Oh, Well
by Christopher Gates on Sep 9, 2010 10:31 PM CDT
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Minnesota is 0-1 after one week of action.
Now the rest of the league can listen to "Who Dat." I have no intention of dealing with that garbage for a long, long time.
Everyone that thought the Vikings were going to get run off the field tonight looks really, really dumb right now, and they're going to look even dumber when Cedric Griffin, Chris Cook, and Sidney Rice are back with this team.
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The question is...
Can the Vikings win enough games in the first half of the season with the players we saw tonight?
We just held a team
That averages 30 points a game to 14 in their house on opening night.
Who in the hell is going to score against us?
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 9, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a ugly game....
Your team played well despite being banged up. I read tonite that Percy Harvin’s heart actually stopped beating when he collapsed and I know I have already apologized but I would like to just one last time for my insensititvity and arrogancein joking about it in the past.
From all your comments I doubt you will respond and would rather me, the saints and all us fans dissappear along with all the hype, oil spill, hurricane talk etc.
I respect your team and your fans whether or not you respect us or care. I wish your team good luck and maybe one day we will just dislike each other purely as fans of different teams and not about, hurricances, oil spills, cheap shots, ets…..
by blackandgoldbuddha on Sep 10, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No one hates the Saints. Not to be rude, but they were too terrible for too long to not be kinda happy for them to have finally found their feet – especially after the recent hardships. Hate the Cowboys? Oh yes I do. But the Saints? Nah… (sure, some individual fans may be douchebags, but we have our share of those as well)
Many of us do feel that the Vikings were the better team last year and that the loss to the Saints was a bizarre cascade of improbable errors on the part of the Vikings and the officials. Those of us who have followed the Vikings for decades have been down that road before, but that game was pretty special, even by Vikings playoff standards.
Last night the Saints were the better team. Thankfully, the biggest weakness for the Vikings was the connection between Favre and the receivers. It cost us a game, but of all the possible issues, that is the easiest to fix. There is simply no way that Favre isn’t going to get them on the same page as him. We have all the tools we need, they just need a good sharpening.
The best thing I saw last night was an offensive line that created holes for AD to run through and protected our QB. Going into this game I think that was the biggest concern for most of us. I feel better about losing a game where Favre stayed on his feet than I would have if we won one where he was sacked three times.
With you dkerfoot
No chemistry with the receivers yet. Favre was not ready for this game & we all know it. Lets face it Favre showing up 3 weeks before the season starts cost us this game as much as anything. Hey the world champs at their house on opening night. We have nothing to be afraid of. It would have been better for us say week 12 but it is what it is. Superbowl or bust guys. Stay healthy, get our guys back & make the playoffs. We are riding the Favre bus as far as it will take us good or bad. Once we get all our ducks in a row we are as good as any team in the league. Bring on Miami.
Thanks
Favre will get better, good luck the rest of the year.
"Why do you even ponder passing? I mean, you can take a knee and try a 56 yard field goal! This is not Detroit man, this is the Superbowl!" -- Paul Allen's call after Tracy Porter intercepted Brett Favre in NFCCG
Favre looks done...
He’s lost arm strength. By the time Sydney Rice returns Green Bay will have won the division.
?
Tired maybe. Not done. He overthrew a few people. How can you say he lost arm strength? That’s absurd!
Favre isn't done, the fact is there's no CHEMISTRY as of now
The Vikings Offense needs to develop it quick or we’re out of the playoffs
That's exactly why the drama queen should have been in camp
Every year this jackass media whore pulls the same shit. The only way to have chemistry and timing down is to practice practice practice. Your team is done unless he gets hurt and Jackson plays.
And now we know
to not take you seriously, ever.
by Frost on Sep 10, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wouldn't say done.
His arm looked fine but his brain was running a step slow.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt it
It looks like the plays were designed to have yards after the catch which was similar by the saints, the throws to Shank-you were not weak though.
Actually man go look up the games from last year
He doesn’t look done. He looks like he did last year a great QB who doesn’t have his timing down. Took him about three games last year to get it set up with his receivers I would expect it to take about that long this year as well. Remember as well that he didn’t have Harvin, or Camarillo to practice with and Berrian has never been a target for him.
We’ll be fine.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
deja vu w/ BB
dropping passes…. Well I know this is controversial, but, yes they were tipped a little bit yet still catchable..
In his hands.
BB proved to me he will never be a #1. Maybe not even a #2. Vj? Moss??
SKOL VIKINGS 2010!!
by Mr.Cub22 on Sep 10, 2010 10:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was kind of surprised that Walker wasn’t in the game more. I know he’s old, but he and Favre have played together, so especially when it looked like timing was an issue, I thought they’d put him out there. He didn’t get cut, did he?
I guess that explains that then. Heh. I suppose given the choice between Camarillo and Walker, I would’ve taken Camarillo too though. More time practicing with Favre, and I think Camarillo will be a good addition to the team.
I think most of us wouldn't be surprised to see Walker back next week.
Because of his veteran status, if he was on the opening night roster we’d have to guarantee his salary for the year. If we bring him back now, though, he gets paid on a week-to-week basis.
by princelyfrank on Sep 10, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
By the time Sydney Rice returns Green Bay will have won the division.
sidney rice won’t be any kind of savior if/when he gets back. he will be rusty, fragile, not in game shape, and i doubt he will be as aggressive as he was last year.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Agreed
We gotta plan on making it into the playoffs without much help from the Sydney factor. What need need/can hope for from Sydney this year is pretty much limited to a difference maker in the playoffs, hopefully he’ll be back up to speed by then.
i would like to see more camarillo.
he is a possesion receiver who can get open. he can run medium routes that don’t require a lot of pocket time for brett, thus less time for the o-line to have to delay the rush. i also think they need to run more swing passes and end around plays for harvin.
the style of offense could change a bit imo.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Yup, Getting Camarillo more involved is priority.
we need guys on the field that can catch the ball.
The vikings
will be fine. They lost a game today. Defense was better than expected, offense could use some work.
Meh
It’s the 1st game of the season and we are minus Cook, Griffin and Rice….Big Deal….The Thing that pisses me off is these idiot chumbalone morons jumping on the Blame Brett Bandwaggon…Really people? Learn something about the game of football before you say stupid sh*t like this…Game would have easily been 14-0 without TJack
I think we could have won with Jackson, but that's just me.
He has been working hard all offseason and can make plays with his legs. Something Favre cannot do. I’m not putting this loss all on Brett, but he shares some of the blame with everyone else.
Brett is generally humble..
He’ll take all the blame on himself..
But, the numerous throws were on routes the receiver didn’t finish, run correctly, etc.
The throws that seemed there were timing issues.
That's my opinion as well Deek.
I don’t think Favre was all that bad.
I think the WR’s looked worse.
Could have won with Jackson?
I hope you mean had we traded for Vincent Jackson
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
even if we got him for Daunte Culpepper
he couldnt have played in tonight’s game. hes suspended
by Frozen Toews on Sep 10, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I know VJack is suspended
I was just pointing out how ludicrous that statement was. Seriously, won with Tarvaris Jackson?
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
You know what I meant. :D
Jackson is at least willing to put the work in. You know with HIS teammates. If Brett’s ankle was allowing him to run flights of stairs with a weighted vest and throw to high schoolers it was good enough to allow him limited work in training camp. He still could’ve missed OTA’s, but training camp and the preseason is where you want to work out the kinks not when the games matter. That being said it was only 1/16th of our regular season and water is still wet.
You might be right -
in the sense that if Jackson had been playing, we probably would’ve given AD more rushing attempts, and if AD had gotten his hands on the ball more in the second half we would’ve scored the touchdown we needed.
Why, oh why, Chili, do you abandon the run when it’s working? Foolishness.
by princelyfrank on Sep 10, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
But with TJack in the saints stack the box with 9 defenders and AP has no where to run
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
by NMVike on Sep 10, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With TJack the defense does it every play
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
I see a defense that is going to be a monster this year. I see an offense that is not in sync. We’ll be fine. We’ll rebound against miami and roll from there.
But this doesn’t mean I’m not mad as hell right now
O-line
was very solid tonite
AP had a very good game, just couldnt break a long one
Favre looked out of sync but his receivers let him down
Defense was not great despite only giving up 14 points, but saints receivers dropped some passes and D-line never got great pressure on brees
Difference was last year we had the browns and lions to warm up against to let brett get in rhythm, where we could win with him not playing great, now he had to go in cold against a good D
"Wait ur a girl?" -YanksVikes ignorance about The Melkman
Pretty happy with the results...
all things considered. It doesn’t take a Bob Costas to see our offense was a little out of sync. But that will come with time, and we have 3 weeks before any major games.
Our o-line exceeded my expectations. I thought our secondary would get lit up, but due to some luck it was not. This is still an area of concern until we start to get some healthy CBs back. The thing that I found interesting was our D-line not being as dominant as it used to. But the Saints o-line was great and Brees is a tough man to corner so I am not all too worried about that.
I came into this game expecting a terrible performance, so I’m fairly happy with how it went.
I concur with some of your points
Totally agreed that we looked offensively out-of-sync. Our D-line isn’t what it used to be, by the looks of it. Age is creeping up on it, I suspect. :(
I did expect us to lose by more so in some ways it wasn’t a total disaster. Wish we could’ve proven all those know-it-all sports writers who all picked the Saints to win, wrong, though.
You don't call this a 'major game'?
We just lost a potential tie-breaker to the defending Superbowl champions. I’d call this a very major game.
We are 0-1 right now
All games mean pretty much the same thing right now. Later when we are trying to get into the play offs or secure home field advantage those will be major games. Of course all games in the post season are major. The first game of the season is pretty much just that.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Well
I never meant this game wasn’t major, just that 3 weeks until our next major game, my mistake. But at least we played the best team early, now we know how much more important the rest of our games are. The Packers games are by far the most vital
I agree that in some way the Vikings actually exceeded my expectations tonight
They didn’t get lit up, which is a good thing.
We kind of did
Their kicker just missed FGs. I mean, seriously. They tore our defense up when they wanted to. Huge chunks of yards through the air, and then they didn’t have any trouble running the ball right INTO the William’s wall.
Remember one of the FG attempts was a result of an INT
Which never should have been thrown. The other was a 46 yarder which isnt exactly a chip shot.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
remember, they dropped a perfect td pass in end zone, which lead to a fg attempt.
our d-back got completely burned down right side.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
the reason why he dropped it was because Allen's hand obscured his vision of the ball right as the pass got there
It was Abdullah who didn’t get over the top in time.
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
no, that's not the reason he dropped it
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
we play cover 2, incase you didn't know
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
gee thanks...yea i know...perfect pass, wr beat the d-backs, dropped it.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
and no need for sarcasm towards me, that's uncool.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
what's uncool is your criticism of my football team
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
no, i have not gotten personal with you...you have been insulting. that is uncool.
and i will openly critisize “my” football team when they play like that. you are not the thought police. trying to insult other fans like you do is lame.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
It coulda been as bad as 25-10
or something like that. We got lucky that Meachem dropped that sure TD, but it is what it is. Asher Allen isn’t exactly a polished cb, but he was alright. Not many can stop a Drew Brees-Meachem/Colston/Henderson connection.
cute....the point is...that we could have won the game.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
but we didn't, because...
we could not capitalize on our opportunities because we were not prepared, the playcalling sucked, the o-line was weak, favre sucked and he was out of sync with the receivers…
and yet we were still in aposition to run the ball down the field, use up the clock, and score a 4th quarter touchdown to take the lead. oh yea, they decided not to run the ball, hhhmmmm.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Our o-line exceeded my expectations.
you have extremely low expectaions. they sucked.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
The Oline
Gave up one sack, Favre was only knocked down once and AP averaged 4.6 yards per carry. Get real
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
by NMVike on Sep 10, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ap gets most of his yards becuz he is a great back. the o-line got worked.
farve was throwing a lot of quick passes. a. young didn’t have a crack to run through. mckinnie is a pansie.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
you must have watched a different game than I did
but there’s an even larger possibility that you have no clue as to what you are talking about
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
by NMVike on Sep 10, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
doubt it. i took notes on each play. too many crap block plays.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
i'll add that play calling was a big part of it as well.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Our o-line looked solid
Most people would agree with me. After watching the preseason games things were looking bad. They weren’t great last night, but it was Sully’s first real football action in a while. They were opening holes for AP to tear threw and they gave Favre enough time to make his inaccurate throws. Those are my standards…what are yours? Want them to catch passes downfield?
my standards are better run blocking and pass blocking than we saw last night.
yes, i would like to give the qb time to throw the ball downfield….he gets paid $20million to throw the ball accurately and downfield. ap makes a lot out of a little. and too many run stuffs at the line. i don’t make excuses for sullivan, mckinnie or loadholdt…herrera i don’t expect much out of cuz he is a back up in starter’s clothes.
i also don’t make excuses for the coaching staff, the playcalling or the almghty FO. this is not pre-season anymore. that was lackluster last night.
every game counts….if the vikings hadn’t lost to either the cards, panthers or bears at the end of last season, we would have had homefield advantage for the nfccg….and we just might have won because of it.
we had a 9-7 lead at half time…bwett threw for a gargantuan 44 net yards in the second half. adrian rushed for a devastating 30 yards in the second half…and we still were within one score of having the lead. yup, i expect more.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
So just to be clear...
Are you saying it’s impossible for a team to perform well in a loss? Are your standards such that if one part of your team sucks the rest do by proxy?
i don't know how you arrived at this speculation from the statements i wrote.
just to be clear…um, no.
in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.
Disagree
The O-line did a wonderful job keeping Brett in one piece, true, they weren’t flawless but they did open holes for AP and did a decent job in pass protection considering that they did not play with Sully at all during the preseason.
I said it once and I'll say it again and again
Brad Childress cannot get a team to start fast. It takes at least two weeks before the offense really starts to roll. Maybe this happens for all the teams, I don’t know. But the only team I watch consistently every single year is the Vikings, and since Childress they’ve never had a strong start for the offense.
Good point, but...
Look at how that offensive roster has changed from one year to the next. Each year he’s had to contend with personnel changes at key positions, mainly QB. Last year, Favre needed a couple weeks to get in sync with his new teammates, and the line featured 2 new starters. The year before was a mess with the Jackson/Frerotte thing and everybody gameplanning for what was then a very one-dimensional offense built solely around Peterson. In 2007, Jackson took over as the new starter, with rookie WR Rice, etc. They haven’t really been able to carry over a whole set of offensive starters from one year to the next.
Dolphin fan here.
Why didn’t you play Greg Camarillo. Is he hurt? What was the deal with that? He picks up 3rd downs. You’re team needs to learn how to use him and Farve needs to get his timing down with him. I was disappointed to not see him being used.
Also Farve didn’t look good passing today. I’m just saying…
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
the other recievers have spent more time with Favre, that’s why, but he did have that great 3rd down grab!
That sounds reasonable.
Farve really needed a QB friendly WR today. I guess in time your coaching staff will learn what they have. I was just confused why I didn’t see him out there on third downs until the 4th. I thought he may of been hurt.
Can't remember the last time Miami had so much talent.
Rusty Smith! (Titans future qb)
Camarillo trade made 0 sense. A starting clutch WR for a 29 year old back-up CB? Someone found Rickey's old stash.
by 54 on Sep 9, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Heck...
… in the game I was watching, Camarillo was the best receiver on the field. We just didn’t complete many passes to the wide receivers period, and nothing down the field.
Camarillo made the best down field catch of the day for a wide out.
Without Shiancoe we would have gained about 100 yards offense. Shiancoe was a stud today. But he can’t carry us.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a stud tell the started putting Porter on him
The shame is that they could. Harvin should have been able to step up on that. Also, if Favre is never going to throw to Berrian then cut his ass and pick up another player.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
actually
Our SS Harper started covering him in the 2nd half we took the LB off him
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Favre put up very Jackson like numbers last night.
I don’t expect that to continue.
we have no idea
why he wasnt in earlier
favre was just rusty, last year we played the browns and lions early so we could win while favre was adjusting
this year he just got thrown into the fire
"Wait ur a girl?" -YanksVikes ignorance about The Melkman
and by the way...
…if you don’t know this about our team, our head coach is pretty good at picking players, but terrible at actually… coaching.
Hey I know how that feels.
Camarillo will be a part of this team I can garuntee it. Favre likes receivers who will go up for the ball and make the catch. Camarillo looks like one of those players. The thing is that Favre throws a bullet and timing has to be very much spot on or he’ll miss the player. Because of this he needs some reps with his receivers. I think by the time we hit Miami you’ll see him being utilized more effectively.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
He made one really nice catch. I would have liked to see more passes his way.
No Favre did not look good, but his receievers were not helping him out either. Percy had a bad game. Berrian can hardly hold on to the ball when he gets open.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 9, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Lots to be surprised by but a lot to be disappointed by too.
Unfortunately there seems to be both good and bad in equal amounts from tonight’s result. :(
AP had a good game, to some extent, but he just never breaks anything open anymore – it’s frustrating.
Our offense just looked pretty bad tonight, in general. :( Ugh.
Secondary was bad at first, then solidified (surprisingly, considering how short-handed we are there) but I was vastly disappointed at how crappy we were against their running game. Just awful. Bleah. Cost us the game at the end.
O-line did a better job than the last time we played these chumps, so that’s something at least. :) Shiancoe was a bright spot as was Camarillo (why not pass to him more, please Vikes). But Berrian was awful – reminded me of a certain Troy Williamson tonight. Just awful. Yuck.
We didn’t get to the QB enough, either, that was a huge disappointment, from what I saw. Still, we held the score down really, really well, so that’s a win of sorts, at least. Sigh.
Fun game but I suspect we’re in for a Lonnnnggg season, lads. SKOL VIKINGS EITHER WAY!
I don't think they were trying to
It was clear the Vikings were not committing to the blitz tonight, opting to help the DB’s instead. Considering the score and Brees’ 200+ yards passing, it was a great gameplan. Would have been nice to see the front 4 get to Brees more often, but they do have a good offensive line.
If the Vikings get healthy and in sync...
we’re going all the way, hopefully that’s not too much to ask for
As a big fan of his
I was surprised Jared Allen was not a factor.
4 years, 4 coaches, 7 league road wins, 0 playoff games, 1 GM. Fire Mo Johnston.
Agreed.
Here’s to hoping he gets back on track soon. We’ll need his skills in the Packer games, for sure.
No, he really wasn’t. Bushrod just did a game job pushing him deep on most plays.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, I remember the opposite. I think Collinsworth said something to the extent of, “The Saints have a bunch of different ways they can help Bushrod out with Allen but they haven’t really had to.”
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember seeing
Reggie Bush make (Literally) a half assed chip block on Allen one time.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to beat a dead horse, but found this in an article on Scout.com
“He also spoke to the reduction in snaps for Jared Allen, who spent much of the night getting chipped by tight ends and running backs on more plays than he was allowed to go one on one against Saints left tackle Jermon Bushrod. The additional energy Allen had to expend being so consistently double-teamed led to the Vikings using their DE rotation more than expected.
"We had a pretty good wave going in there," Childress said. "You saw Jayme Mitchell get in there and get a sack. You saw Brian Robison go inside and rush. You saw Ray (Edwards) rushing from the right side where he normally rushes from the left side. We’re going to keep that mixing (of players in and out). We’ve got good football players in there. (Letroy) Guion did a good job, (Fred) Evans did a good job,…”
"We have a right to be proud, for in our veins flows the blood of many brave races who fought as the lion fights for lordship. Here, in the whirlpool of European races, the Ugric tribe bore down from Iceland the fighting spirit which Thor and Odin gave them, which their Berserkers displayed to such fell intent on the seaboards of Europe, ay, and of Asia and Africa too, till the peoples thought that the werewolves themselves had come."
-from Bram Stoker's Dracula
Yep - Completely shut down by their Left Tackle
Give their O-line credit. I thought they played a helluva game on run and pass defense
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
The entire d-line looked exhausted all game. In the first game of the season with a major revenge factor on their mind that is just plain inexcusable. D-linemen don’t need to ‘warm up’. It’s very much an effort + talent = success position. Timing and chemistry have very little to do with it.
What I don't get...
Isn’t the d-line deep with young players? Where were they? If the Williams wall is getting gassed why not rotate in Gulion (I probably spelled that wrong, forgive me I’m a Packer fan and haven’t memorized the Vikings’ line rotation yet) and Kennedy?
by PackApologist on Sep 10, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a very good question.
I thought our 2’s looked damn good…..in the preseason.
Offensively
Tonight may have convinced our Front Office to go out an get Vincent Jackson. Lord I hope so!….. If that’s the result of tonights weak offensive performance, I am very happy!
....Vincent Jackson is suspended for 6 games.
What’s the option, trade Berrian?
4 years, 4 coaches, 7 league road wins, 0 playoff games, 1 GM. Fire Mo Johnston.
3 games. The other 3 are a roster exemption which probably won't apply if he's traded.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhhhhh it's killing me
I’ve seen 4, then 6 when we nearly got him at roster cuts, now it’s 3?
Okay. So if you trade for him now you’ll get him by week 4?
4 years, 4 coaches, 7 league road wins, 0 playoff games, 1 GM. Fire Mo Johnston.
Most likely.
There’s a hearing to clear up his situation this week.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
One consideration
If they actually made that trade, they’d get him with a bye week immediately following his 3 game suspension. That would give him an extra week to get up to speed with his new team.
Good point.
Hope it happens. The potential deal that the Charger’s shot down was one year at 7 million.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Players Union
Is going to have that dropped to 3 game suspension. We will be fine in the next two games…
If SD will take Berrian and a draft pick great! If not, keep him and put Berrian, Harvin and Jackson out there with Camarillo as the 4th wideout. Then once Rice returns the options are incredible!
I'm up for the trade but I'd keep Berrian.
We need some wide outs for the next two games : )
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is we bring back Walker for the next few games
Also, SD doesn’t need receivers right now. They need D line help and the Vikes have an abundance. That makes us a good match if AJ Smith doesn’t try to “win” the trade like I keep hearing. If he is realistic I think we can get it done.
He won't
because he’s just a douche. I can see him wanting to get a good deal for Jackson, but come on. You obviously don’t want or think you need him, or you’d resign him. And he obviously doesn’t want to stick around. That lowers value. He seems to want to have his cake and eat it too.
I'd trade Berrian right now
I’m beginning to think that guy couldn’t catch herpes in a whorehouse. If he doesn’t turn it on this year, he’s gotta be replaced.
He didn't even have a drop in the game!
That first pass was tipped and he was only thrown to twice after that.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It was tipped but he got his hands on it and it was very catchable.
by PurplePeopleEaters on Sep 9, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Debatable on the catchable part.
Still, I think we’re blaming him a bit much for one tough play.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
We're blaming him
because it’s becoming a pattern from last year through this year’s preseason. The guy is missing the ‘clutch’ factor a #1 WR needs.
He had three drops last year and was injured all year.
He was also our best receiver in the NFC championship game when he was finally healthy.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that had more to do with the Saints placing most of their concentration on Rice, Shiancoe, and Harvin. Not necessarily him beating guys, consistently getting open.
He didn’t perform well at all last night. Got little to no separation, and really wasn’t the #1 target that Favre needed him to be. I think it was telling that he after the first half Favre really didn’t even do so much as look Berrian’s way.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Our four receivers combined for four catches.
The Saints were rushing three a lot and dropping eight into coverage. Berrian may not have performed well but none of our WRs did because NO and Favre’s rust combined to take them away.
by CanadianViking on Sep 10, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
??
He had a ball go right through his hands that would have been a key completion. A little behind him, but still — right in his hands.
Tipped as well.
Check the replay, Greer got his hand on it just before it reached Berrian.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's a question
Berrian was brought in to s-t-r-e-t-c-h the field. Where is the separation? The guy doesn’t get open nearly as often as the others. Look at what Rice did last year – he’s no burner, but he managed to get space by being smart with his play, much the way the slow Cris Carter did.
Hey, I don't know man. Him and Harvin were doubled all night.
Other than Shank we didn’t have any passes 15 yards or deeper. My point is every wideout on the team stank it up tonight and Favre was erratic with his throws. Blame Berrian for the whole passing offense sucking if you want, but nobody else did anything good either.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Carramillo had a grab for 29 yards.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 10, 2010 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I would like to apologize for the butchering of this name.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 10, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Berrian is supposed to be healthy and fast again
Or so I’m told.
The last couple years I’ve watched him get his separation by taking advantage of the mis-steps of the opposition, but that takes time and patience. In this game, he didn’t have that luxury, the ball had to be out very fast or Favre was going down. Berrian can’t seem to count on being fast, or on having good hands either.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
We can't trade him now...
… unless it is for a better wide receiver. We need him.
But I gotta agree, Berrian was absolutely invisible. I can’t figure that out.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Double teamed all night.
Not having Sidney on the other side hurt all our receivers.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
… but it was still a weak performance by Berrian. If he is supposed to be of the caliber of a #1 receiver, you’ve got to make plays with double teams. 1 catch for 3 yards isn’t going to get it done. I saw some plays where 2 or even 3 guys were around Shiancoe, and he made plays.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Shank made plays because Berrian and Harvin were seeing doubles.
Our passing game was off and the blame should be shared. How many catches did Harvin have for instance? Should we cut him too?
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
- receivers are going for 10 million a year right now. $6 million is about right for a #2 guy.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather go for Jackson and use BB's 6 mil to cover most of his salary
Either cut Berrian or restructure him down to 3ish where he belongs.
I didn't say we should cut anyone...
… and I agree about Harvin. He wasn’t very effective either. But, with Percy we got a few plays. The reverse for example.
But let’s face it, Greg Lewis was doing as much as Bernard Berrian. Greg Lewis much make at most 1/10 as much $$$ as Berrian.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry that was somebody else who said we should cut him.
All our WRs were bad tonight. I’m just defending Berrian a bit because he seems to be the only one getting blamed.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
… I do agree. They all were bad. But, Berrian is our #1 with Sidney out. He makes the big bucks.
Percy I think is a bit of an unusual case. You can keep him from catching the ball down the field. I don’t see him as being that effective at getting passes down the field. What he gives you is playmaking on a short catch. A slant perhaps, and then yards after catch.
Maybe we should trade Berrian after the year is out, I don’t know. That remains to be seen. But, for now these are the guys we’ve got. But it makes me feel more and more like Sidney Rice is the guy making Berrian look good, and Berrian is way overpaid.
Crap, that’s what the Bears fans always say, and I’m starting to agree with them.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to say.
Sidney was the man last year but didn’t see the double teams until late in the year. In the championship game Sid got the doubles and Berrian produced. I think both are good but neither is elite so they need the other as a complement. Harvin seems to be more suited for the slot. Aw, crap I don’t know. Our WRs look bad in general right now and I’m hoping it’s just bad timing with Favre or good defense by the Saints.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah me too...
… it does seem like timing + communication wasn’t there. And without Sidney, there is no “critical mass” of talent in the receiving corps.
But, when Berrian was ineffective because he was injured last year, Sidney and Percy did just fine.
It’s only one game. That’s the best thing you can say. One game doesn’t give you many data points. I would guess it will get better even before Sidney is back, but man they have a long way to go to be just average.
I do think the Saints secondary did a very good job. But someone should get open. Favre had the time to throw and nothing. Barely 50% completion, and low yardage.
But, Berrian was less productive today than Harvin, Camarillo, and Lewis. That’s just flat awful play for a #1.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, poor showing all around for the WRs.
One catch each for less than 60 yards combined and half of that was Camarillo’s 29 yarder. Brutal performance.
by CanadianViking on Sep 10, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Berrian isn't a #1
We all need to remember that. He’s a #2 we’re trying to force be a #1 right now.
Not yet, but maybe Camarillo should start ahead of him
with Lewis as the #3
by medicineball on Sep 10, 2010 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Not so sure about that...
Camarillo’s a possession guy, like Sidney. Having both of those two to switch out as needed, or both on the field in 4 receiver set, is going to be amazing.
But is Cam a good substitute for Berrian? I’m not so sure, but then, the Vikings don’t have a true #1 so you make do, I guess…
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
You're completely correct, but Berrian did not impress me last year
and failed to even offer a glimmer of hope this game. He looked slow and out of shape. Not only that but when he did get a pass he waited for it instead of going for the ball. Personally to me that’s inexcusable and that’s what is the difference between Rice and him.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
If you're trying to get yards..
going for the ball makes no sense. I assume you mean on the… Greer deflection right in front of him, right? I mean, come on. Berrian did everything you want from a WR on that play, Greer just did everything you want your DB to do as well.
If this is like last year
I have a feeling BB will be non-existant in future games w/ Favre not feeling comfortable throwing to him w/ him not being a reliable target.
I see a big year out of Camarillo once the timing is made..
Another big year out of Shank…
Another big year out of Harvin.
Lewis w/ a few random catches as well…
Good Game
Very good game guys, as a Saint;s fan you all had me worried.
Thanks for the kind words. Not exactly a “classic” like the NFCCG was, but still a good, hard fought, competitive, compelling game.
I mean it with all respect when I say that I hope we don’t have to tangle with you again this year :)
we will get them again in the post season by then we will be hitting with evrything in sync!!!
by cali viking on Sep 10, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
You guys played hard puddnhead
Your defense was stout as hell. Both our offenses were very sluggish. We made critical mistakes that would normally lose games but we hung in there. 2 missed FG, dropped balls and a missed TD is something we need to clean up before week 2.
We got a long way to go
The almighty Saints
Lined up with all their “great” receivers and their “great” quarterback and their “great” offensive line against a team that fielded three healthy CBs, was playing a safety at corner in a lot of their sub packages. . .
And managed a blistering 14 points.
That’s probably the best offense we’re going to see all year, despite what all the media members that are part of the ever-growing Green Bay circle jerk are going to tell you. . .and we went in incredibly short-handed, and that team managed two whole touchdowns.
I’m not worried about the rest of the year.
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by Christopher Gates on Sep 9, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions
regardless tho
a couple key missed opportunities by the saints that could have made this game alot worse
"It’s not arrogance, it’s destiny." -RKO
agreed
and one of the better coaches
"Wait ur a girl?" -YanksVikes ignorance about The Melkman
Totally agree
As much as I wanted a win for MN, I find myself strangely heartened by what I saw tonight. On paper, there’s no way the Vikings should have been able to keep that game close. No Rice or Griffin. Starting a backup safety who’s been fasting all month, and a 2nd RB with no real experience. A QB who has no chemistry right now with his receivers, save for the TE. I’d have to say, the line on this game tomorrow should be that Minnesota played better than expected, or at least, that the Saints fell short or expectations.
On top of that, our award-winning rookie running back didn’t even play.
by medicineball on Sep 9, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking that a couple of times as well.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Abdullah starting has me very confused.
Did he really pass T. Johnson and J. Sanford on the depth chart?
No
He is just considered our best ‘coverage’ Safety, because he apparently has a ‘better feel for the game’ than Johnson and Sanford. Apparently, Frazier forgot that he sucks balls against actually starting quality WRs. You won’t see him make that mistake again.
I'm confused...
You mock the Saints offense with all the “greats” and then claim we’re the best you’re gonna see all year. Which one is it?
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
It's not...
an either/or choice…his point was to somewhat poke fun at all the over-hyping of the Saints offensive weapons while still pointing out that despite the over-hyping, they’ll still likely be the best we face all year. What’s to be confused by?
so the best offense puts up only 14 points....
I have the same attitude…. It’s first game of the season. I’m not worried about the rest of the year either.
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
I too feel good about the 14 points aspect. But continuing the trashtalk of their team comes off as a bit … self-defeatin. They beat us fair and square, they were the better team overall tonight, IMO there is no dispute of that. So saying they suck only implies we suck even more. What’s the point of that?
by puddnhead on Sep 9, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Rec'd.
It’s childish really. That whole act is definitely getting old. So is the constant references to the media loving the Packers.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually
That’s not getting old – people are sicking of the media hanging on the Packers’ collective jock-straps. What’s the most annoying thing about it is that they’ve proven nothing last year. The got to the playoffs and promptly lost while getting beat by their chief rivals along the way, twice. Where I come from, a place I like to call “common sense land,” teams don’t get ranked higher than the previous division champions who swept them the year before. That’s just stupid.
And I don’t necessarily disagree but things do change from year to year. Regardless, addressing the issue a few times is fine. But constantly ranting every time the media mentions the Packers in a positive light does get old.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Chris
Your defense is the stoutest in the league no doubt. Both offenses played poorly. It was an ugly game I agree. A lot of dropped passes on our part, a missed TD, and 2 missed FG unacceptable on our part. Ya’ll still played tough and still have a great team.
Even if you were banged up
You still have a top notch D. You were out a CB, and I don’t think we did a very good job at exploiting that. It was a helluva hard fought game on both sides. You have one of the greatest QB’s to ever play the game, and was missing your #1 receiving threat. You did very well despite the adversities you faced coming in. I hope we see you again in the playoffs, with both of our teams completely healthy.
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 10, 2010 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
Really think both teams discovered some things they need to address before the next game. It wasn’t a “great” game for either team. Both played hard and “clean” I thought and the refs weren’t really a big factor and there were no serious injuries…so all in all, yeah we came up on the losing end, but we’ll hopefully meet again and avenge ourselves. Good luck the rest of the season.
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It was the first game of the season
You just won’t see a lot of polish out of most teams right now. Well except for the bears I hear they’ve been havign midnight practices so no one can see their new stealth offense.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
by Grime on Sep 10, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
well that and spending their day practices looking as bad as possible so people underestimate them this year.
by PackApologist on Sep 10, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a Saints Fan
I find you humorous. I give you Rec
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 4:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess I have to be the first to say this
Short handed in the defensive backfield. Short handed WR corps. Dumb INT by Favre. Playing on teh road against the defending champs and their high powered offense. And they kept it to a 14-9 final score? I think this was a very well coached game by Childress.
Gotta agree.
If we manage 1 TD in the second half we win. Would’ve liked to see more Peterson in the second half as him and Shank were the only parts of our offense that looked decent.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
INT not totally on Favre
You really can’t blame your QB When the LB grabs your TE around the waist and moves him out of the way to get the pick.
The score was 14-9 in spite of our Vikings, not because of. They probably left 13 points out there. If the score was 27-9 are you still that optimistic? I think we were lucky to come out that close.
Absolutely!
If I had been watching this game at my house instead of my sisters, you would have heard me hollering about that in New Orleans!
And how is it that the Saints defensive players are allowed to get right in someones face and start talking smack to them without a flag? Last I knew, that was taunting.
For a team that didn’t play all that great, the Saints came off as being incredibly cocky last night.
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No kidding
Some of the after-game quotes annoyed me too. They’ve easily become my most hated team behind the Packers.
we just need
to get on track against miami
we faced the best qb we are going to face sorry rodger lovers
and one of the better coaches
despite this and being shorthanded we were in the game, another week of favre practicing adnd he should be on track with the wr’s
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What the heck...
… was up with Berrian? He was invisible. If I had to pick one thing that really stood out as crap-tacular, it was Berrian.
Favre looked out of sync, but the O-line was fine.
I don’t know now if no one was getting open, or Favre wasn’t hitting them.
But Berrian really, really looked bad. If Berrian can’t step it up better than that, we are going to have serious trouble.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:01 PM CDT reply actions
Bit of both.
WR’s weren’t getting open and the odd time they did Favre was off on his throws.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I suspect...
… you are right. And on the quick stuff, there was little communication. I could see some plays with separation, like one with Camarillo in particular, where the throw was on time but just not in quite the right place.
Maybe they can work it out. I hope anyhow. But man, it looks like we really miss Sidney Rice. More than I would have thought.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like last year except we didn't get to warm up with the Browns.
No training camp for Favre, Harvin, and Camarillo. We’ll be much better as they get some practice.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely agree...
… but I’m just pissed right now. It still drives me nuts because Berrian was so invisible. I hate to lose this game.
Frankly, any result wouldn’t have surprised me. I thought we might get blown out. I also thought our defense might dominate.
I didn’t expect both teams to put up such low numbers. I thought we might struggle some, but that was ridiculous.
I thought we might struggle up front with the O-line, and that was pretty good. The right side of our line, Loadholt and Herrera, were just crunching the Saints for AP. And with Kleinsasser and Tahi leading, we had a good thing going for awhile.
If we could have got a lead in the second half, we could have fed AP and won that game.
I didn’t think we’d struggle THAT badly in the passing game.
I thought Shiancoe had an absolute Herculean effort in that game, considering how little the other receivers did.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would've kept feeding AD in the second half.
Our receivers and Favre looked like they were still in pre-season mode. Oh, except Shank who looked good.
by CanadianViking on Sep 9, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
We were never down enough that we couldn’t keep running the ball. That and we really did miss Chester Taylor there were many many thrid downs where I was like, man I wish Chester was in there right now catching this screen pass.
By the way Albert Young looked terrible today.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yeah, Young can block but he can't do anything else.
No carries for AD in the fourth quarter. That can’t happen while Favre is rusty.
by CanadianViking on Sep 10, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
The O-line got banged up because poor McKinnie hurt his finger
and Sullivan kept getting blowed up by Ellis. It was hard to find holes for the guy. I was actually happy we were at least trying to throw, but got pretty pissed at the WRs because nobody was helping Favre out.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Sep 9, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions
for me
POSITIVES
1. o-line, whoa, did anyone see them playing this well, favre had all day to throw and peterson had big holes
2. AP, yes he did not have a big run, but a 4.5 avg is good and he held onto to the ball
3. shiancoe, some great catches and the only pass catcher favre looked comfortbale throwing too
Negatives
1. D-line, manage 2 sacks, but did not get to brees enough, and definitely didnt make him pay for last years hits on favre
2. Play call, old reliable boring plays, very predictable
3. Percy, looked like a guy who missed camp, poor returns, out of sync with his routes
4. Berrian, pretty terrible on punt returns and worse as a receiver
5 Albert young, after ap comes out, we need a big bruiser to punish the D, and Albert looked nervous out there not hitting the holes
MEH’s (inbetween)
1. Secondary, yes they held NO to only 14 points, but they got torched early and couldnt get a stop late and got baled out by some drops. still for missing 2 starters not a bad job
2. favre, looked out of sync and nervous. He seemed to have happy feet and never really got set despite having plenty of time to throw. However he made a few nice throws to shank and with some more practice should be the favre of last year. And that pick was a mistake, but shank was held on the play and hartley missed a fg
3. camarillo, why he didnt play earlier we may never know, but he had a nice catch on 3rd down and looks to be a potential go to guy
"Wait ur a girl?" -YanksVikes ignorance about The Melkman
You are right about...
… Berrian fielding punts. Holy crap he looked awful. If we are just going to get a guy to fair catch the ball, maybe Camarillo would be better, if he has sure hands as everyone seems to say.
In general, the special teams didn’t look very special either. Our kick coverage was decent, but we still have to deal with Longwell’s horrible kick offs. Kluwe did a good job, better than usual. But, our blocking on our punt and kick returns was HORRIBLE. Two holding calls even on two consecutive punts, and then both were fair catches.
I think Asher Allen or Camarillo is going to have to field punts. Or maybe Harvin if he can do it without having a seizure. But who is going to block?
I think we should have kept Rhys Lloyd, on the off-chance he might be able to pull it together at some point. I’m so tired of Longwell’s crappy kickoffs.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.. somewhat..
We are predictable.. thats the coaching of brad childress for ya.. didnt even try to discuise a play jus rolled wit da basics.
But it worked!
C’mon… The whole reason that score was so low (which kept the Vikings in the game) was the BALL CONTROL. Childress called a good game. Look at the time of possession.
by rovibe on Sep 9, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And what happened?
We had all that possession and couldn’t even manage to score one more time! we hit em with the same stuff over and over and they caught on.. we controlled the ball going into second half with the ball comin our way and we managed to get nowhere.. The run game at least had a chance to breakthru if given the chance
Yeah that's my thought too
I don’t mean to troll here, but when you lose a game and get shut out in the second half the game plan didn’t work. That’s actually the opposite of working.
by PackApologist on Sep 9, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that does play into it. I just have a hard time believing that a game plan worked when the team lost. I have an even harder time with that when all the points come in one quarter on two drives. That’s not an offense moving up and down the the field that is schemed effectively.
by PackApologist on Sep 9, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No Capitalization!
Its not accepting the loss from the better team in the end thats badd (although its the case for me rite now), its that we had all the potential in the world to take the game over that ticks me off. We made nothing out of something all second half.. we never capitalized on our drives, or even showed motivation to try.. More impatience than anything
Nice summary
I’d tack Childress also for leaving Loadholt overmatched without help, McKinnie v. Peppers style… McKinnie gets a negative, too. I’ve defended him, but leaving the game on a cart due to a finger….that’s lame.
I also thought Asher Allen didn’t look bad. He got caught a couple times and his notorious bad hands showed up, but not bad. It’d be huge if he can step up this year.
It was a finger?
Man. I didn’t know what it was. A finger?
Oh my God. Did it fall off? Even still, if it fell off he should be able to walk his sorry ass off the field.
He’ll be clubbing it up tonight.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm nuts...
… but I’d start Camarillo and move Harvin back to the slot.
Also, and maybe there was a good reason for it, but why did they stop feeding AP in the second half? The Saints didn’t stop him all game…
BCB free since 8/24/10 and happier for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 9, 2010 11:08 PM CDT reply actions
I'd agree, on one condition
He has to attend the Ted Simmons Speed Camp first! Not fast enough to play outside, but I think I’d take him over Berrian right now myself.
O-Line got hurt
and then our C kept getting blown up on running plays ‘cause he hasn’t played all pre-season. There wasn’t any holes for him really. Or, who knows, maybe Childress called running plays and Favre audibled out of them.
Either way, it reminds me of Peterson’s rookie season, where he’d have GREAT games, but Childress seemingly forgot about him.
A lot of the time though it didn’t matter that there were no holes. He was running like a maniac last night. The only way he was ever brought down was when the Saints were able to gain tackle him with 2-3 guys.
by packallday555 on Sep 10, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Offense no more...
Favre’s rusty ol’ arm needs more rest than repair with all those underthrows. And if the rest of our offense doesnt step their game up by the second half of the season, we’re toast! The whole team looked out of whack and out of shape. A couple key players gone and we still had the lead goin into the half. AP suddenly stops running the ball and offense completely crumbled afterwards.
No Joe Webb?
Why not let that kid in the game for at least a few plays? Ok, not to replace Farvre, but let the kid make a play or two from the wildcat or use him at WR for a play or two. It’s obvious without Rice in the lineup that we need someone to make a play. Webb showed he can make plays already, use him!
I completely agree. We should put him in there for a play or two and give him a chance. We didn’t really have any big plays and could have used a spark plug for a big play.
Yeah why not
1st game of the year on opening night, on national tv. Let’s throw a rookie in a critical position on the road in the 4th qtr.
When?
If he comes in, Favre or TJack can’t go back in the game.
The Saints had the ball the final 4 minutes.
~Lah~ ♪♫
I don’t know if anybodys mentioned this but we should really try to get AP the ball on screens, and out in the flat. He’s really improved his receiving skills and as tonight showed, he’s great in the open field when he can take on corners and make quick cuts. Giving the ball on screens and in the flat from favre will help him get those opportunities in the open field.
I totally agree..
… especially to buy time on blitzes. It seemed to me the Saints didn’t blitz that much, or didn’t get there, partly because we threw so many short balls.
But I thought before the game we needed several screens. I only saw one. Peterson and Harvin can do it.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Bryant
What was up with the Mckinnie injury? I saw that he got hurt and carted off but I had the volume low and didn’t see what actually happened on the play
Man that is ridiculous...
… can they not pay that guy if he doesn’t play for a minor ass injury? I mean, how badly hurt was his finger and why does he need a cart for a finger injury?
Can’t they just tape the hurt finger to his other fingers and send him back out?
McKinnie is looking like a worthless piece of crap.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I will say right now the Brett-Favre-Can-Make-Any-Receiver-An-All-Pro theory doesn’t look too brilliant. Wow did they miss Rice.
Strangely, Favre’s and Brees’s yards-per-attempt numbers were fairly similar: 6.3 for Favre and 6.6 for Brees. It’s just that the Vikings passing game went down the toilet once they took Shianco effectively out of the game.
I think loadholt
can play LT
i mean the few plays he was in, Favre wasnt under any more pressure than before, it may hurt the run game, but Mckinnie was sort of declining in that too
"Wait ur a girl?" -YanksVikes ignorance about The Melkman
Without McKinnie this year...
… we are done. In spite of my “piece of crap” comment above, we desperately need his mediocre level of play.
However, regardless of this season, we’ve got to find a way to move and replace his fat ass, and whatever they are paying him.
I don’t know what this year holds, but to me, next year is a rebuilding year. We are going to need a QB and a left tackle, and we’ll be lucky to get a solid combo there.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 9, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you make.....
any less sense? Piece of crap, we desperately need him, blah, blah, blah. I suppose this way you have both sides of the argument covered, no matter how he performs.
No it does make sense...
… he’s the best piece of crap we have, and without him we are desperately short-handed. He just is looking like a bottom tier left tackle. I don’t think there are more than a handful of teams he would start for.
He’s just the best left tackle on an already short-handed offensive line, with Sullivan hurting and no solid backups.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to second that- McKinnie royally sucks right now, but we really just don’t have another option at LT.
Agreed...
… we don’t have a choice.
This year that is. But unless things dramatically turn around, we need to start over at left tackle. I’m wishing we drafted a replacement this year.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Other than looking silly......
being carted off with a finger injury, he did fine. Favre was sacked once, up the middle, the running game did OK. I think that is the job of a left tackle, keep your QB upright, and open some holes. I think he did that for the most part.
Maybe...
… but if you aren’t on the field you aren’t worth anything.
Most of the runs that worked were on the right side. I thought overall the O-line was surprisingly good. They gelled getting Sullivan back.
The idea he rode the cart off with a finger injury just seems absurd to me. If his finger is still attached to his hand, can’t they tape his fingers together and send him out? I don’t think a broken finger should keep him out.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Because you use your hands quite a bit on the line
And it’s hard to hold people with a broken pinky.. :D
Seriously though, taping it up give him a tylenol and send him back out.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Not as I hoped but not surprised
I had no idea how this game would go going into it. If you consider that Favre barely practiced with the team over the offseason, Harvin barely practicing, Sidney out, and Cam new its no surprise that our offense was out of sync and confused in the passing game. Adrian looked good and our O-line performed well beyond my expectations. Our secondary did well considering the injuries and perception people have of them. I wasn’t impressed with our run D in the second half however.
It’s a tough game to start the season and I see us getting much better from here with our guys recovering and getting in the groove.
SKOL!
by EventualChamps! on Sep 9, 2010 11:43 PM CDT reply actions
I think you've...
… captured it accurately and succinctly, if slightly more optimistic than me.
I just thought the wide receiver play, and possibly QB play, was so off-the-charts bad, that I can’t feel too optimistic. When you consider that Favre had time and, as you said, they were able to run the ball fairly well, the passing game was just shockingly bad.
Shiancoe the lone exception, and when you consider the nice throws Favre got there to Shank, it makes me think our wide receivers just played like crap.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
As I think about this game.....
we looked just as good tonight in a loss to the champs on their turf as we did to the Browns in a victory, game one last year. Maybe better. You have to admit there were some uncomfortable fans then as well.
Oh Boy...
I hope this little miscommunication deal doesnt happen against MIA, the jets or the Pats later to come. The entire team needs to settle down on the field and figure things out before things get worse later on..Everyone wants a piece of our team (mainly favre) and they’re all gonna bring the steam unless we do 1st.. We need improvement
That was a great game for both teams guys.
Good game to all of you.
I really look forward to the Saints playing the Vikings in the playoffs.
"I can eat oreos faster than him" Scott Fujita's take on Payton Manning SB44
14 points is good but it should have been at least 20
The saints just plain missed 2 makeable fgs that would have made it a 20 point performance. Meacham dropped the touchdown and they had some other recievers drop passes to kill drives. I think they were out of sync some too.
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Sep 9, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions
Gtfo. 1 of those fga should never have happened. There was blatant pa on favre’s int that allowed for that fga to begin with.
There’s one in every group….
Those are both very solid points
I mean, if you want to clap yourself on the back because our defense ‘held them to 14’ points, at least be realistic. It should have been more. Who cares if there was PI on Favre’s int? There was PI on that Brees pass to the TE when Sheppard was hanging off the dude’s back and knocked the ball out for an incompletion. I think the refs called a decent, if not a little strict, game.
Honestly, we were lucky it was only 14 points. Realistically, it should’ve been about 24.
Chester Taylor
I think the loss of Taylor hurts the Vikings more than most people seem to think.
That was an ugly football game
Neither team played all that well, and I’m sure the Saints would tell you the same thing. NO just happened to put two scoring drives in the end zone, and the Vikes had to settle for a field goal on one.
It’s just one game, no big deal, we’re still better than Green Bay.
The Colorado Rockies aren't a team, they're an armada.
Oh well..........
Chris said it best… “Oh well…”
We were all hoping for a win…. Most of us were hoping for a running up of the score…. But we can’t get what we wish for… But lets be optimistic about things while we can and take what we learned from the season opener.
Here is what I saw:
- I was not to fond of the idea of BB fielding punt returns.. I don’t think he made any attempt to try to return any… Not to mention he dropped one, but luckily it wasn’t over-turned.
- It was obvious tonight that Favre could of used more time in TC. Not that he doesn’t know the WCO very well, but it is more of a timing issues with his receivers. He needs to get into sync w/ them and have the catches be made.
- AP w/ no fumbles.. I am not sure of his end stats, but not one dropped ball. I wonder if it will ever happen this year. Can you imagine a year w/o an AP fumble? O-M-G! That would be awesome.
*Offensive weapons… We are weak in this…. I am not going to say a No-Rice is the reason… Camarillo should have been in the game more… He had one missed catch that was a stretch for him to catch. If only he had caught it…
*Vikings got lucky w/ not 1 but 2!!!! missed field goals…. We need to learn to use that in our advantage.. Atlanta Falcons used it when we played them in the NFCCG… It was a momentum changer..
*Vikings run-defense. Wow, way to give up runs in the 2nd 1/2…. You continuously played the pass while giving up the run.. It really hurt us in the end of the game when we needed to prevent the Saints from converting their first downs.
Overall, I am impressed with the defense. I would expect that the upcoming teams may fear our defense a little… Saints held to 14 is quite amazing, but our offense was also porous, but we had very little weapons to work with.. Sadly, we couldn’t make those crucial plays…
Penalties…. They can sometimes come at a bad time.. At one time it killed a Vikings drive that looked promising.. Even when it was like 2nd and 30, we still nearly converted, but moved it up the field for better punting.
Asher Allen, next time go into the game w/ glue on your hands.. I would of loved to see you make that pick-6… I would of loved you forever.
I’m glad to see that the only obvious injury was McKinnie w/ a finger injury…. Man, I sure hope that heals up w/ the 10 days he will have off… Luckily Loadholt was able to step up, but nothing serious went on after that that would make us cringe at him playing a different position.
9 points….. Realistically this game could of and should have been 20-10…. But field goals and PAT were just not there… But who knows how the game would of played on from there on out if the team had actually made a FG. The team would have been in a different position. I heard a couple times how the announcers were making comments how some of the receivers were not correctly running their routes. P. Harvin was one of them.
The 1 interception was a bad decision, but Favre was hit while passing.. Meaning a bobbled pass… Still looked bad as if he would of thrown it w/o being hit..
I think the offense needs quite a few tweaks and the run-defense needs to work on the run a little better.
Our injured players need to get into the game and we need to find some receiving threats……… Maybe work Webb into a WR role temporarily until rice returns… Is it possible? Maybe, let’s get it done…
I think that we can feel confident about the team even though it was a loss..
Webb can't be any worse than Berrian right now.
0 yards is 0 yards.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I'd rather have him fumble another 10 times
if it means he finds the endzone as many times as he did last year. He needs to be fed for sure.
You guys have a great defense no doubt
We didn’t get the high scoring game we expected but it happens sometimes. Both offenses looked very rusty. We had some dropped passes, a dropped TD and 2 missed FG. It was a defensive battle and a close game.
I left you a message on another post but anyways congrats on your win good game you guys deserved it are D played well but are O wasn’t in sync, boring but good game but congrats brother we will see you in the post season but congrats and hats off to you guys!!!
by cali viking on Sep 10, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Cali
Looked for you but the blogs are working overtime like crazy. Both our offenses look very sluggish. Dropped passes on our part, missed TD and 2 missed FG. I guess it was meant to be a defensive battle and not a high scoring game. Your defense is stout, and tough to play against. Thanks for being a good fan and a good man Cali.
There’s a lot of games left in the season, anything can happen. Good luck against Miami.
Sorry not to say much kinda depressed right now O well we will take care of Miami big time!!!!
by cali viking on Sep 10, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand
Don’t get too down it’s just one game. Anything can happen down the stretch I believe your offense will click again for miami. Be strong hang in there.
Right on look forward to a rematch thanks Jricky!!!
by cali viking on Sep 10, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
No surprises here
Vikes will be rusty out of the gate. Then they’ll hit stride and roll off a bunch of wins. Vikes fans will have high expectations – again. Then Favre will throw a crucial late game INT in the playoffs and that will be that. And the smarter fans will wonder why they ever drank the kool aid.
funny now go away
you must be a aints fan coming to gloat. We will play you again and we will kick your ars.
he's a jets fan
I dont believe you will see many Saints fan coming here and trolling
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions
With Minnesota
Its the Purple Drank, With New Orleans – Chewing the Juicy Fruit, For the Jets is really drinking the kool-aid or would it be “Cutting out the stomach” in honor of Ryan’s off season surgery for the quest of weight reduction?
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I Hate...
…moral victories, but tonight feels like one. I think we roll Miami and Detroit; if we can beat the Jets and head into the bye week 3-1, I’d say we’ll be well on track for a winning record by the time we’re fully healthy, and then it’s boom goes the dynamite.
Still annoyed about tonight, mind. It was there for the taking. We just looked tired.
No rollin Detroit this year, if your gonna win were gonna make you fight for it :)
WE growed teef and claws n stuff in the off season, were bigger kitties now!
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
So...
You went from kittens to cubs..
Ya, still not scared.
Should be.
They have a decent offense. We have trouble matching up against Megatron when healthy. How are we gonna do it hobbled? They have an explosive RB in Best, and we are suddenly looking pretty average covering the run. Not to mention the fact that the Lions typically play us tightly. This could be the year they topple us, especially since its early in the season.
Most of us Lions faithful that are not sipping Kool-Aid
See us as going 6-10. I think we will play you guys close but I am not confident in a win or upset. If you guys can get healthy I think you still outmatch us too much but anything can happen. Our offense is scary but any non tight end starter going down will hurt a lot. Still not a lot of quality depth there. I think our front 4 will surprise a lot of people this year but they may have some growing pains considering none of the starters have played together before this year. We have little LB depth left with our best coverage LB on IR for the year and our best backup likely forced to start for our best LB many times due to a nagging groin injury. Delmas has a nagging groin too. We have some promising young safeties and defensive backs, but they are young, they will make mistakes. So secondary will be inconsistent at best, and could possibly be only slightly improved over last year. They are all fast and physical, but some lack ball skills and that is a concern.
But yeah if you guys get on sync though we could upset you I would not bet on it. You guys need a WR bad though. Maybe get Eddie Royal from Denver? They seem to love to give away all their good players :)
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Man that's it for me...
… it was good to vent with you all. I’m just going to have to settle for being a fan of whoever is playing the Packers now, until next week. I think it is the Eagles.
Eagles win, and then perhaps Detroit? Could it be, that Detroit will be in first place next week? I wouldn’t be at all shocked.
Later.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 12:28 AM CDT reply actions
Okay, I haven't seen a comment yet...
….and I’m NOT saying the game hinged on this play… but are you F-ING KIDDING ME ON THE KLEINSASSER NO CATCH CALL? IT WAS F-ING SOOOOOOO A CATCH… I AM SICK OF BAD CALLS IN F-ING THE SUPERDOME… THIS IS LIKE THE 3RD STRAIGHT GAME WHERE OBVIOUS, RIDICULOUS CALLS HAVE GONE AGAINST THE VIKES IN THAT CITY…
On a calmer note, another point I haven’t seen: Where was Gerhart? Young looked like you’d expect from Young on run plays… awful. Please, please tell me Gerhart gets a chance at some carries sooner rather than later.
by San Diego Viking on Sep 10, 2010 1:24 AM CDT reply actions
You know I have to agree, I seen a few calls missed. One I remember was the DB shoving Berrian in the back and stupid Chris Collinsworth saying he "tripped over his feet"
You guys definitely got shafted by the refs. It seemed like the NFL wanted the Saints to win, almost like they had another freaking Super Bowl celebration down there before the game.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Would have liked to see Gerhart too but...
Screw the missed calls! Yeh it was a bad call on Jimmy, but we needed more than a few missed calls to win this one. Agree with you but overall the refs were much better than in the NFCCG….but not stellar.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
????????????? really your going there
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't wanna hear you guys bitching on CSC
about how Vikings fans are bitching and whining about refs again. It’s a small minority. I hated the refs in the NFC CG, but I think they did a decent job this time. Hell, I think we even got away with a couple calls.
I'm not bitching about anything except
I thought both teams played like shit not up to their standard at all
We ran the ball 3 effing times in the 1st half are you kidding me what the hell happened to keeping your defense honest with the run
And i’m not going to critic ya’lls team you can do that but i just think both teams will do much better as the season progresses
World Champions at last
by mississippisaintsfan on Sep 10, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I am actually...
as a vent of frustration, on a blog designed for Vikings fans to vent such frustrations. As I prefaced my post, that call alone didn’t lose the game for us, but was still an awful call. I didn’t go to the Saints blog and make this comment, I did it on a Vikings blog. Why YOU (or any other teams’ fans) are here concerned with a post a Viking fan made on a Viking post is beyond me.
Frost: The overall officiating may have been fair… I made no comment about overall officiating. I vented about one call, one REVIEWED CALL… when play is stopped for a review, the correct call should be made most of the time, especially when it was so very clear. The same thing happened in the NFCCG.
by San Diego Viking on Sep 10, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but it was not clear...
They can’t reverse the ruling on the field unless there’s indisputable evidence in the replay booth, and there wasn’t any.
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
How about
Lance Moore had a catch, got touched and the ball was knocked out of his hands, but called incomplete? That stuff happens…get over it. I agree with the refs on the replay that there was nothing conclusive either way to see and the call on the field would stand. I’d say the same if it was called complete and challenged. Unless you can see through people and their clothes, you don’t know 100% it was a catch.
It was a good first game for both teams and hopefully they’ll both improve going into week two.
by BlackandGold4ever on Sep 10, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
um. no
go back & watch the replay. The ball hit the ground, he bobbled it back up to his chest & the Ma’doo’doo knocked it out. It hit the ground before Doo’doo even got to him. No catch. clearly.
I didnt think it was a good game for either team, btw. I thought, for all the Saints hype, that they really didnt live up to it. Too many drops, etc…
As for my Vikes. They really lived up to nothing. flat.
But that wasnt a catch anyway…just saying.
and it wasn't reviewed either...
missed calls happen… but REVIEWED missed calls should not happen, especially when it was so obvious. It shouldn’t even had been reviewed… the official in front of the play called it a catch… the official behind the play (and with no view whatsoever) called it incomplete.
by San Diego Viking on Sep 10, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree with you, San Diego Viking
Crap call – there were a few others but I already expected home-town reffing there, it’s par for the course. Cheaters gunna cheat, right? ;)
You can hate all you want.
SDV, man, I am sorry that you went after the incomplete pass, but the ball hit the turn. Before you go all sideways and quit reading, When you go back and look at the replay, the end of the ballhit the turf as it bounced out off his hands. I thought it was a catch at first, but after the replay I knew it wasn’t a catch. Stop trying to relive the NFCCG through this one. The Vikes got away with A LOT of things that could have been called, the Saints got away with a few things as well. The officiating was much better in this game, but if you are looking for games to be called 100% accurately, stop dreaming. I think that you are looking for anything to justify your loss and demonize the Saints for your own private lynch mob, but for that, you will need to sacrifice your head coach and his assistant. They made some incredibly boneheaded calls in the plays and schemes, and this loss can be chalked up to Childress’ inability to coach his talent properly.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions
DAMMINT **TURF** it hit the turf. I hate mispelling words of importance in my replies.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Favre post-game presser
Why does he have to be so humble? ha, I wonder what he really thinks…
Things like… Damn, our receivers suck! I need more options..
What about...
the fact that Favre overthrew and underthrew his receivers at times and also made bad reads? The receivers we have don’t suck, they just didn’t get that great of an opportunity to make catches. Favre knows this, too, as he was pretty pissed off after a few of the drives in the second half. Not because they weren’t doing what they were supposed to do, but because he wasn’t making throws that he should have. Expect this to change by next week…guaranteed!
You're right
He could have been more honest and said, you know what I should have flown up to Minny three weeks before I did and practiced with the sqad. I"m sure Childress would have let him throw for a couple of hours a day then filled up a kiddy pool with an umbrella for Brett to sit in for the rest of the day… Receivers…
Well you can make fun of Berrian…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Disappointed
Disappointed that our starting D-LINE got whipped by the saints O-LINE
R.EDWARDS 1tackle 0 ass. 0 sacks.
P.WILLIAMS 2 tackles 0 ass. 0 sacks.
K.WILLIAMS 0 tackles 1 ass. 0 sacks
J.ALLEN 3 tackles 1 ass. 0 sacks.
I expected the offense to struggle considering rice is out, harvin missed most of camp as did favre and sully,and even peterson missed significant camp with a bad hammy. berrian is not a #1 wideout, on to the dolphins.
Hey
There is nothing to be disappointed about. We have had a pretty good O-Line for a while. We have one of the better O-Lines in the NFL, and there should be no disappointment involved for how your D-Line played. I think their schemes were more of the problem than the line itself. Cheer up, you did get a sack on Brees in this game, and that can be pretty hard to do at times.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 10, 2010 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey guys, Lions fan here, cant sleep and I have run our blog dry of content, hell the whole internet for that matter
So I thought I would stop by and drop in some thoughts from a semi neutral observer.
Everyone is handing Green Bay the division. Do you guys think you will give them an honest run for it?
If Green Bay wins the division it is most likely that you will be competing with Atlanta and whoever the number two team in the NFC East is. I peg Atlanta for a 12-4 season and the 2nd place NFC east team for 11-5. Do you guys think you can hit that mark?
It seems to me like Favre did not have his heart into coming back and I am wondering if convincing him to come back is going to hurt the team more than help it?
Can Bernard Berrian catch a cold?
Do you guys think that Childress ego played into passing on T. J. Housyomama?
I noticed that Jared Allen got married in the off season and shaved his mullet. I also noticed that when Tom Brady got married his performance the next couple of years was sub par. Do you think Jared will have off field distractions that effect his focus and performance?
If the Vikings miss the playoff will Childress be replaced?
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Oh most important question of all! Who will win the Lions at Bears game on Sunday? LOL!
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
The Bears
because Cutler is going to throw no Ints and like… 5 TDs. My fantasy team demands it.
Bears fan here
Dude, you are actually using Cutler as your fantasy QB?
I mean, I am a Bears fan, but c’mon man, Cutler as your fantasy QB? IMHO there’s only one Bear fantasy worthy (Aromashodu) as a third wideout option on games when they are playing the Lions… perhaps Forte when one of your starting RB’s is on his bye week…
Cutler? Wow. Good luck with that.
With football insight like that...
You could be the next Peter King!
Yes, we will give Green Bay an honest run. We beat them twice last year on our way to winning the division. Handily.
No, the 2nd place tam in the NFC East will not go 11-5. Dallas? With that offensive line? I’ll put 20 bucks down today that you are out of your mind.
Does Brett Favre “Have his heart in coming back?” you understand that football is a mental and physical game, not a Sandra Bullock feature film.
Can Bernard Berrian Catch a Cold? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-5ZyeB6ns
Of course we passed on TJ Houshmanzadeh. Where would he fit into this offense? We’re building an NFL team, not a fantasy team. We’re covered for slot receivers, thanks, so yeah, we’ll take a pass on old man ponytail.
Tom Brady has only played one season since he was married in 2009. That season, he threw 4,400 Yds, 28 touchdowns, and was both a pro-bowl player and, the 2009 NFL comeback player of the year.
You could be on to something. Jared Allen probably won’t have that kind of passer rating.
And Brad Childress, who is coming off of his second division winning year, who has improved the team’s record every year since he’s been our coach. Yeah. He’s not going anywhere.
Listening to you and the rest of the media, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
whats up Vikes fans
I wanted to come by and say good defense and I think Visanthe Shiancoe is a complete stud. What a great player that guy is.
He hurt us bad on one of the early drives
in classic Shank fashion. But he made up for it by keeping us in the game with back-to-back huge catches.
Don't know....
I woke up this morning and reflected back on the game last night. I loved our defense and the fact we held NO to 14 points. I am very discouraged with our offense even though our O line played above my expectations. I think that the main thing is that Brett wasn’t ready and that bothers me. Frankly, I am ready to move on and give Webb a shot to learn in a season where we have a brutal schedule. Anyone else feel that way too after the game?
You’re not concerned about the inability to stop the run in the 2nd half? The running game of the New Orleans Saints? I mean, they’re not the Colts, but still! And the 14 point thing == although a great achievement, I will be the very first to say, I even posted here before the game I thought that might be impossible — even having said that, two missed field goals and/or a ball in end zone that should not have been dropped and it becomes 20 or 24 points. They certaily came close on those 3 missed conversions than anything we did all night.
But like I said, I think even keeping them to 20 would have been great, so I’m not sweating that. Bu back to the run thing, I’m hoping it’s just a case of having the linebackers et al having to shore up the secondary a lot, and that it will be a problem that disappears when Ced and Cook are back. But until then,
The running game of the New Orleans Saints? I mean, they’re not the Colts, but still!
I don’t get this…
We were the 6th best rushing team last year and we had 79 yds basically in the 2nd half alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Maybe I shouldn’t have put it that way. I think a lot of your yards last year may have been late after you got big leads, and I know I saw at least one game you palyed (was it the Bills?) where the other D basically played a lot of DBs and dared you to beat them with the run.
But rather than get caught up in the specifics of what I said, let me just say that our D’s bread and butter is supposed to be stopping the run. Even an above average running team. And I was more than a bit disappointed that in the second half you could suddenly run at will against us. I really meant this comment to be more about our vikings, not your Saints. Sorry if I offended.
not offended at all...
just was wondering about context (which is often the problem with internet discussions)
Your D is a great D. What I came away with was your head coach shooting your DC in the foot with his play calling. You could tell as the 2nd half rolled on that the Vikes front 7 was getting tired. Childress left them out to dry with his playcalling and abandoning the run.
We had the same issue in 2008 and it KILLED us. Payton learned from his mistake and committed to a more balanced offense. (Although I was afraid they were reverting back in for a second during the first half… 3 running plays does not a balanced attack make!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qais_eGMnWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39GH-nzrY_I&feature=relatde
Go back to bed
Brett will be fine his throws were right where they should be but the receivers wern’t. Give them some time to look at film and play another game and you will see a marked difference
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
by just another viking on Sep 10, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions
His throws were off!!
Even he admitted it! Look at throw to Camarillo that hit the ground. Brett had an opening and missed it and threw it in a very difficult place for anyone to catch it. That was a huge missed opportunity and I lay that on Brett…. Even the TD catch by Shank was thrown to a place where Shank had to make an unbelieveable play to catch it. It wasn’t that Brett threw it well.
Two reasons we lost. Brett and our offensive play calls.
Favre needs to be in bed by 9:00
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Sep 10, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
… with that sentiment. They should improve when they can get more in sync with time. The only questions are how good can they get without Sidney and how long will it take?
I reflected a little on this, and while I only saw 2 preseason games, I have to now really question holding so many starters out of the last preseason game. I know that is typically done by teams, but consider Favre wasn’t in the first game, and Camarillo has gotten very little time with Favre.
We looked shaky in our first two or three games last year, too, maybe because the chemistry took awhile to come together.
If I question one thing now, it is holding out all the starters in the fourth preseason game. Injuries, yeah that is an issue, but that offense last night did not look ready for prime time. Apart from the O-line, which was actually where I was most concerned.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
After one game?
Are you kidding? We almost won, against a top team on the road, I’m not ready to throw in the towel yet. We pay Favre a bunch of money not to sit on the bench.
by HammeroftheGods on Sep 10, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Ew, no
No no no. We did it with Jackson, and now everybody hates him. We better leave Webb on that bench for 3 or 4 years to let him gradually learn. I do NOT want to see him thrown to the wolves too early.
I don't know guys...
I am worried about Peterson and our teams age. The time is now or never so I am fully behind Favre. Unfortunately this little bird on my shoulder says to think about the future too.
by PurpleJesus on Sep 10, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I am ready to move on and give Webb a shot to learn in a season where we have a brutal schedule. Anyone else feel that way too after the game?
Not only is this
1) overreacting,
2) insane,
but I would also say
3) even if on the outside chance Webb >is< the QBOTF, I think you have just identified the most surefire formula to maximize the chance that such potential is never realized: “AlexSmithize” him, throw him in against tough teams (because they are tough!?!) so he can be overwhelmed and humiliated week in week out, until after last shred of self confidence is beaten out of him. Yay, let’s go!
by puddnhead on Sep 10, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
AP was killing them!
In the first then we ran him a whopping 6 times in the second half, he should have ended the game with 150 on the ground and a score.
It's not like Purple was down big
I dunno, I just watch the game, but I always figure you do something until they stop it. NO wasn’t stopping AP (and AP wasn’t fumbling), me, I think I would have stuck with that until they found a way to shut it down.
But what do I know?
Yeah, don't stop the only thing that's working.
I think AD could’ve won that game for us or at least given us a better chance.
by CanadianViking on Sep 10, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
They were running AP a lot at first. He didn’t get any big, explosive plays but he was efficient. But damn, a 5 point lead is not big enough to abandon the run and that’s what made me nervous. I figured, the more the Saints prevented him from getting that huge run, the more it increased his chances if actually getting one off. I was waiting for that one big run, but they quit giving him the ball. I don’t understand why, but I’m thankful. Heh.
Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it. ~Heywood Hale Brown
Something to be proud of.
Didn’t we hold the Saints to 9 yards rushing in the first half? Even though they killed us in the air the first quarter, that’s still pretty great.
We got away with what should have been a holding call, but they got away with a couple of pass interference non calls, in my opinion. Game changers?
I would like to see Webb as a WR. He is a play maker. Would that leave us without a third string QB, or can he switch roles when needed?
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
We held them to 9 yards
because they didn’t run. When they wanted to, you saw what happened.
by Frost on Sep 10, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
last night's game
One game does not make a season. What i noticed more than anything else was that bret favre was making rookie mistakes left and right. Did anyone else notice the defense seem to know where he was passing? That’s because he was signaling them. Not once did he look off the defensive player. He kept his eyes on the receiver from the time the ball snapped and the defense “KNEW” where he was going. They were keying on his eyes the whole game. To add insult to injury, once again he thinks he can throw into double coverage and get away with it. Once in awhile, maybe……..but bret is pushing the envelope and if he continues he’s going to have yet another high interception rate. AP looked pretty good and so the defense overall. So, why did they lose? Doesn’t take a whole lot to figure that one out. IMO…………………Favre did more to help them lose more than anything else. I’ve come to the conclusion he really is that arrogant that the TEAM revolves around him.
by jjlovesfootball on Sep 10, 2010 9:04 AM CDT reply actions
A lot of my predictions came true...
Just not necessarily in the way I wanted them to.
I predicted that this would likely be a low-scoring game. Assuming the Saints would be held to 14-17 points… 20-24 at best.
I predicted we would have a good drive or two killed by penalties, forcing us to punt. (i.e., holding, facemasks).
I want to say I think my reasoning for the low scoring was our defense looking good this year & our offense being short on offensive weapons and Favre’s little time he had to get adjusted to new receivers.
Now things to look forward too….
Return of injured players: Chris Cook, Cedric Griffen, & Toby Gerhart.
Favre getting timing w/ his receivers……. Routes being ran correctly, etc.
Yes, Saints came away with a win…. But, if we see them “again”, if I was a fan… I would be reallly flipp’n scared.
As that is said, I fear the Pack this year for that same reason. Two sweeps back-to-back years? That may be pretty hard… Defensively, we better play flawlessly.. And Favre better be on his toes. But we will see…
Did the Saints score 14 or -14?
I like your original -14 prediction. All we have to do is sneak in one of these ( – ) and we win!
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Sep 10, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Friends, relax---it's the first bloody' game
and the toughest possible assignment—-on opening night, against the defending champs, at their house. Contrast that with getting Cleveland and Detroit last year—-even Tarvaris could’ve QB’d this team to 2 easy victories there.
The obvious observation is that the Saints remain a very good team. Defense was solid—-held the #1 offense in the NFL to 14 pts, which is normally good enough to win.
Offense is gonna be the achilles’ heel this year. run-blocking was spotty, short passing game was decent but downfield game awfully rusty.
MUCH tougher first half of the season this year, but second half is easier. Gonna be harder to get one of the top 2 playoff seeds this year—-it says here they’re gonna come out of the NFC West and NFC East, this year.
Out-coached as much as out-played
No and I mean no adjustments in the 2nd half.
On the O, Saints took away Shank and the right side what did we do to combat this nada. PH is a slot receiver, don’t line him up wide. BB is hell I don’t know what. He looked better when Gus and TJ were throwing the ball to him. And Young is a joke. Did you see him fall down when he went into the line to block? Hope TG is better than this
On D the Saints saw as we did the JA was taking a wide rush on almost every play so all they had to do was crash down on K-Will and there would be a hole that anyone could run through. Where were the LB’s the secondary had to make all the tackles. Good thing they are a good tackling bunch or PT would have had some long TD runs.
by SouthernNorseman on Sep 10, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions
Saints..
Made a quick adjustment to Shank, so he would not be able to continue catching the ball downfield…
He was at the time a decent threat, utnil they put a different guy on him.
Allen must of felt he could of beat his guy on the outside, and continued to try…
Comment from a Bears fan.
All due respect to the gloom and doom of your crowd here, just one thought…
If you could trade your entire team’s personel and coaching staff for any other team in the NFC, who would that team be?
Looking at the Vikings, I would say about the only team you would possibly want to do that with would be the Saints.
OK, well, you lost to them at their house with a QB that hadn’t had any significant training camp. You lost to the team that won the Super Bowl last year and basically returns intact.
It isn’t like you lost to the Rams, the Lions or the Bears, teams not expected to be in the playoff hunt this year…
Suck it up, buttercup. If you lose four games this season and go 12-4, are you really going to be upset that this was one of those four? I think not.
Just my FYI.
The bottom line...
is Favre was rusty and he was last year too, no one remembers because they won. He was out of sync a little and was only 14 of 21 for 110 yds and a TD. Everything was short passes. If it wasn’t for AP dropping 180 yds on the lowly Browns, they may have lost that game. Cook and Griffen will be back in the next couple weeks. Favre will get synced up with his guys and I will bet you Camarillo will become his main guy. AP looked good, but Chilly stopped going to him or Favre did, that needs to be remedied. Bright spots: OL didn’t look half as crappy as I expected. The 3 corners still standing played ok. The run game was there, and Favre will only get better.
Last year:
Sep 13@ CLE 14/21 110 1 TD
Sep 20@ DET 23/27 155 2 TD
after that…well, we all know what happened.
DON’T PANIC!
by Runt of the Litter on Sep 10, 2010 10:02 AM CDT reply actions
All hands on deck...
Brad Childress is too damned dumb to do any of this, but I’ll let ’er fly anyway…
What I saw Thursday night was a punchless Vikings offense that wasn’t ready to play its first regular season game against a mediocre Saints defense. The defense was okay, but failed to intimidate Brees or his skill players. Here are a few moves that would help right this creaky Vikings ship.
1. Cut Bernard Berrian. He’s utterly useless. Washed up. Get Walker back.
2. Cut Albert Young. He’s a pretty good college running back. Not NFL quality.
3. Cut Tyrell Johnson and Madieu Williams. Passive safeties don’t belong in the NFL. When a runner gets past the linebackers, he should be met head-on by a guy going twice his speed the other way, not some mamby-pamby joker grabbing at his jersey.
4. Move Kenny Onatalu to safety. He’s as fast as Johnson, but he actually hits people. Play Abdullah or Sanford, depending on who hits hardest. Promote Colt Anderson.
5. Move Joe Webb to WR. Gotta have his talent on the field, this year.
6. Promote Ryan D’Imperio to fullback. He’s a football player!
7. Get Favre to throw more passes to Camarillo and Greg Lewis. I don’t care if Lewis is shy. Make him earn his paycheck.
Frankly, I don’t know if these simple, obvious moves will actually reinvigorate this shambles of a team, but it’s worth a try just to entertain the fans. They couldn’t even beat a very average looking Saints squad. How do they expect to beat anybody else now that defenses only need to stop two guys, Shianco and Peterson? And the run blocking for AP was virtually absent. No downfield blocking by any of the so-so WRs. I miss Chris Carter!
Despite Puddnhead's remark...
you make a TON of sense. I agree with nearly everything, though I’d be willing to give Young and Berrian a few more games to show that they’re not totally off-track.
Good ideas, jimbo55403, imho.
Let me get this right: You also want to cut four players, move two others to completely new positions, promote two guys fromt he practice sqaud (one of which doesn’t play the position of any guys you cut!) and then you would try to give orders Brett Favre about which players he should and should not throw passes to.
Okiedokie!
Ummmm
HUHHH?
- - Might see this coming true when Rice gets back – IF BB continues to downward spiral
- - The kid had what, 3 carries? Cut him based on 3 carries and 2 receptions.
- & #4 – Just because they hit hard does not mean that they are good. C’mon, your Secondary held us to 237 passing yards. Drew Brees has more passing yards from 2006-2010 that any other QB in any 4 year span of their career, holding him to 237 yards is pretty good, even if they were passive in doing so.
- - Joe Webb is not ready to be a WR in the NFL just yet, and bumping him about better options that are proven NFL talent, well, that is absurd.
- - You might be right on this one, but I think it is pretty far fetched considering that most of the time, if a back gets the ball in Minnie, it’s usually AP.
- - Having Favre throw the ball so much in this game is what really restricted your possibility of success.
Calling the Vikings a “shambles of a team” is about like saying Mark McGuire never juiced – completely untrue. I understand that your perception of the Saints is that we are beneath your caliber, but the SB Championship hanging on our wall, and the last two meetings we have faced you should put an end to that notion. You take this very personal and believe that the Saints have a “Mediocre” defense. That really isn’t the case. We have a very talented group of guys, and we have really shown that. As far as intimidating Brees, well, that really doesn’t happen. Also, stop and think that while you had the best D-line last year, we had one of the best O-lines in the league, and have for a couple of years now. The moves you suggest are neither simple, or obvious, they are more along the lines of unecessary and horrific. Before hitting the panic button and scrubbing your entire team, give them a chance to improve with the players that they have. If the Vikes made the moves you suggest before their next game, they would get laughed out of the stadium by halftime due to the lack of Viking ability left on the field. Give the guys a chance before throwing them overboard.
Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted
by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 11, 2010 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
The Running Game/Play Calling
Is where we lost this. Peterson was running well, and we took him out of it, not the Saints D. Several 3 and outs for the offense and our D was on the field for far too long in the 2nd half.
Also, the Saints did a good job of mixing up their run/pass plays in the 2nd half and had our D utterly confused for the most part. I think Childress/Bevel would have had a hard time mixing up drinks last night.
The Minnesota Vikings - Undefeated in the Playoffs at Lambeau Field!
Troubles only getting larger for Vikes
Plenty of blame to go around (once again) but this time there were no improvements in the reasons why? The coaching is dismal especially in offensive play calling? Are they even watching the game? Oh well, first we still need an offense that can carry off any resemblance of play, regardless of who called it !!!
they are getting larger, really?
Do you realize that we just held the Superbowl Champions, playing at home, to their second lowest offensive point total * that they had in the last two years (36 games)?
We need to get better. But is the sky really falling? Puhleeease!
- I’m not counting the wk17 game last year where they sat most of their starters because they already had #1 seed locked.
I think it's pretty obvious
that we held them so low because they were rusty too. Sure our defense held up decently but I’d not get that carried away. In case you didn’t notice, we didn’t score all that great ourselves. ;)
Hard fought game, tough loss for you guys.
Chemistry on O will improve, your D is stout as always. Look forward to hopefully seeing you guys come the post season. Best of luck.
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