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Everybody Blames Bernard


Bernard Berrian feels like some people are making him the scapegoat... from the coaches to the fans.

That's the word from NBC's Pro Football Talk and other sources. The question is, do you think it's fair for him to take so much heat for the Vikings been 0-2?

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Personally, I don't think it's fair at all. Berrian is what he is, a decent #2 WR who's injury-prone and inconsistent. I think he's better suited to being a backup WR (for a lot less money), but he's the horse we got so we have him in harness. 

Chilly should know BB's strengths and limitations and plan accordingly.

The WR coach should know BB's strengths and limitations and coach him to take advantage of the former and compensate for the latter. Guess who's fault I think it is if BB isn't doing that?

Favre shold know BB's strengths and weaknesses and throw the ball accordingly.

In the past couple games, lots of folks made lots of mistakes in key situations. As Adrian Peterson said, change the results of 5 or 6 plays and the team would be 2-0 instead of 0-2, both games could have gone either way. Where I (and many others, I suspect) are disgruntled is that we don't think either game should have been that close to begin with. The losses were team losses, and not attributable to any one person. IMO.

Who do you think should take the rap for the Viking's miserable start?

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Who's responsible for the Vikings 0-2 start?
BERNARD BERRIAN, the creep! Stoning's too good for him!
22 votes
Favre did it. He's still a secret Packer, sabotaging us.
14 votes
It's Harvin's fault. He's faking the headaches, just like my wife.
2 votes
Gris Gris Man's curse is working! VOOOO-DOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
5 votes
Chilly's fault all the way, he's a loser in a pink moo-moo
57 votes
The Vikings win as a team, and they lose as a team
107 votes

207 votes | Poll has closed

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Plenty of blame to go around for the losses.

I voted Favre because he’s the QB and directs the offense that has struggled. Obviously the offensive struggles go beyond his inaccuracy and turnovers but so far he’s made the most noticeable mistakes on offense. Harvin, Berrian, and inconsistent O-line play are also to blame for the offensive struggles.

Harvin and Berrian have to produce more and hopefully they, and every other receiver not named Shiancoe, get their timing back with Favre soon. The O-line has played good at times but has also been very inconsistent, especially in the passing game.

by CanadianViking on Sep 23, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Favre seems to treat Berrian like he did Rice, throw him the ball and expect him to fight for it.

Too bad Berrian weighs like 45 pounds soaking wet.

There are multiple issues plaguing Berrian, but that does not mean he cannot be a good WR. He has been in the past and will be again once him and Favre are on the same page.

Now, anyone interested in Braylon Edwards?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/23/erroneous-rumors-fly-of-braylon-edwards-impending-release/

Despite his immense baggage, he might be picked up for cheap and will probably help us out a lot.

by Bjorno on Sep 23, 2010 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Think they release Edwards after this weeks game which coincides with Santonio's supension ending?

I’m not sure about picking Edwards up. It’s that old talent versus character thing and even though they have pretty much the same issues Edwards scares me much more than Jackson did. He would be an upgrade in talent though so I’d be okay with taking a flier on him if he’s released.

by CanadianViking on Sep 23, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forget character

BB and Madieu are great guys, and they have not led the Vikings very far. The Vikes can always release Braylon if they feel they need to do so.

by KC Viking on Sep 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody wins the Blame Game- Simply concentrate on Detroit.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Sep 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely!

I agree completely. Football is a team sport and the team wins or loses. Berrian is a good receiver who has not seen many footballs come his way last year or this year. I have faith that the team will come together. I am considering the amount of time some of them missed training camp with injuries and “indecision”.

by TexasViking on Sep 23, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Highly paid

Highly paid athletes are just that. Paid to get the job done. As I see it Berrian is weak as a fighter. He doesnt like contact. “hes a speed guy”. Well, thats nice if you’re in track & field but this is football. He needs to at least appear to give a damn, once in a while. Thats what I dont like. He always seems to be giving a half-assed effort.

He got so much cash when he signed that this blame thing is partially the perception that a front office mistake of wayyyyy over paying for a mediocre reciever cause’ he’s fast (kinda’ like Williamson) means that we get Randy Moss. The guy is over paid so naturally, hes a target. My 2 cents.

by Viking64 on Sep 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

This is true

You have to preform to your salary or higher.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 24, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope this doesn't come across as trolling

If it does, it’s not my intention so I’ll apoligize in advance. I may be a Lions fan, but I’m not trying to pick a fight, just giving an outsider perspective…
Berrian is partly to blame. When you’re getting paid that kind of cash, you better produce no matter what.
Sidney Rice is partly to blame. I understand not wanting to go under the knife, but when the hip wasn’t responding to treatment 3-4 months after the injury, he should’ve manned up and had it.
Favre is partly to blame. He should’ve had his surgery much earlier and gotten into training camp. I know , I know, he didn’t need camp last year and kicked major NFL ass, but that was last year. I know this is going to sound crazy, but how serious is Favre with winning another Super Bowl when he’s skipping important training camp and just assuming things will go smoothly? I will never question his love of the game, but I might question his commitment to winning it all.
The Vikings front office is partly to blame for letting certain players at important positions hold the organization and, more importantly, the fanbase hostage.
Just my worthless 2 cents, sorry if its harsh.

In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot

by JazzyBBP on Sep 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

You're not trolling at all

I agree that everyone has a share of blame, and not only the players you mentioned. Chilly still bears much of the responsibility. I have asked it before but got no responses…

Assuming that things need more time to gel, and/or that more work together will help us improve, why exactly was it that our starting offense sat out the last preseason game?

by Jshore on Sep 23, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So they didn't get hurt

We already had several people who were injured or coming off of injuries.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 24, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right, I understand that part of it

but is it better to sit out of a significant opportunity to develop better chemistry and rhythm? Everyone is equally susceptible to injury in a regular season game, especially if they haven’t developed any cohesion.
 
The practice of sitting starters in the final preseason game is wise if you have a unit that has been through camp as well as 3 preseason games together. Otherwise, for either side of the ball, if your unit is not clicking on all cylinders then it makes no sense to sit.

by Jshore on Sep 24, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I undestand what you are saying..

But there are other things you need to consider.

If the starters do play, they will only be playing for a few series against the opposing teams first string defense. So after the other defense sits, the value of the gameplay drops rather significantly.

Not to mention the fact that the game is just over 2 hours long, they can get more timing and rhythm down by practicing for 4 hours than by playing for 2.

by Bjorno on Sep 24, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Without Sidney and Percy available, training camp wasn't as big a deal as advertised

Walker came and went in the middle of camp, Camarillo was traded for late, Baskett was signed this week. Not a lot of time to work on chemistry.

Shank and Favre haven’t skipped a beat without training camp.

It’s a team game, so I voted team.

However if you want to pull out the pointing finger, there are clearly problems with our pass protection and with receivers unable to get open.

"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula

by NMVike on Sep 24, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely win as a team and lose as a team

There is no need to start pointing fingers, that is how schisms start.

Just need to move forward, we all know the potential of the team. What we’ve seen so far, is far from that.

So far the following players on offense need to step up: Favre, BB (big time), Harvin, the O-Line and whatever other WR’s we throw into the mix. In other words the entire offense needs to step up, and I’m confident that they will.

by dsludo on Sep 23, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Thats what I voted

And… I I laughed at the other options.
Funny stuff

by Deek on Sep 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Cool

Favre threw Berrian under the bus. Typical Brett.

by multi-lakes on Sep 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Favre threw Berrian under the bus.

or, Favre threw him behind the bus?

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 23, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Made me LTMS

I figured it is time for a new internet acronym, so let me introduce to you “LTMS”.

It has all the value of “LOL” but is meant to be much more literal. LOL has lost it’s meaning, it no longer means “Laugh Out Loud” because nobody laughs out loud when they type it.

LTMS is a much better version, standing for Laugh To My Self. I think I am going to use it from now on, just like my failed attempt in high school to bring back the word “Groovy”.

by Bjorno on Sep 24, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, it’s definitely not all on Berrian. Harvin hasn’t looked any better then he has, and none of the other receivers have stepped up either. I think he just gets more attention because everyone expected him to step forth as Favre’s go to guy with Berrian out, and really people initially felt that way before last season.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Berrian's a Tool

And I mean that in the nicest possible way :)

The Head Coach is like the workman, and the players are all tools in his toolbox. He should know what each player is best at, and even if he doesn’t have the perfect tool for every aspect of the job, he should know how to improvise to get the job done. At the end of the day, his task is to win games and he uses his tools accordingly.

Berrian is what he is… I don’t think anyone has any illusions otherwise. No one thinks he’s a Randy Moss or a Donald Driver or a Wes Welker. He’s Bernard Berrian and he should be deployed accordingly. Just like everyone else. You use a screwdriver like it’s a hammer and nothing good is going to come of it.

If anyone’s screwed up where Berrian is concerned, it’s the coaches who need to help him maximize his strengths, compensate for the weaknesses, and put him in the right place at the right time with the right support so that he can help get the job done. Or, in other words, don’t expect him to be your punt returner when that’s clearly not his forte.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, your right. He surely isn’t a punt returner, and he definitely isn’t the possession receiver that Rice is. He’s a deep threat. He should be used as one. Let Camarillo and Harvin run the slants, outs, etc. and let Berrian go deep, which is what he does best.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

BB was said to be healthy . I question that .

I saw him live when he was with the Bears . He was the fastest guy out there . A real matchup nightmare if he could catch the ball . He doesn’t appear to have half that speed anymore . He was allowed to do the reality show because he was suppose to be in football shape . He like Brett looks like he stepped away from the film room this last spring . IMO

by gothicpurple on Sep 23, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is the Pack secondary or Cutler's night-vision problem going to be a bigger factor on Monday ?

I’ll be rooting for the Bear’s because I still see GB as the better team . Both will lack a run game . Sorry but I am hoping for a lot of hitting . And a lot of injuries . Both teams like us are thin in several areas . Do you agree ?

by gothicpurple on Sep 23, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we’ll get a couple of picks but maybe that’s just the homer in me. Cutler has been better this season but he still makes some bonehead throws, and with Woodson, Collins, and Williams often going for the big plays I see them picking one or two off.

I’m worried about injuries. Watching the Bears week 1 and 2, their defense stood out to me. Urlacher still brings the wood, as does Briggs and Harris. I hope guys stay healthy for us.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were you I would be hoping Rodgers gets that ball off quick.

Peppers could be a career ender for him.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 24, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I realize it’s crazy but I’m kind of excited for the Peppers match-up. It looks like Buluga is going to start, and Peppers will obviously be a hell of a test for him. He looked good last week filling in but by no means do the Bills have anybody even close to Peppers. I really want to see how he looks. If he does well against Peppers then it’s probably a safe bet that he’ll end up being a pretty good left tackle for years too come. If not, he can go back to the bench and develop some more behind Clifton.

by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

But do you really think it is good for a rookies confidence...

to get worked over several times in one of his first starts?

Let’s not be delusional. Bulaga is a good lineman, but Peppers is a freak of nature. Add to that his 10 years of experience and Bulaga is going to have some issues.

Though, it will be good practice for when he has to face Jared.

by Bjorno on Sep 24, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

D'oh just reiterated what you wrote.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 24, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I fully expect he will struggle, and no I don’t think it’ll effect his confidence, or at least I’d hope it wouldn’t. Peppers is probably the most physically talented defensive end in the league. There’s no shame in struggling against a guy like him in your first NFL start (if he does indeed end up starting.)

This may be moot though, as it sounds like Clifton’s knee is doing better. McCarthy’s said numerous times that if he’s healthy, he’s still the guy.

by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really I just was listengn to the radio and they were talkign about

how baluga was still toeing the party line and Clifton was goign to be the man. Heck, it would sure be a trial by fire for the guy. to bad his arms are two inches shorter than Peppers.. (32" to 34")
I don’t know if I would throw Baluga to the sharks like that on his first NFL appearance unless Clifton really was done.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Sep 24, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just read today that Clifton’s knee is looking much better. So I’m sure he’ll end up getting the start.

It obviously wouldn’t be ideal but if Clifton isn’t ready to go he’s the best choice we have.

by packallday555 on Sep 24, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

He might just be losing the speed. The hamstring has been a problem for him, and he is 30 now right? Maybe his decline has begun.

by packallday555 on Sep 23, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good comment.

I’d like to see Berrian and Harvin/Camarillo line up on the same side and send Berrian deep to open up some intermediate routes for the other WRs while he draws the coverage. Without a possession receiver ( Sid) on the other side it’s pretty easy to roll coverage to Berrian and eliminate him while squatting on the shorter routes on the other side. Hopefully we’ll see some trip sets, combo routes, and more pre-snap motion to help all our receivers get more space and separation.

by CanadianViking on Sep 23, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I voted for your wife .

She deserves a lot bigger payday . I suggest a short term deal . With lots of upfront money guaranteed . And all the bogus incentives you want . As they won’t be paid out anyway .

by gothicpurple on Sep 23, 2010 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Well I for one...

… think it is a bit pathetic of Berrian to feel like he is being scapegoated. He may be our #2, but he makes #1 money, and isn’t performing. He really didn’t perform much of last year either. Yes, he was hurt much of last season. But I think the reasons matter less than the results.

Berrian isn’t the only problem, but he is a huge part of it. When your #1 goes down, you need the next guy to step up. Berrian hasn’t done it. He should be more worried about his productivity than about what people think.

Now he’s hurt again. He seems incredibly injury prone now. Last season it was a hamstring in camp, lasting the whole year. This season, he’s hardly been involved in the game and somehow has a knee issue.

Being on the field and producing are all that matters. It just doesn’t make much difference what the excuses are. If you aren’t on the field, or aren’t producing on the field, then you aren’t worth paying. If he doesn’t get it together, I think he’ll be cut next season.

 He’s never lived up to his large contract, but in the last two years his performance has really nosedived.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 23, 2010 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes, he was hurt much of last season. But I think the reasons matter less than the results

You don’t think that almost 700 yards receiving in a year where you are injured for more than half of it is a good result? I would have to say that is pretty damned good production for a guy with a bad hammy.

Now he’s hurt again. He seems incredibly injury prone now. Last season it was a hamstring in camp, lasting the whole year. This season, he’s hardly been involved in the game and somehow has a knee issue.

There is a difference between being injury-prone and being dinged up. Dinged up is what Berrian is now, and knee injuries like that happen frequently. He could probably put on about 10-15 pounds and make himself more durable, but that would take away from much of his speed and explosiveness.

He’s never lived up to his large contract, but in the last two years his performance has really nosedived.

Last year it took a minor nosedive due to injury. In ‘08 he put up almost 1000 yards, ’09 he put up almost 700 because of his injury, that is what I call a minor nosedive considering his injury.. This year he is on par with the rest of the receivers on the team, so I don’t know how you can knock him for these two games.

Remember, Favre was rusty for the first two games of last year as well. He barely broke 150 yards passing in either of the first two games. Why wouldn’t you expect him to do the same this year?

by Bjorno on Sep 24, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point is...

… that excuses don’t matter. Production is all that matters. I know he was hurt last year, but what matters is that he had mediocre production last year, and terrible so far this year.

If Jerry Rice was hurt all the time, and didn’t produce, it wouldn’t matter how talented a healthy Jerry Rice can be, does it?

 All that matters is production on the field. Yards, catches, scores. Berrian has performed in no ways commensurate with the $$$ he gets.

It doesn’t matter whether that is due to injury, or lack of talent, or lack of resolve. It just doesn’t matter. He needs to produce like a #1 now, or get shipped somewhere next year.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 24, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know he was hurt last year, but what matters is that he had mediocre production last year, and terrible so far this year.

So are would you say the same thing about Antoine last year? That his performance was mediocre and he should have played better?

And what about his performance was terrible this year? His one drop? Every other receiver on our team this year could be given the same ranking as far as performance is concerned. That “Terrible” performance can be rested squarely on Favre’s shoulders.

Wait until Favre shakes off the rust and gets back in sync with his receivers before you start calling for Berrian’s head.

And yes, he is receiving a much larger share of the blame than he deserves.

by Bjorno on Sep 25, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right...

… but I’ll wait to see it.

And yes, Winfield did not have a good year last year. But he is our best cornerback right now.

If you aren’t on the field, you aren’t producing. Being a great player is equal parts talent and durability. Overall, Winfield has superb durability, with last year as an exception.

Berrian right now hasn’t produced with the hamstring, and hasn’t produced when healthy. Period.

And I agree about the rest of our roster performing poorly. But, the point is, Berrian is right now our #1. He’s got to play like a #1. If you can’t count on your #1 to produce at least 3-4 catches a game, about 40-50 yards, you are going to be screwed.

We don’t play Greg Lewis or Camarillo anything like what we pay Berrian, but they are both just as productive as Berrian this year.

He makes the $$$, he’s going to get the blame when he doesn’t produce more than the 4th and 5th wide receivers on the roster. It’s just a fact. Favre is getting, deservedly, a lot of the blame too since he is the one making the biggest $$$.

That’s the way things work.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 25, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Berrian right now hasn’t produced with the hamstring, and hasn’t produced when healthy. Period.

48 receptions for 964 yards and 7 TD’s, Good for the best YAC and YPC in the league in 2008 with 2 terrible quarterbacks throwing him the ball.

I would call that production.

Considering the fact that all our receivers are struggling, it would make sense that Berrian would struggle when he is the guy getting the double teams.

by Bjorno on Sep 25, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

2008 is...

… ancient history. We all know he has the potential to be good. But until that translates into plays NOW, it’s meaningless. I also don’t buy the “other receivers are struggling” argument either. Most teams have a #1 receiver who consistently draws double teams, and yet still finds a way to produce. You can’t completely stop a really great receiver.

If Berrian is going to make #1 money, then he’s paid to make plays when drawing double teams. Period. Sidney Rice did it last year.

Berrian needs to produce now.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 29, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

You said:

Berrian right now hasn’t produced with the hamstring, and hasn’t produced when healthy. Period.

He was healthy in 2008, and produced. It does not matter if it is “ancient history” to you, the fact that he did produce when healthy proves your above statement to be baseless.

Most teams have a #1 receiver who consistently draws double teams, and yet still finds a way to produce. You can’t completely stop a really great receiver.

He NEVER was a #1 guy. Nor was he ever a “really great receiver”. He was signed as a deep threat, cause our only deep threat at the time was Troy Williamson.

Sure, we signed him and paid him like a #1 but he is not that kind of guy. The only reason we paid him so much is because he was high-demand at the time. He was the best receiver available that year, and we desperately needed an upgrade at the position.

At his size, there is no way he can beat double teams. He is strictly a speed guy, get him in the open field and he can do a heck of a lot. But if he is constantly double-teamed he is not going to do much.

Stop expecting him to be Brandon Marshall just because he is overpaid. That is expecting too much out of the guy, and will always result in you being let down.

I also don’t buy the "other receivers are struggling" argument either.

When Adrian Peterson is your top receiver, then you have receiver issues.

by Bjorno on Sep 29, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hardly disagree...

… that we have receiver issues. You just seem to be absolving Berrian of the blame, whereas I think that since Berrian is the de facto #1 receiver, is paid the most, and is producing the least of the group, he deserves the lion’s share of the blame.

And yeah, 2008 is ancient history. If you aren’t getting it done on the field now, then any team is going to start looking around for an answer. Which probably means looking to fill your spot with someone who will produce. Or, sometimes a guy on your roster gets more time and starts to take your spot. Unfortunately, right now that guy appears to not be on our roster.

Berrian produced in the past, I agree, but that really doesn’t matter if he doesn’t produce now.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 30, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Look, it is everybodys fault on the offense

as I have stated before, Favre isn’t that sharp right now. But neither is any other reciever minus the TE. And if Berrian is feeling like a scapegoat, then come and say hey, I can’t do it. I can’t be a number one. Im being paid like a number one (sorta anyways) but I can’t just go up and get the ball. Yes the coaching staff should know what the limitations are concerning Berrian and Favre should also know. But when the recievers can’t get separation, then you might as well not have a reciever or quarterback out there and line up 10 really huge guys and let AP run it all day long. The blame is on the the entire offense minus AP because lets face it, he is playing pretty damn good.

by SeanInEauClaireWi on Sep 24, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions  

BB is paid like a #2

And we are surprised that he is not stepping up to a #1 roll? I agree that BB is not performing at peak but even if he were able to be at peak I don’t think that we would be happy with his performance. Sometimes a #2 is a #2 for a reason.
I saw BB at training camp the year we got him, he was lightening fast but not much bigger than a pencil.. He will never be the guy that goes up to fight for the ball he just isn’t big enough. To be that guy you need to have an attitude like “I will come down with the ball or I will rip your head off and use that instead” BB is never going to that guy.
I wish BB was a #1 but he will never be more than a #2 because he wont ever want to rip the defenders head off. We want him to do more than he is capable of doing.

I like BB but we need to lower our expectations of him and let him be who he is.

Then when he doesn’t do his job we can rip him a new one

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

John Wayne

by just another viking on Sep 24, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

oops, reply fail...see below.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 24, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

BB is paid like a #2

bb is paid like a #1…he averages $7.23million/year for 6 years. we was paid $20million for the last 2 years already…this year looks like the lull year in his contract, but it was structured to be cap friendly.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 24, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Didn't know that

All I saw was this years salary.

Lucky Bastard

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

John Wayne

by just another viking on Sep 24, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea, it's a shell game...his salary this year is $3.7m, and his cap number is $5.5m

Bernard Berrian | Wide Receiver
CONTRACT INFO: 3/1/2008: Signed a six-year, $43.4 million contract.

3/1/2008: Signed a six-year, $43.4 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus, a first-year roster bonus of $8 million, and a second-year roster bonus of $3 million. 2010: $3.7 million, 2011: $3.9 million, 2012: $6.9 million, 2013: $7.9 million, 2014: Free Agent

2007: $850k sal / $672k sign / $5k roster = $855k total / 1.02m cap (with the bears)

2008: $605k sal / $5m sign / $8m roster = $13.7m total / $9.538m cap
2009: $2.4m sal / $0 sign / $3.1m roster = $5.5m total / $6.328m cap
2010: $3.7m sal / $0 sign / $0 roster = $3.7m total / $5.495m cap
2011: $3.9m sal
2012: $6.9m sal
2013: $7.9m sal

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Sep 24, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering the fact that he is getting under 4 million for '10 and '11

Then he is not that expensive to keep on the roster for now.

Obviously, if he wants to get paid the 6.9 and 7.9 he is due to get, he will have to perform much better. Otherwise we will probably cut him.

But for now, he is relatively safe.

by Bjorno on Sep 24, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where can I sign up for a gig like that?

I would love to get a ungodly amount of money and then never do any thing! and then when it I get called on the carpet for under performance I can just blame injuries.
My Idea of BB has just changed. I was thinking that he was only brought in to be a #2 and when everybody was jumping on him for not performing I thought it was just frustration. Now I understand the outrage.
With that kind of money there is no excuse.

thanks Jethro for straitening me out.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

John Wayne

by just another viking on Sep 25, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo...

Paid like a #1, and last year played like #4. This year, he has looked absolutely invisible.

Injuries are no excuse. It doesn’t matter the reasons why a guy isn’t performing, it just matters that he isn’t getting it done.

by HammeroftheGods on Sep 24, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

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