Why did Naufahu Tahi go outside on 4th down.
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 20, 2010 9:48 AM CDT
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Why hasn't this been addressed? Why did Naufahu Tahi go outside on 4th down. Why didn't our FB go inbetween the tackles with AD following him. WTF? It is so basic, what happened there? Was the play supposed to go outside and AD decided not to follow his FB? Please, what is going on?
Watch the 2:37 minute of the clip:
What is a Full Back supposed to do? Answer: Make a hole for the Half Back!
If anyone heard the explaination of what happened there, please comment here. Thanks.
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Yeah I was asking the same
Or, why didn’t peterson follow Tahi? either way, it was an ugly play. It seems like we always do the same play on 4th and short: run to the strong side behind one or two lead blockers. Always gets all clogged up.
After watching it again
It does look like it was designed to go outside.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
The play looks like it was going to the outside
but Peterson saw a hole for a split second and tried to turn it up and dive in. I personally don’t like the call….if anything put Phil Mr.Iamaloadlt on the left side and run behind our two best run blockers. I understand I am not in practice and don’t see the way the plays are supposed to work but I think you are fooling yourself to run a sweep or any type of trap play.
- I blame OC for not calling ONE PA bootleg that series— 3rd down would have been a perfect time.
- Every one from here to FL knew 28 was getting the ball so run behind those who you pay millions to…Hutch and your <ha!> Pro Bowl LT
My thoughts on that play
“What the F—-!?!?”
I do agree with you R4F, think the play could have been differant and carried out alot better. But then again, it is the day after, and we all sit there looking over many plays, but this one does stick out in my head.
"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."
Can't believe it hasn't been tried...
You all have encyclopedic knowledge of football so here is my question and I am sure someone has tried this thing before in NFL:
Hand over the ball to AP and then at least 9 of our players (including QB) make a push..and just push so hard that we gain 1 freaking yard. WRs can run in to provide added support.
WR1 2 3 4 5 WR
6 RB 7
8QB
If it sounds naive, please do not rip me a new one. Just let me know and I will shut up and limit my activity to only reading.
Thanks.
Skol Vikings
That did not come out as I wanted. Try again:
WR 1 2 3 4 5 WR
6 RB 7
8QB
WRs are wide, 12345 in the middle
6 RB and 7 are behind 2, 3,and 4
8 and QB push RB from behind.
Beware Chilly, here I come (hehehe).
Skol Vikings
The power game
If you think about it, that formation has to push back guys at least as powerful as they are, at least 3 yards, for the QB to advance 1 yard (because the players themselves will take up space). Teams try this all the time but expecting DTs and DEs, with LBs pushing behind them, to be thrown back 3 yards (that’s 10 feet) in about 3 seconds, is asking for a really elite O-line. Not that teams don’t try it, I’m just saying that getting that 1 yard can be tough.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I've always loved the QB-sneak
But we can’t really one with our current QB, unless it is one of those 1997 Brad-Johnson-gets-seven-yards-because-the-defense-was-expecting-anything-but-a-qb-sneak plays. Even then, I’m pretty sure Brent used most of his allotted energy for the 2010 season when i rolled out on that one (yes, just one) play and actually managed to get around two dolphin defenders.
That play when I saw it looked like it was a dead play to the outside
The Dolphins were already pushing around the outside it was curling in on AD and he had to change his route. A whole did open for about half a second and he thought that looked better than running into the entire Dolphins team on the right side. The play wasn’t a bad one to call. Mainly because we do run up the middle an awful lot. Hell we run up the middle a crap load!
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
since our o-line can't run block for sh!t....i wonder why we don't just send AP over the top like Sir Walter !!!
.
4th down and goal at the 1 flippin yard line to win it !!!!
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Honestly because AD has legs that won't quit.
He has many many times shaken the first tackle and made a play yards down from where it happened because he keeps his legs underneath of him. Not saying Walter didn’t have that as well, but I’ll give AD the benifet of the doubt on this one. Honestly Dansby made a great play he set his shoulder on AD’s thigh and called it a day.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
that WAS an awesome tackle...we got stuffed, but i was admiring the dolphin D on that play.
they looked like champs.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
OLB Wake was the threat coming off the Edge . The same strategy will be used against Peppers on goal line stands .
As Peppers showed great penetration from the edge on goal line stands in pre-season . Watch and see .
so why run the most crucial play of the game right at him?
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Because they are hoping the end will over persue
and take himself out of the game. People do it to strong pass rushers because they tend to stretch themselves out of the hole and play farther out to get better room to speed rush.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
i get your explanation, but that guy was killing it all day. why go at him with the game on the line?
especially when the left side is “supposed” to be so good? i don’t mind running outside, stretch it horizontally and let ap get up some speed and aim for the cone….seems like a better option to me.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Left side is a passing side
You put your best pass blockers there. I hope I don’t sound pendantic but a defending a pass and attacking for a run require different skill sets. A pass blocker has to be nimble on their feet and quick with their hands. A solid run blocker has to be able to psh a bulldozer over. His feet don’t need to be quick and you tend to get players who are heavier and more suited to that work. Look at the difference between Indy’s o line and the Ravens. You’ll see bigger boys in the Ravnes because the go for the run more. So since the left side has to protect the QB the right side tends to have people who are more suited for run blocking.
I hope that makes sense.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
so what you are saying is...
first, do the predictable thing. call an obvious run play to the right side.
(which, in your desire to sound pedantic, you call the “run side”).
and, stack your blockers to that side and make it even more obvious.
also, never mind that that is the short side of the field (easier to defend).
observe that the defense is also stacked to that side ensuring that there
will be a body-to-body traffic jamb, and run it there anyway….i’m not buying it.
also, your description of o-line attributes doesn’t take into consideration the
zone blocking characteristics the o-line should have. they should all be nimble
and quick on their feet. by your account, mckinnie should make one hell of a
run blocker, since he is huge and not fleet of foot.
we pay the left side $98.5 million. i think they should be able to run block a little.
and they each did go to the pro bowl last year, rrrrrememberrrr.
also, jared odrick, their starting right tackle was out w/ injury. surely we should be able to handle their back up, rrrrright? i mean if we get down their and run the ball 4 times in a row, and can’t make a 4th down and short….then that o-line stinks !!!
but me? i think that it is not just the o-line’s futility….i put this on the chilly-bevell playcalling.
i mean, the only reason we had a shot at the goal line, is because the phins handed us the ball back at their own 25 yard line !!!
and this was after chilly & co. let brett launch a long (i.e. short) pass to a guy who was covered by 2 defenders to create interception number 3 on the day.
(bad playcall, bad farve decision to throw it, really bad throw).
let’s not forget, that the vikes had the ball on their own 35 yard line with 6:10 remaining in the game. all set up to drive the ball down field, use up the clock, and earn a victory by scoring a touchdown against a sub .500 team, with our big high-powered qb, running back and that “awesome” o-line….instead, chilly-bevell let old man fart throw it into double coverage…
ON FIRST FREAKING DOWN !!!
please, don’t make excuses for any of this crap.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I'm not making excuses.
And they were out played you have to trust your team. If you overload a side you should be able to push them off the line. If you don’t it’s our offensive lines fault 100%. Now I don’t remember the play 100% but I would hope K-sauce was in there as a blocker not shank. I understand your bitterness, however, on short obvious run plays our line was not getting the push it needed. That lies straight up on their shoulders. The coaches may have figured that out as well, but with Favre throwing picks like it’s Christmas in Miami I just can’t see the coaching staff wanting to rely on his questionable arm and even more questionable receiving core.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
here is the play...
4th and goal at the 1 yard line…for the victory
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
I'm going to blame execution rather than play calls this time.
Favre made bad decisions this game and that’s on him not the calls by Bevell. The way our passing game struggled through the first two games I can’t disagree with running AD on fourth and goal at all. Our blocking was bad on that play and the Dolphins’s played good defense but I’d live with that playcall in that situation any time.
by CanadianViking on Sep 20, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
+7
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
here are some interesting takes by the nfl network on this...
they are saying that the vikings are a run left team, that the left side is the strong side of the o-line and question why they didn’t run left with 4th and goal at the 1. also, marshall faulk and mayock question ap’s patience as a runner, and break down the goal line plays with this in mind….saying that he should be patient to the hole, and explode threw the hole….and that the blockers just didn’t get it done.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81ab3435/Does-Favre-regret-coming-back
http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81ab9f45/Game-Management-4th-short
http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81ab8da9/Playbook-Dolphins-vs-Vikings-recap
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Good videos.
I still don’t have a problem with the playcall. On 4th and 1 I’m running it with AD and it’s one of those situations where the defense knows what’s coming but your blockers have to get it done anyway. The execution and blocking were terrible and I doubt it would’ve mattered if we went left instead of right. The only person who got a semblance of a decent block on the play was Mckinnie and his block didn’t matter because he was on the far backside of the play.
From those videos I see mainly bad-blocking and good defense. I do think they gave Favre too much of a pass though by showing the three plays where he got sacked instead of the plays where he had time and still made bad decisions.
by CanadianViking on Sep 22, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought the comments about ap's patience was the most interesting.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Yeah, Ad's patience issue is good and bad.
Sometimes he’s too quick in his decision and abandons his blocking early causing a shorter gain. Other times that quick decision gets him a big gainer regardless of his blocking. I know Bienemy is always coaching him to be more patient so maybe he’ll improve over time without losing his natural instincts in the process.
by CanadianViking on Sep 22, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
frank gore looked awesome on monday night football.
he has a real feel for picking his way and accelerating…
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Yeah, tell me about it right? I was really, really impressed with him. He might have the best vision of any running back in the NFL. How times did he cut back the complete opposite way of where the play was actually designed to go?
by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Be nice to see Gerhart
working out for us as well. I understand all draft picks are first year starters but I sure would like to see him work past that line and get into some space.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Toby starting this week.
Albert Young was inactive last week and I think Peterson got all the third down plays so Toby’s playing time looks like it’s going to increase.
by CanadianViking on Sep 22, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think patience has always been a problem for Peterson. Before the fumbling issue came about, it seemed like his patience was something that Bienemy harped on all the time and it’s a fair point. He’s got the tendency to want to just go, go, go. He doesn’t always wait for the play to develop.
It’s kind of scary to think about as a Packers fan though. You have to think that he’ll eventually fix this, and when he does he could become even more dangerous.
by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Better question
Why did Tahi get the ball in the first place?
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 20, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
nevermind...apparently my eyes suck
I could have sworn that Tahi got a carry on a fourth and goal. The man just pops out on the screen to me in a bad way everytime.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Sep 20, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he didn't.
I’m pretty sure they brought the sticks out and gave us the first down.
Yes they did
but that made up for the crap spot they gave AD previously.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
The play was designed to go outside. Tahi did his job.
That is a simple indisputable fact. I know it has already been stated but apparently it was missed by many. The intention of the play is to basically beat the D to the pylon… Tahi is supposed to go outside. AD saw a hole and cutback, unfortunately Dansby closed it.
I hate the call because to me pursuit is always difficult to outrun in NFL goal-line situations. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to watch the game, so maybe Miami had been committing to crashing the middle and we thought we could make it work outside. It was one play… we shouldn’t have needed a 4th-and-goal to win or lose anyway.
Miami's line basically man handled the Vikes line for most of the game.
Watching AD run was basically watching him get tackled at the line of scrimmage then going all MMA on them and getting five more yards.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Five more yards? More like 50 more yards. Ok, so maybe I exaggerate a bit but seriously, the dude is unreal. I really don’t think there is a player in the NFL that can come up and tackle him straight up. Seems like the only way to really stop him, is too have one guy hit him and knock him off balance and then have another guy come and finish him off. His balance is exceptional.
by packallday555 on Sep 21, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly watching him run
is just amazing. He’s like a bull dog shaking off puppies. He’s the only guy I think would have a chance of landing Ray Lewis on his butt. Opposing defenses must work on pursuit drills all week long getting ready for him.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
AP
He’s proving that he’s still the most amazing RB in the NFL.
I do think that most times, the O-line did open a gap for him, which was an improvement over last year, but after that he had to do it himself.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
It really is. The play where a Miami defender flew in and tripped him up but he managed to stay on his feet and run for like 40 yards was one of the best runs I think I’ve ever seen. It really makes me wish the Packers had a good running back.
by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Just so it is clear
Ap stated he made the cut inside because he saw a little space and thought he could make it. He could have followed his blocker if he had chosen. I will trust AP since he is our main RB.
The best laid plans don’t always work out.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
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