A Brief Memo To Fans Of The Other 31 NFL Teams
This site, The Daily Norseman, is a website dedicated to Minnesota Vikings football.
I put the word Vikings in bold because this is a concept that some of you seem to have a bit of trouble with.
There, to my knowledge, is no National Football League franchise called the "Queens." Nor is there a National Football League franchise called the "Viqueens." The name of the team is the Minnesota Vikings. Really, it's quite a simple concept.
If, for whatever reason, you have trouble getting your mind around this concept, allow me to give you a little assistance.
If you're a fan of an opposing team and are under the impression that you can walk around here referring to our favorite football team as the "Queens" or the "Viqueens" or the "Biqueens," guess what? I'm kicking you out of the pool.
Why? Because Viking fans. . .which, being a Vikings site, is what we cater do. . .don't have to listen to that kind of garbage about their favorite team. I don't give a damn who you are or which team you cheer for or what your team has accomplished.
In this house. . .the Vikings' house. . .you are a guest. Some of you seem to have forgotten that. You want a warning? There's your warning. You want to use a second grade-level term to talk about Minnesota's NFL franchise? Go to a site that will tolerate that garbage, because this isn't it.
This FanPost was created by a registered user of The Daily Norseman, and does not necessarily reflect the views of the staff of the site. However, since this is a community, that view is no less important.
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by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 23, 2011 8:17 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Gotta love insecure fans.
SKOL VIKINGS!
Darko is my bodyguard.
by Premier Cherdenko on Jan 23, 2011 9:11 PM CST reply actions
Insecure?
It’s called respect.
I’m a Viking’s fan living between Madison and Milwaukee, Wisconsin; originally from Stillwater, MN. I hear those cute nicknames all the time over here about my beloved Vikings. Let’s just say I keep the dentists busy over here! :-)
LOL
I am all for a little rivalry.
But I can’t stand people who come onto this website JUST to tick us off for the heck of it.
Darko is my bodyguard.
by Premier Cherdenko on Jan 27, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else lacking basic reading comprehension?
Anyone else think it’s acceptable to insult the Vikings and their fans on a Vikings web site?
You can join Mr. Yank there.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 23, 2011 9:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
THE WRATH OF GATES HAS BEGUN!
THE STREETS OF THE DAILY NORSEMAN SHALL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NONCONFORMISTS!
Oh wait, that’s just the Absolut Bloody Hour sponsorship. :)
Proud contributor to Daily Norseman and SB Nation Minnesota
by Eric J. Thompson on Jan 23, 2011 9:59 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
It's not "wrath" so much
As it is just general annoyance. (-:
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 23, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
GATES SMASH! GATES DESTROY! GATES BAN! :)
Darko is my bodyguard.
by Premier Cherdenko on Jan 23, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well played Chris
We need more of this so us fans can talk in the scope of our team. A visitor giving a word encouragement is fine but when they dominate the thread it gets to be too much
Thanks
AKA : Revenge4Webb
by CitrusFLViking on Jan 23, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions
WTG, Gonzo
Sometimes just being a life-long (well, almost life-long. I was here 15 years before they were!) is frustrating enough! Don’t need trolls ruining our site. Thanks, my man! Keep up the good work, Chris. It’s appreciated.
Agreed it is really annoying to sit and listen to others bash out team. The only damn people who can bash the Vikings are people who really bleed purple.
+32 (for each of the seasons I've been a fan, or is that gallons of Purple Blood I've bled?)
by 92Y_VikesFan on Jan 24, 2011 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Considering the human body only holds 5.1 liters of blood at a time, I'mma say the former.
Unless you bleed profusely/have internal bleeding. If that’s the case, I apologize.
by Doc Scratch on Jan 24, 2011 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think what he's saying
Is that we as fans view the Vikings the same as we view our little brother.
WE can pick on our little brother and give him wedgies and whatever all we want. If anyone else picks on our little brother, they can meet us by the bike rack after school. (Figuratively, of course.)
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
'Bout time!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Gardy MOY. Feel great disturbance in Force. As if millions of Internet cranks cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." -BatGirl
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 24, 2011 12:17 AM CST reply actions
Accountability
Many folks seem to think the Internet is a huge toilet of unaccountability, where they can crap all over the place like a 1 year old and laugh at the grown-ups expression of disgust.
When we have some degree of accountability, general behavior improves and the people with the emotional maturity of a 1 year old have to either behave like decent members of the group or be removed.
This was long overdue, and very welcome. There’s no point in having moderators unless they do their jobs, and the emotionally immature often don’t understand that they don’t get freedom of speech in a focused venue. They’re held accountable to responsible speech.
I wish all of SBN would step up and take out the trash.
Thanks Chris. Rec’ed.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I'm all for accountability
and for moderators doing their jobs to weed out offenders on all SBN blogs. And, to be clear, I agree with the sentiment of this post. However, I just do not agree that such a showy display of power represented by this post should become part of the narrative of this site. It is an immature — which is ironic because it is criticizing immature behavior — and ineffective rant that does not contribute to the story of the Vikings. Why don’t the moderators just quietly do their jobs and delete posts (only those that actually violate the guidelines, of course) and ban members who refuse to conform to the guidelines?
"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."
by Ben T on Jan 24, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I DISAGREE
The moderators have dona a suburb job of keeping this site civil. The warning just makes their job easier everybody has been put on notice if someone continues to troll they will be banned without warning. Seems extremely fair.
Further more it is Chris’s site he has the right to do what ever he wants. He is our BENEVOLENT DICTATOR and we love him for it.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
John Wayne
by just another viking on Jan 24, 2011 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Because I've tried that before
And it doesn’t seem to work.
Sometimes, bashing someone over the head is the only real way to get the point across.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But you've tried bashing before
and it doesn’t seem to work. The reality is that you end up with the same never ending job no matter what you do. But, it seems to have served the purpose of working up the Vikes faithful, at least, so who am I to say…
"Believe me Delmar, woman is the most fiendish instrument of torture ever devised to bedevil the days of man."
To paraphrase some dead Italian guy:
It is better for an authority figure to be feared than loved.
Speaking both as a teacher and a moderator on a non-football site, I know that of which I speak.
by Midnight Rambler on Jan 24, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Michiavelli was wrong.
it’s better to be respected and loved. But I do love to be feared.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Indeed sir. Machiavelli was wrong.
And I can’t believe that I’m actually thinking about Machiavelli while on a Vikings website… how strange.
Welcome, ladies and gentleman, to the aftermath of the chaos of the 2010 season. I now look forward to the draft. Help the O-Line! SKOL VIKINGS!!
But really though…who cares. People throw out Butt Packers or Puckers or whatever all the time…TRUST ME, living in MN I hear it ALL the time. It just bounces off of me, who gives a flying crap. I mean REALLY. Its a stupid word and it means nothing. When people do it, THEY are the ones that look stupid. Let them look stupid, we can all laugh at them behind their backs.
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by TrevorR on Jan 24, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Fudge Packers is another.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Jan 26, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
The issue...
Comes from the fact that on a Vikings site for a Vikings fan to come in and talk Vikings with other Vikings fans, it gets annoying to see non Viking fans speaking childish names about the Vikings in an attempt to annoy the Viking fans, and be obnoxious. For a Vikings fan in a Vikings site to talk about the Packers negatively is common. They’re heated rivals and Vikings fans hate Packers. That being said, I will never travel to The Daily Bree or whatever Packer Fansite is out there and start slamming Fudge Packers around like I’m mashing my head against my keyboard. It’s disrespectful to the people who come here to discuss their favorite team….VIKINGS
Had to get the last one in there since I wasn’t able to fit it in in that longish Packer diatribe…
by SouthSotaPop on Jan 27, 2011 2:03 AM CST up reply actions
+1
Again…whose house is this? I can talk about the rival as the rival and snark on the Slackers.
But I’m not going to Acme and calling them names in THEIR house.
Personally, I don’t see the need to go over to their site anyway. I have no point of common interest with them. They’re the enemy, and my 2nd favorite team each and every week is whomever has a chance to thump them.
by Shawn Gillogly on Feb 5, 2011 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
Wow. . .19 recs
And here I had been told that I was driving people away from the site and stuff.
Guess that was just coming from somebody that was talking firmly from their ass as opposed to another part of their body. Shocking.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 9:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think the name calling is stupid and it just makes the people doing it look childish and stupid. I don’t use “viqueens” or any of the other names. That said, lets not sit here and pretend that this is the only team going through it or that your own fans don’t do exactly the same thing.
Ultimately its dumb and annoying but making a post like this shows the people doing it that its working and they are getting under your skin which is just what they want. Just ignore them. We all know the ones who look stupid in all of it…
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
Well, the point of this post
Is that when I ban idiots for doing these kinds of stupid things and they send in complaints saying that I was oh so mean to them, they have nothing to whine about.
They’ve been warned, after all.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
I was aware that there wasn’t a franchise called the Viqueens. However, I have been lead to believe that the team I cheer for were actually called the Fudgepackers and we only call them Packers because it’s shorter. My mistake.
I agree that other people shouldn’t insult, taunt, or rub salt in the wounds of members of a rival fanbase. It’s classless, petty, and immature. Plus, you really look like an asshole. But I would also like to point out that a certain admin will tell people to stop making fun of his team and fellow fans while, in the same breath, insult another fanbase in its entirety, while also passing judgment on how big of an asshole a rival QB is. Frankly, I find the irony in this situation not only obvious, but entertaining as well. This post was certainly needed, not only on this blog but on every SN blog. But those casting stones should really take a look at their own actions before doing so. Hypocrisy doesn’t look good on anyone.
That's the thing
If people want to use those terms at APC or WCG or wherever. . .and they do, believe me. . .they can go right on ahead. They just don’t get to do it here. If it’s that big an issue, nobody is forcing anyone to be here.
By the same token, if people don’t like that we don’t constantly coddle opposing teams or opposing fans in the manner that they obviously feel that they’re entitled to, again. . .too bad.
Again, this is a Vikings site. Most Viking fans. . .get this. . .don’t like the Green Bay Packers. Or the Chicago Bears. And most of them really aren’t terribly fond of the fans of either of those teams, either. The difference being that when you guys are mean to Viking players, or even to me personally (as the 300-post thread over at APC dedicated to me and my alleged “mental illness” can attest to), I don’t go into your house and whine about it.
A lot of the Packer fans that have wandered over here recently seem to think that they’re entitled to something. They’re not.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
It seems to me that we have several very good, polite Packers fans here.
PackApoligist, TrevorR, Packers(some number I don’t remember) and a few others have been quite civil. They seem like they have good things to add to the conversation. Just tossing that out there.
Welcome, ladies and gentleman, to the aftermath of the chaos of the 2010 season. I now look forward to the draft. Help the O-Line!
by ccrunner on Jan 25, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
All it takes is one bad apple and it makes the rest look bad. We’ve had lots of great convos with Viking fans over in APC too but there have been a few asses that came over and they get things all wriled up with dumb rhetoric and ruin it for the others that want to just have a good conversation.
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by TrevorR on Jan 26, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope APC punts them too
Seriously. If no one rides herd on the trolls, they run amok and crap all over the place until everyone but them, leaves. No one has a monopoly on trolls, but if SBN sites start removing them, these sites will be better for all of us.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
and the congregations says...
AMEN!
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 28, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
You know what? I'm going to rec'd this one
If only because it lists me in a positive way!
Flattery will get you everywhere.
by PackApologist on Jan 26, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
That's all well and good, if you want to be hypocritical.
What you have set up is a place where Fans of, say the Bears, can come trying to have conversation with a heated rival, and be completely and hypocritically ridiculed. And they aren’t even allowed to respond in kind. That’s what you want to offer, Chris? Seriously?
I get that you don’t want the disrespect. I agree with the notion. But it’s hypocritical to allow the traffic of garbage to run one way. You can’t demand respect, you earn it. And deliberately creating (and justifying) a hypocritical one way street is NOT the way to earn respect. Come on, DN is better than to set up a system that allows visitors to be treated like this, isn’t it?
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Note....
I am not trying to say that if some jerk comes here and posts garbage that they should be tolerated, mind you. If someone comes and craps on your lawn fro no reason, then I agree completely with giving them the boot.
I didn’t want to be misunderstood. Trolling is BS and should get someone the boot no matter where they are posting.
in•san•i•ty \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\ noun
1 : The practice of repeating the same action while expecting different results.
by Timothy Hockemeyer on Feb 8, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
The point is...
You can call our team whatever You want on YOUR website. We, then, can do the same on OUR website. Seems simple enough to me. If You wish to bash our team, go somewhere else. By the same token, You have the right to kick disrespectful Vikings fans off your sites.
Pretty much, yes
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
I support this move
It’s called sportsmanship. And it’s called standing our ground and defending ourselves. Good for you, Gates.
Yep
I’m tired of the “sniff, sniff, but you’re so meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeean to us” garbage from certain opposing fans.
One of my other favorite SB Nation blogs is Stampede Blue, the Colts’ site. Their head blogger, BigBlueShoe, and I have spoken on numerous occasions about different topics. We’re a lot alike in the fact that we’re not afraid to admit that we’re fans, first and foremost.
He has one of the most successful sites on the network. Come to think of it, there are plenty of fans from the Colts’ rival teams that don’t much like him, either.
I’m starting to think that that sort of thing means that I’m doing something correctly.
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by Christopher Gates on Jan 24, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
There are plenty of sane Colts' fans who don't like him.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 17, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Debatable point for sure
I suppose that it is one way to look at it…
I’m starting to think that that sort of thing means that I’m doing something correctly.
I like Hamburgers!
I'm fired up about this.
As soon as I get the dishes done and take my Adrian Peterson apron off, I’m gonna do something about it.
Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. - John Lennon
by JethroBoViking on Jan 24, 2011 4:31 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
your AP thong is showing
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Jan 25, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
Can't we all just get along? Haven't we suffered enough?
We have never won a Superbowl yet we are one of the top five most successful teams in terms of wins in our 50 year history. As things look right now we have multiple holes to fill & our 2 biggest rivals have proven to be 2 of the top teams in the NFC. We sucked more than Jenna Jamison this year. Yet we have optimism. The Vikings are our team. All Chris is saying is use the proper name when addressing them. So I can live with that even when I’m bashing their performance.
I thought Jenna Jameson blew
but that’s just me…
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Um they don't actually blow...
If you don’t know that, well let your significan’t other watch some Jenna..
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
I wonder what the Daily Norseman
record # is for “rec’s” on an article? I would have to say this one would be at least near the top.
by abba7 on Jan 25, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Probably is sir. Probably is.
The highest I’ve ever seen is something like seven I think. For a MarkSP18 post. Those always attract a lot of views.
Welcome, ladies and gentleman, to the aftermath of the chaos of the 2010 season. I now look forward to the draft. Help the O-Line!
Thanks. :)
Welcome, ladies and gentleman, to the aftermath of the chaos of the 2010 season. I now look forward to the draft. Help the O-Line!
For what it is worth
As a commenter of over 2k times here, I fully support both this post itself and the espoused ethos. I got your back Gonzo!
Here is the main message if there are those who STILL don’t get it.
Go make fun of the Vikes elsewhere, we really don’t care, it’s your house. Step in here with that BS and your first time will be your last. If you can’t handle it, don’t join it and click off the disclaimer about terms of use.
Have a pleasant day.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 25, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
OR....
Think of it this way. This place is a den of some of the most die hard Vikings fans on the planet. What do you think would happen if one Bear or Packer fan busted down the club doors and started talking bout their team in person? At best you’d be show the door, at worst you’d leave bloodied and soiled.
by Jepp The Viking on Jan 25, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Beaten like a $2 Um well anyway I'm down with the violence! :D
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
wait…gonzo is Chris Gates???? ;-)
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
lol yeah..
all the admins changed their names a while back no idea…
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Yes I understand your concern and this post, but
Viking fans call names to.. Like the Saints’ “Aints” the Cowboys, “Cowgirls”…etc… So everyone should be banned ig? heck check out my name lol
☠★☪My dream, is to see the Minnesota Vi♛s win a superbowl. USA- the land were dreams come true. ☀ ツ This is our ۩۩house۩
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 25, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions
Here's the thing.
On a Minnesota Vikings post, ‘Aints’, ‘Cowgirls’, ‘Fudgepackers’, etc. are OK. And on APC or WCG, ‘Viqueens’, etc. are OK. Look, if I go to their forums (which I do lurk from time to time), I don’t get my panties in a bunch when I see it. And I’m also not going to say ‘Fudgepackers’ on APC. That’s THEIR forum.
Likewise, I don’t expect Pack fans to come over here and use ‘Viqueens’. We actually have a few Pack fans who post from time to time- I don’t see them saying it. They’re respectful and I appreciate it, because, as Gonzo points out, they’re guests. Likewise, should I ever post on APC, I will in turn be a guest and mind my manners.
Back when we had ‘5 Good Questions With…’ posts, I felt the same way. It was like a ‘mixer’, if you will- I felt, as hosts, we should avoid the name calling for that particular team in that particular post. It works both ways. And because I feel we should hold ourselves to those standards, they in turn should do the same.
Think of it like being at a bar with a friend who happens to be a fan of another team. Many of us having taken pity on the poor souls who are Bears or Packers fans, and have befriended them in hopes of increasing their humanity. (:P) I don’t say ‘Fudgepackers’ when I’m with my Packer fan buddy watching a game. Sure, we’ll crack our jokes. But we keep it ‘respectful’. Same here. If I’m replying to the post of a Packer fan here, I don’t say ‘Fudgepackers’. If I’m replying a Vikings’ fans’ post here, I might and will.
There’s a reason we have 32 NFL sports blogs. It’s so fans of each team can have their own home, to use 31 derogatory names without hearing the one they don’t want to hear. Each blog has that right and ours should be no different.
And Mr. Gates is therefore entirely not only within his right, but really fulfilling a RESPONSIBILITY, in ensuring that.
Just allow me to say
Jills, Dullphins, Patsies, Jesters, Squealers, Crows, Bungles, Clowns, Dolts, Titties, Hexans, Jagoffs, Afraiders, Dischargers, Cheaps, Doinkos, Midgets, Beagles, Deadskins, Cowpies, Suckaneers, Faints, Buzzards, Prancers, Whackers, Cubs, Loins, Scrams, Seasquawkes, Turdinals, and of course the $4.99ers
That is all :)
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 25, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm reporting you lol!
See, it’s not even cool here
☠★☪My dream, is to see the Minnesota Vi♛s win a superbowl. USA- the land were dreams come true. ☀ ツ This is our ۩۩house۩
by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 27, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
See I don’t agree…the thing is that he’s calling those terms second grade garbage and stuff, so why not just apply it all over. Get rid of the stupid sophomoric nicknames altogether. Then there is no double standard and the place is better for it. I HATE all of those dumb childish nicknames. It makes the boards look lame and the poster ridiculous. It almost always takes the conversations down the wrong path too!
The Green Bay Packers...Putting bad coaches out of their misery since 2010
lol I've been nailed on both your sites for saying things that are only slightly negative
Not even pulling out names, but just differing on opinion of something Stujo and I can’t remember the packer jumped all over me. Now I didn’t take it the wrong way because I"m talking about your team on your site. But people do take things differently that is for sure.
Ok what was the point… I guess no one knows what people will get upset about and honestly on your own site you should feel fine talking the way you want to.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Double standard...
There IS no double standard, as it’s OUR forum. The double standard would be if Chris went to APC and called them Fudgepackers. Worse, if he whinned when he was then kicked off for it. Now I don’t know for certain, but I don’t think he’s done that.
Again- I don’t do it there, and I don’t expect them to do it here. But just like you’ll see Viqueens all over the place there, you’ll see Fudgepackers all over the place here.
When I go to someone else's house
I don’t shit in their living room. I’d expect them to return the favor when they’re in mine.
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Interesting conversation thread
Here’s what I don’t get…and I’m sure I’ll be slammed for it but I accept that risk.
Why even have the conversation? If this is a problem just ban the offenders without a show. They simply disappear in the night like someone following the white army during the red revolution. In other words…what would Stalin do?
Seriously, you make the trolls go away without fanfare and people forget them. You give them a huge going away party and six more are going to want the same treatment. No warnings, no good byes, no BS, they just go away.
The less you give in to trolls by giving them the joy of seeing you squirm the less they appear and ruin a good forum. So don’t join the flame war….just smile, delete the post, don’t make it personal, and laugh at them on your own time for how stupid they are no matter what team they cheer for. If you indulge them for just a second of your time they simply win.
by PackApologist on Jan 26, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Well,
what I took a little bit here was Mr. Gates warning them, and making the rules clear. Although, they probably shouldn’t HAVE to be made clear- in which case I agree with you some. Honestly, if I ever go to APC and say Fudgepackers there, please feel free to call me a moronic a-hole both there and here.
If we ban them then we don't give them a chance to be a part of the dialog.
In this country, we even give second chances to sociopaths. A few juvenile idiots insisting on using stupid names should certainly get some chances.
As a Vikings fan who visits several other teams boards, I have found it worthwhile to not use anything but the teams given name. It does two things, first it shows that you respect the fact that you are on that teams boards. Second when they start calling your team names you can tell who your going to have a problem with right off the bat.
It never ceases to amaze me that after being on one Packer forum for over two years every once in a while some new Packer fan signs up and starts attacking me as soon as he finds out I’m a Viking fan. What happens is that those Packer fans I have been talking civil to for the last two years come to my defense. Why, because I have earned enough respect. If you talk to people as though you are sitting in his living room talking about his team you will never have any problems.
by raptorman on Jan 26, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I think that's exactly the right policy
And the policy that, unfortunately, is having to be ENFORCED here on our board. I do agree- again, when on another team’s board, you are their guest. Act like it.
right on raptorman
I do the same thing..and the real football fans appreciate logical debate and respect you for it if you treat them with respect. I even converted some of the Packers fans from the opinion that all Viking fans were idiots like the trolls they experienced..
I agree with this...
Or at least the main point, if not all the rhetoric used to get there. In 2009 when APC became a shooting range for Viking (and Favre) fans looking to bait and insult Packer fans, I stopped going to APC most days to avoid it. So I try to save all my bitterest vitriol for venting on APC (which has occasionally then been cut and pasted into threads over here by others who took “manners” for “hypocrisy”, for you fans of irony). Asking people to mind their manners when they’re visiting a rival’s fansite seems pretty fair to me.
Also, resorting to phrases like Fudge Packers and ViQueens really just proves you’re a moron. And possibly a hate filled bigot to boot.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 28, 2011 6:38 AM CST reply actions
lol
what an ironic comment from one of the primary guys who ridiculed me over at APC no matter how respectfully I posted there — and then made up posts that I supposedly made when I called him on mischaracterizing me, and answered with response when I linked to the search page of all my posts to that point and asked him to show me just one where I was doing what claimed I did “all the time” — and them when I permanently stopped posting at APC about a year ago, could not resist the urge to troll me over here and make non-sequitor replies to many of my posts last season with comments like “haven’t you changed what team you’re rooting for yet?”
What irony. Look in the mirror TSSC. You were a major contributor to crating that toxic, ugly environment. Not a victim of it. If you were a victim of it, then you apparently are one in the sense of “two wrongs make a right” — you didn’t like how others treated you, so in response you lumped all people who had similiar POVs to the people you felt injured by and dished out to all of them out the same bad irresponsible venom that you denounce them for utilizing, and even escalating the venom (lol, even in this post youequate using mocking nicknames to being a “hate filled bigot.” Yeah the nicknames are childish I agree, but … puhlease. You triviliaze real bigotry and hate with disproportionate responses like that.) . How ironic.
by puddnhead on Feb 1, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know that I, for one
Am completely shocked by this.
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by Christopher Gates on Feb 1, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I too, am shocked that Alanis has an opinion on the irony of my saying that I think you're right.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 1, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
A bit to slutty
plus I like my women a bit on the crazy side. Last one kept a knife under her pillow. I still have no idea why.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
You're a bitter, bitter man, puddn.
The conversations you’re referring to went both ways. I don’t care for you, and I don’t get the impression that you care for me all that much either. And that’s fine. I’m willing to admit (as I have before) that I didn’t always handle myself well (though if you think that the comments I made you found offensive were “real bigotry”, I think you’re woefully misinformed.) How about you, puddn? Or are you always right, always on the high road, at least from your perspective?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 1, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just ...
… tired of this. I will never get how this ugly minority of Packer fans hate Favre because he wanted to keep playing, wanted to change his mind, wanted to take another shot (or 2 or 3) at the ring. So I frankly wish that you and your bile would now just go away, along with the man you are directing it at? How long All of these urges are very human, very normal things. Maybe they are not admirable, but neither are they qualifications for demonization. Yeah he thought a lot of himself, but … didn’t 2007 and 2009 prove that his self opinion was not all that misplaced? But even if it didn’t, there still is not real justification for the violence of hatred you have shown against the man.
The most fascinating thing about this situation is that this bitter minority of Packer fans — seriously dude, Packer fans who think like you are a small, small minority in the population I encounter in everyday life, it’s only in small, self-selecting “niche groups” like Acme that I ever see you in any concentration — this bitter minority of Packer fans actually hate Favre MORE than your average NFL fan. Yeah, lots of NFL fans are tired of & annoyed with the retirement stuff, and I suppose there are many turned off by the texting stuff too, but all that is just annoyance for most, the real intense bitter all-consuming hatred comes from the Packer fan base. And it ain’t because homo sapiens magically think and act differently for living in the state of Wisconsin. No, you hate him more because he played for you because he exceled for you for so long. Am I the only one who finds that attitude … well, weird?
To answer my own question: no I am not. I’ve showed some of the stuff that has been posted her & at Acme by the likes of you to some friends who are committed Packer fans, who did not cheer Favre after he left (well at least not after he left Jets and went to VIkings) and … well they don’t get it either. I mean they get not cheering him any more, they get not caring about him any more, but they don’t get the sheer intenisty of the venom. Even they think that some of you have some serious issues for getting this wrapped up in hatred becasue a guy just wanted to keep playing, and didn’t take a professional sports rivalry as serious as his fans did (news flash: NO PROFESSIONAL athlete takes rivalries as serious as you).
What an irony that you see me as the bitter one of the two of us. It’s ironic that you mock someone like R4F for hating on the current Packers QB, while you hate on the previous QB. To someone like me, who has no issue with either one & enjoys watching them both play, you guys appear to have more in common with each other than I think you know. You both are consumed by anger about relatively minor flaws in one or the other of two professional athletes, way out of proportion to the nature of the flaws. I am neither on a high road or a low road. I am just standing on a plain old middle road (neither spurning Favre nor spurning the team he left) … just standing there bewildered about why guys like you and R4F had to go down such extreme roeads. I just will never get it.
I also agree with this post
The only reason you use the term “Viqueen” is to create conflict. You can do that on other sites…why should we put up with it?
+100 and a huge rec
Thank you Chris for this. Too much of the trolls negative manners has been tolerated and this is an excellent reminder. We know and respect the opinion of a lot of opposing team fans who visit this site. It’s the other 1% who show no respect when they are on our board that I can’t stand. This is definitely due and Thank you again. Now, let’s discuss OUR Vikings! SKOL Vikings!
so happy you posted this.
Hopefully other teams fans read this. SO tired of seeing packers fans commenting on this site.
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by Christopher Gates on Feb 1, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
i picked MINN and indy
for the S B u have some great players but u d-line is ageing i wouild go after v young c palmer u need better CB/S play and a WR will be nice
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but u d-line
That should be spelled, “but ur d-line”
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okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
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okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider
Thank's for comming over j-man
Pretty spot on in your analysis with what I think as well. I will say that the only ’’old’’ guy on our line is Pat Williams and he has seen less and less playing time as the season progresses. I think our d-line is fine…it is just that they are build to play with the lead. If you were to look at stats from 2009 (when we had a LOT of games wrapped up by the 3rd quarter), its amazing the difference you get with this year (when we were either in dog fights all game or blown out a couple times). Bottom line is if this offense puts up 24 or so points next year, the D will be fine. Especially when we get 2/3 of our secondary back from injury.
by Jepp The Viking on Feb 4, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
nice jeep
and u have a good coach now as well i like u WR u just need a game manger at QB K Orton wouild look good in purule
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider

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