There's A Feeling I Get When I Look To The West
by Christopher Gates on Sep 16, 2010 1:12 PM CDT
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PrintUPDATE: ESPN's Adam Schefter is reporting that Jackson's suspension will be four games if he's traded to another team, and six games if he remains with the Chargers.
San Diego Chargers' wide receiver Vincent Jackson has been available in a trade for, basically, the entire off-season. He made it clear that he wasn't going to sign anything that the Chargers offered him, and was hit with a three-game suspension by the NFL for violating the league's substance abuse policy.
However, there has been some debate over whether Jackson's suspension is three games. . .or six games. This is because he's subject to an extra three-game suspension due to the fact that he's on San Diego's "exempt" list, since he didn't show up for Training Camp this year. The NFL feels that Jackson should have to serve those sentences consecutively as opposed to concurrently. Jackson, obviously, doesn't feel that way. Today, Jackson and the Chargers are scheduled to sit down in front of an arbitrator to determine the final outcome of these suspensions.
The rumor mill is saying that the two parties may be working something out where Jackson's suspension could be reduced to "four or five" games, which is still more than the three Jackson is shooting for.
What does this all mean? Well, a few weeks ago, an "unnamed team" was said to have worked out the details of a one-year contract for Jackson's services, but the two teams were unable to come to any kind of trade agreement. That "unnamed team" was thought by many to be none other than our very own Minnesota Vikings. Presumably, the Vikings would attempt to make such a deal under the impetus that Jackson would be suspended for three games. Jackson could then come in after the Vikings' September 26 game against the Detroit Lions, spend two weeks with Brett Favre and company picking up the offense, and be ready to go for the Monday night match-up against the Jets in Week Five. If Jackson's suspension ends up being four or five games, I would think that Minnesota's interest in him would wane a little bit.
However, if the Vikings can acquire Jackson's services for a third-round pick. . .or, possibly, even a second. . .man, the thought of three-receiver sets with the 6'6" Jackson lined up on one side, 6'5" Sidney Rice on the other, Percy Harvin patrolling the slot, and Visanthe Shiancoe at tight end has to make most Viking fans feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it? Liberally sprinkle in some Greg Camarillo and Bernard Berrian, and hey. . .who can cover all that?
If the two teams work something out, we should know the results immediately. If they do end up sitting down in front of an arbitrator, said arbitrator has five days to make a decision after hearing the particulars of the case. If we hear anything, we'll update this story for your viewing pleasure. In the meantime, feel free to discuss the merits of a potential Vincent Jackson trade right here.
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Hopefully it gets lowered to 3
And we have a shot at picking him up. Warm and fuzzy indeed.
If we did acquire Jackson, I don’t see how they can still hold on to Berrian, unless he agrees to restructure.
Bring him on in.
It’s no secret that the window of opportunity is probably getting filled in with cement after this season. I think we’ll have to overpay Jackson, especially for only twelve (or so) games, but we gotta do it. I made the case for him over on my other Vikings blog. When Rice comes back, that is one helluva receiving corps!
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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 16, 2010 1:27 PM CDT reply actions
Time to play Spielman
If it’s only a 1 year deal through 2010, I’d give up a 3rd round pick. If he stays 2 years, a 2nd round pick, and a 1st rounder for 3 years. That would seem fair. My concern with the rumored one year deal is that they’d have little chance of keeping him in MN in 2011 with only Joe Webb under contract at the QB position, pending a big splashy move for a new veteran QB next year before Jackson signs with a new team.
I should add:
It has been reported that if Jackson can’t get the big long term contract now, he wants assurance that his new team won’t use the franchise tag in 2011, allowing him to sign anywhere next year. For that, I wouldn’t want to see the Vikings give up too much in draft picks. Another report suggested a deal with conditional picks sent to San Diego based on whether Jackson resigns in MN after 2010. That sounds like a good option.
i differ a little...
i say don’t get him unless we get him for 3 years minimum, fair salary, spread bonus money out / no big front loaded gauranteed money. then, don’t give up any pick higher than a 3rd rounder. then i say, let’s just give them berrian, straight up (and no picks). otheriwse, i think this guy has shown too many red flags for my taste, and i would rather pass.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
if he signs with another team
4 games suspended otherwise if not signed 6 game suspended.
So if we trade, we should wait after the Chargers 4th game on Sunday.
Then we get him when he’s cleared and on our bye week.
Net effect = 3 games
Not sure if that would break any rules though??
i don't think we could count our by week as a suspension game.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes, please
Come on Vikes, please dont let this one get away. The teams needs a player of his caliber that can step in and give Brett a player to throw to that is better than berny. As you can see, i like jack.
Oooh, it really makes me wonder...
(What I mean of course is that I heard that street musician mangle this number just yesterday by the trolley stop near Fisherman’s Wharf in Frisco, and I really wonder why Jimmy Page has not put out a contract on that dude, but then (this being a football blog), I digress.
Yes, please kill the Packers. Whip up a contract that will likely exceed the period the VIkings play in Minnesota. Serve the Pack a nice, juicy double helping of Jackson with Rice. Assign Jared to be an AA sponsor. We can do this. It might actually work.
“And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter.”
Whip it, whip it good.
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I don’t know about this. If he’s so great why doesn’t San Deigo pay him? Why would the Chargers a team in the Super Bowl hunt not go out of there way if he’s so great? If the Vikings could get him for what he’s worth than I’m sure the Chargers would have been able to work out a deal with him. It sounds to me he’s more concerned with his lifestyle than playing football???
You have to remember
Chargers GM AJ Smith has an enormous reputation for being stubborn about things like this. Fans there will tell you he routinely cuts off his own nose to spite his face. Getting rid of Schottenheimer for Turner, Jackson, etc.
I’ll have to trust you on that one I don’t know much about their organization. But…do we really want to go down that road of we got get this superstar at all costs. For example the Redskins or Raiders. I thoght the Vikings looked really good last year they have a great bunch of guy’s and the chemistry seems to be there. I think they’ll do just fine with Rice, Shank, Percy and the rest of the boys. Why bring in some high dollar “hot shot” they didn’t need him last year they just needed to hold onto the ball.
That's the problem
Rice is still on CRUTCHES. It is only an optimistic view that has him back in any capacity this year. A semi-hurt Rice would be more 2008 than 2009.
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right
It’s not realistic taht Rice will back 100% this season. It makes my heart sink to admit that. He’s was amazing to watch last year. I’m confident that the Vikes know what they’re doin. They make the right decision on this.
I don't mean to poop in the punch bowl.
But rice’s injury is called a femoral-acetabular impingement. That means the head of the femur and the hip socket are grinding together causing excess friction and often inflammation. This type of injury is career threatening of not treated (which he did) and can often lead to premature arthritis as well (once again, if left untreated). The fact he took care of it now means he should heal up 100% sometime, it is just a question of when.
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I’m not a doctor; I don’t play one on TV, and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I do live in a housing development established by A. G. Spanos, so let me try to explain the family feud.
The Chargers are crawling with wideout talent. Albert J. Smith is not the sort of guy you want angry with you. The bottom line is sometimes things get way too personal.
Sure. Jackson does have a downside, otherwise, there would not be any real chance of such a trade ever happening. But stories about people being indignant about sending the three wise men down to Mississippi to kiss Favre’s fanny are all told by those envious of the results of such transactions, which are a clear and present danger to their favorite franchise’s future in the playoffs.
Proceed with caution. Perform due diligence. But just because a food fight broke out in California does not mean earthquakes will ensue in Minnesota.
.... and Ziggy is...
… buying a ticket to the Superbowl?
Let’s hope so. Sounds like a good idea to me, given our situation. Unless he is a distraction or ruins team chemistry, this might make the kind of “critical mass” we had last year, or perhaps even better.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 16, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
this just popped up on yahoo...
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Jackson can play in Week 5 if he’s traded
By BERNIE WILSON, AP Sports Writer
44 minutes ago
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SAN DIEGO (AP)—The NFL and the players union have agreed that San Diego Chargers holdout wide receiver Vincent Jackson(notes) can play in Week 5 if he’s traded by next Wednesday.
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The agreement helps clear the way for Jackson to be traded, provided the Chargers can agree to terms with another team.
The agreement essentially rolls what could have been a six-game suspension into four games. Jackson currently is serving a three-game NFL suspension for violating the league’s substance abuse policy.
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Additionally, the Chargers placed him on the roster exempt list, meaning he’d be suspended for three games once he signed with San Diego. Jackson’s side felt he shouldn’t have to serve that suspension if he was traded.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Vikes have the bye week 4 so he can still play for the Vikes week 5?
Does it depend on the date of the trade?
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
i read an article that interpretted that the vikes by-week would not count for a suspension game.
but, that wasn’t totally clear, it was journalist interpretation.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Before we go crazy with draft picks
I certainly want to know what our new QB is going to cost. A high draft pick? A player or two?
I love what Jackson brings to the table but he is a very expensive, high risk, short term solution to a half season injury issue to Rice.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
D McNabb
Because, I admit he isn’t a Tom Brady, but he might just be the best possible option next year and beyond. I could live with McNabb, AD, Shank, VJAx, Sid, Percy, and ’Rillo. (Let Berrian leave)
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't assume only a half season for Rice
Childress has already made clear that Rice can be evaluated after 8 games — not necessarily cleared for play. He also pointed out that they might very well need to place him on season ending IR at that time. Furthermore, there could be some bargaining strategy going on here — make the Chargers think that Rice is coming back this season in the hopes that they’ll take a better price on Jackson in trade. I’ve seen plenty of speculation from national media sites that Rice’s injury is the kind that could very easily cost him the whole season.
Let me stir it up a bit .
Option A : Randy Moss was set to be traded from New England to Green Bay for a third round pick . Randy wanted extended years . And offered up his current $20 million /deal to get it done . Brett offered $3 million of his own to swing the deal . Green Bay countered by offering only a two year/deal . Moss didn’t move . Currently Moss has a contract ending this year .
Option B : Vincent Jackson with a new 4 game suspention . Still being arbitrated to three possibly if traded because of team violation for not signing . I see Seattle . Then Minnesota . Then St. Louis as the top three bidders . Rumor is that Percy’s hip injury may help ramp up the Vikings interests. Will the new guru in Seattle make the same mistake as the last by out bidding the Vikes ? Pete Carroll would in my opinion . As for the FO we will see . Vincent’s start price is 6yrs/60 million . He lacks bargaining power in this . I see Seattle in the front seat on this one . They would pay a heavy price to obtain him . We may pay 3-5yrs/ at around 9M/yr with a heafty bonus .
Moss on the other hand would demand less up front . Nicely fit in the #2 spot later . And have a more reasonable deal . As Brett’s mysterious 3million extra could be transferred .
Both options are do-able . Both would secure a bid to make a run at a superbowl .
On a side note : Green Bay is interestd in Lynch from Buffalo . They turned down someone elses 2nd rder and a player offer . Will GreenBay come to their senses and give up a 1st rder for another troubled player . I love how the storied franchise has truely taken a Fall from Grace in my eyes .
Hrm
1) Moss only has about 2-3ish years left max. While the Freak he is, he’s getting up there.
2) V Jax is a 26-year-old pro bowler and an athletic freak at 6-5, 230. More upside if, like Jared Allen, he gets his drinking under control after moving up north. I
I side SLIGHTLY with 2 as a higher ceiling, with 1 being very close behind. Keep in mind Moss’ availability is still dubious at best right now.
…As mentioned above..
QB- McNabb
RB- Peterson
TE-Shank
WR- V Jax, Sid, Percy, Rillo
Try to stop that.
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade b twice straight up and sign mcnabb next year
by Tswing on Sep 16, 2010 2:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
We were going to use the third we lost in the Gerhart deal for a WR in the last draft .
McNabb signed . A future QB in the next draft . And a WR and TE too . 2011 maybe a more offensive draft . And don’t be suprized if Guion is Heir apparent to Pat .
McNabb
Is a UFA next year. He only signed his 1 year RFA with Wash.
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The Redskins did not sign anything stating they would not make keep him
by hook or by crook. They can still keep him around if they pay the price, and he can do nothing about it.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
No new CBA, no franchise tags.
If that is what your referring to. But I think McNabb likes it out East and that team is not cheap when it comes time to pay.
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Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
An unrestricted free agent in a year with no franchise tags?
He is free to go wherever he wants, no strings attached.
But, if he does well in Washington, I don’t see him leaving.
by Bjorno on Sep 16, 2010 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Even though you made that up
I would have to say that apparently they think Gerhart is a fabulous receiving RB.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Stay the course...
“And if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last, when all are one, and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll.”
Whatever that means.
Ok- lets assume Rice goes on the IR
How do you justify High draft picks for Jackson unless he signs a long term deal? If he signs a long term deal at 10 Mil per year you limit your ability to sign your other players and to get the QB you have your eyes on.
Yes, McNabb, Vick, and Peyton Manning are available at the end of the year, now. But I doubt any but Vick will be there at the end of the year.
If we are going to draft a QB high in the draft we need draft picks. I’m just not sure I want to give them up for a troubled WR.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
We gave them up
for a ‘troubled’ DE. So far that came up smelling like roses.
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
True and we gave up the draft pick that selected Joe Flacco.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Effing great.
Percy did not practice today (hip) and declined to talk about status. Lovely. Why does it always seem one position gets hit hard with the injury flu?
by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 3:16 PM CDT reply actions
Because life is a multiple choice test where none of the answers are correct...
So take your pick:
A) It’s a peculiarity of the human mind, which attempts to put even random events into a cause and effect framework in a sometimes futile attempt to understand the cosmos and get a leg up.
B} It’s a result of wideouts making frequent trips through linebackers and corners who are paid to deliver punishment.
C) A Rolling Stone gathers no Moss.
D.) None of the above.
E.) All of the above.
F) God Hates Me
…I think.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 16, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
+ 12
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
What ever adds more muscle to this year's team
is what they need. Brett showed last year he can take this team to a Super Bowl if he has quality wide outs to throw to. Get Jackson in there and work him into the system.
Favre is done after this year and the QB situation is a big question mark. Take advantage of it now while you have a future hall of famer slinging the pigskin and get him some playmakers to throw to.
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by Jepp The Viking on Sep 16, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Sideways Nore
Let Tarvaris throw to Vincent and create the Jackson Window to go along with the WIlliams Wall. The marketing people will aimply eat it up, because they don’t believe in reality.
and it goes on-We do NOTHING about a long term problem
In the meantime Mark Clayton, who we could have gotten on a castoff salary had an outstanding week. With Favre throwing to him his new life as a WR could have been more dynamic and less expensive than a Jackson trade while giving immediate help.
Really! What are the Vikings thinking?
Cris Carter should come in and work with Barrian and teach him not to listen to footsteps. If you are going to get hit , take the 1st down and go down. The YAC’s will come at the right moment-not every catch. So catch it , go down and live to see another play-while actually making a play
All in means ALL IN!!!
get this guy now!!! Who gives a rip about next year right now. With players demonstrating solidarity like they did opening night, who knows about next year anyway. Who knows if this team will be moving. Who knows if Favre is done. Assuming next year will be played as scheduled, this team will undergo major changes, that much is certain. A no brainer people!!!
The only window that is closing is the QB window.
We still have the AP window, Rice window, Harvin Window, Allen Window.
Pat Williams is wonderful but the replacements look solid.
I don’t mind that we get Jackson. I just mind if it cost us the chance to open a new QB window.
Our front office has done pretty well judging free agents. I’m sure they will make a complete examination and do what they think will be right for the team.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre will not come back next year
with the lockout looming, another year of playing, etc. He looks like a man going into his last year that wants to go out like Elway.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 17, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions
elway wanted to go out a winner....favre looks like he wants to go out getting paid.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
he's gotta show more than he has. elway wouldn't pull the stuff favre did.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
So Favre isn't a winner?
See above statement.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
no, i mean i think elway wanted to go out like a winner...a super bowl champion.
i am not convinced that favre has that as his top priority. i think last year he just wanted to prove he could still play, stick it to green bay and see how far he could go. i think this year, he just wants the money, to pad his stats, and to not be considered a quitter….but i think he competes every time he gets on the field and that
he “playyys to wiiiin the gaaame” (read in herm edwards’ voice).
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Honestly this is a tough decision
It would be easier if we had an idea on when Rice would be back if he can be playing in 8 weeks then this looks more bust than must, if he isn’t coming back at all then this looks like something that should be carefully looked at. Also, if we do this trade we cannot trade Berrian to the Chargers. Just cannot happen. We need two outside receiver threats and currently we have one. Cam and Harvin are both slot players which is great but I think we’ll be seeing vastly reduced output when they are forced to play against CB’s. We need two a real #1 and #2.
The other problem I’m having with this idea is I don’t now how Favre is really feeling with his receviers because he’s not on the ball yet. If he was on the ball and then I would feeel better making this choice. Will he find a rhythm with his current players? Won’t he? Can he even without a legitimate #2? These questions need at least an attempt to an answer before anyone can make a real deceision. Hell for all we know Jackson could come over here and be a total bust.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Brett has found a rhythm with his receivers each and every year.
He has made his receivers better each year. He can certainly del witha little adversity. Its the fans that have trouble dealing with it.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is our year...
Next year we lose Favre, but that also means we lose his big contract and open up salary room. The only real question we need to ask is does adding Jackson make us better. If that answer is yes, pull the trigger.
but we have a lot of players to re-sign after this year, too. it's not so easy.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I may be alone in this but...
I would trade a tough year resigning players for a Super Bowl Victory.
You could be trading for 3 or more bad years.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 16, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be worth it...
… easily. This is year 50 for the Vikes. This is 40 years since 1970. No Superbowl wins. I might trade a decade of mediocrity for 1 Superbowl.
If you look at the Vikings, there are going to be a lot of major changes coming. Who really feels like Bryant McKinnie is going to be the guy for much longer? Pat Williams is done. The defensive line still can be good. But we need to rebuild the offensive line, if not next year then soon. Plus the unsettled nature of the QB. We very likely won’t have a “franchise” QB next year, or not one ready to lead a team to a Superbowl.
It’s gotta be Superbowl or bust. Of course a Herschel Walker type thing could happen. But we can’t mortgage too much for it.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 16, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
i just read that ray edwards doesn't think he will play for the vikes after this year, too.
he said that the team has other players to re-sign and that he is not a priority for the team. i’ll bet he knows he can get bigger money elsewhere because the FO has to pay several people with new contract money.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
okay...here is a crazy WHAT IF 3-team trade scenerio:
chargers get : berrian
patriots get : vincent jackson
vikings get : randy freaking moss
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
by jethrophet on Sep 16, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't the Vikings have a New Moral Code of Conduct for all Viking Players and Personnel?
Minnesota “Love Boat” Incident, Wizenator is a Vikings Player gear to mask use of drug use. The two Williams who were innocent of using steroids, but still were going to be suspended for taking a over-the-counter product for reducing water retention, that had a unmentioned chemical agent that could mask steroids in a urine test.
Before the drug testing, I remember the era when Viking Players were always in the news for drunken driving and exceeding the speed limit……
This is suppose to be a new era of players with high moral standards, and a sense of honor!
We do not need players who try to bend the rules or break the rules, no matter how talented they are……
Minnesota Vikings deserve better players that can play in the NFL without cheating…..
Everyone we meet in life give us happiness, some by their arrival, others by their departure!
The Vikings are in the business of running a football franchise, not giving out the Man of the Year awards. Brett Favre was once a drunk, wrecking cars in Metro Atlanta. Jared Allen was once a drunk, driving autos around KC. Redeption has to start somewhere.
If the Vikings don’t go after the Lombardi Thropy now, there may well be no future for any Minnesota Vikings, and all the preclaimed moralistic crowd within North Star land will all have to find someone else to kick around in their sermons or move to California.
by Elgar on Sep 16, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
6'6" Vjack? 6'5" Sidney?
Vj is listed as 6’5" and Sid is listed at 6’4" and I am suspicious of Sidneys 6’4" listing as it is.
Look at any image of the 6’2" Favre next to Rice and tell me he is really that tall.
by Bjorno on Sep 16, 2010 5:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Forget about it
For the greater part of a week, I’ve read from many of the posters in this thread that Favre and the receivers have some rust to shake off, so why reset the clock on that by bringing in someone brand new? I would not expect VJ to perform at the same level as before, both for the lack of time in the Vikes’ offense and for whatever got him suspended in the first place. SD is selling on VJ, and so should MN.
The only reason I would think about it
Is because Rice may not be back tell week 8-12 or at all depending on this heal time. We really have no #2 receiver (or don’t have a #1 receiver if you really don’t like Berrian) Lewis, Cam and Harvin are either not outside receivers or don’t have enough speed skill to sell the position anymore. Favre likes toys, Jackson is a very good toy. I think it would be impressive to have him this year. I would however not trade Berrian or Rice for him as then it degrades how much picking him up will help us.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I can’t think of one instance of a WR being traded to a team after the season began and being productive that year. Can you? WRs simply aren’t plug ’n play players.
Camarillo is a decent possession WR who could start on the outside. Berrian is still a good deep threat. Harvin is an excellent slotback, but he could switch places with BB if needed.
I would need to see the team struggle for another game or two specifically because of the WR play in order to seriously want a trade for VJ. I think the Vikes will be fine (2-1 going into week 4 vs. NYJ).
...which would increase the odds "Minnesota" and "Vikings" become disassociated
There are many issues involved in the looming CBA lockout, and some of them are between various owners, not just among labor and management types.
If Zygi Wilf sincerely hopes to keep the Vikings in Minnesota, he has to shoot for the moon, since shooting lower, he’s likely to fall short.
If the big market guys reduce subsidy to the small market guys, and the voters in the state with the loon as its bird are allergic to public funding of a stadium, then Zyg’s choice becomes: Do I want to become an unsuccessful businessman in the Midwest, or is it better to become a successful business man and sell to those guys way out West?
Enriching the talent helps get you somewhere he may want to go, whether you are staying or selling.
The come-to-Jesus meetings need to commence. Vincent Jackson needs to see his salvation does not lie in drunk driving and cross exchanges with management. Minnesota needs to realize that you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
Favre knows how to use a big, tall guy who can catch and is still young enough to make separation. Unlike the general public, chemical engineers understand chemistry as a science. The veteran magicians tend to know how all the tricks are performed.
Hmmmm
Nothing really good to base it on, but I don’t have a good feeling about the Vikings pursuing Vincent Jackson. The guy is a nice, tall target but there are a few bugs in the system.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
If we do as well
As we think we are going to this year,offer up our 1st round choice (32),10 mill to V.J. play 1 year with option for him to sign if theres a playing year,with a poison pill that any trouble nixes his deal.So he signs with us plays 2 games gets a D.U.I. we done paying for him.Works for both partys involed we get a deep threat and said deep threat gets keep nose clean and shop his Talents.We dont sell the farm and bust the bank,if theres no football next year we cant afford to draft a Q.B. that might sit a year.We better off with T.J. that situation.
Please explain to me......
how paying Jackson 6 to 7 million for one year is any worse than throwing an additional 8-15 million at Favre (including incentives) which is also ostensibly for one year of his services? Yes, there are not future draft picks involved with Favre, but, that is it. Remember, we can reclaim draft picks via trade after this year as well. By not making this deal, there is a VERY realistic chance that we are going nowhere THIS year. My gut tells me they are going to make this deal. They have done nothing to bolster the receiver corps, other than bring in 4 schlubs to work out, probably to decoy AJ Smith in to thinking we have other plans.
I'm sure it'll sound like negativity but...
I just can’t see us going out and doing this deal. The Vikings never seem to move quickly in these types of situations OR they never seem to do what appears to most everyone else to make the most sense. Granted that’s not to say that they (the Vikings) don’t have some inside info, either, but it does get frustrating when you see other missed opportunities turn into good deals for the teams that were smart enough or quick enough to buy into them (Ladainian Tomlinson anyone?).
I hope they get Jackson, it could really help us out and in the long run if he decided to stick around but who knows what’ll happen. I honestly thought that Walker did really well in the two preseason games I saw him play but they ditched him too so go figure. :(
If a trade is made........
before next Wednesday, his suspension would be retroactive to game #2, making him eligible for week #5. My question is— would the Vikings week #4 bye count as one of the 3 games of his suspension? I would like to see him take the field against the NYJ, if for no other reason than to tie up Revis for the game. Should he put up numbers, that would be a bonus, considering a few weeks of preparation.
No sad to say it doesn’t count so he wouldnt be able to play untill dallas sorry Mel trust me I wish!!!
Why
are no other teams showing interest in this guy? Is he a problem in the locker room and off the field? If they wanted headaches T.O was available and Vick looks pretty good too! What the hell, maybe Zygi could get an early parole hearing for Burress, he’s like 6’4". I’m not saying the guy isn’t talented, just curios why no other teams are lining up to scoop him up. Oh, and do people really think that New England is going to trade Moss? Really?? Why would a legitamite SB contender get rid of one of the best deep threats in the league? Maybe next year we have a shot at getting him but this talk about him coming to Minny this year is just a big ol wet dream.
being a Vike Fan
is about dreams and hopes,each week we sit around our T.V.s pray to the football Gods for a win,curse Chilly to hell when we lose.Aint nothing wrong wishing Pats would release Moss or that The Vikes F.O. would pull the trigger on V.J.,in fact every Viking fan is like a kid writing his Christmas list,we can write we want that B.B. gun but hear echoes of “You will shoot your eye out”.
Nothing wrong with Dreaming,Hell I been dreaming S.B. win close to 46 years aint stop me yet lol.
I have been hearing...
That the asking price from San Diego is two second rounders.
I can’t see us giving up that much for a one year fix, which seems to be what most of us here seem to think he will be.
He is very intriguing, but think there are more pressing concerns with this team such as the offensive line. Maybe we are making a run for Jackson AND McNeil.
:)
by Bjorno on Sep 16, 2010 9:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
If they want 2 2nd round picks...
they can keep him and sit him on the bench. But I think they might either want a receiver and a pick to fill his spot. (BB and a 2nd round pick)
No, no, a thousand times no
The guy is fairly over rated, IMHO. Last season, he had two games of over 140 yards, which was just about 25% of his season totals.
I just don’t think he’s worth it when you factor in all the baggage he brings off the field.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
My beef with Jackson is that he isn't a guy
who’s on the field talent overcomes his off the field issues. I don’t deny that he’s put up numbers, but I just think he gets them in bunches and disappears for games at a time. Is he the go to guy for Philip Rivers? I’d argue no, that Antonio Gates is.
So is that worth the potential off the field distractions he brings? I don’t think it is, that’s all.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Yea but
He is not going to bring his off the feild issues to Mn! Why, because there are way to many Veterans on this team and he will be playing for his contract next year! Can he really be that stupid? I say know way and we are contending for a superbowl and just helped this guy out Big Time! There is NO way we can win it all with BB, Percy, and Cammy at WR and thats a Fact!
by Fantasy Master on Sep 16, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Well,
Gates had 8 touchdowns in 16 games. Jackson had 9 in 15 games. Just sayin. And you talk about off field distraction. Have you noticed Favre over the last 2 years… maybe a bit of a distraction. Was Adrian Peterson driving 109 distracting. These guys are professionals, what we need to focus on is will he make it more likely or not for us to win a SB. And is it worth what we have to give to possibly win a SB. Answer that and then you answer if we should get him.
I have to disagree with you.
He had 7 games with over 100 yards last year, Sidney only had 3.
Sidney also had 4 games with less than 50 yards, VJ only had 3.
Not really sure what you are basing your opinion on, but Vjack is pretty consistent for a guy on a team with as many weapons as the Chargers.
But, I don’t want Vjack.
Give em a 2nd rounder and 4th or 5th in 2 years!
Ladies Ladies Ladies!!!!
Why do people cry about draft picks? How many draft picks even Pan out Here, I will name a few second rounders that come to mind, Tyrell Johnson- TJunk-I think Ryan Cook etc etc I know since we got Speilman we draft 100 million times better but its just a 2nd rounder pick BIG F@CKIN DEAL!
What it really comes down to is MONEY! How much is he gonna cost and are we going to sign him long term! Thats questions I cant answer but if we want to WIN a SuperBOWL this year WE HAVE TO GET THIS GUY! Who knows if Rice will be back this year and now Percy has some sort of Hip problem! Can you imagine Vincent-Sid if healthy-Percy and Shanks with Ap? Last I heard we went ALL IN on Favre coming back and I’ll Guarentee we can not win SuperBowl this year with these Wr’s!
Money Money Money….Favres 16 or so million will be off the books after this year along with Pat Williams contract, not sure what that is….. We can release BB after the season and get out of that Horrid contract if we want to keep Vincent or look elsewhere for help. Hutchinson has say 2-3 more years left and who knows if Mckinney will be here after the season….Ray Ray will leave….I know we got Big name players to sign but theres plenty of Money for that…………
Lastley…..The Vikings Schedule!!!
Its Brutal!!!! Jets-Pats-Dallas-Packers all in October….there are plenty of tough games left after also! I know are defense is GREAT and will be even better with Cedrick and Cook coming back! Go get Vincent and DONT LOOK BACK! Win this YEAR! Get him here ASAP! GET ER DONE!!!!!!
by Fantasy Master on Sep 16, 2010 10:26 PM CDT reply actions
really?
we cant build a team on FA alone. We need second rounders, and third rounders and fourth rounders. Because those are the guys that are going to make up your team. Although i do agree with you, getting vince for a 4th and berrian or a 2nd rounder is a good sounding deal.
What happens witht he draft next year if...
there is no season. An what will happen with the draft picks we were supposed to get in in 2011. Anyone know? Because if next year is a lock out, then the 2012 draft will be nuts…
Adam, There will be a draft in 2011.
It will be moved up to Late February. The CBA expires in early March. If the draft is held prior to the CBA expiration it will be a legal draft. This plan has already been laid out by the league.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 17, 2010 5:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Here are some second rounders we have drafted
EJ Henderson
Jim Kleinsasser
Cedric Griffin
Sidney Rice
Phil Loadholt
That is some talent… we had 3 others: Ryan Cook, Tjack and Tyrell Johnson. I would have to say that we have done a damn good job drafting 2nd rounders considering 5 out of 8 are great players and 2 of the other guys still could pan out.
Besides, they want TWO 2nd round picks for Vjack.
Question...
Without Favre next year and with having to resign or fill 18 spots of our 53 man roster will we be competing for a Super Bowl. Maybe, but probably not. If we upgrade our roster with VJ, will we be a favorite to win the Super Bowl this year? YES!
making bb part of the deal.
if we do that then we can have jackson after week 6 . we would have cam,havin and lewis til then . peterson 35 carries a game i guess . phins lions jets and cowpattieswith those three wide outs. imo we need to use a pick for the trade and keep bb for this year. if its an all in thing then we are drafting low in rounds anyways. if your the superbowl champs round 2 pick is 64, round 3 is 96 . i would offer a conditional 4th that could go upto 2nd . so if we fall flat we still have good pick for rebuilding . two words to heed about this whole situation HERSHALL WALKER. dont give away a decades worth of players picks for one guy. and another thing if they keep this formula for the uncapped style can only sign equal to what you lose for final 8 teams is gunna hurt us next year anyways and wouldnt be able to go after him .
Then he'll be out there all alone
You need to keep Berrian until Rice is back
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Accountability
That’s the bottom line. No matter what Chilly, Speilmann, and Zygi decide to do, what money they decide to spend, draft picks to cough up, whatever… they’ll all be held accountable for the choice. No matter what they choose.
1) If they do nothing and the Vikings go all the way, they’ll be hailed as geniuses (genii?).
2) If they do nothing and the Vikings don’t go all the way, people will look back and this and call them bad names. And it’s more likely it will cost Minnesota an NFL franchise.
3) If they get Vincent and the Vikings go all the way, see result #1.
4) If they get Vincent and the Vikings do a belly-flop, see result #2.
I don’t know when the outcomes for this team have ever been so stark and clear, we’re really on the cusp of the extreme, with really serious consequences for failure.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Well #1 would be nice
but my guess is it goes like this for all who presently think the organization sucks.
1. They do nothing and go all the way, they’ll be hailed as “lucky” or “AP did it” or “It was Brett magic” and Chilly will be chastised all the way.
1B. Same except add Frazier in to the mix with Chilly
1C. Same except add Spielman who doesn’t know how to value players.
2. No matter what the result or why the result if its not a Superbowl win then the organization sucks and has always sucked and can’t help but suck.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
by lifelongvike on Sep 17, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone (who is actually a fan) thinks this organization sucks...
But plenty think that Chilly is kind of an idiot when it comes to making on-the-field decisions, and it is hard to argue against that thought.
There is no doubt that he has helped build an excellent team, but sometimes I just want to knock Chilly over the head with a Vuvuzela.
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