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Observations from the Vikings vs Broncos

The DVR was smoking today as I went over the Vikings v Broncos, jumping back and forth. To be honest, none of it is really that critical since we're talking 2nd and 3rd stringers, but hey, it's Vikings ball and I do love it so :)

Anyway, this is what seemed worth noting.

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Offense;

In general, the O-line performed as expected, showing they need some help. They drew too many penalties in the beginning of the game and even after warming up, didn't give the QBs much time either. What they did do good was open some lanes for the RBs to squirt through. Not big holes, but it was enough.

Tarvaris Jackson - Failed to take advantage of opposition's mistakes, he didn't seem to even look to see what was going on as he ran pre-programmed plays. He displayed marginal accuracy, poor throws, poor situational awareness, stared down targets, and I never once saw him check down. He's clearly going with his first target and if that doesn't work out, he's floundering. I don't like his decision-making, he's going with what he seems to have already decided will be his target instead of going for the targets he needs or giving the play a chance to develop and going for a better target. I know that he's familiar with the offense, I know he's likeable, but the only excuse I can think of for keeping him is in case Favre goes down hard and the Vikings need a semi-functional #3 QB. No way this guy should be #2.

Sage Rosenfels - He can get the job done, he looks like a real NFL backup. It's crazy that he's #3. 

Webb is smooth, accurate, but I worry about his willingness to rabbit downfield. I can't help it, I like this guy at QB. I'm just afraid he's going to get hurt on one of his take-offs. I like the look in his eyes as he scans the field, he's not lost at all. I also like the fact that he's strong enough to hold off the occassional over-eager defender. No way he survives through the practice squad.

Freddie Brown. Who? This guy's got to be on the outside of the bubble.

Albert Young - Solid, competent, reliable, willing to tuck his chin down and push underneath. He doesn't give up, he keeps grinding even after contact. Got to find a way to keep him. 

Dugan and Mills - Neither one was impressive, both appeared to have stone hands. I'm sticking with my original observation here, let Dugan go and keep Schuler. 

Taye Biddle - Not real fast, couldn't outrun the corners, I'm still not sure why he's with the team.

Ian Johnson - Clearly has potential but I think the Vikings have too much talent at RB for him to survive.

Javon Walker - Still not that impressive, but maybe he just needs time. Yes, he scored a TD that he came back to catch, but over all I'd still rather the Vikings had kept Mitchell over Walker. Now that we have him, hopefully he'll warm up as the season progresses. Reps make a difference.

Darius Reynaud - What can't he do well? I think he needs more reps as an RB if the Vikings are serious about using him there with any regularity; he needs to be more protective of the ball when running in a crowd.

 

Defense;

The D-line did a great job of collapsing the pocket but wasn't getting consistent penetration unless it was with a speed-rush off the line. While that was impressive, it also tended to draw penalties. I'd like to see them get more inside pressure through power rushes. I think against a 1st string o-line, they'd get drawn into more penalties.

The secondary was swarming in the flat, everyone was on it in the first 3 quarters, but they faded in the 4th. 

This backup D seems very interested in take-aways, I like that. They're going for the ball every play, looking for opportunities. I hope they got that from the 1st team.

Sherels - Too small, often too late, he relies on tackling after the fact, good blitzer only if no one notices him, and he can't get through the WR if the ball's on the other side. On coverage, this guy gets beat like a red-headed step-child; let him go.

Jasper Brinkley continues to improve and impress. I'm glad we have him behind E.J.

Colt Anderson - High motor, plays hard, hits hard, good tackler, tenacious, was consistently double-teamed on ST. I hope we keep him, the guy is beastly. 

Lito Sheppard is working hard, making good effort, but he needs to be more careful in his contact. We'll have two top CBs injured but returning, Griff and Cook. I suspect Lito's days are numbered.

Asher Allen looking good but not quite ready for prime time yet. Both him and Sherels aren't looking for and tracking on the ball enough.

Erin Henderson - Good situational awareness, still developing. Loved the way Brinkley ran wing-man for Erin on the pickup and TD run, these guys are in tune. Henderson is a show-stopper all by himself, he doesn't let anyone run him down.

Tyrell Johnson seems to feel the heat and be getting some motivation. About damned time. He's finally looking for the take-away, there may be hope for that young man yet.

DeAndre Wright, has great hustle but just doesn't seem to make the plays, despite being in the right place at the right time. Yes, I liked his spearing of the ball to force a fumble, but I'm more interested in his man-coverage and his ability to win that contest. Put this young man back in the oven to finish baking, Practice Squad if possible.

Onatolu continues to be a beast, you gotta love his ST play.

 

Rhys Lloyd is getting his distance down now, finally. That extra 5 yards is making the difference. He's consistently getting to the back half of the end-zone, can't ask for any better than that.

 

Final thoughts;

It was kinda funny when the announcer said that on a QB rabbit that came up short, Tebow should have put his shouder down and run over Farwell. I think it's easy to say that when you are the one staring into an on-comming Heath Farwell, IMO Tebow did the right thing. Go down easy.

I must admit, I love hearing the Gjallerhorn and Led Zeppelin being played over the stadium speakers :)

Hererra's kid looks like a go-getter, keep an eye on that one :)

I just freaking hate it that the NFL doesn't have a junior league where they could send some of their guys to play until they can come up to speed. So much talent and we're going to lose a lot of it. 

Vikings cheerleaders are as lovely as always :)


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Yup, just saw that.

Damn the luck. But then, who would give us anything for T-Jack? I just hope the Vikings got something good in exchange, the compensation info isn’t released yet.

Sage to NYG

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 3, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

some observations

I liked DeAndre Wright and Marcus Sherels. Both got a lot of playing time. They need to improve, including in their coverage skills. Neither were afraid to make contact.

In a two-play sequence, Tebow hit a receiver deep over Wright’s pretty good coverage. It was a 30 yard gain or something. On the next play, Wright forced a fumble that was recovered by the Vikings. One thing I look for in cornerbacks is how they react to adversity. In the NFL, the passing game has lots of advantages in the rules. The cornerback will give up a long gain from time to time. It should be rare, but it will happen. The question is what the cornerback does next. I really liked how Wright kept his head in the game after giving up the big play.

The Vikings give up too much passing yardage. We made Brady Quinn look like Joe Montana. Tebow did well too. Our “soft cover 2 shell” scheme is foolish in my opinion. Sometimes I wonder what Frazier is doing. That said, the Vikings created turnovers, which is important.

Jeff Dugan’s drop was sad. That one drop isn’t the reason why, but it will be sad to see if he doesn’t make the team. He has been a good Viking for years, and he has helped the team in many ways. That said, Shuler is probably ready to do the job and catch a lot of footballs, too.

Our defensive line played well, but occasionally they got blown off the ball and the Broncos would rush for a 20-yard gain.

Jackson didn’t get much time to play. He couldn’t get in rhythm. Not sure what’s going on there.

Patrick Brown should make the team as the backup left tackle.

I hope Tripplett makes it to the practice squad. He has talent. He just can’t quite unseat any of the Vikings’ entrenched linebacking vets.

by medicineball on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

One observation on Jackson.

I think he only attempted about 26 passes all preseason and about 10-12 of them were screen/swing passes to Young and Gerhart. This is only a guess but I think Childress decided to keep TJ in training camp and used him to run plays primarily to decide the backup RB and third down RB roles. There were just too many screen plays called when Jackson was playing to be just coincidental in my opinion. In comparison Sage only ran a few screens as Childress wanted to pump up his stats a bit.

by CanadianViking on Sep 3, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pick up one, and leave the others behind

On Sherels, I did like his aggressive blitzing despite his diminutive size, but I was struck by the fact that if the ball goes high or the receiver can get between him the ball, he’s limited to tackling after the reception’s been made.

I do agree on Wright’s mental toughness, the man had something to prove and he didn’t let 1 mistake shut him down.

But would you keep either of those two over Colt Anderson?

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 4, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe because he didn't get much, if any, play time?

I don’t remember seeing him on the field for even 1 play, and I was watching the RBs. It was Young and D-Rey and D’Imperio, and D’Imperio didn’t get much play time.

I have a feeling that the game was used to winnow the final decisions on who to keep and who to let go. If we saw a lot of someone, it was probably a sign they were being looked hard at.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 4, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sanford will start

Zulgadd has a good observation in Saturday’s StTrib. Sanford didn’t dress for the Broncos, but Tyrell Johnson did. That probably means Sanford has won the job as starting SS.

by medicineball on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Good observations

It is fun watching the bottom of the pecking order try to show what they have learned in TC. After watching numerous back-up QBs the last few weeks I have this to say.
T-Jack needs to get the ball out of his hand quicker. That doesn’t happen on screen plays which he ran a lot, so maybe we didn’t get to see the real T-Jackson at work. As much as I hated his innaccurate effort I hated Sage’s soft passes even more. Neither was very good. But one of them cost 3 Million and the other only 1 Million to keep.

II can see the end of the Dugan era but the guy is consistent. If his locker room presence is important then he remains on the team.

I just didn’t see enough from Colt Anderson as a safety to make this team. We can only keep so many ST guys

Albert Young showed to be a good back. I still believed Reynaud would be our guy but can’t say I’m that disappointed.
Lio Sheppard might be experienced but he is showing his age. Hurry back Cedrick.

"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp

by lifelongvike on Sep 4, 2010 5:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I found it troubling

that we could’t seem to defend against those Quinn to Decker passes. You knew they were coming, but they were completed anyway.

Missed the first half.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Sep 4, 2010 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Out of gas

Quinn didn’t show up til Q4, and I think by that point, the Vikings D was pretty well worn out. The Broncos offense blew out the Vikings offense in terms of play time, meaning the Vikings D put a lot more time than they should have on the field.

First Downs
-- Broncos 27
-- Vikings 13

Time of Possession
-- Broncos 35.60 min
-- Vikings 24.10 mins

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 4, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody else completely unimpressed by Tebow? Seems like he kind of just slings the ball to wherever he wants too.

by packallday555 on Sep 4, 2010 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Seems pretty hot and cold.

Reminds me of Leftwich but with a less powerful arm.

by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson? Joke? Yes!

Jackson was outplayed by both Tebow, as bad as he was, and Webb.

I have grown to love the T-Joke supporters. He didn’t get enough reps, he didn’t get a chance at this, or that, he played against the starters, he didn’t play against the starters, or whatever. What it comes down to is: he sucks. No accuracy, no ability to read a defense (sure he looks back and forth and has even learned how to point, god bless him), has the ability to run, but doesn’t seem to know how to (Webb could show him). I know, he didn’t come from a BCS college (neither did Webb), but he has 4 yrs in the NFL, going on #5, which I believe is above the BCS.

Enough is enough. If they can’t trade him (LOL), cut him. No one will pick him up. He has already spent 3 yrs more in the NFL than he ever should have.

by vikes since 68 on Sep 4, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

yes

He really played poorly this preseason. He is capable of playing better, as we have all seen. Nevertheless, he just played badly.

That said, he does not turn the ball over very much. He is a good backup quarterback.

We should keep him long-term. He’ll probably be a backup his whole career, but with his in-depth knowledge of the system, he’ll be a much better backup than some guy from some other team.

by medicineball on Sep 4, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

why

Why would we cut our backup quarterback?

BTW, we are absolutely going to draft a QB in 2011. I’m guessing we will try to draft a franchise quarterback.

But we need Tarvaris.

by medicineball on Sep 4, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

T-Jack

Well, we certainly need him now, yes….

I hope you’re right about next year’s draft. And I hope they choose wisely.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Sep 7, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

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