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The NFC North Nightmare Continues

I've been pretty quiet around these parts since the 2010 season mercifully came to an end for the Vikings. While my output was naturally bound to dwindle since it is the offseason and all, I've half-avoided posting here for the last few weeks due to three main reasons:

  1. I've been really busy at work. I know, lame excuse, but fellow computer nerds know that the weeks leading up to a big software release aren't exactly a fun time.
  2. Every time I'm about to post a newsworthy item and my opinion about said item, one of my co-writers has already beaten me to the punch. This isn't a complaint at all--as Ron Burgundy said to Baxter after he pooped in the refrigerator and ate the whole wheel of cheese, "I'm not even mad; I'm impressed!" My colleagues are no joke, people. If you want dibs on a story here, you best be on top of your Twitter game.
  3. While we're wallowing in sorrow over another season gone by the wayside, one of our two biggest rivals is guaranteed a spot in this year's Super Bowl.

Yeah, it's mostly because of that last one. It's hard to write about your favorite team when the two teams you hate the most are still gleefully pillaging through he playoffs. I saw Green Bay vs. Chicago coming as soon as the Seahawks beat the Saints--I even tweeted it a couple weeks ago--but it doesn't make it any easier on us Viking fans. I'd rather drink a liter of hot tub water from the Jersey Shore house than listen to another Bears or (especially) Packers fan gloat about how their team is just one step away from the Super Bowl.

No doubt most of you know plenty of Packers or Bears fans that have been completely insufferable this season. It sucks. There's no getting around it--both teams were much better than the Vikings in 2010. We should probably just sit idly by and take our lumps from the Cheeseheads and Da Ditkas until next year. But that's just not my style. Instead, allow me to extend a metaphorical middle finger to each team and tell their fans why they should shut up.

Let's start in Chicago.

Star-divide

Hey, Bears fans--you realize that the 2010 Bears are one of the luckiest teams of all time, right? It's easy to root for a team with a horseshoe all the way up its ass. Need proof? It started with the first game when the referees gift-wrapped a W for you by inexplicably nullifying a late, go-ahead Calvin Johnson touchdown.

(Side rant: Why does the NFL consider it a TD if a runner so much as sneezes on the goal line, yet a receiver has to catch the ball, get two feet in, maintain control throughout the play, and provide two forms of ID with a notarized middle school report card before it's legit? How does that make sense?)

But oh no, it didn't stop there for the Bears. When Chicago hosted Green Bay in Week 3, Chicago barely escaped with a win even though the refs threw roughly 264 flags against the Pack. They needed yet another bad call to get past Detroit again in Week 13.

You know what though? Throw those games out, Bears fans. You still won those games fair and square. (Well, at least the "square" part.) The refs don't decide games; players decide games, right? But guess what--the Bears lucked out in that respect too! Do you know how many times Chicago faced backup quarterbacks this year? SIX! It's easy to go 12-5 with a third place schedule facing the likes of Shaun Hill, Jimmy Clausen, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Tyler Thigpen, Drew Stanton, and Joe Webb.

Even with all this good fortune, the mighty Bears have exactly three wins against winning teams this season including the playoffs. Forgive me if I'm not worshiping at the altar of Cutler & Urlacher yet.

Now as for you Packers fans...

Dammit. Fine. I'll admit it. Aaron Rodgers is really freaking good. His game against Atlanta last week was ridiculous. I even secretly dig the "championship belt" celebration thing.

It must be rough to waltz through life always knowing you have an elite quarterback. For the past 20 years, the Packers have had only two quarterbacks lead their team--Favre and Rodgers. Meanwhile, let's look at the laundry list of has-beens and never-wases Minnesota has had the luxury of trotting out at quarterback during that time:

Rich Gannon, Sean Salisbury, Jim McMahon, Warren Moon, Brad Johnson, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Daunte Culpepper, Spergon Wynn, Todd Bouman, Gus Frerotte, Brad Johnson again, Tarvaris Jackson, Kelly Holcomb, Brooks Bollinger, Brett Favre, and Joe Webb.

If anything, Packers fans should be ashamed they only have one championship (or heaven forbid, two after this year) while enjoying that kind of continuity.

And yes, Green Bay's defense is pretty good too. Tramon Williams has been Tramondous this postseason. The girlish hair and I'm-totally-sure-he-gained-all-that-muscle-naturally-at-USC body of Clay Matthews has been all over the place lately.

So enjoy it while it lasts, Cheeseheads. Just hope that your team isn't trailing at any time in the fourth quarter from here on out, because we all know how good Rodgers is at fourth quarter comebacks.

Whew. I feel a little better now.

Hatred for our fellow NFC North teams aside, it shouldn't be all sour grapes in Viking Land these days. Like Skol Girl touched on earlier, we still have amazing, resilient fans. Leslie Frazier seems to be assembling one heck of a coaching staff--I have approved of each move so far, and it sounds like most Vikings fans agree. Brett Favre just might be crying retirement wolf for the last time. We're still three months away from the draft, and I'm already getting excited about a 2011 season that may or may not even happen.

Nobody sells hope better than the NFL. Even after the atrocious season we had, you better believe I'm still buying.

My official picks have been on hiatus for a while, but I suppose I should give my two cents on the championship games. Since, you know, I totally dominated the Daily Norseman Pickem league. (I won the outright picks by 3 games and the confidence picks by 16 points...hmm, I wonder why Chris hasn't posted anything about my glorious victory yet.)

Packers over BEARS: Only because "PLEASE GOD ANYONE BUT THESE TWO TEAMS" wasn't an option. The Packers are better, so I'll pick them. Let's move on while I can still fight the urge to jump from the new 35W bridge.

STEELERS over Jets: I honestly have no idea who's going to win this game. The Steelers offensive line is beat up, but Ben Roethlisberger can avoid the rush like he avoids court cases. Mark Sanchez sucks for 80% of most games, yet he comes up with one or two clutch throws when he needs them. Pittsburgh doesn't lose when Troy Polamalu is playing, but he looked pretty awful last week. The Jets defense shut down the Patriots last week, but I fear they may have used all their emotion on that game. So yeah, I have no freaking clue. If the Packers win the early game, be sure to bet tons of money on the Jets, because I almost always go .500 with my picks on each weekend of the playoffs. I don't care for either team whatsoever, but the winner of this game will have my allegiance for exactly two weeks. Go AFC!!

Last week: 3-1
Playoffs: 5-3

Regular season: 166-90

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Black and Gold! GO STEELERS!

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 20, 2011 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Steelers In Super Bowl Makes A Bad Situation Worse

Bad enough that I have to see the hated Packers or Bears make it to the Super Bowl, but I don’t want to have to cheer for Big Ben Ruthlessraper, or be on the same side as the Steelers’ loud and annoying fans.

So, I’m stuck with the J-E-T-S JETS! JETS! JETS! Their coach may be a deviant, but he wasn’t hurting anyone.

/Yeah, I called Rex Ryan a deviant. I really don’t get foot fetishes.

by Midnight Rambler on Jan 20, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to admit...

I LIKE Rex Ryan. Now as for the Jets players? Majority I dislike. That said, I like Ryan’s brash talk- it’s always funny, dirty, and yet, he never really crosses that line. It’s personal, but it’s personal about FOOTBALL. He mocks Tom Brady by comparing him to Peyton Manning, but he doesn’t call him an a-hole, whether he is or not. And I did like how he took the fall for the 45-3 loss to the Pats, rather than blame any part or person on his team- to me, that’s solid leadership, and the Jets players responded (and even confirmed that was a large part of their motivation after the game).

Again- I’m not (NOT) a fan of their team; I don’t like the majority of their arrogant, cocky, and childish players, and their fans annoy the living crap outta me (everytime I’m at a sports bar and there’s a Jets game on, it sounds like a spelling bee for retards is happening. Seriously, pick a better cheer.). That said, I just can’t root for the Bears or the Packers (well, I’ll root for the Bears this game, cuz I hate them less and feel they have less of a shot to get the Lombardi), and I can’t root for the Fightin’ Rapists… so, screw it, go Jets!

by KJSegall on Jan 20, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You "like" rex ryan?

Fail.

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Jan 20, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

in a post season full of suck

He is the least suckiest option.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I will NEVER root for the Steelers

I may not have been born yet, but I hold grudge against them (for the same reason I hate the Raiders, Queefs & Dolphins). Go Jets.

Now that Brad Childress is gone, the BCS needs to follow.

by Td1984 on Jan 21, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The meteor has troubling getting a pass rush

"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin

by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 20, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoping for

a meteor to come flying into the playing surface of Soldier Field causing the cancellation of the game and the rest of the season therefore negating any Bears/Packers scenario in the Super Bowl.

But sadly, like any hope I had of the Vikings making it into the playoffs this past season, that too is a pipe dream bursting worse then a frozen pipe with 2000 PSI of water backed up behind it.

New coach, new coaching staff, new starting QB. All we need now is a new stadium and all will be well in 2011.

by VikesFaninNM on Jan 20, 2011 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

I hate the Bears and all, but this isn't even the luckiest Bears team ever

Or have we forgotten the Mike Brown Bears of 2006 who Forrest Gump’d themselves all the way to the Super Bowl?

by Midnight Rambler on Jan 20, 2011 3:20 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Good point

But at least that Bears team had to take advantage of their lucky bounces. This Bears team is just getting things gift wrapped for them.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 20, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

you beat me to it. 06 bears was the luckiest team of all time

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Jan 20, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

you could argue the '06 Colts were the luckiest

poor Peyton Manning might not have a ring had the NFC represented in that SB

by DM_Purp on Jan 20, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to root for Rex Ryan and the jets

I have no other reason than the fact that Rex Ryan was the DC at my Alma mater for one season.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Jan 20, 2011 3:56 PM CST reply actions  

You forgot one Packer QB

Matt Flynn did start one game in that time span you are talking about (against the Pats this year).

by PackApologist on Jan 20, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions  

I said "lead their team"

I realize Flynn got a spot start…but c’mon.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 20, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Oop.

Probably better that you don’t read anymore comments below…

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Spergon Wynn and Todd Bouman

didn’t really “lead the Vikes” either.

by agwbl on Jan 21, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

But they started multiple games

Which is much more horrific than Flynn getting a spot start.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 21, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

especially since

Flynn actually looked pretty good

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

This is the worst case scenario for me

I dislike the Jets. I dislike the Steelers. I dislike the Packers, and I dislike the Bears. Of those four… I don’t even know who to pick. I guess I will root for the Bears, because if the Pack make it to the SB there’s a chance they will win. And I would rather see the Jets go to the SB than to see the Steelers in there 3 times in the last 7ish years.

So Jets vs Bears SB here we, hopefully, come? With the Jets winning.. I guess.

by Frost on Jan 20, 2011 4:20 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed

The four teams left are my top 4 most hated teams list
1. Packers
2. Bears
3. Jets (they are just a sleazy and classless organization)
4. Steelers (Ruthlessraper and I think Hines Ward is a prick, plus I’m kind of a closet Ravens fan)

"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin

by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 20, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You beat me to it...

even though Cushing actually did test positive, while I don’t think Matthews has (yet).

by Dom Q on Jan 20, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Correct

I’m making sweeping, irresponsible allegations. Just because his teammate and fellow USC linebacker teammate got busted doesn’t mean Matthews is guilty by association…but the whole point was for me to get Packers fans upset :)

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 20, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Meh...

… I understand the suspicion, but I went from 145 my senior year in high school to 210 by the time I was 24 without supplements, and I didn’t have access to a world class training facility like the one at USC. It happens sometimes. It’s not like this is baseball in the 90’s and early 00’s. They test in the NFL, so until folks come back positive or otherwise get caught, I give them the benefit of the doubt.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny

I was 165 my senior year of high school, and I was 200 two years after college. A lot of it was muscle, but I trained the natural way as well—with lots of beer! :)

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 20, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

… I didn’t mean to imply that my added weight was all muscle either.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

That's right Ted

Tho a athlete The best shape of my life was when I was 35 yrs old. I just got over a divorce and spent my time in the gym (trying to impress chicks) Anyway I busted out of a strong 190 5-7 frame into a lean but buff 147 lb power machine.
I didn’t use suppliments and my muscle build was pretty impressve. I could bench 290 lbs at 147 lbs 3 times. I know guys do more but consider my hight and weight.
Doctors today say the only explanation for me being able to walk was that I was strong for my years of age.
Kinda like the people who see a girl with “big-uns” “Oh, she had surgery.”
I dated many well endowed girls and not one had surgery.
Point is – not every mucle bound guy is on steroids. They have training methods and work harder.
If ya want, and I won’t name anyone. I saw a Viking 2nd year player last year in camp that I sw the year B4. Transition in muscle bulk -unreal! Was it hard work or the juice?
Don’t judge all these guys because of the idiots. Hard work will build muscle even without steroids

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on Jan 20, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to see a Jets-Packers Superbowl...

… because I think it’ll be the most entertaining – and if I’m staying up until 3am on a Monday morning to watch the game live, I’d best be entertained!!!

If I’m being pragmatic though, I’m hoping the Bears get to the Superbowl and lose. I think the Packers are building their team with some real ability, and I don’t think a few places in the draft will affect them. The Bears on the other hand (I think) are on the verge of ageing and ageing badly so having them pick one from the bottom of each round appeals! Especially if another team decides to take Mike Tice and give him a better job…

by ViolentSilence on Jan 20, 2011 6:11 PM CST reply actions  

Completely agree on your read of the Bears.

And Eric’s right, they’ve gotten a ton of breaks this year. They’re a very solid team and they match up well against the Packers, but it’s highly unlikely they’ll catch breaks like these again anytime soon.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

My hopes for the game...

… a close hard fought Packer victory with Rodgers 3rd concussion of the season in the late 4th, followed by a 30 point drubbing in the Super Bowl to the Steelers.

Go Nevada Wolf Pack!

by BacksThePack on Jan 20, 2011 6:18 PM CST reply actions  

I dislike Hines Ward and Ben Roethlisberger

but I have all the respect in the world for Mike Tomlin. For that reason I am a Steelers fan for the rest of the season. BTW, I did a double-take at your handle until I read the Wolf Pack part.

by Dom Q on Jan 20, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

joeybal56 and a rec to ET

@joeybal56: Note that the Vikings were in the 2009 NFC Championship, so your comment doesn’t hold that much water. Where were the bears & packers that year? So, I don’t feel so bad about talking bad about them this year. I want the bears to win more than the Pukers! Jets to win the Super Bowl! The reasoning is that I don’t want the short memories of the bears and Puker fans to have anything more to talk crap about. I didn’t talk crap on their boards in 2009, they can stay off of ours this year!

And Eric, a rec for this article! I think you have articulated what most Vikings fans feel this year about the “playoffs”.

by Vikes Rule on Jan 20, 2011 6:22 PM CST reply actions  

Also to joeybal56

There is no such NFL team as the “Queens” or the “Viqueens,” and there sure as hell isn’t a team by that name that exists on this blog.

And yes, I realize that one of our Viking fans referred to Green Bay as the “Pukers.” I also don’t care.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 20, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I have friend who is a Pack fan and had to set him in his place-as a friend

He knew a few of his friends on facebook are Vikings fans and referred to them as the “Viqueers” Now this in part didn’t bug me and more than the names I use in jest to him about the Packers. (won’t get into those now)
I had to explain to him that my daughter and son-in-law are in a business where a lot of their friends and clients are gay. Those people get those little posts and many don’t follow football.
I don’t like name calling but will resort at times -in fun, But, in that context it was being flashed to people of sensitivities. Now I am an old man and not PC or “all understanding” of some things these days. This was embarrassing to my daughter who’s friends wondered if her Dad associated with some hate group.
Let’s have some sensibility and responsibility.
I may have some Packer nicknames her but certainly never use them on a Packer site as when I visit, it is in fun and not a format to insult.
Enough about that. Careful what your “funny names” are. Refrain from using them when visiting a site. Best rule of edicate I can think of.

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by CitrusFLViking on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

My hopes for the game...

Would you add a sideline trip for Clay Mathews (lost for season) and then a fall after a helmet to helmet by T. Williams (lost for season)…

by Vikes Rule on Jan 20, 2011 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

Jesus, seriously? Might be a little much..

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 20, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

well it's not quite as bad as the meteor hitting the stadium and making the NFC north a two team race

But it is a bit more likely I guess.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Then get off our site.

This is a Vikings fan site. It wonders me why your are even trolling over here anyways.

SKOL VIKINGS!!!! Go Spurs Go!!!! Go Cubbies!!! Hook Em' Horns!!!!

by Mr.Cub22 on Jan 22, 2011 10:37 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Wishing other teams injuries reveals your lack of integrity

Let’s be classy Vikes fans. All I want to see is Rodgers lead a come from behind victory! But if he plays like he did in ATL that won’t be necessary : (

by solafide on Jan 21, 2011 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

i think i speak for a lot of Vike fans when i say

i think we’re still a little desensitized about speaking of injuries on other teams after the NFCCG last year and the “who dat? how’s your ankle feel favre? HAHA” crap we heard all offseason. On behalf of Vikings everywhere, i would say no one intentionally wants anyone to get seriously injured. That was an interesting point by BacksthePack though. Aaron Rodgers having his TEAM put him back out there w/ his 2nd concussion in less than 4 months. Almost like they’re asking him to end his career early.

by DM_Purp on Jan 21, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you seriously suggesting

as a fan that you would want your team to bench your starting (top-5) QB for his own benefit when the NFL policy and doctors do not require it? If so, you are a better man than me.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

You’ve gotta be kidding. There is a guideline that they’ve put in place for concussions, and he passed all the requirements for that guideline. Of course he’s going to play.

And to play devil’s advocate a bit -- how smart is it to play a kid who frequently gets migraines week in and week out?

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Since we're the Vikings he's brave

Since Rodgers is the Pack he’s an idiot. C’mon man…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically....

… the Packers have had 4 starting QBs for the last 20 years.

Majkowski in 1991 and part of 92
Favre until 2008
Rodgers 2008-2010
Matt Flynn against the Patriots…

But that probably doesn’t help.

I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. One of the Packers or Bears is guaranteed to lose this Sunday, and the winner has the chance for the soul-crushing experience of a SuperBowl Loss. As a Packer fan, I don’t care to experience a repeat of the loss to Denver in Jan. 1998, thanks.

How’s that for a glass is half full angle?

(Go Pack!)

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2011 7:11 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for trying

But you’re right, it didn’t help.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 20, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You got me thinking about history...

Looking back at the Vikings QB’s made me realize a couple of things though. Look at the last 20 years of Bears QB’s even worse…

It also made me thin. Even with those stinkers we’ve done okay the last 20 years. Here’s a couple of nuggets.

Let the Bears fans celebrate, this is a rare occurrence for them. If they really give you grief remind them that (feel free to steal this Packer backers), in the last 20 years the Bears and Lions have made the playoffs the same number of times. 6. The Bears nearly have as many losing season in just the last 20 years (12) as the Vikings do in their 50 year history (13).

Finally for the Packers enjoy the run while it lasts since you are all such history buffs as well if you are old enough to remember non-Favre SB’s you are always bragging about you are old enough to remember the two decade long (non-strike year) playoff drought.

by d_fens on Jan 21, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey I grew up in the 80's so I know what you are talking about

I remember just hoping the Packers were going to make the playoffs.

That sense of history is why I’ll get really excited if they make the SB. It really does make a franchise and fanboys(and girls) who don’t get how special it is or take it for granted just show they don’t get it.

All of us in the NFC North have suffered through some kind of drought in our team’s history. But those times wandering through the wasteland make the great seasons so much sweeter.

by PackApologist on Jan 21, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm almost 50

I remember the tailend of the glory years, then 20 years of sucktitude and now a decent 20 year run I want a SB so bad but even more I want a team to be real competitve year after year. I’m sure well do that at least short term (next 4-5 years) but you never know. I did not expect the dynamo Viking fans expected of there team but there’s no way I expected you guys to drop off the map the way your season did. Gotta admit 13 losing seasons in 50 years is pretty good.

by the yooper on Jan 21, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that edge was WAY closer than I'm pretty sure anyone thought

but that’s what happens when you lose your QB and your head coach is such an idiot he won’t get a decent back up.

As well it hurts when Childress kept on trying to stuff round object into square holes…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm rooting for: the Bears to beat the Packers...

but Cutler, Urlacher, and Forte all get injured and are unable to play in the Subpar Bowl.

Is that rivalry-hatred enough?

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 20, 2011 7:13 PM CST reply actions  

Common Man! This is not what WE (true fans ) are about

I’m not playing the seniority card but, we don’t do that here. I would wish anyone of those guys hurt than someone wishing that on AD
You’ve been here since OCT ! Most of us oldies take pride in our sportsmanship – DON’T F IT UP !.

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by CitrusFLViking on Jan 20, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

In the words of Gen Lee to Gen Stewert in the mvie Gettysburg -

“Mistakes have been made. Let us learn from them as a man does and speak no more of this”

I enjoy our visitors and despise the trolls ( I agree with the above description) Let’s discuss and be friends. We are a community of fans. I enjoy that and hate to see this bickering. It is nothing.
Again-injury wishers are not the majority of fans here. I can assure you!
I have lost it at times and it is not worth it. Discuss and have fun. Most of us respect that. Those that can’t be cival (as one of you guys told me on a short visit to your site) ignore them and defend a proper visit. The dirtballs will fall by the wayside when the eal fans have good discussions.
God Bless and Skol Vikings.
As far as who wins ? Remember, 3 of 4 NFC title teams the last 2 years have been fron the NFC North. The division ignored by the East loving media. So win us a Super Bowl and it makes us all better. Sure, we had a bad season. It hurts but when you look at our schedule and that 2 of our rivals made the NFC title game. Well-we better step it up!

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by CitrusFLViking on Jan 20, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I was not being serious

I was saying there’s no way in the Abyss I’d root for either team, ever. Even with a gun to my head.

The question was raised, “Which team would you rather have win.” Well, if I HAVE to answer, that’s the only way I could. I’m not going to hope for a good result from either team, ever.

That’s why it’s a rivalry.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 21, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Jets

At least it is not Dallas. (Saying bye to BF and Bevell and Chilli and Dallas tanking are the only good things to happen this year.)
I don’t lke BEARS or PACK but I would like to see TICE ane CHESTER T go so BEARS
I like Tomlin so STEELERS
Because I prefer BEARS and STEELERS it will probably be PACKERS and JETS
Please JETS please

by ZygiZag on Jan 20, 2011 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

You know what I didn't think abotu Tice and CT getting a ring.

Thanks man that gives me a team to root for. Although honestly I think they have about a 10% chance of pulling it off…

Peppers better go crazy is all I can say.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m rooting for Chester Taylor.

Just him.

by CaptainBryan on Jan 20, 2011 7:42 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Joeybal56

All I said was the Bears & Packers are the only two super bowl winners in the NFC North. My reference to the Drama Queens was to the Thompson & Glover not to your team.

by joeybal56 on Jan 20, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

Injuries

Note that the mention of injuries to players of our rival NFL teams is to be treated by other teams fans as light-hearted banter and not to be taken seriously. We don’t really want actual harm to come to any player.

But you rival fans must remember that us Viking fans lived all year with rival fans coming to OUR board and “laughing” at the injuries to Farve and his lack of performance from some of them. Don’t play in our kitchen and expect not to be “burnt”!

by Vikes Rule on Jan 20, 2011 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

Nah, that was different

That was Brett Favre, so he totally deserved it and stuff.

And because they’re fans of a team that’s won a Super Bowl in the past or something, we’re just supposed to shut up and take it like a bunch of little bitches.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 20, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

And because they’re fans of a team that’s won a Super Bowl in the past or something, we’re just supposed to shut up and take it like a bunch of little bitches.

I just don’t understand where you’re getting this from. When did any of us say or imply that all you Vikings fans should simply just “bow” down to us? And by “us”, I mean the Packers fans who come on this board and talk.

If anything, I’d say Vikings fans expected us to bow down to them before the season started simply because of the season you had in 2009. We cited Rodgers, and a hopefully improved defense due to another year of experience in the current system as reasons why we could win the NFC North and over take the Vikings, and were basically laughed at for doing so. I mean honestly, I can’t remember how many times I was told on here that our defense “hadn’t made any changes” and that “thinking they’d be better simply because of experience was silly”.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 20, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly I didn't think your defense had made that many changes

other then you being in it for another year. You had a bunch of injuries and honestly you had some back ups play pretty lights out for you this year. I thought you line would be a bigger issue as well, but keeping Rodgers in that one step drop back is paying off huge dividends. Now. I wouldn’t go around espousing that the Pack is the best team in the NFL right now (I honestly think its the Pats) but you do have a lot going for you. However every once in a while you’ll pull a game which makes me wonder if your team is as really well put together as it seems to be.

Anyway you’re on a Vike site so you’re going to have to suck it up a bit on the unsavory banter.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Nah

“Anyway you’re on a Vike site so you’re going to have to suck it up a bit on the unsavory banter.”

I think I may actually petition SB Nation to change the color scheme here to green and yellow and see if we can’t get the name changed to “The Daily Packer.”

You know. . .wouldn’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings or anything.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 21, 2011 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

lol! That would be the politically correct option! Honestly, the Packer site must be that BORING, that they feel the need to come over here and address our “unsavory bantor”

by solafide on Jan 21, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

There's nothing wrong with APC

Certainly nothing wrong with the people in charge, in any case.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 21, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I certainly agree, I love their site. I only really check their game threads to see them whine when something bad happens, it’s very entertaining. I can count on 1 hand the number of times I’ve posted there if any.

by solafide on Jan 21, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

how can we change your mind

and get you to post at APC?

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by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd personally prefer we keep it purple and gold.

but I may be a minority.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I second your motion...

…and I continue to laugh at fans of other teams who come to this site to ‘set us straight’
because nobody knows a Vikings fan… like… fans of another team!

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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 22, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, we did move Matthews to the left side, opposite of Jenkins on the right side. As well as switching Raji to NT, and Pickett to DE. A lot of us felt that it would help our pass rush out quite a bit, and in my opinion it did. Not like that’s a whole bunch of changes but they were ones that definitely put some guys in better position to excel in the scheme.

And just to be clear, I think the Pats were probably the best team in the playoffs as well. I was jumping for joy when we lost, because I think we can beat all the remaining teams in the playoffs. Assuming we keep playing mistake free football, which is kind of a risky assumption on my part.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah you did make some position changes and I agree that i thought some would pay off

However, your secondary was pretty banged up and some of it was kinda old. Your O line had a new guy Baluga (or whatever) but he wasn’t going to start which made me wonder a bit. Anywya I think we both understand where we are coming from. Trust me, every time we do anything my spirits rise and I’m like THAT"S THE MOVE THAT’S GOING TO DO IT!!! (like firing childress) but when I tell everyone else that McKinney is wearing Nikes instead of Adidas to train in no one else tends to get excited. Especially when I tell them that McKinney’s training involves eating ho ho’s on a couch while dreaming about the love boat.. (did I really just say eating ho ho’s?)

anyway good luck to ya

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I get where you’re coming from. Thanks!

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Just you guys being on our board right now

is like rubbing it in our faces. You wonder why some Vikings fans get upset? I never go over to the GB or Bears sites. You guys practically live on our site. To me, either you are not well liked over on your own site or you are over here to gloat. You may not be classic trolls, but trolls you are.

by bf4mvp on Jan 21, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't go on your site very often but,

Before the season and until it was obvious your season went in the tank ACME was lit up with Viking fans. If you guys had a better season I’m sure I would have been over here a lot more. I haven’t been here because I don’t want to rub it in your faces I’m more than satisfied withappreciating how are season has gone. I’m sure there are Packer backers that are obnoxious the few times I have been on your site I haven’t seen it. But, it suprises me how one of your editors or whatever they are called attacks Packer fans, I can see some bloggers doing it, but the editor, that’s weird.

by the yooper on Jan 21, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Good to see that somebody gets it.

I have 1. . .one. . .lifetime comment at APC. Not because I don’t think Mitchell and Brandon are great and don’t think that they do a good job, because they are and they do. I don’t like the Green Bay Packers. I don’t respect the Green Bay Packers. I never have, and I most likely never will. Why on earth would I go over to their site to express that and whine about how they do things over there?

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 21, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, that explains a lot ...

I don’t like the Vikings, but I sure as hell respect the franchise and the players. I like keeping tabs on what’s going on around the NFC North with our major rivals, and you guys have a better knowledge than I do about your team. And I don’t see rooting for another team as some kind of character flaw.

by jglowack on Jan 22, 2011 9:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Rub what in your faces? And I guess I can’t speak for the other Packers guys that come here, but I hardly “live” here. I just recently started coming here more (mostly to keep up with who you guys have been hiring, and what guys think about the upcoming draft.). But prior to maybe last week, I rarely had come over here, aside from probably the two times we played.

And the reason I even signed up for this board in the first place was because APC didn’t always have a whole lot of activity when I initially signed up. This board did, and I had lived in MN for a large part of my life, and kept up with the Vikings. So, I figured I’d be able to hold a conversation with you guys, and also thought it’d be nice to talk to some Vikings fans aside from my friends who never had much more to say then OMG Packers Suckzzz!

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure your board is lighting it up now.

I tend not to go over there much unless it’s in the off season to see what you guys are planning. It’s always interesting talking sports with intelligent people. Sometimes it’s fun to talk with idiots too! not that your an idiot…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, the board has become much more active this season, which is why I haven’t been over here as much.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Was weird even last year when you all were doing well your board never really

took off like DN. Albiet we had Favre and that brought out a lot of creepers.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet on the week of the NFCCG,

which your team is in, you are here crying about what some Vikings fans are saying on their on Vikings site. I have to believe there are probably some Bears fans that would love to get into a good football discussion with you. And since they are still playing, it would be a little less… um, rubbing it in their faces.

by bf4mvp on Jan 21, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m hardly crying. Too me, wishing injuries on players is classless and dirty, no matter where it’s said. We’re ultimately human being after all.

Again, not sure where I rubbed anything in anyone’s faces.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Congrats on the Pickem' victory...

…I was closing on you late but ran out of time. Would have liked to have that 18 game season this year!

Great post. Got your point across very well without starting a freakin; fire! I like the ability to be honest yet not start a holy war!

As for Rodgers, I have to admit he might be on a path to being the best ever. The passer ratings he puts up consistently are unreal. I only hope we can put together a team with this coaching staff that makes the NFC an outright war!

by PurpleJesus on Jan 20, 2011 9:32 PM CST reply actions  

SCREW the Teams in the Playoffs!

GO BULLS! D.Rose for MVP!

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 20, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

Actually, I don't care who gets in...I'll just root for good commercials! : )

Anyway, great article, Eric. Even though the Pack and da Bears are playing for the NFC crown, they would do well to remember that the Vikes were there just one short year ago. Things change from year to year – a few good moves and the Vikes are right back in the hunt! I like the coaching staff Frazier’s assembling and feel good about the draft, so bring on 2011 (if there’s a season!)!!

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 20, 2011 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

I will say this

I think the Pack have a good chance of being there for a while. Looks like they have some serious play makers on both side of the ball and they are a young team across the board.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you...

what I meant was that you just never know what will happen over the course of a typical NFL season. Seattle, Chicago and Arizona all made the Super Bowl but couldn’t return the next year. Heck, I was so pumped for this season and, well… there’s no reason to go there!

Anyway, wish luck to both teams and just letting them know that we’ll be back in 2011!

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by SoDakHmr on Jan 21, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Things chance fast in this league.

We will be playing a 4th place schedule instead of a 1st. We can cut our loses with some just plain crappy players. Good bye Bernard & Madieu. Better coaching & with a few good moves we can be right back in the hunt. At least the draft should be interesting to see which way we go.

by iowaron on Jan 21, 2011 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

Go Jets!

Just out of spite, I’d like to see Mark Sanchez win a Super Bowl while playing mostly lousy QB. I’d like to see him win the championship on a pass that bounces off the chest of a cornerback who could have run it all the way back, but instead deflects into the hands of a guy that wasn’t even supposed to be in that area. Touchdown, you lucky bastards!

In fact, I hope the Super Bowl is a boring game with a dozen false starts and numerous challenges that last ten minutes each. May the commercials be far more interesting than the game. Maybe then the NFL won’t be so eager to lock the players out next season.

by jimbo55403 on Jan 21, 2011 1:23 AM CST reply actions  

I just think that for the NFC Champ., we need to

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by Ted Glover on Jan 21, 2011 7:39 AM CST reply actions  

Hell Yeah!!!

…but Ted this isn’t politically correct. So I’m contacting the ACLU on behalf of the Bears and Packers fans, especially the Packers fans of late who have come here and felt violated by our viscous rhetoric. I apologize my friend, lawsuit inbound : )

by solafide on Jan 21, 2011 7:49 AM CST up reply actions  

See, this is why I don't get why there has to be a 50 comment exchange about why Packer fans come here....

… I personally find APC a little dull.

This comment above? NOT DULL.

I come here because I hate the Vikings, I believe in knowing your enemy (and this is good place for Viking news and talk that I find educational), and I like a lot of the writing.

So sue me.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 21, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

but Ted...

you roll with it and we roll with you…

Some think this site is a akin to a college classroom. Where we have to respect everyone’s contribution and understand their feelings and even if they’re a completely off their rocker, raving loon, show them appreciation.

It’s NOT. so get over it. Most of the posters on this site understand this is more like hanging out at the bar and BSing about our teams… yeah, there’s gonna be some shit said and the idea is your supposed to laugh it off and dish it back… not go sulking into the corner and stare into your beer and mumble about how much of an ‘ass’ somebody is because they hurt your internet ‘feelings’. Christ, grow up.

[on a related topic]
…as far as wishing injury on an opposing team… wth? when I played, I played to knock the shit outta you. If you weren’t strong enough to take the punishment I dished out, then the sideline IS where you belonged. I respected players who were out to take my head off cuz that’s what they were going to get from me. It’s an intense game, injuries happen and as in battle… the plan is ‘attrition’ whether that’s by wearing you down over 60 minutes or knocking the shit out of you on the opening kick. It’s you are me buddy. I pick me. Concussions happen. I pick Rodgers and Cutler. Because both their teams SUCK.

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by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 22, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yuck

That is wayyyy too much good stuff said about the packers. I am hoping the Bears blow them out in stunning/laughable fashion because we all know Cutler will go all Grossman in the SB.

PS: The champioship belt dance makes me want to gouge out my eyes. Stupid smug face Rodgers…..

by Vikes Fan on Jan 21, 2011 8:19 AM CST reply actions  

Well done!

I am sitting in the middle of my Friday morning geology class (if that gives you any indication of just how much I’m paying attention) and STILL fighting back laughter at the “liter of hot tub water at the Jersey Shore house” bit. You sir, should suck it up and start posting on here more. Great post, couldn’t agree with you more on the Bears. That aside, I actually like Chicago and Pittsburgh in the Superbowl, Pitt to win. Great stuff man, got my Friday morning off to a fun start.

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by bleedpurple426 on Jan 21, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

I don't understand any fan of the NFC North wanting the AFC to win in Dallas.

With all the back and forth banter on this post, my comment may be bad timing, but where is the pride for the NFC North? If you really want the Bears or the Packers to suck against the Jets or Steelers, that means the Vikings must really suck, since we were beaten twice by each team. C’mon man, lets hope for a blowout of the AFC from the toughest division in the league. (I’m starting to sound like a broken record) We can get back to hating each other next season.

And for the record, Rodgers really needs to drop that “Championship Belt” thing. I cringe every time he does it.

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

it's not the championship belt thing he does that bothers me

it’s the stupid Super Mario Bros. Jump that he does that annoys me.

by DM_Purp on Jan 21, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

me too

I can overlook them more easily, because they come after good plays for the Packers. But I wish he would just do a basic fist pump and be done with it.

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by Ben T on Jan 22, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I would rather stick needles in my eyes than root for the Packers to win anything.

I will root for the Bears just this week, then in the SB, I would rather stick needles in my eyes again than root for the Bears.

by bf4mvp on Jan 21, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

No way will I ever cheer for the Packers or Bears.

I just hope I don’t have to hold my nose and cheer for Ruthlessraper and the Steelers.

by Midnight Rambler on Jan 21, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

This isn't college football. No one cares about a Super Bowl winner's division.

Can anyone here arguing for “NFC North pride” point to a post they made more than a week ago in which they praised the Buffalo Bills of the last ten years for being a great team because they regularly get drubbed by the Bellichick Patriots?

Can anyone here arguing for “NFC North pride” point to a post they made more than a week ago in which they praised the Los Angeles Rams and New Orleans Aints (not a typo) of the 1980s as great teams because they played in the same division as the Bill Walsh 49ers?

For that matter, can anyone here arguing for “NFC North pride” point to a post they made more than a week ago in which they praised the Detroit Lions organization of the last forty-plus years because they played in the same division as the Lombardi Packers, the Bud Grant Vikings, the ’85 Bears, and the Favre Green Bay Super Bowl teams?

Of course not. Polls and public opinion mean nothing in the NFL. No one can point to a post praising a poor team for playing in the same division as a good team because no one really believes in or cares about division alignment and reflected glory.

Conference pride only flies in the college game, where the BC$ prevents a real playoff from occurring, and teams play the majority of their games in-conference. The NFL has a playoff, and all teams play ten of their sixteen games outside their division, so there is no need to bank on public opinion and reflected glory, as things are settled on the field, not in a computer.

by Midnight Rambler on Jan 21, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Do you think St. Louis was rooting for Seattle after the Seahawks knocked them out of the playoffs? “Oh well, we’re not in the playoffs, but NFC West pride! Go Seahawks!”

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 21, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

On the other hand

everybody though the NFC West was kind if a joke because it was so week this year. With two NFC North teams battling it out for the conference championship, I would say that that proves the North is the strongest division. I’m proud that the Vikings are in the North. What else is there to be proud of this year?

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

That sixth word was thought, not though.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Still thinking....................

You mean those Los Angele…I mean St. Louis Rams? I gave up on St. Louis after the Cardinals moved to Arizona.

The NFC North’s teams have quite a history. That one thing that makes it so great.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll give you that.

It’s cool to see the two teams that have played against each other more than any other teams in NFL history play for a chance to go to the Super Bowl…

…but it’s still the Packers and Bears. Dammit.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 21, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya know Midnight -you are right

I am just partial to Midwest folks more so than our divisional rivals tho. It’s always some big city glory teams that get the spotlight. So in that sense I favor teams in our division, It;s not so much I like them. It just makes me puke to see NY get all the headlines

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by CitrusFLViking on Jan 21, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

After a very long pause............

I think there’s an aspect of divisions you are overlooking. I used to be a big St. Louis Cardinal football fan when they were in the NFC East. Because of that I’ve always been an NFC guy and I don’t pay as much attention to AFC teams until we play them.

One more thing is that because of the higher number of games you play in your division, you develop a hate / love relationship with the other teams in your division. Because of the frequency of play, you start to know more about your opponents stats, player names, style of play and so on.

Everybody has different motivations for watching football. The Vikings are my team, the North is my division and the NFC is my conference. I’ll never go back to the NFC east. The Cowboys are still there.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 22, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

See my above post

as to why I wouldn’t want either team to win…

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean, "hey the potatoes were lumpy"?

Oh, you mean because it’s personal. We’ll, I have yet to meet a Vikings fan from these parts. It’s all Kansas City Chiefs. I have to admit I’ve met a few Packer fans, but no one close enough that they would give me any trouble. No Bears fans.

If I was up north I’m sure the rivalries would be really intense.

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by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

It could also be me.... I may have had a little to do with getting things stirred up to start with...

but I highly doubt I needed all that cheese.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah...

See, the moment I feel like I should have this mindset, I catch myself. Your logic is understandable, but remember: it makes more sense to hope for teams we’ve BEATEN to succeed, because it helps our team’s reputation. Nobody likes a fan who says, “Well we went 1-5 in the division, so let’s hope for the Packers and Bears to win out so we look LESS crappy.” No. That’s so flawed to me, and NOBODY wants to hear it. It should be the other way around. Teams the Vikings have actually beaten should get our full support. It’s a matter of wanting:

a) our wins to look better
rather than
b) our losses to look less, uh, embarrassing

GO STELLARS

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by bleedpurple426 on Jan 21, 2011 11:18 AM CST reply actions  

So our division sucks.

And we really suck.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup.

That’s the vibe I got from 2010.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 21, 2011 11:22 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed, sir

To each his own. Who do you like in the AFC?

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by bleedpurple426 on Jan 21, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I feel like it will be the Steelers.

The Jets have had an amazing run of wins on the road. It can’t last forever.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I swear the Steelers always get the best calls from the refs!

by solafide on Jan 21, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of refs. They like the Jets too.

I swear I saw a couple of helmet to helmet hits in the Jets-Patriots game, and no calls. I even saw some pieces of helmet flying through the air. Maybe just decals?

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

It was Welker, and yes it was a decal

Still helmet to helmet, but they’ve been letting those go more and more after the “crackdown” started.

http://thepigskindoctors.com/2011/01/welkers-decal-pitation/

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 21, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clip.

Welker’s a pretty tough dude to be able to hang on to that one.

Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon

by JethroBoViking on Jan 21, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

really?

have you been watching? They get a personal foul called almost every series.

by DM_Purp on Jan 21, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

I have to say

I’m sorely disappointed by the Packer hate. The Chicago section was solid; were I a Bears fan, I’d certainly be up in arms. But steroid allegations and a perceived lack of 4th quarter heroics (which isn’t totally true, by the way)?

STEP YO HATE GAME UP.

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by Mitchell Maurer on Jan 21, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

I suppose I did go a little light on the Packers

I think I used all my best material leading up to the Vikings/Packers games these past two years. I’m tapped out. Hopefully they’ll give me some good new material to work with on Sunday. If they lose, I can totally see half of the Green Bay team crying like little girls. (Especially the players that have haircuts like girls.)

But just for fun, here’s some bonus hate:
The Packers offensive line has been playing much better lately.

(Wait for it…)

I guess they finally took my advice and dressed average women from Wisconsin to block for Rodgers.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 21, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny 4th Quarter

For a variety of reasons Rogers really has never been a “comback” quarterback. Ironically though he does have 3 out of his 5 GW/CM drives vs the Bears (the other two were against the Lions).

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RodgAa00

by d_fens on Jan 21, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

"never been a 'comeback' quarterback"

I love how everyone seems to refer to Rodgers as if he’s been playing for 6 or more seasons. I know he’s sort of taken the NFL by storm, but he’s just finishing up his 3rd season, folks. I’m not sure we are in a position to talk about what he’s “never been” anymore than we can say what he’s “always been”.

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by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Uhhhh dude we refer to him playing 6 years, because like, um he has been playing six years. He’s 27 and started 50 games we have a pretty good idea of what he is. I made sure to qualify that you can argue the reasons for the lack of comebacks/GWDs (5) but he simply hasn’t done it. For reference let’s check the other starters around the league. I limited this to Starters who had played less then or equal to Rodgers to make sure it wasn’t just because they’d had more opportunities based on number of starts.

Ryan (13)
Vince Young (12)
Flacco (8)
Sanchez (7)
Freeman (7)

by d_fens on Jan 21, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean 50 whole games?

Wow, I was so wrong. I’m sure that tells us everything we need to know. I’m sure we can just extrapolate those 5 comeback/GWDs (as well as every other stat we know about Rodgers) out for the next (hopefully) 10 years of his career and boom, the story has been told. Wait, does that mean if Rodgers wins the Super Bowl this year, we Packer fans can count on one SB for every 50 starts or so? This is very exciting.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

By the time

That the guy he replaced and is allegedly so much better than already had been in the league for six years, he had nine playoff victories, two MVP awards, and a Super Bowl ring.

Just sayin’.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 21, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Who says he's better than Favre?

He’s better than Favre right now, but that’s not a fair competition. Nobody knows what Rodgers career will look like compared to Favre or any other QB by the time it’s over. Right now, Rodgers is an excellent QB who is playing at a very high level. That’s really all we can say. But, I don’t think anyone can put up a rational argument that it was the wrong decision (from a purely football perspective) to hand Rodgers the ball as the starter three years ago. Rodgers dug a hole and buried that argument in an undisclosed location with the way he has played.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 22, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

My take on it is that, they’ve not quite had the defence or a RB in the past few years to make a game-winning drive kill the clock. It’s not a stat I greatly care for as you can play lights out, put an opposing team in the back pocket and never need to comeback in a meaningful sense. Is there a stat about how many times he has had opportunities to bring his team back in the 4th quarter and done so regardless of if the opposition managed to score on their possession afterwards? I don’t recall him showing a lack of poise in a game and throwing a pick whilst trying to make a comeback so don’t think this record is really on him

by ViolentSilence on Jan 21, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well said

The problem with throwing the stat out there and just saying that we can argue the reason but he simply hasn’t done it is this: the stat means nothing without establishing the context of why he hasn’t done it as much as other QBs.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 22, 2011 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I wasn’t just “throwing it out” there. I provided other data points, to illustrate that compared to his peers he was clearly a laggard.

Quite honestly I think too much is made of QB wins and losses. I also recognize what you are saying. What difference does it make when can come out lights out like in the Atlanta game. You don’t need to come back when you are driving the train the whole way. But what I take away from this is a strategy for the opposition, and a glaring weakness in his game.

But clearly football is a team game and despite being terrible again in the 4th quarter Rogers is 60 minutes from a ring.

Finally Ben T go a head and be obtuse if it makes you feel better but the best predictor of future performance is past performance. I mean gee maybe they should draft another QB just incase Rogers and Flynn both suck next year. I mean it’s all the mysterious future after all. I was hoping there would a civil decent back and forth, but I guess all we can count on from you is the intellectual equivilant of "nahh ahhn".

by d_fens on Jan 24, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, take a deep breath and go back to read my comments a second time. Do you really, truly reach the conclusion that I was not being civil? I responded with sarcasm when you responded with sarcasm, ala “Uhhhh dude we refer to him playing 6 years, because like, um he has been playing six years.” You wrote this when any child could figure out that I was referring to his time as a starter. If you’re going to try to make me look and feel stupid, expect the favor to be returned.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 25, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Sigh...

Here is the deal people. Posters here are obviously passionate about football, otherwise we wouldn’t take the time to congregate here on this site which is dedicated to the MINNESOTA VIKINGS. You think rivalries might happen? Yes. You think people might take them to varying degrees of intensity? Yes. You think that this, being a Vikings site, might from time to time contain rhetoric of varying vitriol and hatred towards our football rivals? YES! You think you, as a member of an opposing team which I PROMISE you posts equally frothing retort against the Vikings, can do so on your own site? YES!!!! Do you think you, a member of an opposing team’s fanbase might..just might…find something offensive here on this dedicated MINNESOTA VIKINGS website? YES!!!! Do you think you, a member of an opposing team’s fanbase have the right to chastise Vikings fans, irregardless of content here in our own house? FUCKING NO!!!!

What don’t you people get? It’s totally fine if you want to come “hangout” here and be constructive…but do so under the pretext that you WILL probably run into something that doesn’t paint your team in a very good light. You have ZERO right to be offended by such things on this dedicated Vikings blog. Deal with it or go home. Grow some balls.

by Jepp The Viking on Jan 21, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

This is still a public forum

Maybe not in the legal sense (I’m no lawyer!). But, I think anyone has every right in the world to find something on this site offensive. And, you do not have every right to do what you want here. There are standards of conduct (beyond your own standards). I wish I knew what they are, but I’m sure they exist. I’m not sure why you wouldn’t want other fans to come to your site to discuss football. But, I guess I just don’t have the level of hatred for the Vikings, Bears, or any other team and their fans. I’m not sure why most seemingly rational people think it’s okay for fandom to evolve into hatred for others. Maybe I’m just not as much of a fanatic as you all.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

See the thing is, if you are here on our site, on the very week when your team is in the NFCCG,

it doesn’t make sense, unless you are here to rub it in. If you want to be on another teams site on the week that you are playing for the conference championship, then maybe you should be on your opponents site. That would make a little more sense.

But, I forgot, I am dealing with a packer fan. Common sense be damned.

by bf4mvp on Jan 21, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No

I’m here because I am interested in the Vikings. I never go to WCG because I don’t give a rip about the Bears. Why do I care about the Vikings? Because my parents and sister lived in Eau Claire for many years and I have friends from Minnesota. I generally feel much more of a kinship to Minnesotans than I do to Illinoiyances (that’s my own trademarked term, btw) or anyone else near by home state. That’s all.

"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."

by Ben T on Jan 21, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Or, we could just be here to see who you’re hiring, and who your fans are wanting to draft. And then we could have just happened to see a thread about the Bears and Packers, and thought hey, I’d like to read that.

I’m just not sure how we’re gloating, when hardly any of us have even mentioned the actual upcoming game.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

You are a gloating troll

Sorry. Just got into the vibe and got carried away.

Good luck to your Packers this weekend. I am thinking its an all Green Super Bowl with the Packers taking it over the J-E-T-S.

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by Grumps on Jan 21, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah Gtumps. Steelers will shut Rex's smug, cutsy mouth up

Then make us vikings fans all the more PO’ed we didn’t hire Tomlin when he was here.
Hopefully the Frazier hiring will heal the wound

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on Jan 23, 2011 1:09 AM CST up reply actions  

If the Vikings were in the NFCCG,

I don’t think I would be on the Packers or Bears sites seeing who they are hiring or whatever. I would be on my teams site discussing the upcoming game with other people that also root for my team.
But packallday and Packers3485 have to be closet Vikings fans, because they are here all the time. If not, then you are here trying to get under someone’s skin.

by bf4mvp on Jan 21, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve been over on my site discussing the game all week. Even though, there honestly isn’t a whole lot to discuss. We’ve already played each other twice, and know one another inside and out. It’ll probably just come down to who turns the ball over and who doesn’t.

I guess you can think whatever you want. I honestly don’t come to this site to get under anyones skin but again, think whatever your heart desires.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I'm way more bored at work than you are...

wish I was you..

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 21, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, I just don’t think you want to deal with Packers fans simply because of the season the Vikings, but probably more importantly the season Favre had (judging by your name). Either way, I’m not here to rub it in. Every team has a down year from time to time (unless your the Patriots).

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Jan 21, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Favre's season has nothing to do with why I am annoyed with some

packer fans being over here all the time.
 
There has to be some red meat over at the Bears site. Why aren’t you over there?

by bf4mvp on Jan 21, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Link for Packers fans

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/ I hope that helps (Don’t click this link Viking fans – it might be very virus like)

by abba7 on Jan 21, 2011 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

The Morale of this story

Do Not ask the fans of your bitter rival which team you want to win.

You WILL get the classic Shakespeare answer. “A plague on both your Houses.”

If you wanted the discussion to ‘stay classy,’ you wouldn’t back someone into the corner and force them to answer.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 21, 2011 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

Funny how

The NFL lets slip the fact that Packers let their players know 24hrs. beforehand about drug tests. CM3 anyone?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/20/advance-notice-for-drug-testing-calls-nfl-procedures-into-question/

by Jepp The Viking on Jan 22, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

Oh wait..

it’s not P and K Will who have actual clauses in their contracts regarding weight and took diaretics (sp) to meet said standards and unknowingly ingested an FDA controlled substance which later bankruped the maker of Star Caps….TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

by Jepp The Viking on Jan 22, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

BEARS FAN
Why does the NFL consider it a TD if a runner so much as sneezes on the goal line, yet a receiver has to catch the ball, get two feet in, maintain control throughout the play, and provide two forms of ID with a notarized middle school report card before it’s legit? How does that make sense?

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whew
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
two forms of id ha whew, thanks i needed that long day at work

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Jan 22, 2011 3:41 PM CST reply actions  

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