Behold The Minnesota Vikings 53-Man Roster
by Christopher Gates on Sep 4, 2010 7:19 PM CDT
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Alright, ladies and gentlemen. . .the cuts are in, dust has settled, and the Vikings have discovered the 53 players that they're going to ride into 2010 with. The 53-man roster, as of right now, looks like this.
QB - Brett Favre, Tarvaris Jackson, Joe Webb (3)
RB - Adrian Peterson, Albert Young, Toby Gerhart, Naufahu Tahi (4)
WR - Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian, Greg Camarillo, Greg Lewis, Sidney Rice (5)
TE - Visanthe Shiancoe, Jim Kleinsasser, Jeff Dugan, Mickey Shuler (4)
OL - Bryant McKinnie, Steve Hutchinson, John Sullivan, Anthony Herrera, Phil Loadholt, Chris DeGeare, Jon Cooper, Ryan Cook (8)
DL - Jared Allen, Pat Williams, Kevin Williams, Ray Edwards, Jayme Mitchell, Jimmy Kennedy, Fred Evans, Letroy Guion, Brian Robison, Everson Griffen (10)
LB - Chad Greenway, E.J. Henderson, Ben Leber, Heath Farwell, Jasper Brinkley, Erin Henderson, Kenny Onatolu (7)
DB - Antoine Winfield, Asher Allen, Tyrell Johnson, Madieu Williams, Chris Cook, Jamarca Sanford, Husain Abdullah, Eric Frampton, Lito Sheppard, Cedric Griffin (10)
ST - Ryan Longwell, Chris Kluwe, Cullen Loeffler (3)
According to the depth chart over at Vikings.com, Asher Allen is listed as the starter at corner opposite Antoine Winfield, and he's also currently listed as the punt returner. Percy Harvin is still listed as the kick returner as well. Also, there are 54 players listed above, but Sidney Rice being on the PUP list means that he doesn't take up a roster spot for the first six weeks of the regular season.
There are a couple of things on here that surprise me about the depth chart. The decision to keep four tight ends is something I'm not quite sure about. Granted, this team has the capability to be a power running team, but with the current issues at wide receiver, I think we may have been better served to hang on to Javon Walker or another receiver. Of course, the rumors of the Vikings being connected to T.J. Houshmandzadeh started approximately five seconds after he was released by the Seahawks, and it remains to be seen how serious those rumors actually are. Don't get me wrong. . .Houshmandzadeh would potentially be a nice get, but when Sidney Rice is healthy again, you'd have real log jam at WR with Rice, Harvin, Berrian, Camarillo, Houshmandzadeh, and Greg Lewis. It's a nice problem to have, sure, but what the heck do you do at that point? Six WR on the roster really isn't practical, in my opinion.
Second, I'm surprised that we kept ten defensive linemen. We know how good they are, we know how talented they are, and we know about the ridiculous amount of depth the Vikings have on the defensive line. But I find it surprising that there wasn't another team that wanted to trade for anybody that we kept around. I assumed that Fred Evans, Letroy Guion, or Jayme Mitchell would be wearing a new uniform by this time today, but it turns out that I was wrong. Having ten players on the defensive line. . .all of whom have the ability to get after opposing quarterbacks. . .should allow Leslie Frazier to do a few different things with the front four during the course of ball games, and it will be interesting to see how they handle it.
What do you guys think of the Vikings' 53-man roster at this point? Discuss it below!
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Man...
This is a bit odd. They must have some goofy plans for the season because I couldn’t have guessed the roster would end up looking like this.
I guess I’m satisfied with the exception of Dugan….I was kinda hoping he would be gone…..but whatever.
In the FO I trust.
I like it all except
We messed up getting rid of Sage instead of TJ and we should have held on to Walker at WR at least until Syd is healthy. With Percy’s health in question from week to week, I’d sleep better with an extra quality WR. Other than that, I think the roster is stacked for a great season
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
I'm wondering
If maybe they’re planning to spread Shiancoe out on the LOS with the receivers a lot, hence keeping the 3 other Tight Ends.
All the more reason to...
expect a Houshmandzadeh signing soon. I agree, I would certainly sleep better with a little more bulk at WR. If that happens though, expect Lewis or Berrian to pack their bags in Week 7 when Sidney’s back.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Sep 5, 2010 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Why Berrian?
I think it would almost certainly be Lewis.
Maybes ??? We are not done yet . Why does Griff count against the 53 ?
Hartwig/C/PIT could have helped . Cooper still hasn’t impressed . I see Shuler going to PS if we deal on a CB or WR .
Two answers
Griffen counts on the regular roster because the Vikings don’t want to make him ineligible for the first 6 games when there’s a good chance he’ll be ready before then. To place him on the PUP/reserve list, he’s out for those early games just like Rice.
As for Hartwig, I did some reading on him today. Apparently, Pittsburgh wasn’t happy with what they called his weak run blocking. I’m cool on that guy now. Doesn’t sound like much of an upgrade if that’s the case.
weak run blocking?
Then I hope that rumor I heard about the Packers lusting after him turns out to be true.
My guesses
I’m a little surprised Shuler made the regular roster, only because I woudn’t have guessed he’s get much playing time this year, or that he’d be hard to get onto the practice squad. Perhaps he was impressive on special teams and i just missed it.
Another site (PFW? – can’t remember) said Walker was brought in to be possession receiver, and became expendable with the addition of Camarillo, who the Vikings were apparently more impressed with.
I still don’t see Housh coming in, only because of where he plays. They missed out on him last year, and drafted Harvin for the slot. With Rice out now, Harvin covers his place, and Camarillo will play the slot. So bringing in yet another slot receiver would mean having 3 on the roster when Rice returns. I would think they’d go for a WR more used to playing the outside.
On the d-line, I think it has everything to do with next year. A year from now, we can expect Pat Williams to retire and Ray Edwards will be an unrestricted free agent. Kevin Williams will be entering his 9th season, and Jared Allen his 8th. It’s very possible they’ll need 2 new starters on the line next year, and I think there’s a good chance they’ll be able to make a nice transition with solid replacements already on the roster
excellent analysis
I’m thinking Walker just didn’t cut it. He looked a little slow and old to me.
Shuler took Mills spot as a potentially healthy pass catching TE. What surprised me was that Dugan ( Mr. Steady) came through again.
I think Housh will be fine if he can accept a smaller role. He’s 33 years old. It might be time. But what fun he could have with this bunch of guys.
I’m not concerned with next year for the D-Line. I think it says more about how talented Everson Griffen and Guion are more than anything. Special talent deserves to be kept. I expect those two to contribute to special teams play.
"Is it normal to wake up in the morning in a sweat because you can't wait to beat another human's guts out?"
Joe Kapp
Oh, Housh will be fine...
this season. And then next year, when the QB doesn’t throw to him enough, or the passes aren’t crisp enough for his liking, he’s going to whine and bitch about it.
d-line
The other aspect is the possibility of the 4-game suspension of KWill and PWill. It could theoretically happen at some point this season.
Shuler is probably the cut when Rice comes back...
or a DL… or, we trade a DL prior to the trade deadline.
by San Diego Viking on Sep 4, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I am really curious...
as to what they found with Percy. It seems the confidence level in his prognosis has skyrocketed, considering the recent moves at both receiver and with Reynaud. As you know, I debated ad nauseum a couple weeks ago about his situation. This is not the first athlete to keep medical findings close to the vest. They prefer to keep their edge that way, I suppose. Has anyone heard what the details were because I have seen nothing?
No details.
Migraines are a strange beast. Could’ve been something as simple as oranges triggering them or something in one of his protein supplements.
by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Twelve years to test for that?
Interesting. Then, bam, all of a sudden, they find something? Curious again. No doubt the team’s faith in his well being has jumped considerably. It is a shame that findings are not disclosed, which might help others, but, at the same time could put him at a competitive disadvantage. Maybe we will soon learn.
Just a random example.
Just like sometimes they last a lifetime and sometimes they last a year. Whatever they found it sounds encouraging and hopefully it manages the problem if not solves it.
by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It just came in on ESPN...
… he got a really good back rub from a quack chiropractor.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 4, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Please not again guys : )
Last time was a car-wreck that I couldn’t avoid looking at. Lets avoid that topic again.
by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Here in Las Vegas
those ‘quack chiropracters’ wear thongs and pasties and operate their establishments 24 hours a day… Not that I ever go to them, though. Just sayin’… haha
Could this happen?
I just read somewhere that they don’t want to gaurantee Walkers salary for the entire season which they would have to do if he was on their final roster, and not to be suprised if he is back after week one. Is that even a possibility?
Yeah,
that happens to a lot of veterans. Their salary becomes non-guaranteed after week one. In this case Walker could sign after week one and get paid up until Sidney returns when he would probably be cut. Cruel business.
by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that earlier
It makes for sound strategy when considering Rice’s return will mean another player’s release. That player could very well end up being Walker. Play for the first half of the season, then get uncermemoniously dumped when Rice is activated in time for the playoff push. Almost seems unfair.
I'm not all that surprised
I said a few weeks back on LLV’s post that we would keep 10 DL and 10DBs.
I was a little surprised by the following:
we traded Reynaud
we traded Rosey (okay deep down in my heart I knew Childress would keep TJack for one more year, call it wishful thinking that we kept Sage)
we kept four rookies. I thought only 3 were a lock to make the final 53.
We didn’t trade for Vincent Jackson or an offensive lineman
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Actually 6 out of 8 rookies made the sqaud
With Triplett and D’imperio going to the PS, that is some pretty good drafting when 11 of the last 13 draft picks made the roster on a “veteran team.” If both do get signed to the PS I see them on the roster next year.
by nmvikesfan on Sep 4, 2010 11:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Easy
There’s an unwritten rule somewhere that says ‘when you make a rediculous game winning TD catch, you get at least one free year on the roster after that’… He’ll be gone next year if he doesn’t do much in 2010.
Hey Cody I read it on the Viking age that we are going to sign TJ Hosh have any of you read that any truth to it!!!
he's clutch
He has a history of making big catches in big spots, like his touchdown catch in the Super Bowl.
We should have used him as a receiver against New Orleans, the Bears, etc.
Whenever we are in a tough game, send Greg Lewis out there and throw him the football. He’s pretty clutch. Not automatic, but pretty clutch.
Are you in sarcasm mode now?
Just like always?
So nobody ever knows the real you?
Because you’re afraid of revealing yourself?
I really cant tell if you're serious.
Is there another big catch other than the one against SF? Honest question, if so I could understand your rationale but as it is I wouldnt make a decision base off one play. If this is the case why dont we go get Hixon or Santonio Holmes(because the jets have him)? The have cluth plays in the super bowl which has to be better than a clutch play against the 49’s in the regular season.
I am serious unless I put a “/sarcasm” at the end of the message. That is an old Internet convention that means the post was sarcastic.
Like I said, the catch in the Super Bowl. He made other clutch plays with the Eagles, as well.
We don’t want Santonio Holmes because of character concerns. He is clutch, too, though.
Why would we want Domenik Hixon?
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Didnt hixon do the helmet catch(that wasnt really a catch)?
I didnt know about a SB catch. I guess I’ll take your word for it.
Tyree got injured and can’t play in the NFL anymore, sadly.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You may be missing my point.
Wouldnt a guy like Camarillo make him obsolete? Lewis is a guy that has sure hands in high pressure situations and Camarillo has sure hands in all situations. I think you place more value on a situational player than I do. Nothing wrong with that, just different I guess.
What wide receiver could the Vikings get who would be capable of doing a better job?
Obviously, we both want Randy Moss. But barring a trade scenario for Moss or some other receiver, who is supposed to come in and do better than Lewis? Remember, Lewis plays special teams, can return punts, etc, etc.
I would've rather had reynaud.
There’s also crayton or clayton from tampa (cant remember which is which). I think he would be better than lewis as well. In the end I guess our 4/5th reciever isnt that important.
Because he can play ST's
Walker cannot and neither can Housh.
by nmvikesfan on Sep 4, 2010 11:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2010 VIKINGS ROSTER
I like it!
As for backup QB’s any contending team that loses it’s starting QB can kiss the super bowl good bye.
Also in the W.C. offense you can’t have too many good tight ends,Unless we have another wide out get hurt we don’t any more.
Thank you
A rare voice of reason. I really think people are freaking too much over the Sage deal. Neither of those backups could have salvaged a Favre-less playoff run.
No, thank YOU
I get my behind chewed when I tell people I’m okay with the Sage trade (I go to Iowa State). When you’re backing up Brett Favre, does it REALLY matter? I could drive up and slice off Brett’s right arm and he’d be ‘probable’ for Thursday’s game. Doesn’t matter.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Sep 5, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
When.......
are starters announced? I would still like to see Sanford start over Johnson. Everything else seems to be set, Housh notwithstanding.
You know they are not going to only have 4 WRs on the roster
So something has to give.
I think they sign somebody tomorrow or Monday.
Housh would be the guy most likely.
Since Seattle is going to pay the majority of his 8 mil this year (since it is guaranteed) then the Vikings could get away with giving him 1 mil.
He is good insurance in case Rice does not come back 100%.
He probably will come back but how long before he is 100%.
4 WRs is not enough especially when one injury and you are in trouble.
I cannot see them going with 4 WRs for any games this year.
And 3 CBs vs New Orleans spells doom. I see a CB pick up too.
They may risk the first game using only 3 CBs and Abdullah or Tyrell as the dime guy but you know New Orleans is already dialing up the 4 WR game plan to shred us.
They get the ball out so quick so we will be hard pressed to get many sacks or much pressure quickly.
Something has got to give.
Does a certain East Coast team need any DLine???
I’m thinking there’s a veteran WR who’d make a great target for #4 this year…
I’m not naming names, but his initials are:
RANDY MOSS
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 4, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Nectar of the gods...
Hand me another one… that’s what I’m here for…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 4, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
+84
Moss would welcome back with open arms if he were to dawn the purple gold once again.
"It’s not arrogance, it’s destiny." -RKO
something we agree on… shit.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 4, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Another one lost to the Dark Side
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
without me...
there is no you.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 5, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
you complete me
whenever i get out of line your always there
"It’s not arrogance, it’s destiny." -RKO
bbf!
blog buddies forever!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 5, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they are holding onto the best extra players so they have more time to trade them.
I bet all the Dlinemen do not go to New Orleans.
I like your thinking.
D-lineman are always in demand and we have an embarrassing amount of them this year.
by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
four receivers should be enough
We won’t be sending out five receiver sets or anything.
That’s what Bud Grant used to do. His teams won.
this is a different era bud
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
WR
Well I would see whos out there by sunday noon et , but TJ is better then greg lewis (thanks for your great catch last year) but this is this year we need another WR Vincent Jackson even with his suspension would be wonderfull but too much cash, so TJ seems to be the answer. He had 911 yards with Matt Hassleback throwing it to him yikes, Brett Farve can make sub standard recievers great always has and will now, TJ is better then average so imagine what he will do hooked up with him, you can bet he wants TJ or trade with NE for Moss anything is possible however thats very unlikely. We really need Mcneil OT from SD and get rid of MT Mckinney who is not good, with Sage gone and trade MT Worthless it wont cost you much, the answer to are problems are in this comment Please someone listen. You want a championship team get those players it will also get your staduim which I am for I will pay my share and also our Championship that all of us fans deserve PLEASE!!!
Think about this for a little bit.
How often does the NFL have a season where a championship isnt awarded. How do vikings fans deserve a championship more than any other team? Because we’ve gone 50 years with 4 losses? Should the nfl adopt a socialist approach to championships where winners are based on who has the toughest situation?
It wasn’t just the Saints’ fans’ situation. They had supported that team (despite being known as the ’aints, as you had pointed out) for decades and suffered a devastating blow to their community and still found it in them to support some crappy sports franchise at a time when it was even less of a priority, if anything.
It’s not at all like NY teams winning championships in front of fans who barely cheer or wear league merchandise. I went to a Chiefs game (the one vs. MIN in 2007!) with a friend from NY who clued me in that not every NFL stadium is loud and focused on the game like KC and MIN are.
Nobody is proposing a socialist approach to anything, but some fan bases are more loyal and supportive than others, that’s all.
So if the raiders fans suddenly opened a temple
where their fans would come pray to John Madden for 5 hours every day and wore silver and black paint every wwaking minute would they be deserving of a superbowl? Teams are deserving, fans are just along for the ride.
+1
A lot of Saints fans behaved classlessly during last year. Saints history has incidents like the Aints year, in which fans wore bags over their heads, because they were ashamed of their team. If they really were ashamed of their team, they shouldn’t ever under any circumstance deserve a winner.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
The bags were in the 80s
And that was free speech. Those fans said that they wanted NFL football in their town with their dollars and said that they expected better quality with bags on their heads.
They were ashamed of their team and dragged it through the mud in public. No amount of hermeneutics can get around that.
It doesn’t matter when it was. There have got to be many Saints fans who participated in that, and are still Saints fans to this day.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
They were supporting the team, even with the bags
The ’aints were so bad that they would have earned that nickname in the press or from opponents anyway.
Any Saints fan who supported the team financially for 30+ years a) had a right to expect better performance than in the ‘aints years; b) is not what anyone could call a fair weather fan; c) has stuck with their team through a lot worse than just about anyone who doesn’t live in Detroit has.
That makes no sense
How does worshipping a Madden shrine in Oakland = finally good news in NOLA after supporting one of the worst performing franchises in NFL history?
Lions fans have stuck with bad teams for a long time without a championship, too.
He was suggesting that Raiders fans could suddenly deserve a championship for their team, regardless of anything Raiders players might do, if Raiders fans intensely supported their team, in a slightly comically exaggerated way. He was saying that your point, taken to an extreme, does not seem to be logical. Thus, the validity of your point on its own merits must come into question.
In my opinion, a team can deserve a Lombardi trophy from a moral standpoint, but whatever fans suffer through or do with regard to the team will not have any bearing on what the team deserves. To say that fans “deserve” a trophy is effectively socialistic, as it suggests that a sports fan, or for that matter anyone, deserves something good for suffering something bad. Taken to an extreme, that leads to absurd results, such as the false proposition that mass murderers who later suffer torture somehow deserve to be freed. The general conclusion is that to balance the scales of justice not easy. Furthermore, football teams win or lose on their own. If the fans help, great. The fans are just along for the ride, though. They aren’t driving the cart.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not the same
The Raiders were in the SB in the past 10 years. Al Davis has opened up the checkbook often for the team. Nothing about the Raiders and their fans is analogous to the Saints and what NOLA went through.
Did I mention the tAints at all?
I was responding to comment that said that Vikings fans deserve a championship which then broadened into fans in general deserving a championship for being fans.
You: Fans cannot deserve a championship
I dont want to be like the ’aints.
So yeah, you did mention the ’aints.
Your logic is faulty
mass murderers who later suffer torture somehow deserve to be freed
The mass murderers had done wrong and therefore deserved any bad thing(s) that might happen to them. Saints fans are not mass murderers; therefore, by doing no wrong of their own, they deserve to be freed/rewarded.
The fans are just along for the ride, though. They aren’t driving the cart.
No. The fans pay the owners and FOs and coaches and players to provide quality entertainment. In some cases, certain NFL franchises have pocketed a ton of cash without delivering quality experiences for their paying customers. The Saints fans who stuck with such an owner through decades of misery plus a couple natural disasters had had their loyalty and dedication tested more than anyone else.
Nobody is suggesting a “socialistic” balancing of the scales when it comes to championships; rather, the point is that it was great that the football-based results matched up with the fans who deserved some good news the most in 2009.
Your last sentence is contradictory.
You are saying that the fans deserved good news because of suffering in the same sentence that you mildly condemn a socialist balancing of the scales. That is socialism! Take from those who have (not suffered) and give to those who have not (not suffered).
No it isn't
I didn’t advocate taking anything away from anyone else. I said that it was great that the Saints’ fans (probably the most deserving of a championship) got to watch their team earn the Lombardi trophy in 2009. No “socialistic” balancing of the scales was required or proposed.
Giving a championship to one team is taking a championship from everyone else.
The only thing being a fan entitles you is participation in following your team. It doesn’t entitle you to the occasional championship win.
Fans do not EARN championships.
Teams do. I think we may be at an impass here. Three in one day for me isnt’ good.
I agree
The team that plays the best, and follows the rules, deserves a championship. Fans are just fans.
I regard you as young person who has a good head on his shoulders and just needs to go in the right direction more often. Which is something you might figure out on your own, or not.
And this is not sarcastic.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
You imagine me to be a child that some derelict parent has allowed acces to a computer?
I’m not that young… just immature ;) There are some things that I will argue especially if built up over time; TJack is one. I didnt think he was any good when we drafted him and (IMHO) he still hasnt proven me wrong (not arguing this point here!!). It has been eating at me for years.
WOW
All I said was please do a few things so the vikes finally win one, because we Viking fans deserve it, and I believe we do. I was not putting down anyone or any other team or fan of another team down, I just wanted them to make some moves that I believe could really help us the Vikings out period
Behold? Reminds me of this.....
Ok, back to seriousness. I am a little perturbed about not keeping Javon Walker. I think he would have been a decent addition until Rice got back this season, if he did. However, on the flip side, something tells me there is something in the works maybe for Vincent. Maybe for Doush, though I hope not. Who knows. Or perhaps Speilman, Chilly and folks thought they were ok as is? Who knows. we have almost a week to find out what changes.
"Over? Did you say over? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" "Germans?" "Forget it, he's rolling."
Doush?
haha… I just got blasted on another site for calling him Houshmanladygaga… Like I can spell his freakin’ name!
That's a new one : )
If we sign him we could fill a thread with plays on his name!
by CanadianViking on Sep 4, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Why Housh?
As stated Greg and Percy handle the slot. Harvin out wide is not good as he has multiple roles on the team (not to mention he is not the guy to go up high. Mello can handle both roles too. Housh would be a better candidate to handle the wide out. All 3 can do it but I think Housh has the ability to stay in a wide out position. Harvin will get more carries than any other reciever with Mello giving him some rest in the slot and also spelling Barrian.
The options with Housh would be a plus. Not knowing what will happen with Sidney it seems like a logical plan and gives you 3 guys who can move around. Sidney will be coming back hopefully midway thru but, will he need more time to get back to form.
After last year I am not so confident Housh will come but it may not be a bad plan
Im with you...
we should go after Moss
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 4, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget
While Rice is out, Harvin is covering his spot, and Camarillo is competing with Lewis for slot play. So when Rice returns (assuming he’s not placed on the IR later), they would then be stuck with 3 WR’s all ideally suited to that one spot if they add Doushmanladygaga. That’s why I can’t understand the rationale there, but who knows?
but Housh can play the wideout
Not the leaper Sid is but he does get open. Like I said, Harvin will need to be spelled. All 3 can cover slot and WO. They are all more gifted in the slot but any one of them out wide opens up the mid range passing game
by CitrusFLViking on Sep 4, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Harvin will not be covering for Rice. Rice is 6’4", Percy is 5’9." Different roles.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I will miss Sidney this year
but as a visitor from Dolphins country told us, look at what Favre did to get Sids game going. Mello is not a deadbeat. He had good stats with poor QB’s. He may look like our version of Wes Welker-hopefully.
Housh flourished when Palmer was hot and could do some damage. A healthy Bernard and improving Harvin then bring Sid back at a pace where he can stay healthy for seasons to come and we’ll be fine. I honestly think we’ll be fine without Housh. It’s just another weapon in the arsenal-hopefully. The next couple days will tell
Why?!?!?!?!?!
why in the name of god did they cut javon walker??? This is just ridiculous, unless they plan on bringing somebody in right now. And why the hell are you keeping shuler?
My guess (for as little as it's worth)
is that they know they can cut Javon and no one will take him. This allows them to hold onto one other guy a little longer that they want to trade for a pick or package with another player for a player. Then they can go sign Javon. Lets face it, he’s not going anywhere.
but still
having only 4 wr on your roster with one that might not play through the season. I dont like this at all
I'm just saying I dont think they really cut walker
because we can pretty much have him whether or not he is on the roster.
Walker – Seriously? He wasn’t better than Lewis. He was dismal with Favre and Favre gave him lots of chances.
Schuler – 1) ’Mickey’’s a cooler name than ‘Garrett’, and 2) Mills was very injury-prone and the Vikings NEED to start bringing on some solid youth in the TE dept. Jimmy K is probably done after this year, and Dugan is probably good for 2 more seasons before his time is done. The point to bring in new TE blood is now, so that means Schuler.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I know this has already been beaten to death, but...
Now that we know Webb is on the roster, and recent developments have left them without punt returner Reynaud and only carrying 4 receivers, I can’t help but think if Childress has softened his position against using Webb in other non-QB areas this year so they can make some use of his athleticism. Reserve wide receiver? Kick/punt returns? Maybe even offensive line?? OK, scratch that last one.
That will require to keep another position in-active. Webb will be allowed to dress as the 3rd emergency QB and will not count against 45 active game day roster. If he were used in non-QB roles, then we would have to be short some where else.
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-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Old School Football!
Smash mouth and defense, 10 D-linemen because we rotate them early and often, Phat Pat is a two down player. We traded up for Gerhert and go with 4 TE’s.
We will pound NO into the ground as they have a soft D and are thin at LB right now. Our WR corp’s are good enough until Rice comes back then they’ll be dy-no-mite, just think last years pass O but with Camarillo!
Our D with an improved secondary when Cook and Ced make it back, and a deep deep D-line that’s going to get after people! Opposing QB’s beware!
SKOL!
by nmvikesfan on Sep 4, 2010 11:05 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Moss
Seriously guys, lets come up with trade possibilities that actually have a chance of happening. Tom Brady is not resigned…do you really think the Patriots would be dumb enough to piss him off and trade Moss who is their only deep threat? First it is “We should trade Gerhart for him” and now a backup D-lineman?
Pull your heads out if you actually believe it is possible.
trade scenarios for Moss
The Patriots do need a running back. The Gerhart for Moss scenario is running out of time. The window on that trade possibility will be closed tonight. The Vikings would want Moss in uniform right away obviously. After tonight, there wouldn’t be time to get him ready for the Saints.
Most likely there won’t be a trade. Toby Gerhart will get carries against the Saints. If Gerhart turns out to be good, we wouldn’t trade him for anyone. If he turns out bad, the Patriots wouldn’t take a chance on him.
The Patriots play a 3-4. They are sticking with the 3-4 scheme. Relatively few of our defensive linemen would fit the 3-4 scheme.
The Vikings may consider Gerhart to be part of a new 1-2 punch. Peterson will be the scat back. Gerhart will be the power back. While Ian Johnson could provide depth at running back, he is a scat back type. He couldn’t replace Gerhart as the power back. If we traded Gerhart, we wouldn’t have a power back other than Jeff Dugan.
The Patriots have many problems on many different fronts this year. I believe they will struggle to have a winning season. If they lose several games early on, they could put Moss on the block for a late draft pick or something. Moss could refuse to play for any other team than the Patriots or Vikings, thus helping the Vikings getting him back.
Moss will be a free agent after this year, if he is not re-signed. I want him back this season though.
He does have experience in the WCO from his time in Oakland. He’s one of the smartest football players around, and can pick up a new offense fast. He would hit the ground running, and be key for us in any run we would make, if we could get him.
Agree with most of it but have to question
do you think moss really wants to come to the Vikes? I mean we did trade him to Oakland (the closest thing there is to an FU in the football world).
Last year he said he has unfinished business in Minnesota.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Michael Clayton
was waived by the Bucs. Thoughts? I know, “waived by the Bucs” speaks for itself, but, he is 28, 6’4" 215 lbs. He looked good early on in his career.
So did Walker
But too many injuries have taken away from his physical talent.
by nmvikesfan on Sep 4, 2010 11:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not seeing that......
Clayton was ever injured. Looks like Tampa is going with a youth movement only. No word that he was hurt, trouble in the locker room, etc. His numbers dropped from a high of 80 catches, almost 1200 yards as a rookie in 2004, with Brian Griese as QB. Ever since, a different QB every year—Gradkowski, Simms, Garcia, Rattay, Leftwich, Freeman. Could be a good, inexpensive pick-up.
10 DLs and 10 DBs?
That just seems gratuitous, esp. with only 4 active WRs.
Dugan will see time at FB also, I think.
Unless Chilly thinks that this year will be won by the D, not the offense
In which case, he’ll want lots of change-up on the defense to keep everyone fairly fresh all game long. No more running out of gas in the 4th.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Tice was criticized for carrying 9 DBs
If it really helps the D (esp. the pass D), then I’m for it. I’m skeptical that so many reserve DL are as good as a tired starter, though.
JW's official position
I know JW is listed as a QB and proved he has, if not mad skills, at least scary skills. Do you think since he is unlikely to see much PT as a third stringer that he might be used actively as a WR? That could explain only carrying 4 WRs.
A deal is in the making
The Vikings will be taking a shot at a WR. San Diego..lack a solid D-line. Oh, and they have Vincent Jackson. Could it be the Seahawks want Vincent Jackson (only team (apparantly) the chargers will trade him too) and the Chargers want D-linemen and we want T.J. and more draft picks to help move up for a QBOTF next year. 3 way trade. Brilliant if it happened. Just a little conspiracy theory..but it makes sense.
SKOL
Nobody is giving Berrian any credit
All the reports say that he is healthy this year and ready to go so….
The man was hurt most of last year and it showed in his play but if you look back BF (before Farve) he had a pretty good year with T-jack at the helm. It has been said that Farve can make even an average receiver great. Well I think BB is above average if healthy so why no love for him?
I went to training camp his first year and if BB is even close to the speed and hands he had then I think we are fine with the WR’s we have now. All WR positions are filled with above average quality guys rite now. No need to go out and get Housh Jackson or any other big name guy
What do you think?
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
by just another viking on Sep 5, 2010 8:57 AM CDT reply actions
The issue here...
… is DEPTH, not any big concerns about the four starters. Injuries are inevitable, and the team really could use one more reliable WR right now. I am not so sure the FO wants to throw Joe Webb out there as a wideout now. He also is not what I would prefer to see. I think the team needs a bonafide, veteran starter to add to the mix, if this team is really going to wind up going deep into the playoffs.
Berrian
I went to training camp his first year and if BB is even close to the speed and hands he had then
That’s the key. His speed has dropped significantly since then, and his chemistry with Favre was really suspect in this pre-season.
If he can fix both those things, regain his position as the speedster we thought we were getting and start holding onto the balls that come his way, Berrian will be an awesome true #1 WR.
So…. fingers crossed.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
His speed only dropped because he played through two bad hammys last year.
He should be back to full speed this year.
by CanadianViking on Sep 5, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Several KEY aeas of need are apparent to me.
1. O-LINE: Favre’s protection concerns me (yeah, I’m looking at you, McKinley, as well as the right side) a LOT. Hartwig (C; Steelers) was released and is a Mankato native. If the FO deems him as a stabilizing force(he is 31 yrs. old), I hope they take action. If not him, they must find a veteran OL or two to bring in. Other positions are rich in depth and can still be trimmed via cuts.
2. WR- Definitely need to sign another outside threat. Houshmandzadeh is not my top choice, but he could contribute if his physical skills are still up to par (I don’t have any idea if he has declined suddenly). If not him, there must be one or two decent options among all the cuts or via trade. (Randy Moss seems like a very far-fetched dream, and I don’t know if he would fit with team chemistry, let alone price tag issues).
3. CB – There is no way I would feel secure with the number of current Cornerbacks. Gotta find one more viable veteran to bring in.
4. KR/PR – Surprised to see Renaud be traded, but it is not an insurmountable loss by any means. However, I would be cautious about exposing Harvin on Special Teams, but we need a solid return guy. Not sure of the team’s best options (ball security is KEY), but a viable option now needs to emerge.
To me, these are all priority areas, as most of you have already noted. The O-LINE worries me a lot more than any other area. I feel it has eroded as a unit and run blocking has been shaky as much as pass protection. Viking QB’s need a fraction more time at least, otherwise the turnovers and sacks are gonna take a toll. AP needs a chance to exploit holes, but there were far too few of them last season. McKinnie looks to have declined a lot since 3-4 years back, and Hutch is going to have some issues with his back, from what I read. The young guys on the line may have potential (esp. Loadholt), but it takes a few years to really reach peak.
I would really like to see an upgrade to the Line first (tough to do) and then CB and WR addressed in some way. Seems like the so-called “skill positions” are easier to patch, so I would apply the best resources to acquiring some O-Line help first.
good summary. i agree with a lot of these points.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
That Band of Merrie Men
So here we are, the drama is mostly done and we’re almost ready to stop quibbling over who the 3rd stringers should be :) . Almost.
Honestly, I’m still a bit shell-shocked over the Reynaud trade, just didn’t see that coming. The man was such a good contributer in so many spots. I just hope it was worth it, that the Vikings get something good out of that.
I expected Rosey to go. Want that one to go the other way, but Chilly still seems to think that T-Jack will be a great golfer</strike> quarterback one day with all those line drives accurate throws. Again, I hope it turns out well for Rosey, and the Vikings.
RB – I don’t see Albert Young anywhere…. and D’Imperio is on the practice squad, while Tahi remains the FB. I don’t know. Tahi’s a very good blocker…. and we couldn’t keep everyone, but this cut stings a bit.
WR – Is that Lewis guy still hanging around? Nothing unexpected here, although I still which we could have found space for Marko Mitchell.
TE – Good choices here, Mills had hung around too long. I wish him well (and better health) wherever he lands.
OL – Really? No real movement here, no improvements? Really? Yes, DeGear is in there, but that’s a backup. I’ll pray for Favre this season.
DL – Hard to be unhappy about this setup :)
LB – Very good conclusion here.
Secondary – Why is Madieu Williams still in purple? This one confuses me. And why isn’t Colt Anderson in purple? That also confuses me. I don’t see how Abdullah or Frampton were both better than Anderson, either. Very unhappy about this.
ST – And let’s say good-bye to the Rhys Lloyd experiment, I guess the Vikings figured they don’t need to stop the opposition around the 20 yard line this year. I know Rhys didn’t start bringing it til the last game of the pre-season, but he did get up to speed. What changed in the minds of the coaches? Was it just a tight roster? Or did they not believe in Lloyd? I’d really like to know what happened here.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
good points! reynaud, lewis, o-line, madieu, colt flippin anderson....no sh!t.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Rhys Lloyd had ZERO touchbacks during the entire preseason.
There is little mystery there. If your ONE JOB is to produce Touchbacks on Kickoffs and you never seem able to do that, why would a team waste a roster spot and salary on that player? It’s a shame he is in some funk, but what else can a team do with such a disaster?
my mistake.. sorry
I guess he may have had a TB or two in final preseason game, but I was not aware of that. I apologize for mis-=stating any stats. However, I think the FO decided it was a luxury to use a roster spot there at this time.
some notable cuts from around the league
LB Vinny Ciurciu, Lions
WR Troy Williamson, Jaguars
CB Karl Paymah, 49ers
WR Bobby Wade, Redskins
CB Chris Hawkins, Ravens
CB Jamar Wall, Cowboys
RB Joique Bell, Bills
S Jeromy Miles, Bengals
QB Dan LeFevour, Bears
CB Dre Bly, Lions
OT Jon Jansen, Lions
WR Blair White, Colts
DT Jay Ross, Saints
S Donovan Warren, Jets (many had predicted the Vikings would draft him in the 1st round, as a cornerback)
LB Joe Pawelek, Seahawks
CB Tye Hill, Titans
C Kevin Matthews, Titans
S Myron Rolle, Titans
WR Freddie Barnes, Bears
FB Rashawn Jackson, Panthers
Yeah, we’ve been down that road. TWill is a good person. It turns out that his considerable physical talents just don’t add up to being a good player in the NFL. I give him props for trying hard. People say bad stuff about him, but he always worked hard and gave his best effort. The Vikings overdrafted him, but that is the Vikings’ mistake, not TWill’s mistake.
TWill might decide to retire. Or not. In any case, I wish him well. I wish we hadn’t drafted him, but I can’t fault the man for just not having whatever mix of tools and talents that the NFL happens to need out of wide receivers.
In the 2007 campaign, the Vikings’ locker room turned against TWill because he kept dropping the ball. He had some big drops in the last game of the season, in Denver. After that, regardless of anything else, he had to go, because he just didn’t fit in the Vikings’ locker room anymore. A lot of the guys who were there then, are still there. I don’t think we could bring him back, even if we thought he could contribute. And he can’t help our team anyway.
Good luck to Troy Williamson. We have moved on.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If only he had my hands…
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Sep 5, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
in terms of receivers
Blair White would be a nice player to have.
by medicineball on Sep 5, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
So much for LeFevour...
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Good to see Griffin & Sullivan back at practice: http://blogs.twincities.com/Vikings/2010/09/minnesota-vikings-roster-moves.html
No chance
Wow, 3 QB’s to throw to 4 WR’s? go figure
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