Where We Push Out The Jive Before We Bring In The Love
by Christopher Gates on Sep 20, 2010 5:54 PM CDT
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PrintAs we all know from watching yesterday's. . .ahem. . ."performance," the Minnesota Vikings are 0-2 on the young NFL season, which is at least one game worse than many of us expected this team to be at this point. The fact that the Vikings have lost their first two games ordinarily would not, in and of itself, be reason to panic. However, the way they've lost their first two games certainly hasn't been pretty. While Minnesota's defense has, for the most part, played incredibly well despite being short-handed in the backfield, the offense has been nothing short of terrible, save for the impressive play of running back Adrian Peterson and tight end Visanthe Shiancoe.
The culprits are numerous on this team, but I'm going to narrow it down to three main ones. And, before you read any further, be forewarned that this is going to be an overwhelmingly negative and possibly overly cynical look at the current state of the 2010 Minnesota Vikings. If you want rainbows and kittens and meadows and such. . .just skip this one. Make no mistake. . .I think that this team has the potential to turn things around in short order, and I'll reflect that going forward.
But right now? It's time to vent a little bit.
I'm going to start off with Brad Childress and his amazingly crappy play calling. It started with the very first drive of Sunday's game, and kept going right on toward the end. On Minnesota's first drive, they moved the ball very well with a nice mix of runs and passes, and took it down to the Miami 25-yard line, where they wound up facing a 4th and 2 situation. Keep in mind, we're five minutes into the game here. Also keep in mind that Minnesota has a kicker that's pretty much automatic and in field goal range from the moment he parks his car at the Metrodome and starts walking to the locker room.
Keep in mind, this wasn't 4th and a couple of inches. . .this was fourth and a full two yards. The Vikings were in this situation with an offense that struggled to put points on the board in the season opener and had a chance to put their opponents in an early hole to start the game. But rather than take the automatic three points by Ryan Longwell. . .and, yes, I'm at the point where I just automatically put a "3" on the board every time I see Longwell take the field because, hey, that's what Ryan Longwell does. . .Childress decided to attempt to send a message to the Miami defense by trying to convert and continue the drive towards the end zone. That message was rudely returned to sender, as Miami defensive lineman Randy Starks batted Brett Favre's pass down at the line of scrimmage, and the Vikings turned the ball over on downs. A little less than five minutes of game time later, Chad Henne completed Miami's one significant offensive drive of the afternoon, finding Brian Hartline for a 5-yard touchdown pass and giving the Dolphins a 7-0 lead.
With last year's Minnesota offense, going for it in that situation might have been the right idea. But this isn't last year's offense, as we've seen thus far, and it's not even close. . .this more closely resembles the offense from the first year of the Childress regime, particularly the ineptitude of the passing game. When an offense is struggling to score points like Minnesota currently is, you need to take the points when they're available. Teams know full well that the Vikings, at this point in time, have exactly one competent receiving threat, and that's how they're defending this offense. The problem is, they're absolutely not making adjustments to that change. They still seem to be under the impression that things that worked last year are still going to work. . .sorry, folks, until we have the same players we had last year, changes are going to have to be made.
One last thing on Childress' play-calling, and it's the same thing I've been saying for the entire Childress era. The Vikings have, approximately, eleventy billion dollars invested in the left side of the offensive line between Bryant McKinnie (who probably doesn't deserve it) and Steve Hutchinson (who absolutely, positively does). You also have a guy in Jim Kleinsasser who is capable of crushing anything and anyone he sees as a blocker. Why, on the biggest play of the game, do you insist on running behind Anthony Herrera and Phil Loadholt rather than lining Kleinsasser up next to McKinnie and Hutchinson and plowing into the end zone? Yeah, the other team might be able to see that coming. . .what, exactly, are they going to do about it? Nine times out of ten, the answer is "not a damn thing."
Speaking of receiving threats, we know that the entire group has been putrid through the first two games. Percy Harvin has had a myriad of problems, including a strained hip that was found in an MRI on Monday. Greg Camarillo is still getting a grip on the playbook. Greg Lewis is. . .well, he's Greg Lewis, people. Seriously. Nice guy and everything, but he's not a guy you rely on. But there's one guy that, from all that I've seen and heard, has absolutely, positively no excuse at this point in time.
Bernard Berrian has been a slug through the first two games of this season. Nothing short of utterly pathetic. In fact, there was one play in particular yesterday kind of summed up Berrian's new attitude, and that of the Viking offense in general. It came in the fourth quarter, right after the Vikings had forced the Dolphins to punt and Camarillo had gotten a decent return to the Minnesota 34. Favre took the first snap of the drive, rolled to his right, and heaved one deep for Berrian.
Now, don't get me wrong. . .this was a stupid, stupid throw for Favre to make. (Believe me, Favre wasn't blameless for yesterday's game. . .I just haven't gotten to him yet.) He knew from the second he got the play call in the huddle that, coverage be damned, he was going to go all Rex Grossman "unleash the dragon" on that play. As soon as the TV cameras panned to Berrian and we saw that there were two Dolphins in the picture, we knew just how dumb it was. However, there's an old axiom in football that I heard Phil Simms repeat on ESPN Radio this afternoon. . .it was about a different game, but the same thing still applies here.
Any deep pass that's intercepted is the fault of the wide receiver.
Why? Because as the receiver in that situation, there's a very simple flowchart you have to run through when a deep pass is thrown in your direction. You simply ask yourself, "Can I catch this pass?" If the answer is "yes," then you go up and make every effort to catch the pass. However, if the answer is "no," you go from trying to make the catch to trying to knock the ball down. Berrian made absolutely zero effort to do that. . .he just kept running as though the ball was magically going to find its way around the two Miami players and into his hands. And to make things worse, after the ball was intercepted by Jason Allen, rather than pursuing the play and trying to stop him, the first thing that Berrian did was turn around to the referee and start complaining for a flag.
Dude, you are not Randy Moss. . .you are not Andre Johnson. . .you are not Brandon Marshall. . .and, therefore, you are not getting that call. It doesn't matter if you were bumped, which is debatable at best, you're not drawing the flag there. Shut up and do your job.
Which brings me to Favre. Let's make no bones about this, people. . .#4 was freaking terrible yesterday. You can make all the excuses you want, but the guy was outright awful. He seems lost without Sidney Rice. . .which, after years of watching him make every schmoe receiver in a Packer uniform he played with look like an All-Pro, seems almost implausible. (Don't believe me? I've got two words for you. . .Bill Schroeder.) The arm strength may still be there, certainly, but in the first two games of this year, he really hasn't done a whole lot to show that 2009 was anything but a lightning in a bottle-type of season.
And the worst part? The only way that he could appear to be more disinterested is if he was standing back in the pocket thumbing through a copy of the most recent Field & Stream. There doesn't appear to be the hint of even a spark at this point, let alone the fire that was burning last season. And if that's the way he's going to look all season long, and the way he's going to attempt to make this offense work all season long, then he should pack up the tent and head on home. If he can come out and show that he's actually interested in leading this football team, then that's another matter.
Now, that part is going to anger some of you, because apparently criticism of our quarterback is verboten. But ask yourself this. . .without the racial component that got into one of the FanPosts yesterday (which, if it's revisited, is going to get you an insta-ban. . .you've been warned): If Tarvaris Jackson had thrown those same two interceptions in Berrian's direction that Favre did yesterday, you'd be shredding him right now, wouldn't you? You're damn right you would be, and with good reason.
I watched members of Packer nation make every excuse in the book for Brett Favre for a decade and a half. Of the numerous interceptions he threw in a Green Bay uniform, I believe that exactly three were his fault. (Well, until he was no longer a Packer, when that story changed, but that's something for another time.) I gave those people a measurable ration of crap for making those excuses. And, now that he's in Minnesota, I guess I'm expected to do the same. Well, to channel Dana Carvey channeling George H.W. Bush. . ."Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent! NAH GAH DAH!" If other people want to try to excuse this sort of play, that's fine. That's not a me problem. . .that's a them problem. I'll be grateful for the season that Favre put together in 2009 for as long as I'm a fan of the Minnesota Vikings. . .but it's now 2010, we're about a week away from getting this entire season flushed straight down the crapper, and Favre's play, particularly this week, is one of the bigger reasons for that as of right now.
So there you go. If you want to vent, that's what this is for. If you want to disagree, that's fine. Go right ahead. But that's the way I see things over the first two weeks of this season. . .a season that, just 11 days ago, had a ton of promise, and is now on the verge of going up in a big puff of purple and gold smoke. I'm not happy, and I know that most of you aren't happy, either. We damn well shouldn't be happy with the way things have gone thus far, and all we can do is hope that it turns around.
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+ Eleventy Billion
Slow. Clap.
/now standing with thunderous ovation
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
*Throws a phone at the back of Ted's head
Sorry, Col. Gathers wouldn’t stand for it and neither will I.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Sep 20, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely missed the reference
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Go find the last episode of “The Venture Brothers”, watch it, then proceed to watch every episode from the last 2 or three seasons because the show is awesome!
The latest ep will be on Adult Swim on next Monday afternoon.
Until then, add it to your Tivo.
When you go to somebody's house, you don't crap on their floor. Being a fan of one team does NOT give you license to be a dick to fans of another.
Corollary: When people are visiting your house and behaving themselves, them being a fan of a different team is NOT a reason for you to piss in their beer.
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by Robert Rence on Sep 21, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Spot on
Great post.
Favre is a confidence player. When the stars align and all is well, then he gets exponentially better. When things aren’t rolling his way, the exact opposite happens. When he has Sidney Rice going into orbit in double coverage to bring things safely to earth, he is a different person. Now he looks rattled and frustrated. As a result he forces it. How many balls have you seen him throw away in the opening two games? I can’t remember one. He’s taken a number of rather pathetic (coverage) sacks for a loss when he could easily have got rid of it. This smacks of a lack of confidence.
Of course, a thirty point win and we’ll see a different guy running out there and because of that, a different group of guys around him. Fingers crossed.
All true..
R4F referenced Favre’s press conference, as if there was something contained therein that provides a hint of hope or inspiration. I didn’t see it. I heard him repeat again that he is “afraid of losing” or some such comment, not what I would call rallying the troops. The most admirable quality Favre has (or had) is the almost child-like passion for the game, and an inextinguishable desire to win.
Has he gone from belting out “Pants on the Ground” to crooning “My Way?” I hope not, but the signs are ominous.
I agree
with most of what you said. The thing is, we knew what the risk was with Favre. But the inspired season he gave us last year led us to believe we were gonna get another.
Right now I aint so sure.
I think the concensus thinking was......
that he wouldn’t hold up physically. I don’t think there was a concern for his passion and motivation, as there may be now.
Well...
at least the Bears are 2-0.
by MetalGearPeaceWalker on Sep 20, 2010 6:41 PM CDT reply actions
Good for them
If you want to talk about how great the Bears are, SBNation has a site for that.
It sure as hell isn’t this one.
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 20, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares......
and besides, Favre’s attitude now is better than Cutler’s would ever be on his best day, the punk.
Don' you mean
At least the Cowboys are 0-2
by EventualChamps! on Sep 21, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
silver lining....
….it could be worse. we could have no offense – meaning no ability to move the ball up and down the field. we’re doing that…just failing in the red zone.
and this bull i’m hearing about “well, Favre missed camp and blah, blah, blah.” Favre’s not blameless, but Percy missed most of camp, too. Greg C. was a late addition.
it’s a TEAM, remember? (not pointing fingers at this DN article – the author certainly did spread the blame around)
The goaline call....
… on 4th and 1 I think was particularly bad. Now, going for it on 4th and 2 instead of the field goal was stupid, but here I’m just talking about the run play called.
They were 4th and 1. To me, it is somewhat risky to run on that play, because it was a long 1. It wasn’t one or two feet. You can very often get stopped on that play.
But what really bothered me was not so much running behind the right side. What bothered me was the jumbo set they used there. At least create the POSSIBILITY you might pass to keep the defense honest, even if you just try to pound it. And, if the QB sees something, he can always audible a pass there.
Going the jumbo set, 8 man front, on 4th and a long 1 to goal, is just projecting what you are going to do, and if anyone isn’t blocked and hits the hole just right, you are going to fail to score.
Spread it out, keep the defense honest on the pass, and they can’t sell out like that.
Dumb!
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 20, 2010 6:46 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed
I have always liked the spread out formation at the goal line because if you throw 3 receivers out there they have to cover and it gives you a better chance to bounce it outside.
by Viking_Monson on Sep 20, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
…moreover in general Chilly seems to be telegraphing far too often what is going to happen. Even when he thinks he is being sneaky (like 3 runs and out to start off the season in NO), everyone and their grandma knows what he’s going to do. No one can argue that we have a dangerous running game, but we also have a passing game that could (let’s hope DOES) break a big play at any moment. Why is it that we tell the other team which weapon we plan to use?
ARGH!!!!!! 0-2 sucks
Hindsight and all....
I love that Chilly showed some balls to try that. You don’t win SB without balls. You can win your division but not SB. It is all or nothing. High risk high reward.
I hope they do it again.
Skol Vikings
I don't have a problem...
… with going for it on 4th and goal on the 1.
I have a problem with the play call.
And moreover, balls seldom are a good substitute for brains. You need both. Or all three.
You get the picture.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 20, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Professor Chilly seems to have one more than two...
…and if he doesn’t bring out his two, when will he do it? Next year with T-Jack? That will be a season to bring your paper-bags to the dome.
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Great post
The only way that he could appear to be more disinterested is if he was standing back in the pocket thumbing through a copy of the most recent Field & Stream. There doesn’t appear to be the hint of even a spark at this point, let alone the fire that was burning last season.
I kept hoping for a big play where he smiles and things just seem to go well from there. I think that he really didn’t want to come back this year and is playing out of have to instead of want to. Where is his don’t pass into double coverage unless you have to and have a guy that can go up and get it.
Why does everyone keep saying we’re gonna have Rice back by midseason then its on, without the real game situations and I’m assuming a significant lack of game endurance and speed he won’t be a factor until the end of the season, which at this rate will be over for us. Hell just throw Webb in there at least he can shake a defender and run like a mad man. That was me throwing my hands in the air and walking out of the room.
Favre
I was excited as anyone to see Favre dress down in purple and gold last season, and welcomed him with open arms to a 2010 campaign. But it seemed (understatement) that we had to drag him out of retirement and that he simply did not want to play.
I said that the quality of his play, and thusly the level of the team’s, would depend on how he approaches the game. If he was that “kid who just loved the game” then the Vikes would keep on cruisin, but he just does not appear to want to be there and it is reflected in his game.
Exactly!!!!
I posted the same thing after week 1, chilly’s playcalling is horrible and Berrian has been a bust. Thank god they finally replaced him on the punt returns with Camarillo.
And speaking of Camarillo why not use him more at receiver, can he be worse than Berrian? Let’s give him a shot, he has to have most of the plays by now. The guy has tremendous hands throw him the ball!!!! Teams are just going to concentrate on taking away Shinacoe now so someone needs to step it up and it’s not going to be berrian as he has shown. God please let us get vincent jackson, even bring javon walker back . We have nothing to lose, cannot get any worse. We need a spark to get this train back on track in a hurry!!!!
Favre needs more than what the receiving core is giving him......
or what the offensive coaches are giving him.
I personally knew & played golf with Bill Schroeder, and he was a sure handed realiable receiver. Something Favre doesn’t have currently, other than Shank.
Where the #$%@ is (sure handed) Camarillo?
Where is Chester Taylor’s replacement?
What is going on with the new turf in the Mall of American Field, everyone is slipping.
Not Favre’s Fault.
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
CT's replacement?
maybe he was packaged with Sage to the Giants for who the hell knows why. Maybe the draft picks we got were to be sent to San Diego for VJ. Nothing else makes sense at the moment.
"... Bill Schroeder.... he was a sure handed reliable receiver."
No, no, no. He was a track guy that became a football player, a nice guy, and a bit of an idiot on the field at times. His hands were ok, but it was speed the got him on the field and let him be productive. Every other aspect of his game was average at best. I didn’t know him and I never played golf with him, and my guess is that might be why I’m not willing to give him as much credit as you, but I don’t think that’s a me problem, as Gonzo puts it.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats it I knew you were Favre R4F i KNEW IT HA HA!!!
by cali viking on Sep 20, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree for the most part but...
“And the worst part? The only way that he could appear to be more disinterested is if he was standing back in the pocket thumbing through a copy of the most recent Field & Stream. "
To this point I disagree, Favre puts in alot of prep work and I believe he wants very badly to win, he says he lives the guys on this team and I believe him. To say he is performing poorly because of disinterest I think is false.
As to the rest of your venting infeel your pain and share your concerns.
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by aceinthecorner on Sep 20, 2010 7:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I mean if you’re trying to read his emotions he doesn’t look like a kid having fun because he’s losing. I guess it’s kind of the chicken or the egg there but I think he may appear to be more “interested” or having fun when our receivers make plays and we win. Shanks, percy, double b have all dropped catchable balls. I’m not saying Favre isn’t without blame, I just dnt think it has anything to do with his interest level.
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by aceinthecorner on Sep 20, 2010 7:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But that's the thing
He doesn’t look terribly happy. He doesn’t look terribly sad. He doesn’t look terribly angry.
He just looks. . .there.
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 20, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That is how Favre has always been.
Brett Favre is the Greatest QB in NFL History, Bar None!
Brett Favre will be back in 2010, Guaranteed!
Brett Favre will lead the Vikings to a Victory in Super Bowl XLV, Guaranteed!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Sep 20, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's not
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
What?
Have you ever heard of this guy….he used to coach football? He’s got this video game named after him? I think he loves Farve about as much as you do….
Yeah….that guy. Anyways, all the times I’ve heard him describe Farve “sad” and “angry” don’t really come to mind as the first descriptions he uses.
by PackApologist on Sep 20, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
How about if he stops saying things like....
“I have nothing to prove” or “I am afraid of losing.” Too many "I"s in there.
"When I get to Berlin I am personally going to shoot that paper-hanging sonuvabitch."
Best line ever.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Though it's not in the first 10 minutes, I don't think.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
No, that is well into it...
but the “we will go through them like crap through a goose” is called for.
Winning cures all...
… my guess is that Favre will seem a lot more energized and engaged when he starts having some success. I’m sure he’s frustrated with his receiving corps, but beat the Lions and get him to throw a couple of TDs and the smile will be back.
What chapped my ass towards the end in GB was “Cherish-the-moment-Favre” when he could be seen wandering the sideline with a bemused look on his face, taking in the scene, while GB was losing, almost as if he was enjoying watching the guys he knew on the other side win. But the last two weeks has been something I haven’t seen since GB’s 4-12 season several years ago.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions
That 4-12 season...
…was the worst season for a team I have ever seen as far as injuries go. The only man on that offense who did not get hurt (enough to miss a start) was Favre. With no one to throw to or hand the ball off to, Favre still put up some numbers if not wins. Yeah he had INTs, whatever. He was trying to be superhuman out there and win by himself because he had to.
In Minnesota this year, even with the WR injuries, Favre is not by himself. He has a great RB and TE. The Vikings will not go 4-12 and Favre’s play will improve in the next couple weeks.
I agree....
…wasn’t trying to suggest they’d go 4-12 or even have a losing season. I was just mentioning the last time I saw the sort of dejected, almost disinterested body language from Favre.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 20, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Favre
He has been a staple of American football, rumors and talk around the country for a long time. Since his falling out with the Packers GM and subsequent injury-tainted 1 year with the Jets, he produced a great season for you guys last year. Of course expectations were high for him this year. Yet life never lives up to fantasy. Reality has a terrible way of trashing our dreams. Favre is not back to 100% physically. That is just truth. Does he want to play? Absolutely. Anyone who attempts some psychoanalysis of Brett Favre right now will be doing so with clouded judgment, and most-likely a considerable lack of qualification. Consider the struggles of other supposedly good QBs and how many of them have been injured in these first two weeks (Stafford, Kolb, just as two examples off the top of my head). Hobbled though he may be, Favre is still throwing the ball and trying to win. Maybe his play was not perfect these first two weeks, but it is there if Minnesota can put some receivers on the field for him. I firmly believe that Favre will continue to be your best chance to win, regardless of who you put around him.
As for his poor play, remember how he started slow last year. The difference is that last year, the first few opponents were weak. The game plan was simple for Favre, dumping off short, safe passes and letting AP do all the work. It was perfect against lesser teams. It would have been enough against Miami. Yet the deep passing game was not going to be there no matter how many times you try to force it. The Vikes simply do not have any deep threats. The OL has to protect better in the passing game too. Yet the simple solution would be to get back to what worked last year until Favre is back in shape (and maybe you get some other WR help).
Will Favre be back to playing better football? Absolutely. Assuming he stays healthy, Favre will be smiling and having fun again. The Vikings will win games and by mid-season you will be in the middle of the NFC North race. If last year is any indication, Favre will get better soon. Of course he needs help, but I think too many people want to jump on him as soon as they see any sign of weakness. He’s not weak. Your favorite team is not weak. There are quite a few games left. Favre will be there to take you through them. Don’t give up on him. He’s an emotional person and plays with that emotion. When you start winning, you will feel much better. I am reminded a little of when the Packers started last season poorly and I was devastated, certain the season was lost. Then the Green and Gold turned it around and made the playoffs. Vikes will do the same.
If...
he had never displayed the passion for the game that he has, this would not be discussed. There are countless HOF QBs that never exuded the same love of the game—— Unitas, Montana, Staubach, Marino, etc. So yes, he has set the bar high for himself, whether intended or not. I do believe that a real ass whipping of the Lions next week could make this discussion moot. Couple that with the impending arrival of a REAL weapon at
WR in a few weeks and by November, this could be ancient history. Hanging in.
I think what you perceive as indifference is focus. But I do think All this talk from him about being afraid to disappoint has to stop. He’s not going to have a stats year like last year and like the guys said he doesn’t have to. Adrian is running possessed and if our wr make some plays we will start to win. IF we can survive the middle of our schedule I think his swagger and the teams swagger returns.
I think getting cook and Cedric back will help. The offense has to see that this defense is good enough to keep them in games and that they don’t have to do extra ordinary things.
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by aceinthecorner on Sep 20, 2010 8:18 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
boy, all this ripping..
…lets save some energy in case they lose to detroit..
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the preceding statement was false" - george carlin
NO Way!!!!!!
they are going to start off the season setting the record straight against NO, pick up 2 wins at home before the bye, then face the toughest part of their schedule, hopefully adding a much needed weapon to their arsenal for this stretch………screeeeeeech, uh, crap, never mind.
Sorry, I have to be honest.... just my opinion.
I’ve been loyal to the Vikings since 1970, and have been tormented by their failure to win a Super Bowl. I have stuck with them through thick and thin, and barring a tragic move to another city (I think it’s 50-50 that they will be moving soon) I will continue to be a fan. They are really my one and only sports team.
That said, I am afraid they have the look of a non-contender this year. When I objectively (key word) assess the big picture, I see a team that was good enough to win it all in ‘09 that missed their window of opportunity. The energy was vastly different last year. It was a good chemistry on that team, with a nice blend of older vets and young studs trying to make names for themselves. Maybe it’s a sign of the times, but you have players who were formerly humble and hungry (some of them) acting like they are pouting because they feel they deserve more (money, play time, etc.) or are feeling entitled in ways that are unhealthy for team chemistry. Favre’s antics did more damage than some realize. I never felt it was appropriate to allow any one player hold a team hostage the way he did. Whether anyone wants to look at it or not, I am convinced his situation/special treatment did damage to team morale.
The Packers are a viable Super Bowl team this year. They have great chemistry and seem to be dynamic in most phases of the game. Aaron Rogers is clearly a superior talent and a good leader. They would have been my pick to win the division, even if both teams had started the season 2-0. Alas, that has not happened. In the blink of an eye, the Vikings stumbled their way to 0-2, in ugly fashion (on offense and special teams). There is a decided lack of enthusiasm on the field and on the sidelines. I think the players no longer really believe in the team’s chances for a run at the Super Bowl. I think they are tired of double standards and the Head Coach’s stupidity. It shows in their eyes.
The team is guilty of putting all their eggs in one basket with Favre, and that’s a shame. While he is not to blame solely for the slow start, he is at the center of the storm because of the collateral damage caused by the team allowing him to hold them hostage. That’s the fault of the Front Office more than anything.
Now, the current state of the team is they are alienating fans by playing like imbeciles on offense; they desperately need to sign Vincent Jackson at high cost; they are just about in a “must win” situation for the next 4-5 games (if they find themselves sitting 1-4 after five games, they are toast) In the blink of an eye, this group went from being a popular choice to at least win the NFC North, to a team that might only be the third best team in that division.
I want them to wake up, get healthy, find a renewed conviction and reel off some nice wins in succession. But with that schedule, and that passing offense (I didn’t even bother to bash the Offensive Line, but the issues there are obvious), I am afraid the prospects are dim. I see 7-9 as the outcome. What a shame.
Something missing for me.
Where is the fire from anyone on the sidelines. Is anyone pissed off on this team. Jesus! Can we get Eric Bienemy to yell at someone besides AP. Isnt there someone on this team to blow a gasket and get these guys motivated? Chilly? Hutch? Allen? SOMEBODY TURN THIS SHIP AROUND!!!!
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by RileysCannibalJct on Sep 20, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions
I don't
see Favre taking this much longer. He didn’t come back for his last NFL season to be a total utter disappointment with not even a playoff APPEARANCE. However, if we as fans have to be worried that the LIONS are coming to town and we have to sit back and say okay, can we beat them? Would I LIKE to say we can? Of course. Am I completely 100 percent sure the Vikings could take this game? Unfortunately, No. Three weeks ago I would have told you the Vikings should have very little trouble going 3-0 into the bye week. But when you’re looking at the possibility of 0-3 heading into the bye week. Then it becomes scary people.
The Unhappy Favre
Last year Favre showed up and in the first hour, he was laughing, joking, slapping tails, and generally infecting everyone with his passion the game.
This year, Favre hasn’t smiled. He hasn’t laughed. He hasn’t joked. I think I caught a ghost of a smile on his long connect to Shanko, but then it all went away again.
This isn’t caused by the game play. He wasn’t happen from the moment he showed up this time. There’s something else gone, and with it, it’s taken his enjoyment of the game. It may well be affecting his play. I think it may also be impacting the attitude and morale of the rest of he team.
Just as he lifted the team’s morale with his shinanagans last year, this year I think that if he isn’t dragging everyone down with him, then the entire team may be feeling the same thing he is. Morale is important, and so is attitude. I don’t even think a win would change this because this problem existed through the pre-season and before the first game with the Saints.
Whatever the problem is, I think it’s bad. Real bad. It’s sucking the life out of Favre and the Vikings, and if Chilly wants to turn the team around, he’s going to have to fix it, whatever it is.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I know if I was Favre, and had gone through a summer where fans put out a billboard begging me to come back in my town, and three players sent down, and everyone just assuming we would win a home game against a good team … the pressure of everyone’s expectations would make it less fun for me. I think last year had to be funner, there were lots of limited expectations, he was gonna be a game manager, etc. Not this year. Just a guess that this is a factor.
The world b%tching that you’re a diva even though you did your best to escape the media, but there they were waiting in ambush around your pickup every place you go … that can’t help either.
Thing is, he was looking like the grim reaper in the pre-season games too. That’s why I don’t think the issue is caused by the past two games. I’m not saying I know the man personally, but if you look at how he acted last year, compared to this year, it’s a night and day difference. When your key player isn’t happy about being there, and his high morale was so infectious last year, I have to wonder if there’s a serious morale issue on the squad. And what’s changed for Favre? Is this the root of the problem? I don’t know, but it worries me more than any performance issues.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
i understand what you are saying...
i don’t think he has anything he wants to prove this year. i think that was serious motivation for him last year, along with revenge over the puckers. then, he got his ass beat into the turf in the nfccg, but he played well…well, until he bretted a few.
so, this year, i think he feels old, he’s got nothing to prove, he knows the line is only going to give him a little time in the pocket, and he doesn’t have the receivers he had last year to make big catches. what i mean is, he has much less to motivate him.
also, the FO has coddled him sooooo much, and made him out to be the face of the franchise and the savior. but, i think he knows that this is a lot of pressure and that getting as far this year will be much more difficult than anyone is willing to admit. i think he knows that we will fall short of last year’s run, and that all of the people looking to him with hope right now, will be dissapointed.
this is why i think he appears to be so sullen and not at all fired up. i don’t think he believes that the team will meet the expectations of the fans and organization. (plus, i still think that brett thinks chilly is a delusional weenie).
he’s playing for the money, imo.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
he’s playing for the money, imo.
Good for him, I say. After all, it sounded like he was gently trying to tell Longwell, Hutchinson and Allen ‘no’ until Allen asked him for a favor. I think Favre was genuinely up and down about it all offseason- getting surgery I think was a sign of that. But once it was getting down to the wire I guess he really realized he just didn’t want to do it anymore. It does have to be hard though when you see that billboard and when your three best friends on the team fly down from practice to beg you back- I don’t buy that Favre is a diva, so I think he was more touched my the move rather than, say, just soaking up the attention and groveling. In the end I suppose we should have just let him retire, but who knew? After all, even anti-Favre people admitted that our chances of a Super Bowl went up dramatically when he arrived. You do what you feel you gotta do to win.
this is why i think he appears to be so sullen and not at all fired up. i don’t think he believes that the team will meet the expectations of the fans and organization.
Yes, I could not believe all the people here at DN who voted that we were gonna win 14 games in the poll we had over the summer (I voted 10 or 11 wins I think, and as you know I’ve always believed we could start 3-3 … and that’s when I believed Rice would be here, and Favre would actually shock us and show up for camp in early August!)
People need to keep there expectations in check, this was never going to be an easy schedule. I saw us in the playoffs as the #3-4 seed if we could sweep Packers, otherwise probably #6 as a wildcard. Well, I guess that is the silver lining of 0-2, fans are coming back down to earth … though with a thud. Hopefully no one is expecting 14 wins now!
At least you guys, I believe have re-found your identity. Ya'll are once again a Running team....
Until cammy, percy and Sidney come to fruition. AP is a horse and I’m obviously preaching to the choir. 30+ plus carries…35/40 total with his great screen play. I down right feel sorry for Detroit…. I’m very impressed with ya’lls sight and your overall insight overall. I’m sure now I’ve out stayed my welcome and ya’ll are prob thinking " get the hell off your site" there is a site for " you people" in south Fla. Understood. 11 – 5.. For real. Take care guys.
by Phins4life2334 on Sep 20, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks man, I think you are right
I said it since before game 1 against the Saints, that to survive until Griffen, Cook, and Rice get back we needed to run the rock with AD and Gerhart, play tough D, and win close and ugly games.
To some extent we did that, but we failed to close the deal and actually WIN these close games. Now it may be too late. But if (and sadly, this is a big IF) we can beat Detroit, get to the bye, trade for VIncent Jackson, go 2-2 against the Jets-Cowboys-Packers-Patriots, then we are sitting at 3-4 with a favorable final 9 games. Then, maybe, just maybe, this team heats up with WR corp of Jackson, Rice, Harvin, Berrian, and Camarillo, a solid D, and of course All Day Peterson.
But I don’t know if it will happen…
Shaking things down
We’re just trying to figure out what the hell’s wrong with our team. From the outside it’s probably easy to say, “wow, you guys just don’t have a passing game” or for some, “what’s hard to understand about sucking?”, but we’re looking at a team that sent 12 guys to the Pro Bowl last year, and was only stopped from thundering into the Super Bowl by it’s own mistakes. The same guys are on the field now, 9 months later, but they don’t look like the same. What happened?
I’m sure now I’ve out stayed my welcome and ya’ll are prob thinking " get the hell off your site" there is a site for " you people" in south Fla. Understood.
Not as far as I’m concerned. You and your fellow ’Phins Fans have been classy and your team played a good, hard, clean game. I respect that, and you guys for it, and you deserved the W, no question about it. Thanks for coming by.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
When other fans talk nice like you do, I figure you’re as welcome here as long as you want to be. Then again I’m not an administrator or anything, but it strikes me as a general feeling. :P Side note- I had to watch that game with my mother, who is a diehard Dolphins fan (dumb decision, thought it would be a nice family moment). Right now I like you better than her. LOL!
Playing Tight
Chilly needs to take the boys out for some mini-golf or something and loosen up the atmosphere. Maybe run up to Favre and smack him on the keister and show some ‘pants on the ground’ video!
Nobody looks like they’re having any fun out there, as if there’s sooo much pressure to win the SB this year they’re just choking.
As good as the Lions have been so far, though, I feel sorry for them Sunday. AD is a man possessed, Camarillo has learned some extra plays, and no way we turn the ball over 4 times again. I think we might even see some TJ wildcat action as we go ashore and burn the boats this Sunday. Vikes 34, Lions 10.
SKOOOOOL!!!!!
I think Joe Webb playing a Wildcat formation for the Vikings is a pipe dream, unfortunately. Hey, I’d love to see it as much as the next man, but Childress strikes me as just too much of a vanilla coach for that. He runs a west coast offense and a Tampa-2 defensive scheme- and while he can do it well, let’s face facts, that’s some pretty uninspired stuff at the end of the day. Unfortunately, it’s also a relatively predictable thing with him. His idea of a surprise play is going for it on 4th and 2 in the opening drive. This isn’t Payton kicking an on-side kick to start the second half of a Super Bowl.
Eh… I know people are pissed that both the Saints and Dolphins managed to score on us relatively easily right in the beginning of the game. But I’m OK with that, even though we would have won both games without those TD’s. The defense comes out of the gate having no idea what they’re going to see. Once Frazier gets a bead on the offense, though, he sure as sh*t seems to be able to never let them repeat that again, and he does that pretty fast. In reality, for any other team, it would be a great plan- OK, they’ll score early, but then they are lucky to squeeze a second score out after that (the Dolphin’s offense never even got to field goal range after that). The fault of that lies on our offense simply not being able to at least match the points, and with what we all believed our offense would be (and what it damn well SHOULD be), it seems again like this would have been all fine and good. Hell, for all we know, it’s practically intentional from Frazier’s standpoint- he could be trying to build overconfidence in the opposing offense while also giving himself a good, relaxed view at what they are doing. Again, I wouldn’t blame him if he had planned that way in the offseason, figuring the second highest scoring offense in the NFL last year would just pick up the slack.
I agree that D is doing well but...
How the other defensive coordinators are able to get one up on us while Frazier cannot do it without giving a TD? We need a plan fr opening drives like Saints had against us.
Skol Vikings
4 turnovers
Vikings should have definitely won that game. They led all the stats apart from the turnovers and of course the score. When the QB turns the ball over 4 times it makes life hard. The turnovers were awful. 2 goal line INTs and a sacked fumble in his own end zone. There was no need for Favre to do the superman act. The INT to the left side of the end zone was a terrible decision. The sack fumble was avoidable. You do not dwell in one spot in your own end zone with the pass rushers swarming all over you. Throw the ball away early. The decision to not kick the field goal on 4th and 2 in the first quarter did not make any sense. The decision proved costly. When easy points are available you take them.
I felt sorry for AP. It’s the best I have seen him run since 2008. He was incredible. There is a determination in his body language that suggests this will be a big big season for him. It was a damn shame he didn’t get in the end zone on 4th and 1.
I see a lot of criticism of the O-line but they look a lot better than last year. I’m actually seeing holes for AP to run into and Favre has not been roughed up yet.
I think Detroit will get their asses handed to them next up. Favre does not have to be superman. Running game, screens, short passes and strong D will get the job done. The next 4 games after that will be tough but they are winnable.
I think AP’s failure to get into the end zone was partly because it was, after all, his sixth run in a row. Was anyone else surprised they didn’t give Gerhart a go on 2nd and goal? OK, don’t do it on first, third or (obviously) fourth, but even a moment’s pause for AP to catch his breath, get his vision to surely refocus, and throw off the defense a little.
True
But I must admit at the time I was yelling at the TV "Give AP the ball, and again, and again!" The way he was running I would have put money on him getting the 1 yard. If they did a pass play and it was incomplete we’d all be crucifying the play call. Just wasn’t meant to be. As I said before it’s the turnovers that killed us.
by UK Viking fan on Sep 21, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I was the same way, but a running back’s job is brutal- AP may be freakin made of steel, but the guy needs to catch his breath from time to time. I thought that Gerhart should have been given the ball on 2nd and goal right away- after all, it wasn’t like Toby was sucking it up, he did pretty well when he had his shots.
If reciever chemistry is such a problem...
Why haven’t we brought Javon Walker back? I really believed at first he was waived so that they wouldn’t have to garauntee his pay for this year when Rice came back… but here we are, walking into Week 3 and not a peep about that. I mean, it’d be one thing if Berrian, Harvin, Lewis and Camarillo were pulling the load and we were 2-0; yeah, at that point, don’t mess with a good thing. But here we have Camarillo sitting on the sidelines for the majority of games because of a lack of preseason practice, and people are harping about Favre not knowing his recievers anymore (which I don’t totally buy with Harvin and Berrian being around, but hey, they’re suckin’ it up on their end too). Favre seemed pleased with having Walker around, and he did alright in preseason (I know, I know, but still, it’s something). Vincent Jackson’s not going to happen, not without some Herschel Walker style of trade apparently at this point. I’m pissed at Housh being a Raven right now, but the past is the past- Walker is still right there! Get him back! It honestly can’t get worse than this. He really strikes me as the kind of player Favre can turn into something great again, especially considering the extra history.
Does anyone know why this hasn’t happened yet? Did Walker piss in Childress’ coffee pot or something?
Still too early to relive that trade.......
But I agree, bring back Walker.
Not in his coffee but maybe his corn flakes
Sidney will not be at 100% at all this season. Its rather fanciful to expect a guy who had hip surgery only last month to come in and play anywhere near top level before January. Therefore the Vikings need a WR if this is indeed an ‘all in’ season. If they want to save money and picks etc with a QB in mind for next year then fair enough. Keep the current receiving corps, reign in Favre and fight it out smash mouth football with the hope of a 10-6 season. If the Vikes squeeze into the play offs, Sidney could be coming into form, the other receivers more confident and Favre might be able to air it out a bit more.
The Coaching does need to improve though. The play calls are the most vanilla in the National Football League.
There is just no rhythm to our Offense
We look like Elaine dancing on Seinfeld. We move but there is no coordinated effort. We knew at the start of the year we were not going to be a quick strike offense and would need long sustained drives. To do this you need balance and rhythm get the defense back on their heels and keep them guessing. We are just so dang predictable especially the closer we get to the endzone. Run the hurry up or no huddle try something different. What about a screen or three step slant.
by SouthernNorseman on Sep 21, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions
Noone smiles when they are sucking
I’d be more pissed if Favre looked like he was having fun throwing 3 INT’s and potentially 4 and fumbling for a touchdown. Even Peterson doesn’t look like he’s having fun. Duh. We are 0-2.
There is rhythm to our offense. Like someone else said, we are moving the chains, we are out-gaining our opponents on the ground. We are losing the turn-over battle. Plain and simple. You lose the turn-over battle you lose the game.
The only problem I had with the coaching this season is when they quit running Peterson in the second half against the saints. He did fine play-calling against the Dolphins. All I heard when we went for it on 4th down in the 1st quarter was the fans cheering. Yet when we don’t make it they boo??…ha..ha.
we lost both games within striking distance of winning it. Defenses always look better at the beggining of the season. Offense takes time. The Saints, for example, aren’t exactly looking like they should be. Thats why in the 1st couple of weeks you don’t bet on games. Its always been that way. Especially when your offense hasn’t had much time to gel.
The schedule talk. Its “tough” so we won’t have a chance. Geez. Its the NFL, every game is tough. Thats why they’ve had salary caps and restrictions to prevent from just stacking teams. There will always be a weakness on a team because of this. Our biggest weakness is our turnovers. We start winning the turnover battle, or atleast making it neutral, our team will start winning the ball games. Its that simple for me. Bickering about every play and every player is nonsense. Play smart; always have the ball tucked, make the safer decisions, and continue to improve.
The way I see it we are 2 games out of the division and we play both of those teams twice. Our next 2 games we match up well against. Detroit can be exploited in the secondary even if our recievers aren’t playing well. Our defense will apply a world wind more of pressure against the Lions then the O-line we’ve currently faced. Double Calvin and focus on Best. The J-E-T-S bla bla bla. We will be able to run on these guys. We will be able to stop the worst quarterback in the AFC (just my opinion). Will it happen? I don’t know..but it has more a chance of happening then not.
SKOL
by PurpleJesuZ on Sep 21, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+111111
This is the best post I have read in the last 2 days. We can win these games, just hold onto the frikken ball.
We can win these games, just hold onto the frikken ball.
“just hold onto the frikken ball” he says….that’s it? yea, nooooo problem….how about also :
- don’t let the dt waltz past your te and lt to a sleeping duck qb sitting in our own end zone.
- don’t make stupid coaching decisions.
- don’t throw the ball to a crappy receiver when he is blanket covered.
- don’t throw the ball 3 feet behind your receiver into the hands of a defender.
- block the defense in such a way that the running backs have what is known as a “hole”.
- block the defense to give the qb a pocket and some time to throw.
- don’t “go for it” on 4th and 2 at the 26 yard line on your opening drive.
- call plays that spread the defense and make them guess what we might be doing.
- don’t ‘air it out’ on 1st down at our 35 w/ 6:10 to go in the 4th when we need to sustain a drive, eat clock, and score a touchdown…especially to BB double covered, and underthrown.
- don’t let your $48million LT drive away on a cart when he jambs a finger in the 4th quarter of a game we can win…use some tape and send him back in.
- put camarillo in at receiver and throw the ball to him and shank.
- call play action !!!
- call screen plays !!!
- ditch the lame ‘zone blocking’ scheme that had matt birk running from the team.
- and another simple thing, get a new head coach.
then we might end up with a wild card birth.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Jethro do you belive in anything or are you always down you would be a great motivational spearker!!!!!!!!!!
those are the things that separate 0-2 from 2-0, imo.
if we cut out the mistakes, execute assignments, and manage the coaching and game decisions better…i believe we could be 2-0 right now…with this team (in spite of injuries).
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
If they hold onto the ball, they probably win both games,
maybe not the first one, but for sure the second one. Regardless of all your pretty little bullet points.
Sucking has little to do with it
Noone smiles when they are sucking
I’d be more pissed if Favre looked like he was having fun throwing 3 INT’s and potentially 4 and fumbling for a touchdown. Even Peterson doesn’t look like he’s having fun. Duh. We are 0-2.
So how come he wasn’t smiling, laughing, and joking, before the season started? You know, like he was last year? This is the man who’s infamous for his great attitude and the sheer FUN he has playing the game. Something ain’t right…. something so bad that it’s taken the wind out of Favre’s sails.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Now, that part is going to anger some of you, because apparently criticism of our quarterback is verboten.
Why do you even say that? Is there anyone (except for R4F?) that is saying that? Why act like everyone does? And then there’s the mention of banning people if they don’t talk about the QB in the right context in the very next sentence after this.
You make good points, but I’ll be honest, I’m getting kinda tired of the constant chip on your shoulder, it’s starting to grate. Take a deep breath, no need to be so angry and confrontational. Worse, you are usually preemptively confrontational, meaning you expect someone will be confrontational, so you don’t even wait, and start it yourself in anticipation.
I said what I said about the quarterbacks
To attempt to avoid something like this.
If people want to try to talk about the Vikings’ quarterback situation in racial terms, then they can piss off and do it somewhere else. This is a football website, not the official website of the Klan or the Westboro Baptist Church.
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 21, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
Beat me to it, lol.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Yes, I know what you are referring to. I saw it at the time it was first posted, and just ignored it. The thing is, notice no one took the bait. It was being handled well by the community, until Ted did what he should, came along & shut it down. That seemed sufficient, it was done, it would have been better just to move on without drawing more attention to it IMO.
I guess I’m just a TR fan, “speak softly and carry a big stick.” Running around waving that stick around, saying “look at my big stick! Here’s what I’m gonna hit, if someone gives me a target!” seems a tad overzealous. Just my .02
There was a thread about TJ and Favre
in the fanposts, and it was quickly degenerating into a racism thing.
"Whoever said that the pen is mightier than the sword never encountered automatic weapons."
Neither do I
Well, not on an NFL football field, anyway :)
Maybe the Vikings should pay me a few mill to play in garbage time too :)
Or even better, I bet I could carry a clipboard like nobody’s business, and because I’m not greedy like that Rosendude, I’ll do it for an even $1 million a year!
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Come on Brett!!!!!
One can look at Brett in the last 2 games and tell hes not enjoying what hes doing. I am utterly astonished as to whats going on with him,but it aint good! For Gods sake #4,if you dont wanna play no more hang it up!!!!!Anyone else see this?And i have been hard on Bernard Berrian i know.BUT IM NOT LETTN UP UNTIL HES RAN OUTTA TOWN!!! Hes been and will remain a no football playn PU@@y since he came to town!Did he catch chili FU##ing a mule or what?I can think of no other reason hes on the field.I was elated that you came back #4,but you and we all know youre far better than this!! We are down but not out,just as long as you dig deep and grap the presence you displayed last year. And most of us didnt fault you for losing to the saints.Do you wanna go out on top? Im sure you do!!!!
Yes I have always thought that if we do pull it out this year, ist by taking the NY Giants route — peak late, sneak in as wildcard (or maybe catch packers from behind if we can somehwo win the lambeau game & then sweep them) … climb the mountain the hard way. I’m not sure that scenario is realistic with a 41yo QB, but if all the stars line up …
It is all part of the NFLs plan
This is rigged. They wanted the Vikings to lose the first 2 games so they can have a miraculous come back for B. Favre!
aawww now...BULLS##T!!!!!!!
The simple facts are the same every friggn year we have this Gerald McRainey looking MORON as a WANNABE HEAD Coach !!!!! OMG!!!! How long can this go on? There are high school coaches who would have done better than him. Zigmeister needs to set him,Bryant McKinney,Bernard,Tarvaris,and Sullivan on a bus outta town. But no…He lets Matt Birk,Chester Taylor,and farther back we allowed 2 great coaches go named Tomlin and one one named Dungy!!!!! Could somebody explain to me what the h##l is up? Now… we have a defensive coordinator who i feel would be a good one and a guy in scouting by the name of Studwell who was a friggn WARRIOR!!! But alas,they will be allowed to let go. Ziggy outta take the afore mentioned bus crew and start a car wash in minnesota!!!!!!
OHHH IM NOT DONE!!!!!
Albert Einstein once said " The definition of a fool is one who continues to expect different results from the same actions" Its simple… if it aint broke dont fix it-if it aint workin try somethin different! Chili is so predictable its a joke! Yea i got wood when he went for the 4th and 2, but you would think he would call a better play than one that sent his running back into a stacked defensive line.They were waiting for it!!!!This team aint goin nowhere with this nimrod holding the reigns. This breaks my heart because,although i am from Ohio,I have Purple blood.Have for 40 years.No matter how good,how bad,how beat up,how down they are; i love my team.Is anyone else sick n tired of seeing a very talented team be taken down annually by a wannabe head coach-and an owner who dont have a clue?
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