to read elsewhere that Winfield said he actually loves playing the slot, saying, “that’s where all the action is”, but a move to safety? Not sure where he’d be on that. The point to me would be getting more of the best guys on the field at once, instead of keeping talented players stuck on the bench in backup positions. I actually like the slot plan for Winfield, as he’s been such a great tackler. Makes sense to keep him closer to the line to help on run plays, something I think he does as well or better than any CB in the league. It all rides on Cook. If he recovers fully and continues to show all that promise he flashed in the preseason, he affords the team some real flexibility they’ve not had for years in the defensive backfield.
He probably wouldn't like a switch to safety
I remember seeing a video where Ron Woodson is talking about his switch from CB to Safety, and he said it was very difficult to grasp at first. I can see him moving into the nickle back role though.
Last year, on an interview on KFAN with PA, Winfield stated he would like to play safety.
by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They said that about Sharper ?
I believe that Brad needs to play a more agressive style in his secondary . I blame it all on coaching on this one .
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Greatest headline ever.
And I love the Seven Dwarves crack! Seriously though, I’d take Jackson. My only problem is the talk that he wants a one year deal with a guaranty that the team wouldn’t place the franchise tag on him next year. My guess is he not only wants to lock up the long term deal he likely won’t get this year, but that he also doesn’t want to be stuck on a team with a big question mark at the QB position come 2011. He’s basically Sidney Rice, only even bigger. Not the high speed deep threat Berrian was brought in to be, but at least Jackson can be counted on to make the catches. I’d be very happy seeing him in MN if it mean having both Rice and Jackson as the wideouts for 2011 and beyond, With Harvin in the slot. That’s pretty formidable, and would go a long way toward convincing a high qaulity free agent QB to sign with MN, if any are available next year. And Moss? Totally agree. I can’t figure out why so many people are demanding a move there, when the Pats have never suggested he’s even available. Why would they get rid of their best deep threat when they just signed Brady to a monster extension? Not much good having a great QB if you’re going to get rid of one of his favorite weapons.
On Vincent Jackson, he seems like an egomaniacal player who lusts after money and doesn’t care about the final score. I wouldn’t want that kind of guy on my team, no matter how much natural talent he has. We want winners.
by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with the ego thing
But really — don’t ALL the good WR’s seem to have that? Seriously, I’m starting to see a pattern where WR’s are the biggest divas in the NFL. (Check out Moss’ bizzare meltdown today). My hope is that this is new contract posturing from Jackson, and not something that will be a yearly thing with him. I don’t recall him doing any of this before now. Maybe a big, fat extension will keep him only half insane for the next 4 years or so..
What bizarre meltdown?
Missed it. Was out all day.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
link to transcript in FanShots
I read the whole transcript. He seemed very lucid, calm, and professional. He basically had a simple message.
1. He is out to play “damn good” football this year.
2. For business reasons, he will not be offered a contract extension by the Patriots.
3. He plans to continue playing after this year.
4. He made the statement now to avoid contract-related questions later on in the season.
5. He wants to be appreciated. Not just by the team, but by his teammates and the fans.
Based on reading the transcript, that was in no way a meltdown. The journalists always spin it their way. I didn’t watch a video of the conference or listen to the audio. Maybe that would reveal a meltdown. Based on his words, though, I’d say it was just a respectable statement by someone who wants to focus 100% on football, and not be distracted by contract questions later on this season.
by medicineball on Sep 12, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know...
I find the whole thing nutty. “Randy – great game today. What do you think you guys did out there that allowed you to dominate the Bengals?” — Moss: “Let’s talk about me and my contract and my feelings for a looooooong time before getting into any of that game stuff.” It’s not what he said, it’s that he bothered to steer the whole Patriots v. Bengals discussion to a Randy Moss discussion. Totally inapporopriate in that context. Save it for free time interviews with ESPN. The guy was grandstanding when he had the most cameras and microphones in front of him. I’m quite sure his coach and teammates would have preferred a simple “no comment on that, let’s talk about our great win today”.
he's just trying to force the issue.
he wants a contract extention. he knows that their are some trade rumors going on.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
We need to go get him.
that was a cry for trade.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 12, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought so as well..
I am sure if he is available, we will go after him.
Not because Chilly wants to, but because Brett wants to and Brett gets what Brett wants.
They thought that of Douche ?
Then it all comes out . Seattle had to offer buckets of money to lure him away . They lost a big front office guy over the issue . Teams and players know by now that this Ziggy fella is nobody to mess with . He is the kind of businessman who gets what he wants . When he wants it . Some big named QB’s will get big bucks next Fall . As Ziggy is willing to pull an Al Davis . He showed the NFL community that he is willing to spend 20Mil for a QB . Remember when Brees was hunting ? He didn’t love New Orleans ? They proved that they would cough up 10Mil/year for an unproven shoulder surgery . Who’s proven QB will Zigmund steal away by dangling the 20 Mil/carrot out there ????
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Reading between the lines
The Vikings already know what Javon Walker can do. They might be trying these four out to see if any are better than Walker. They’ll go with the best one of the five.
Hopefully, we get Moss in a trade this year. I can’t wait until the offseason to get Moss. We need Moss now.
Guess I'm weird
Not only have i heard of Ruvell Martin, but I actually noticed when the Seahawks cut him, and wondered if the Vikings might sign him as their needed bandaid. Call me a freak I guess.
I've heard of all four.
None are ever going to be stars but three of them could challenge Lewis for the fourth spot or fill the hole at 5th receiver. Demetrius Williams is awful though and there’s no use in even looking at him : )
by CanadianViking on Sep 12, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Think Packers. He was on the Packers for a short time
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Sep 12, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
misread what you wrote. wow puddin relax man
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Sep 13, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
i just took as "uh yeah, do you think im stupid" anywhoo, i got it now
and will read stuff a tad slower lmao.
by SeanInEauClaireWi on Sep 13, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
well maybe I am a little impatient these days
I have grown increasingly tired of the “everybody sucks, our coaches suck, our players suck, hell even our future players (the ones we are thinking of signing) suck!” mantra around here lately.
Then you put on top of it that certain prominent people here want to say that everyone associated with our OPPONENTS suck too, and … I kinda wonder why some people even watch NFL games, if everyone on BOTH sides of the field AND sidelines are all so terrible?
you suck too!
j/k. I agree there’s been a high level of suckitude™ lately
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 14, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Sam Aiken
played well in New England. He was the name the stuck out to me most of the four. I would really like to see this signing, but the thought that keeps popping back into my head is this: Week 7, our receiver depth will be Rice, Berrian, Harvin, Camarillo, (Aiken?), Lewis…there’s talking of going after Vincent Jackson… Do we trade away a WR when Sidney gets back? Maybe Berrian? Waste money on Aiken/Ruvell/Vicent Jackson? Idk, this is a mess to me. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
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by bleedpurple426 on Sep 13, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe we need somone out of the slot to play receiver
Camarillo was an interesting pick up but he’s not going to play on the outside. Putting Harvin out there is taking away a lot of his ability to create plays. I think we’re looking for a second receiver right now to fill in for Rice. We’ll see what happens. Whoever is signed I expect them to be playing week to week and when Rice gets back they will most likely get let go. If they impress though maybe we lose Lewis instead.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Competition?
Maybe the front office is just bringing these guys in to show the WRs on the current roster that their spot isn’t guaranteed. AKA telling them all they need to PLAY BETTER!
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Roster spots and being "thin"
The Vikings are thin because of some dumb moves they made, who needs wide outs and punt returners when you have weapons like Dugan, Tahi, AND Schuler!
No harm in trying to find a diamond in the rough
Sometimes all that’s needed is a change of scenery or a great QB like Favre to ‘turn the switch’ on a player – worth a shot, even if its a long shot
by Loki The Viking God on Sep 12, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions
just a thought here...
what if a deal is in the works for v-jack or moss, and part of the deal includes the vikes sending one of our receivers to either the chargers or pats (so that they can replace a receiver on their current roster this year).
so, if we give up a receiver to get a receiver, then we still only have 4 receivers on the roster. thus, if we get another receiver, we could round out the rotation to 5 receivers (and then probably cut the receiver if/when rice gets back).
then again, since we only have 4 receivers on our roster, maybe the vikes simply want to add a 5th receiver to give us more options.
of course, this is just speculation…as the recent moves have been real head-scratchers.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
only problem is, who is going to take berrian's contract? it's expensive for what you get.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Amen Ted
I’ll go with option E, NONE OF THE ABOVE.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 12, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
One quick correction
Tim BreWster is the awful coach in charge of the Gophers, not Tim Brester. Sorry, I’m Technical Writer by day, I had to. :)
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 12, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
I took out the 'W'
Because he can’t find one against SD. But yeah, pretty obscure joke there. Fixed.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
There is the rare chance one team's trash is another team's treasure,
but you never can tell unless you check it out.. It does not cost Zygi a fortune to bring in wide receivers who have been cut in order to confirm that the people whom other teams have set out with the recycling bin are indeed not better that anyone whom you already have. It only takes one discarded gem to make such an effort payoff.
Sure, it’s not likely that some team is going to cut a Randy Moss or a Larry Fitzgerald, but enough people have made a fortune finding historicial treasures at flea markets that doing it is worth a shot. Mother nature does not assign creatures to extinction just because they look funny. Every creature gets tested.
Neither should you automatically flash big bucks at a Housmandzadeh or Vincent Jackson because they’ve played some good football. Such guys are likely not playing for some reason as well
by Elgar on Sep 12, 2010 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
With you
I just don’t get the premise & tone of this post, the ridicule. Only one of those three guys is available right now (despite Ted using the plural in “better options” to imply otherwise). Say Walker is the right choice, and say the Vikings are planning on going that route, even so what is wrong at looking at other options too? I’d say there was something wrong if we didn’t look at them. Vikings have the first practice since the Saints game today. So nothing much could have happened before this date anyway. And Vikings have Tuesday off before beginning prep for Miami on Wednesday. Bringing in options on Monday to at least explore as an alternative before making the final decision is a smart move by the FO, not a dumb one. If we do reject them & go with Wlaker as ted suggest is the “obvious move,” what is lost from the process? one day of practice for Walker, which is not a big deal since he was in camp for 2-3 weeks, and the team does not start prep for the Miami game til Wednesday anyway.
Sometimes I feel like these articles are being written more for dramatic/stylistic effect, than to present thoughtful, rational POVs.
Agreed .
If we didn’t even consider other options . Then his bitter post would read . " Why didn’t we even try ? "
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The problem is...
Favre won’t be here for the long run, and Webb at WR for 1 year would maybe make a big difference. Especially considering the WR we have now.
If you are expecting Webb to be a #1 wideout
which is really what Favre needs right now, it’s not going to happen. If you dislike our current reciever’s timing and routes, then Webb’s would just frustrate you to no end. I think it’ll be better for everybody if we just trade for a WR who’s used to being a WR and leaving Webb to focus solely on his QB skills. Let him soak up as much as he can from Favre.
Has happened ?
But not with Brad around ??
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What, was Leo Lewis busy?
Seriously, I agree with adding depth more than a (costly) splashy move at this point. I think this is a situation where you put your personnel people to work to try find a guy. (Seems like certain teams are more adept at getting outstanding work from “nobodies” more than others—the Saints and Colts come to mind—but there’s more to a quality pro personnel department than just throwing money at known commodities.) I also wouldn’t mind exploring another rare player-for-player trade and seeing if they can tap into their DL depth and snag someone. But it’s impossible to speculate on names.
In the meantime, they should be able to handle Miami and Detroit at home with what they have. (And if not, maybe they have some other problems besides WR). It seems sensible to me to add some depth, bring them up to speed up into the bye week, and figure it our from there, when a Rice return could be more on the horizon.
And for those really on the ledge, consider that in 2006, Chilly’s first year, the top WRs on the Vikings were Travis Taylor (57 catches), Troy Williamson (37 catches), and Marcus Robinson (29 catches). I think we’ve seen worse recently. Of course, after one game, none of the Vikings WRs are on pace to match those hallowed heights, so maybe not.
The problem with comparing it to '06
is that we’ve already SEEN what this offense can do. We are now hooked. We want more results like that, because it took us so tantalizingly close to a Superbowl for the first time in over a decade. I don’t care that we had crap recievers in the past. I want our CURRENT WRs, who I know can do better than the effort in N.O., to stop playing like those ’06 recievers.
Slurpin' up the Purple Crack
You may be on to something there :)
I would LOVE to see all our guys step up, and based on their known ability, there’s no reason in the world to think that they can’t be at least competent (yes, even Berrian). The issue looked to me more like, 1) Favre having time to wait for someone to get open, and 2) Farve and the WRs being on the same page. The only one that the WRs have any impact on is #2 and I think that will come. I don’t expect anything spectacular from Berrian (hence my wanting him replaced by someone who will provide spectacular speed, should such a paragon of fleet-footedness [or at least great hands] zip onto the scene), but I do expect that Berrian can do an alright job once he and Favre are moving in the same mind-space.
On the other hand, why not bring in everyone, including Obama’s aunt from Kenya, to see how they measure up to what we have? Give the Viking scouts something to do with their time, maybe a gem will turn up. Besides, I’d pay extra to see Obama’s aunt from Kenya out there catching Favre-rockets and outrunning everyone to the end-zone :)
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From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
As long as none of them are named Troy Williamson...
I think whoever wins be fine for a 5th WR.
by DonBorvio on Sep 12, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They're trying to save money.
The FO believes in the 4WR’s they have.
The guys they’re bringing in are competing for the #5 slot, and that slot is temporary.
They’re not looking to sign a big name guy before the 2011 season. If they were, they probably already would have….IMO
Run blocking
Not to be that guy in the 3rd row, but perhaps these 4 guys are such great run blockers that Childress can’t help but add them to the roster. I know that Ruvell Martin is one of the best run blocking WRs in recent editions of Madden.
Yes, he is known as a fairly good blocker, and also is a good lockerroom presence. Also he is tall, 6’4", and has experience in both WC & with Favre himself (which fits in with needing someon to plug in ASAP). But shhhh that doesn’t fit in with the theme that all four are terrible.
He is not gonna be great. But if Vike fans think there are great receivers just sitting on their sofas at home right now who are also eligible to play, they are going to be sorely disappointed no matter what is done. I mean, look at Ted’s list. One guy who is not available, one guy who is not eligible to play until midseason, and one guy we already took a look at and decided against. For anyone who ridicules looking at these guys … I’m sorry, they have to come up with a better list of altertnatives than that.
Demetrius Williams
is also a big guy and probably a good run blocker, too. Reggie Brown is an ex-Eagle, of course, and I know nothing about Sam Aiken.
Call me crazy, but that list of 4 (at least the 3/4 I know about) makes perfect sense. I don’t understand why Walker wasn’t kept, but whatever.
Fear factor
No, no, don’t hold back, tell us how you feel :) I’m with you, I’m not sure what the Vikings reasoning is sometimes when they bring in players to work out. Wasn’t it last year that Kluwe had a bad game and the following week they brought in a couple kickers to work out? They didn’t sign anyone, but it almost smacked of a threat. Maybe they are just trying to scare the receiving corps into a better performance. Seems to make as much sense as anything else.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
This is no melt down/Moss is making his move...
I don’t know why everyone thinks the Patriots are better with Moss. The Patriot’s haven’t won a Super Bowl since they got Moss back in 2006. Before Moss they won what,3 Super Bowls…I might be a little bias but Moss is a much better fit with a bunch of rag tag, ego manic, lazy,vacillating, drama queens like the Vikings. even when the Pats had their almost perfect season in 2007 Moss was there to tempt Brady/Bilichech to throw desperation pass’s to Moss hoping to hit the home run instead of their trade mark side line dink and dunk that won them their three previous championships. I think there’s more going on in Fox Borough then meets the eye. If you listen close to Moss’s post game presser today he say’s" people here want to see me fail" and “this will be my last season with the Patriots” but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to play football anymore…“I’M NOT GOING TO RETIRE”
or anything I mean I’m still gonna play football…Listen Moss has plenty of money the one thing he doesn’t have is a ring. look around the league right now what team out there has a very good chance to go to the Super Bowl and are in need of a marquee receiver yet has plenty of other weapons on their offense so they won’t be too heavily dependent on Moss that the opposing defense’s have to double and triple team him. Hint it ain’t the Patriots and please don’t mention the Packers and the Super Bowl in the same breath their Swiss Cheese secondary and Offensive line will have them battling with the Lions for the cellar in our division. The writing’s on the wall Moss see’s the window open and he knows the opportunity is now and the Vikings have mad it clear to the public that the ownership is willing to bend for elite players and they want to win now. Moss want’s in but first he has to get out and what better way then to be a distraction and he knows Bilichech don’t play that game plus the Viking’s got what the Pat’s need and that’s great defensive back ups that can make their defense a lot better.If the Jets walk all over New England’s D next week look for a deal to get done soon after. This makes sense for both teams in fact I think in the long run the Pats get the better deal. Why is this so hard to believe I mean getting Farve last year seemed like a pipe dream but look what happen. I think the way Ziggy has catered to Farve is appealing to Marquee players like Moss who like to be catered to…Life is good in the Ziggy hood…
Minus one key factor Dr .fix ?????
A guy who can throw it 70 yards 10 times a game to utilize his speed .
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
lets just run more
we were 1 score down the whole game . yet we ran 7 times second half. running the ball in second half wears the d out . thats what the saints did and ran the ball to a win. peterson is great why not lean on his shoulders til favre has his mojo going with the wide outs .
At the beginning of the second half we were not down
We were up. AD should run the ball 40 times a game :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
and he gets injured if you do that
there is a mountain of research that shows that once a back goes over 375 carries in a season, the injury rate skyrockets. not just that year, but in years to come. I want this guy to be a healthy beast his whole career, and riding him like a rented mule will not let that happen.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Sep 13, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
ruvell martin
Has good hands, blocks and runs good routes. He just doesn’t have any speed.
by Big10freak on Sep 13, 2010 5:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
That's the equivalent of
telling your buddy a girl is funny and has a great personality when you’re setting him up on a blind date.
She’s ugly and won’t put out, but by God, she’ll laugh at your stupid jokes.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
by Ted Glover on Sep 13, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would rather see them bring in 4 Offensive Linemen to try out
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Randy Moss Rant
Geez, give the guy some money so he can dress decent!
The Minnesota Vikings - Undefeated in the Playoffs at Lambeau Field!
Give Gregg a chance and fire Chilly
First of all I really dislike Chilly he looks lost and quite predictable on the offensive side. Let me put it this way it was only part of the WRs fault for a horrible start against the aints. In the first half we were so worried about brett getting hit and we ran a max protect 2 wr set 95% of the time. How can you expect to open up the passing game when the saints were able to provide safety help over top of the 2 wrs and allow the LBs to sit in zone coverage when we didn’t run. I also wonder why AP stopped getting the ball. He look awesome againts 7 in the box every play and still managed to be productive. Again we would be a lot better without chilly. ANother thing not only did Javon look good in preseason, how bout Logan? It seems like either one of those would be a better option than the 4 outcasts.
Yeah it seemed that the way the game was unfolding
was to keep feeding AP the ball. He was really making some good runs, and as the game wore on, the offensive line generally gets the upper hand, and the 4 and 5 yard runs might have become 9 and 10 yard runs, with the possibility of a big one.
That would’ve forced the Saints to either bring more men in the box, or start blitzing. Either way, they would have had to have come out of that two depp zone they were playing, and it would’ve given Favre and the receivers some serious one on one matchups which I’d like to think the Vikes could’ve exploited.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Did you notice ??
As Peterson gets to 20-25 carries . Brad just shuts him off .
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if it was that
or panic setting in.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Logan Payne?
Why were so many people high on that guy? The little I saw of him he couldn’t catch a friggin cold. Maybe I just saw his low-lights.
Bring Walker back.
Saw enough in preseason to say he should take the spot currently occupied by Lewis.
Harvin, Camarillo and Walker……that could be the starting 3. Berrian can spell into the slot if need be. Speed guy, a possession guy, and someone to come across the middle. Berrian could fit the speed model if he knew how to get separation. Fast without separation = lack of skills at this level.
I can’t stand Berrian. Favre has no confidence in him, for good reason. He looks great when the coverage is blown or CB falls down, otherwise he just can’t get open.
by Arsist on Sep 13, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Problem is both Camarillo and Harvin play the slot
Moving them outside isn’t using them to the best of their abilities.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Jackson won't be a Viking.....
and it has nothing to do with the suspension. There is no way we pay what he is asking as long as Berrian is on the roster.
Simple . Trade him to CHI . for Hester .
Damn it ! He can’t even run back punts any more .
by gothicpurple on Sep 13, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to comment on the CB situation...
Our next two games are against Miami (run-heavy) and Detroit (crap-heavy), followed by a bye week. I would love to see Cedric and C-Cook get to 110% and come back ready to bust heads in Week 5 rather than next week. With our safties CB positions against the saints, we allowed 14 points and one passing TD… I think we’re good against Hennie and Stafford(?) at home.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Sep 13, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
We got lucky that game
don’t use it as a basis for how our defense will do in the future. The Saints should have, at the very least, hung up 20 on us. The defense didn’t stop them from scoring so much as they stopped themselves half the time. A wide open Meachem isn’t going to drop the ball in the endzone very often.
Haha had a good laugh at the (crap heavy) comment.
by packallday555 on Sep 13, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to comment on the CB situation...
Our next two games are against Miami (run-heavy) and Detroit (crap-heavy), followed by a bye week. I would love to see Cedric and C-Cook get to 110% and come back ready to bust heads in Week 5 rather than next week. With our safties occupying CB positions against the Saints last Thursday, we allowed 14 points and one passing TD… I think we’re good against Hennie and Stafford(?) at home.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Sep 13, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
walker, by my own rankings is the number 3 or 2 WR on the team.
its percy then mello/walker then berny and good ol greg
But you still put Percy in the slot where he is most effective
and Walker on the outside
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
no doubt about it
putting percy in the outside is going to hurt the team more then help. that is why i truly believe that we should make a play for jackson. And maybe even keep him for a while, this is a guy that is a inch taller than Sidney and half a second faster. That constant threat of going up for a jump ball has to scare DB’s. Plus it would make any QB look like a god.
All about the $$$$$
I just don’t see the Vikes putting that kind of cash up for Jackson with Rice on the squad and Berrian making what he does.
Now if we for some reason are going to lose Rice after this season, then getting Jackson is a no brainer.
Well this may all be much ado about nothing
From StrTrib:
The Vikings are expected to bring in four veteran free agent wide receivers (Sam Aiken, Reggie Brown, Ruvell Martin and Demetrius Williams) for a look on Tuesday. Coach Brad Childress, though, did not make it sound like any would be signed immediately. “We actually had those shaped up in the middle of last week,” Childress said of the workouts. “It’s a thing that we do every week. We usually bring people in to try to get a look at them. We’ve had numbers of people through here to look at, whether it’s the offensive line, whether’s it’s in the secondary. We’ll bring guys in I think tonight for a workout tomorrow. What it does is it gives us a mind’s eye picture of what those guys look like should we require somebody down the road. And it’s just not wide receiver might I add. It’s not the only people that are coming in here.” Childress said he remains “completely comfortable” going with four wide receivers.
4 receivers, YES
He just doesn’t say which 4!
Maybe we are looking at a return man?
Anyone see any good returns thursday night?
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