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At Least The Twins Are Good: Vikings Fall To Dolphins 14-10

If you shoot yourself in the foot enough times, you're eventually going to blow off all of your toes.  That's exactly what happened to the Minnesota Vikings this afternoon at the Metrodome.  Four Minnesota turnovers. . .all from the same source. . .doomed the Vikings to their first home loss since the 2008 playoffs and dropped them to 0-2 on the season, already two full games behind both the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears.

Going into their bye week, the Vikings can be no better than third in the NFC North. . .and with the way the Vikings and Lions have both played in the first two weeks of this season, next Sunday's game can't really be considered a "gimme" by any stretch, either.

In the first two games of this season, Minnesota's opponents have had 22 possessions. In those 22 possessions, the Viking defense has yielded only three scores, all touchdowns.  As a team, the Vikings have only allowed 14 points in each of the first two games.  Had you told me prior to the start of the season that Minnesota's defense would allow three scores in the first two games, yet our record after those two games would be 0-2, I would have thought you to be insane.  But, sure enough, that's exactly what's happened through the first two weeks of the 2010 season.

So, the defense isn't the problem, to be certain.  That only leaves one possible source for problems. . .and, man, is it ever a problem.

Star-divide

So now that we've established what the problem is, let's attempt to narrow it down even further.

I can tell you who the problem is NOT, at this point, and that's the young man that wears #28 in purple. Through the first two games of this season, Adrian Peterson is averaging nearly 5 yards per carry every time he's handed the football, and he's showing outstanding ball security thus far, having not even given the impression that he was anywhere near fumbling on 47 carries through the first two games. He was incredible today, particularly in the second half, finishing today's game with 28 carries for 145 yards and Minnesota's lone score.

I can also tell you that the problem is NOT Visanthe Shiancoe.  The big tight end is pretty much the only player on the Minnesota roster that can get open on a regular basis, and hang on to the ball when it hits him. Yes, he had one drop on the final drive, but I'm not going to hate on him for that. Not considering the fact that in Minnesota's first two games, he has ten catches for 162 yards and Minnesota's only receiving touchdown of the season. He's a tight end that's averaging more than 16 yards per catch, for crying out loud. . .how can that guy be faulted for Minnesota's performance thus far?

To put Shiancoe's numbers into perspective, Minnesota's entire wide receiving corps. . .Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian, Greg Camarillo, and Greg Lewis. . .have 13 catches for 129 yards.  Combined.  Today, they had nine catches for 83 yards, meaning that Shiancoe outgained all of them by himself.  Consider, for a moment, that after Minnesota's Week One performance, the Dolphins had to know that Shiancoe was the only guy on the Minnesota roster that could get open, and his numbers become even more remarkable.

So, Peterson is making his case to be thought of among football's best backs. . .not that he ever should have been out of the conversation. . .and Shiancoe is making a case to be mentioned in the Witten/Gonzalez/Clark/Gates class of tight ends, because he certainly deserves it to this point.  We know who not to blame, because Peterson and Shiancoe don't deserve to be saddled with the blame for the way this team has played for the first two weeks.

Who does deserve it? I think we know who. . .but we're going to leave that conversation for tomorrow.  Possibly later on tonight, I'm not sure. For now, I need to sleep this off, I think. I still can't believe what I spent three hours watching this afternoon.

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Good game Vikes

I was convinced we had lost after the second fumble.

but ill say one thing, we really told you Jake Long was good. Allen was a non factor for most of the game.

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Josh Johnson for 2010 NL Cy Young!
Brandon Marshall is a Dolphin.....watch out World.

by Gatorfan4life on Sep 19, 2010 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

This ^

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 19, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

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It’s bad folks.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 19, 2010 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

This ^

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 19, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favre...

… and the wide receivers just aren’t there. How disappointing. Without Sidney Rice, they just don’t look that good. No critical mass of talent.

Well, we are learning something about Bernard Berrian. He doesn’t look like a #1 wide receiver.

Beat Detroit, get healthy, and hope we can go .500 until Rice gets back. That’s the best we can hope for right now.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 19, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Good thing he extorted $3 million from Zygi

Worth every penny, so far. And yes, I’m being sarcastic.

by Jurp on Sep 19, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they want VJ

Favre should fork over his 11th hour pay hike. Call it a “Win-Win” scenario.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Said it B4 and I'll say it again

I posted but some kept on with a 6-2 Housh being a slot. However, we run a 5-9 Harvin there.
We could have had Housh and Clayton for 1/4 of the $ that Jackson will cost and not give up picks.
Management has lost thir minds. They knew Sid was gone for 8 weeks and then expected him to come back 100% of where he left off last season.
I have never been more upset with this team in ages.
I hate to be a pessimist , but we have now dug ourselves in a deep hole after spending all that energy and $ on Brett-only to give him no targets.
Barrian is a wuss!. With his speed he can’t separate. He won’t catch in a crowd,

I am just totally numb. I hope it changes but I have literally lost hope. We waited way too long

by CitrusFLViking on Sep 19, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fact that Favre was throwing to HS'ers instead of the players he would line up with this season...

… Shows the significance of the offseason.

I think next year you guys will be in the running for Mike Vick who looked REALLY good the past two weeks.

That’ll be trouble for the NFC North.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 19, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, favre was a dick for throwing to hs'ers....but NO to vick "the convicked" and puppy killer.

i don’t want that hideous asshole on my team.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

You’re gonna write off the Lions like that? They just put up 30 some points on the Eagles. That is more than the Packers put up on them. That is more points in one game than we’ve scored in two.

by Frost on Sep 20, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not gonna write off the Lions.

They always play us tough and look better now then ever.

by KC612 on Sep 20, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lol yeah I know

I was just trying to make a joke that was relevant circa 2008-09. Part of me is happy that the Lions are finally getting their act together. I feel like they’re our little brother. I’m happy to see them succeed as long as they don’t negatively affect our season. Hell, if they can steal a game or two from the Pack I might just buy em a beer.

by StuckInCA on Sep 20, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about chilly??

had he gone for the first field goal, then we wouldn’t have had to go for it on fourth and goal and we would have been you 16-14.. and to never even think of webb for wildcat.. he lacks any sense of imagination..

and the pick to percy at the goal line i put on percy, not favre..

..now stop messing around vikes and go get jackson or moss .. we cant afford to be 500 only when rice comes back.. which wont be full strength for a while anywat

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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Sep 19, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Your argument presumes if the field goal had been attempted, it would not have been good and not blocked, and the way the cards were falling today, it might in fact have been blocked and returned for a touchdown.

Imagination is highly overrated. Vince Lombardi prefered to allow you to know what plays were coming and just cram them down your throat. When Bill Belichick goes for it on fourth down and he fails, he doesn’t look any smarter than Childress, except in the eyes of the beholders.

If imagination were the prime determining factor in football coachng, Walt Disney might have his bust enshrined in Canton. He does not.

Don’t be confused because we drive on the parkway and park in the driveway. Things are still easier said than done.

by Elgar on Sep 19, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Imagination is highly overrated.

what about blocking !!!

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

it is called Execution, not Imagination. Except, imagine if they had run left behind Toby, Sasser and Hutch, rather than INTO Sullivan, Herrera and Loadholt. Imagine that.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Whatever could have happened....did." - Vince Lombardi

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by PhrozenPhish on Sep 20, 2010 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

the real confusion is...

.. attempting to somehow equate chilly with lombardi..

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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Sep 19, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different eras, too

apples to oranges.

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by uncle rico on Sep 19, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

AP is a monster

maybe put him under center to guarantee his touches.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

From The Upper Deck of the Dome Today...

…it looked to me like equal parts no receivers besides Shiancoe, hideous blocking by the Vikings o-line, and Favre trying to do too much with too little.

Also factor in some bad play-calling: a handoff to Peterson on fourth and goal with the game on the line was asking AD to make it happen all by himself, and it didn’t work. That is not in any way a rip on Peterson, but a rip on the o-line who didn’t clear the way for him, and the wideouts who didn’t do squat today, making such a play call look good.

Screw it, I’m going down to the hotel bar…

by Midnight Rambler on Sep 19, 2010 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hideous blocking from the o-line?

I thought they played pretty well, truth be told.

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by Ted Glover on Sep 19, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they did.

I didn’t see the whole game. But when I had it on I saw Favre get hit a lot, though they appeared to run block pretty well.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 19, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It looked like a lot of indecison on Favre's part.

The indecision led to him holding on to the ball too long or not recognizing what the defense was.

You gotta give it up to the Fins defense— they played a good game for the most part.

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 19, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're used to getting zero respect from opponents after we beat them

not to be cocky, mind you. It was a hard-fought, close game the whole way through. I don’t care who says it should have been a wider margin—a win is a win is a win, and it doesn’t matter what the score is otherwise.

I appreciate the consideration. This is much unlike Rex Ryan completely disregarding our effort last season and their guys calling us “clowns.”

Thank you, sir.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 19, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

the reason to say it should have been a wider margin...

is because you guys really outplayed us. a wider margin of points would bwe more reflective of a wider margin of play. a comment like that would not be intended to diminish your victory, it is more of a compliment…at least when i said it.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which I took entirely as a compliment

and will appreciate all day and all week.

At least, until some Jets idiots come trolling..

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 19, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw, i'll be rooting for the phins to win the division.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you sir.

I’ll be rooting for a full recovery from Rice and a playoff push from your guys, as well.

Gonna take a fortnight at least to get this herd down to St. Louis on Mississippi. This glen's gonna be tough to traverse, and that river's got to be 50, 60 meters wide. And God knows how many fathoms. To hell with parliamentary procedure. We've got to wrangle up some cattles!

by Dave.Phuller on Sep 19, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

See my "quote" box below -v-

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by ChicagoMarine on Sep 20, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

O-line

I was not impressed with the job the o-line did blocking on the Favre fumble for a touchdown, Peterson’s fourth and goal TD attempt in the fourth quarter (bad play calling aside), and a lot of the other plays where Peterson had to break a tackle or make a man miss in the backfield in order to make positive yards. A lot of plays he did that; some plays he didn’t.

by Midnight Rambler on Sep 20, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have to have a receiver......

who says, “Throw me the damn ball!” We have AP, Shank, and three others who don’t want their numbers called, or so it seems. Have to exclude Camm because of limited playing time.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I blame Childress.

It’s his KAO that’s failing…It’s always his side of the ball that fails us.

We need a WR ASAP.
BB and Harvin obviously can’t handle the responsibilities of running routes and catching footballs.

Where was Camarillo? why did we trade Sapp for a WR that we’re not going to play?.
Get Camarillo involved. It’s not like Lewis is playing good, lets make the transition now.

by chaosg on Sep 19, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Favre

was the one who f’d up this week. He really looks his age now. Hopefully that bye week coming up soon is a blessing in disguise.

by Volfie on Sep 19, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree,

Favre did look like crap, but so did the WR’s.
We can’t expect Favre to do everything all the time. BB Harvin and Lewis gotta make a play too.

When we rush for 146yrds, the passing game should come much easier than that.
Nobody’s getting open, and when they do, they drop it.

At least we can’t lose during the bye-wk, lol.

by chaosg on Sep 19, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't watch the game but I will say

that our problem is probably that we’re using #2s and #3s and trying to jam them in as our #1 WR. And after this game, I’m hoping they pull the trigger on getting Vincent Jackson. And that AJ Smith will be visited by the Ghosts of GMing past, present and future to show him he needs to let Jackson go for a fair trade.

by Frost on Sep 19, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.....

and then suit him up in BB’s jersey for Det. and NYJ.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez....

even Sanchize is leading his team back after being down early at home…..

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

MRI for Harvin upcoming

Why does it seem like we have a roster of 32?

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

How long until Vincent Jackson arrives?

"Call me Snake"

by KSJ49 on Sep 19, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

on

on the 4 and goal run with Peterson, why didnt they run behind Hutchinson and McKinney? Isnt that why we pay them the big money?

I kind of liked the play calling this game, its just that Favre was terrible on some passes and the WRs dropped some balls. One thing different is maybe add some RB screen passes if the defenders are going to continue to put heavy pressure on Farve

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Sep 19, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I've been asking this for four-plus years

Invest eleventy billion dollars in the left side of the line, including a left guard that’s going to find himself in Canton one day, and we insist on running behind Anthony Herrera and Phil Loadholt when the chips are down?

AP may prefer to run right. Tough noogies. The left side is where the beef is.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 19, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

six of one...half a doesn't of the other.

at least try cutback running, or play-action, or just run a sweep. running between the tackles on this team when it counts is just plaindumb. that o-line is inconsisyent and unreliable. ap once again shows that he makes his yards on his own, for the most part.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be because Hutch is excellent at pulling and you can use him to help open the left side better.

Also, because many people to run to the right as that is where you can stick linemen who are better at run blocking as they don’t have to have all the skills for an elite pass blocker. Those are a couple of reasons to run to the right instead of the left. I will say this though, I thought the line did a pretty solid job Sunday. I was suprised it wasn’t on your list of aspects of the team that don’t suck on offense.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 20, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peterson has been fantastic.

But I disagree when you say he hasn’t shown any signs of ball insecurities. There were a few times today when I saw that ball sliding around in there, but he managed to get a tighter grip. Signs of improvement? Possibly. But it could also indicate he’s not over his “fumble-itis”

by Emoney on Sep 19, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

There was nothing today,

that a good WR couldn’t take care of. Harvin is being misused, because he is a much better slot receiver. I hate to say it, but I’m afraid that by the time they get VJ (if they do) we will already be in too deep of a hole. I would rather they try to get someone that can help them now, as in R. Moss.

by bf4mvp on Sep 19, 2010 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

If they get Jackson

we will be in, at worst, an 0-3 hole before he can play, because he’s only suspended for 4 games, and we’ve got that bye-week. It’s not a good place to be, but it is still doable for playoff positions. I wouldn’t expect to win the division with an 0-3 record, but a wildcard would still be very much in the mix.

by Frost on Sep 19, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could be 0-4

the bye week does not count as part of his suspension. This is why it is a tough decision for Ziggy. A win today would have made it much easier.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

‘Cause I thought they do. Since its technically a weekly suspension, not game-based. So he’s suspended the first 3 weeks by the league, and then one because the Chargers are douchebags.

by Frost on Sep 20, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

As far as I know, it is games, not weeks.....

trust me, I would want to see him against the Jets, to tie up Revis.

by Mel Allen on Sep 20, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

you are suggesting that we will lose to DETROIT...i am feeling woozy now.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not suggesting it.......

but Zig needs to decide by Wednesday, leaving it as a remote, way out on a limb possibility. I think.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forget VJ. Yall need to trade for a QB

Who’s gonna chuck it deep to VJ? Did you see how bad Favre underthrew Berrian today?
Y’all have one problem and it’s not your depleted reciever core. It’s a selfish, arrogant, unprepared, over-the hill QB. Favre had a QB rating of 43 today! He had 4 turnovers in the game! Last year was Favre’s swan song. It’s over.
Well, make that 2 problems: your head coach is an enabling buffoon as well.
A few of you on this site are starting to realize the truth about Favre. The rest of you are just in denial.
Ban me if you like, but I’m not here to gloat (I could have done that last week). I’m just stating what is obvious to every other non-viking-biased fan in the country. If I were a viking fan I’d be pissed at favre and chilly for wasting this teams’ window of opportunity.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

all I hear is...

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH…

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 19, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

unless you tell me you're on the team...

and have first-hand knowledge of what the problems are…

YOU are just noise and opinion.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 19, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

See...

This is why drunken Saints fans need to stick to their own sight…. Y’all…

by Adam Sorum on Sep 19, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

site

"I don't think we're the team with the target on our backs. They're not gunning for us, we're gunning for them. We're the ones with the scope." - Saints defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis

by DrWhoDat on Sep 19, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong...

the problem is the passes that Favre is throwing were catches last year with Rice. At 6-4, 215, he knows how to go AFTER the ball and make plays. The current crop is not built like that. BB, God bless him, is not, at 6-1, 180something, going to make the same plays. In that sense, Favre needs to realize that, and do so quickly. He gave BB opportunities to make plays that he can’t. The pick involving PH was a fluke, with PH stumbling at the goal line.
The problem with VJ is he hasn’t been doing a damn thing all offseason, and, will have to learn a new system, and learn it yesterday.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey, breesus fickung christ....don't sell him short.
Favre had a QB rating of 43 today!

his QB rating was waaaaay higher than that, it was 44.3.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad

I was close

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 20, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't be over hear if you didn't fear Brett in January .

You know that our schedule is designed to lose early and then come on strong at the end . If you can’t see that you truely don’t know your football . If you believe the records are the only indicator . Then I guess that the Buccaneers win the NFC South with their current record . Sorry buddy . Your logic dick-tates that you admit that the Saints season is over and the Bucks are going to the Superbowl ! I’ll get back to you on your gutsy pick .

by gothicpurple on Sep 19, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goth what are your thoughts on the game everyone wants to give up on favre he made 2 bad throws and the world’s comming to an end I think we need a wide out right now and dump BB and play camo more tell me your thoughts!!!

by cali viking on Sep 19, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all due respect...

This game was not one that the Vikings expected to lose. You play a non-playoff team from last year, a team with a losing record, that’s one you should expect to win if you think you are a team going deep into the playoffs.

The Saints? Absolutely, that was as tough an opening day draw that you could get in this league, traveling to New Orleans.

Miami? Not so much…

Week 3 is Detroit.

Lose early? This and the Lions are two of the easiest games on the Vikings schedule.

In the past 10 years, teams that start the season 0-2 only have an 11 percent statistical chance of making the playoffs.

by sabbath999 on Sep 19, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

gothic, ol' buddy

I didn’t come over because I fear Favre in January. I came over because I’ve gotten to know a few of you over the last 2 seasons and was curious about your opinion of Favre now that it appears the other shoe has dropped with him. It was just a matter of time with him.
Before the season I picked the Vikes to win the division. Now, I don’t think Favre will be playing in January. It has nothing to do with wins and losses. It has to do with the quality of play. I know its only been 2 games, but his play has been terrible. He single-handedly lost the first 2 games despite AP’s exceptional play. He doesn’t appear to be ‘having fun out there’. It just amazes me that fans like you have a million excuses, but can’t seem to place the blame rightfully on Favre.
Sorry, I couldn’t help but be curious if some Vike fans felt the same way.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 20, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't think we aren't pissed

However, there really isn’t much to do at this point but stick TJ in there. And that my friend is a terrible idea. As I’ve stated before and I’m hoping right now. Last year Favre took some time to get his act together. He just did it against weaker teams. Here’s to hoping he can pull it out again this year.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 20, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reynaud

Did anyone else miss him today or was it just me? :(

by Curvespace on Sep 19, 2010 6:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Why?

did they fair catch every punt, and almost fumble one away?

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the same thing!

by NoDakMan on Sep 19, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

matt burk

anybody watch the play of our center today??? Sullivan is a back up center anywhere else. he spent most of the day backpeddling, whether it was a pass or a run. i really miss burk at times like this. he actually controlled the line of scrimmage. both games this season, sullivan has been owned. i was also miffed at why we ran to the right at the end of the game. Our bulldozer is on the left and i am not talkin’ about the left tackle either. i can only hope this ship can be righted soon, because after 36 years enough is enough!!

by norsemenxpress on Sep 19, 2010 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Birk.

you are forgiven.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 19, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

We had 156 total yards on the ground . 208 in the Air . And had the ball 10 more minutes than the Fins .

The line wasn’t a problem at all . They weren’t holding or off sides . You are pist and not thinking . We were 1/5 in the Redzone . Getting there wasn’t the issue . Getting points was the issue . Missed Field Goal opportunities . INT’s . Batted down balls . Stuffed on the line . (Your only possible reasoning) And play calling . But you can’t dismiss Peterson’s big game . This team will continue to produce . They need to find out how to score in the Redzone .
    I believe that the new turf may have caused the issues . Where AP dominated . Thou slipped at times . As Sausser , Harvin , Shank and others slipped with nobody around them . Even Dolphin CB’s fell on plays to assist us . The turf to me was a much bigger negative impact on the outcome than any one player . Officiating was better . Thank God !!! And what the hell happened to Ben Leber . I sat in the lower corner by the tunnel . He was wheeled out on a stretcher . Sitting up . Head down and dejected . Right knee proped up as the left leg laid straight . What was his injury ???

by gothicpurple on Sep 19, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

You weren't too far away from me..

I forgot that you were in that section.
So many people though….

And I recall the stretcher, but must of missed the injury

by Deek on Sep 19, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Favre

Is it just me, or did it look like Favre didn’t want to be out there today? He didn’t have any fire from the opening kickoff and how many passes did he throw behind the receiver? Pretty pathetic performance by the offense (excluding Adrian and Shencoe). This loss is on Favre and Chilly!

by NoDakMan on Sep 19, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

What game were you watching.

I think he was trying to do too much and that was where he was getting into trouble.

by bf4mvp on Sep 19, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same one as you

Favre’s accuracy was atrocious. The passes he did complete were umpteen 5-7 yard outs to Harvin to start the game. The deeper passes were behind his receivers. Favre looked old today where last year he was playing as a “young” 40 year old.

by NoDakMan on Sep 19, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

? what do you mean?

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean im over TJ he’s not going to lead this team any where jethro dont jump off the favre fence yet he’s a warrior he will bounce back he will !!! we can have a monster game against the lions next week and get are swagger back but HELL NO TO TJ!!!

by cali viking on Sep 19, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i luv ya for trying to keep me bolstered, cali viking.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats my job and we will bounce back SKOL!!!

by cali viking on Sep 19, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

vikesfansd calls him "t-joke"....i think we should call him "t-hope".

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 20, 2010 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

you sir are nuts

And you should be forced to watch old TJ tape for eight hours.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 20, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey !!!

I was there . He looked sharp and alert in the first half . He wasn’t intimidated . He even rolled out of the pocket showing good mobility . The crowd lacked the Noise . Players were slipping all over the place . Dropped balls . And yes he threw into tight windows at times . Aggressive and not good . And stepped away from protecting his throws to the outside . He usually uses the sidelines to assist the WRs . Not today . And he failed bad on the deep ball to Berrian . More a case of bad timing than length . Brett . To my knowledge was inside the 50 . And throwing accross field . That was his poor judgement . Not arm strength . But a fair weather fan like yourself wouldn’t be expected to know better . Have you even seen the team live before ? You can’t get a true feeling like that unless you were there . I hope I helped . But stay pissed . Because nothing I said steers away from the fact . Turf or not . The Vikes did not play fundamentally sound at all !!!

by gothicpurple on Sep 19, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see more of this from you. Thanks for sharing.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 19, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing could be more true

His body language during the game and in the post game press conference said it all.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 19, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pay me 1.25 mil

And I can get you four turnovers per week.

At least.

by sabbath999 on Sep 19, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

only if you promise to show up late for work.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Drees had that same if not worse dejected look from the bench in their win in week one !!!

Arrogant ! NO !!! A competitor . Brees was dejected because they put everything they could into dominating the Vikings Defense . They fell way short . I believe your O-line had more slip ups and penalties in the first half of the game than half of last year . Our thin CBs tore up his plans . Our LBs caused fits . We got to Brees with a 3 man rush half the time . Giving us 8 to defend the pass . Your run game was easily neutralized . Drees hated not to get to the Redzone . Let alone only get 2 scores on the two opening drives .
    Brett too is that type of competitor . Brees learns that kind of behavior from the Brett’s of the League . Deny it . And condemn your team and your own words at the same time young one !!!

by gothicpurple on Sep 19, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was there, 3rd row

No doubt, Saints were sloppy.
It was at that game that I saw such a stark contrast in Favre from last year. He looked old, tired, cofused and skittish. Week two was even worse.
On the bright side, AP was an animal. You should ride him until the wheels fall off.

In Breesus' name we play

by Breesus Christ Superstar on Sep 20, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't think the problems are that many

that they can’t be fixed. It’s just a matter of will they do anything about it before it’s too late.
I think Favre would look better with a real number 1 WR. ’
I think our D has looked pretty good, but they will look better when they get Cook and Griffin back.
Punt returning needs to be addressed. Why they thought stone hands Berrian could do it, I will never know.

But they need to get someone for Favre to throw to, and they need to do it yesterday.

by bf4mvp on Sep 19, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

ya, uh-huh...and your screen name is "bf4mvp"?

brett just made $1.25million today for that ‘fine’ performance.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

how deep of a hole

are we going to be in when everyone comes back . our schedule is tough and there are two 2-0 teams in our division as we speak. one or two more losses combined with those teams winning and we will be a toast!!!!!!

by norsemenxpress on Sep 19, 2010 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Now we just have to sweep the division or....

beat the Jets, Patriots, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants and Eagles. What is the most likely combination of the two scenarios?

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will it go round, gumboot?

Remain calm. We all get killed in this picture. Let’s at least look good in the team photo.

I’ve got a lil’ story ain’t got no moral. Let the bad guy win every once in a while. – Billy Preston & company

Sidney is injured.
Percy is injured.
Favre underestimates a DB.
Favre overestimates his arm strength.

These things happen.

“I said breakdowns come, and breakdowns go
So what are you going to do about it?
That’s what I’d like to know.” – Paul Simon

In view of all the adveristy, I suggest we not lynch anyone at this point in time. Lynchings should only be scheduled after we’ve signed superior replacements to an ironclad contract.

Forget what Commodore Perry said during the Battle of Lake Erie.

“We have met the enemy, and he is us.” – Pogo

by Elgar on Sep 19, 2010 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

okay, this week we will only castrate chilly....wait, how do you castrate a pussy?

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey man Vikings aren't the only injured team

Dolphins were missing 4 starters on defense, Crowder, W. Allen, Odrick, and Alama-francis. But anyway i still see this vikings team winning 10+ Games, and making the playoffs in the NFC. good game.

by Dolphins21MZ on Sep 19, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Same....Except

Well this is the same offense that lit up the league last year for what, about 30 points per game, except now no Rice. Harvin’s comfort zone is the slot. Bring in VJ or its going to be a loooong season.

by NorseOfCourse on Sep 19, 2010 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I should be gloating

but I am sad. C’mon Brett, you can do better. You can get this team to the playoffs and maybe the NFC championship game. I know you have it in you one more time. And when you get there, please fold like you always do. So then I can gloat. And yes, I know that makes me a small person, but no smaller than you for playing the diva and always choking in the clutch. So please, get your old ass in gear and get the Vikes to the playoffs where you can choke in front of millions, instead of just the twin cities crowd. Thanks.

by horace clark on Sep 19, 2010 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Lame horace, just lame and ignorant. Please learn something about the game before posting this uneducated bs.

by angryguy77 on Sep 19, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it won't be too much longer

And I’ll be officially tired of listening to your garbage.

Just a heads-up.

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by Christopher Gates on Sep 19, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

stuck with Chilli

Twins or Vikings. Which season ends first?

Yes unfortunately BF is our only option because we trade away SAGE, (because no one would give anything for TJ so you get rid of the one guy that folks recognize as a good back up and keep a failed project) never take a shot at Drew or Cutler and don’t have a clue of how to raise a QB. Matt B is glad to be rid of Chilli by going to a “change” to Baltimore and you don’t hear of any former players of Chilli say anything good about him.

With a better coach there would still be a chance for change and some improvements. But we are talked Chiili. Chilli thinks he is not liked because he is an outsider. That is wrong. He is not liked because we see the team getting outcoached all the time and good players leaving to get away from him.

In a league where there is often little difference between the winners and the losers the right coach makes all the difference and we are stuck with Chilli. Since he has gotten here the offense has been the problem even with a superstar running back falling in his lap. His offense only got better last year because BF was motivated, had Rice and had the freedom to run the offense which he knows better than any of the coaches.

As hard as the Fins tried to give the game to us we did not take the gift.

by ZygiZag on Sep 19, 2010 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

We hitched our wagon to Favre.

So now we have to wait for him to get on the same page with his receivers. 0-2 is not the end of the world but if the offense doesn’t get it together soon we are in for a long season. This Detroit game is now a must win. then maybe after the bye we can start getting it together.

by iowaron on Sep 19, 2010 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Vincent Jackson best case scenario.....

We trade for Jackson. We beat Detroit in a must win. Go into the bye 1-2, rest up and prepare to terrorize Sanchez. We can keep it a slugfest, using AP alot. Jets are a bit weaker against the run without Jenkns. Pull out some boring 13-9 win and go 2-2. Then, with a 6-5 Jackson in the lineup, BreFavre will think he is throwing to Paul Bunyan, compared to BB, PH, and GC. After that…… maybe, just maybe.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Thats the spirit boys Its not close to being over we will bounce back SKOL!!!

by cali viking on Sep 19, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

True....

but we have to make up a TON of ground. Fortunately, our losses were not in the division, so, we still have SOME control over things. But, we CANNOT play .500 ball and be looking at 6-8.

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop the whinning...

It’s only the second game, quit crying and pull your purple pantie’s out of your crack…
get off the couch and go help your fat wife with the house chores…The Viking’s will figure this thing out they don’t need a bunch of negative fair weather fan’s giving them lame advice.
The Viking’s lack of a good training camp is biting them in the %#@ …They’ve run outta gas the last two games in the forth quarter and their chemistry is off…There’s !4 games left have some faith and show some class…Be a Viking fan… win or lose… enjoy the the ride and give credit to the Dolphin’s for being the better team today…One game at a time…Whining won’t change a thing…Until next week…GO VIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Dr Fix on Sep 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Just because people are pissed

dopesn’t make them “fair weather fans”.

Yeah we got 14 games but at this rate it was painful to watch game number 2 let alone 10 or 16. I don’t understand the logic of, EVERYTHING IS FINE, ENJOY SUCKING.

by FSUViking on Sep 19, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

not much of a “fix”, “doctor.”

by Mel Allen on Sep 19, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean

I understand what he is saying, there are still 14 games left but we don’t even look like an offense that wants anything, minus AP and Shanks.

We also seriously need to look into not bringing in 3 healthy CBs to a game.

by FSUViking on Sep 19, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 .

Except my wife is a buck 10 . Sorry for your thou Dr. Fix-a-flat’s wife . We didn’t need to here your man’s confessions . I do apologize if you are gay thou . I think ???

by gothicpurple on Sep 19, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Field Goals.

Can we have them, please?

Take those 3 points early on, and we’re only down 1 at the end of the game. Kick a FG at the end of the game. 1-1.

Hell, Favre throws it away anywhere and doesn’t lose it in the endzone, and we win.

The ’Phins offense was anemic, we had our chances honestly.

by loldotcom on Sep 19, 2010 8:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Minnesota Twins in three games at Chicago this week = 26 runs.

The Vikings in two full games of NFL action this season = 19 points.

As soon as the World Series is over, think we can get Mauer in at QB?

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by Eric J. Thompson on Sep 19, 2010 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Joe Webb

I know Childress thinks hes a QB guru and all (just witness how amazing T Jack IS) but one year at wide receiver for Joe Webb would give us an amazing athlete that we can throw wide receiver screens to who could actually break tackles and do something. Also if he is supposed to be a QB in the future, let him run some Wildcat with AP in the backfield and Harvin coming around for the reverse.

by Adam Sorum on Sep 19, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Or we could let him focus on being a QB

so, if things go according to play, we’ll have a QB a year earlier than if we trained him to be a WR. Or, worst case scenario, we train him in as a QB, he fails, and we put him at wide-out.

by Frost on Sep 20, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to say to you guys

thanks for playing a good game today. It was about as close as I expected it to be and hard fought by both sides. I really thought you were going to come back and win it a couple times there at the end. A few times I think my wife was actually concerned for my sanity and I was screaming loud at the TV and looking super stressed.

I hope that you guys have a good rest of the season and make a strong push for the playoffs.

PS- I have the Vikings in an office pool, so help me win some money!!

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by Chupathingy on Sep 19, 2010 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Just got hojme...

From my adventure and seeing my first Vikings game live in the dome. It was fun & I hope to do it again this season (probably a Bills/Giants game).

My thoughts from what I saw live:
First, that one interception in the end-zone (The one where they challenged) seemed like a crazy interception. It was nearly an incomplete but if I recall, I swear it went into the hands of one Dolphins receiver as he bobbled it and into another. My point of view, you can’t blame that one on Favre, because the receiver should have caught that.

Okay, as much as I like Favre and eve sported his jersey today…. He was trying too hard!! No doubt, a lot of his mistakes were trying to force a throw. Luckily, the Dolphins had no ball security and had a few fumbles that kept us in the game.

The Vikings Defense is really impressing me. We can not ride that gravy train to give us wins.. Our offense needs to put up points.. I feel like we are the Jets right now…
Favre needs to connect w/ receivers.. They need to get separation/open. And hell, I would love to see us do something with our receiver problem. Seriously, Chilli needs to consider what Webb can maybe do, because our receiving core is pretty pathetic.

Berrian…. Should not receive punts… At all.. He looks extremely scared.. You can NOT drop a fair catch.

I was on the other side of the dome when that pass/fumble which looked like it was still a pass from my view. What a crappy way to give up a quick 6 points.

Overall view, both offenses were pathetic. Dolphins first play put them near the redzone… I think they scored on that drive as well, but really didn’t seem to come too close after that.

by Deek on Sep 19, 2010 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

too bad you didn't get to see a win.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 19, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 4th & 1

Rush play, I so thought would of been a play to put us in the lead.
That first interception seemed really fluky
And that 2nd interception to BB in the red-zone, I figured it was going to happen. I was curious to why he would throw into double coverage (to Bernard none the less).

I don’t know what to say… Our defense is good & our run-game seems good w/ AP, but the rest seems questionable.

by Deek on Sep 19, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Favre obviously needs some big target to throw to. I guess if we want to just write off the season, we can stay pat with our current WRs and wait for Rice to come back after the season is half over. At the very least

by Frost on Sep 20, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes iam serious

alot of people would agree with me

"It’s not arrogance, it’s destiny." -RKO

by Vikant on Sep 20, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just letting you guys know the Steelers are 2-0 without Ben and are in 1st place

AND I told you guys he would only be out 4 games and many of you argued that point to no end… I told you so… I told you so…. I told you so….. Bwahahahahahaha

by Dr Del on Sep 19, 2010 10:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Man

I was really rooting for you guys yesterday. No offence to any Brent Favre fans out there but he just looked bad. I honestly hope the Vikings get out off this rut and make it to the NFCCG so we can bang it out again.

"It's about time something good like this happened." Drew Brees

by saints_r_us#9 on Sep 20, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

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