Crybaby Cutler? Or over the line?
I'm not a Bears fan, not by any means. In fact, I detest the Bears more than I do the Packers, always have. But there's a bit of a firestorm going on in that neck of the woods that is marginally related to the Vikings because Cutler could have ended up in Purple. Twice.
Reading this article on yahoo today brought it to my attention; that Jay Cutler is being absolutely pilloried by OTHER NFL PLAYERS because he sat out the second half due to injury. Apparently other players feel that Cutler is a wimp and a cry baby for not getting back out there and playing on an injured knee/leg.
Did Brett Favre remind people of what means to play that level of 'guts-ball' last year, when he played on that horribly swollen ankle and a sprained shoulder? We used to see that sort of thing much more often in the '70s an earlier, Favre was something of a throw-back in that regard. And you could never accuse Favre of not giving all he had and then some.
But the downside of that is the question of whether or not an injured QB forcing his way through the game might also lessen your team's chances of victory. If Favre hadn't thrown that last interception, the Vikings would have had a very good chance of winning that NFC CG. A lot of Viking fans were pissed at Favre for not knowing when to sit his tail down and let the next QB in line do their job.
Cutler did just that, and now he's getting nailed by both fans and NFL players alike. Never seen such a thing, NFL players coming out and commenting the way they did. Sure, it's partially a factor of the technology that makes it so easy to blurt out your thoughts (Facebook, Twitter, etc), but I expect we'll see the NFL clamp down on that very shortly, and force the ranks closed once again. In the meanwhile, we just got a rare glimpse of what the "lockerroom" really thinks.
What do you think of Cutler's benching?
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If I were an NFL QB playing in the NFCCG...
You would need to cut off my foot and possibly my throwing shoulder to keep me out of the game.
"Winners want the ball in their hands when the game is on the line."
One of my all time favorite movie lines.
"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."
Where are you on the "Fav Football movie of all time" thread?
The replacements is getting bashed.
"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."
Yeah I know people around here have no taste.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
More Harm Than Good
I feel like until I’ve had my MCL torn, I shouldn’t make any assumptions. Cutler hasn’t come out and said just how much pain he was in, nor should he. That’s not even relevant anymore. But I’ve never effed up my knee, and certainly haven’t played tackle football with a title berth on the line while injured either. So…yeah. I voted that him playing would have done more harm than good. Especially since his stats up to the point he got taken out on Sunday were dismal.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Jan 25, 2011 10:21 AM CST reply actions
It shows a lot that other NFL players were calling him out. To have media and former players say something is one thing, but the fact that other players who know what it’s like now show that he maybe should have toughed it out. I mean Phillip Rivers played in the AFC CG with a torn ACL, a much more serious injury. Although I’ve always thought of Jay Cutler as a crybaby and my Viking Vision may be effecting my opinion.
Do we even know the extent of his injury?
by KC612 on Jan 25, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well...
What’s funny is the Tribune initially said torn MCL without any confirmation from the Bears. Then hours later Lovie comes out and says it’s a severe sprain. Then SportsCenter had the doctor who examined him on the phone, who said a sprain and a tear of the MCL are the same thing.
Does the media ever give us the extent of…anything? Lol.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Jan 25, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Sprain and tears are the same thing...
Just like a Fractured arm is the same as a broken arm.
And a strained muscle is the same as a torn muscle.
It’s just that most people use Strain and Sprain to describe less severe tears.
MCL sprain
I don’t remember the exact terminology, but something like a 2nd degree/level II/grade II sprain of the MCL.
Those in the know understand that footwork is crucial to throwing accurate passes, and apparently he just couldn’t do that with his injury.
On the other hand, at least TJ looked injured as he dramatically hobbled to the sidelines every third play in his Vikings career…and he went on IR afterward, too. I think that many CHI fans just wanted to see him in a little more pain or difficulty than he expressed that day.
I think that many CHI fans just wanted to see him in a little more pain or difficulty than he expressed that day.
This for sure.
There are a lot of fans who changed their tune after the Bud Light wore off, but the initial ire was all based on Cutler not looking like he was actually injured.
They should have sat him down, wrapped it with ice and put him on crutches so the fans didn’t mutiny.
Cutler really doesn't understand people. He sort of worries me a bit actually
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Sociopath maybe?
No, hehe.. He does too much for charity and other things that a Sociopath could care less about.
It’s really hard to get a read on him, I think he simply does not care what anybody thinks about him and just want’s to be left alone to his own devices.
Reminds me of Dexter a bit...
Gives to charity because well other football players do it.. Watch him next time something bad happens he’ll look around a bit then make an expression that kinda resembles the face most people make when they sharted in their pants.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Funny
I have a bad case of Viking Vision, too. Haha. I like the term.
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Jan 25, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hey
no such thing as a “bad case” of Viking Vision
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 25, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
It is tough to say.
A grade II tear is nothing to shake a stick at, but he certainly did not help himself at all by pacing the sidelines with a “oh well” look on his face.
He didn’t seem concerned at all that he was not on the field, and didn’t seem to be in any pain while walking on the sidelines. The proper reaction would have been to bitch, piss and moan and make it visibly obvious how furious he was that the coach was not letting him play another down.
But he just sat there and pouted, which is not in line with Chicago’s attitude and he lost the fanbase by not showing any fire.
Remember when Stafford forced his way back into the game after the shoulder separation to throw the winning TD? That was not even a playoff game but it made every single fan out there a believer that he would give his life to win a football game for that team.
That is what makes a player legendary, not just his ability to perform but his passion and love for the game.
I just don’t see that out of Cutler. Perhaps he does love the game, but he needs to learn how to show it to his fans, otherwise he is a lost cause.
Oh, and what in god’s name was Lovie Smith thinking by bringing Todd Collins into that game? And why ruin Hanie’s momentum by calling a reverse on a 3rd and 3? He was doing just fine without gimmick plays.
by Bjorno on Jan 25, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Are Chicgoans surprised
at how he acted on the sideline?
He’s not that type of guy. He’s never been that type of guy. Go all the way back to his days at Vanderbilt, he’s always been a sullen, gloomy type of guy.
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 25, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think they are.
A leader should show that he wants to be the guy that wins the game, he wants to help his team to victory.
The sideline shots of him simply looked like he could give a rat’s ass what was happening.
It is hard to say what he should have done....
he always looks so damn dejected, hurt or not. I am surprised that if there is such animosity toward him amongst his peers, which, I am sure has to sting, that there has not been a bounty on him before this.
My gut tells me he could’ve taped the knee up at halftime and continued. He is not a running QB even at 100%. I am puzzled by the statement that he could not plant his throwing foot. Correct me if I am wrong, but, being right handed as he is, his right foot is his plant foot, not the left, which was injured. That is, assuming he is using proper mechanics, which he often does not.
I don't disagree that maybe he could've done this...
but by what the Bears said, the call to sit him down came from the trainers. It wasn’t ‘his’ decision. Everyone talks about Jack Youngblood, but hey, that was a different era, Mike Webster and a number of other Steelers were using the roids on the other side and no one knew better. Things are a lot different now.
And I think, to be fair to Cutler (whom I’m not in love with, but I think gets a bum rap for things he usually can’t control) to question the toughness of the guy who got plowed under more than any QB in the NFL this season is pretty weak. Let’s be honest…they took Collins out due to an ‘injury’ 2 series later. Maybe the Chicago fans might try burning Olin Kreutz’s uniform in effigy instead, since he couldn’t call out a protection package that didn’t get his QB killed all season.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 25, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Ligament injuries
are not something that should be screwed around with. So just taping it up and going back out there is not advised. One hit from a blitzing linebacker up the middle could end his career, easily.
And by the way, he did go out and try it. You know, on that first drive where he short hopped a pass that healthy NFL quarterbacks complete 9 times out of 10.
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 25, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
No two injuries are alike.
To make that comparison you would need the same doctor and identical examinations.
The guy has been around. He knows when he can and can’t contribute to the team.
IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.
by lifelongvike on Jan 25, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I have to agree with the SB article on this. Cutler is getting the shaft because he’s from Vanderbilt and he doesn’t “look” tough. But Cutler didn’t whiff on average running backs all day long, and he didn’t whine about the protection packages that got him planted Every. Single. Play.
Maybe if Mike Martz knew how to scheme an Offensive Line, or Mr “I’m going to keep Pat Williams outta the Pro Bowl” Olin Kreutz was half as good as he thought he was, Cutler would’ve been upright to finish the game. Instead they got TWO of their QBs killed in 1 game.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 25, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
It's more than him just not playing and not looking tough...
He looked like he simply didn’t care.
Now we know people react to different situations differently, but if it were something I had been working my entire life toward, I would be visibly pissed to the point where I would at the very least throw my helmet in disgust.
Granted, the camera was not on Cutler the entire game, we had football to watch, but when it was focused on him it didn’t look good.
This is addressed in the article.
People expect a guy’s facial features to tell you he’s “caring” or not. And throwing a tantrum won’t help the team, even if I would.
When a more stoic QB wins, they’re called “unflappable.” When they lose, “They don’t care.” Rubbish. Different people handle disappointment differently.
Cutler got up and answered the bell every single time he could. If he didn’t care, he would’ve had ample opportunity to check out any one of the 50+ times he was sacked and the 3-4 times that number (officially) he got ‘hit’ because his pathetic O-line couldn’t block a group of Hottentots.
by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 25, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
Kreutz
He missed a shotgun snap in the 4th quarter of the NFCCG. I haven’t heard a peep of complaint from Bears fans about that.
by medicineball on Jan 25, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
I agree the wild
I h.ad numerous knee injuries. The 1st was unbearable but it was damge as bad a Gale Sayers 1st. I was tod when I asked how football players do it (come back) He said if I were a football player I would be done. You could hear me sream 5 miles away-it was that horrible. Call me a baby but it was terrible.
Now subsequent injuries while coaching and playing pickup games hurt. I would be down in pain and then hobble off and. could limp about. A week later I was being scoped. Point being some knees hurt terribly and then the pain subsides (Cutlers case) and you end up limping and fimd out there is a rear.If his MRI’s are negative. Then I would say he is a baby..
Ny other issue Favre vs Cutler. 15 years back I taught at a tough inner city school. These “tough” kids had to have a bandage or ice pack for scratches I could barely see or a bruise that wasn’t there. We beat the living sheet out of each other as kids and never quit playing. Point is we have raised a generation of whiners. 14 years ago I noticed this trend-about the same age Cutler would be in Ekenebtary school. We were told if a kid complained you had to send him/her to the nurse-for nothing! Because of liability we scare the hell out of kids sending them for a clinic rather than say “buck it-up”
The Old School of play thru pain is quickly fading away my friends Favre is one of the last to be in the kids era of don’t cry about it unless it is serious. Know an injury from and ouchy. My gosh. Morneau plays baseball and he is still whiming about a concussion. Gimme a break! We need to protect, not pamper. A guy playing baseball and missing the playoffs. What! He was afraid of the next tackle or helmet to helmet blow running to 1st base?
Just gets on this old accident survivors nerves.
AKA : Revenge4Webb
by CitrusFLViking on Jan 25, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
stupid controversy
Cutler is a reserved man. He does not have a Twitter account or a reality show. He tries to take the stoic approach. His body language has a been a problem for him as he tries to develop at quarterback, a position that demands leadership.
Cutler has been getting slammed by 300 pound guys for two years as the Bears quarterback. He never complains. This year he puts together a good year, the team stays healthy, and they make it to the NFCCG.
Then he suffers a knee injury. It turns out it’s an MCL sprain that almost ruptured and became a tear. The doctors told him to not go back in the game. He went in anyway. He played, and found he couldn’t plant and throw anymore. Realizing he was hurting his team, he pulled himself out.
Cutler should be given a medal by Bears fans. Instead they castigate him. It’s shameful behavior by Bears fans.
Did we as Vikings fans criticize Favre for not going back in after Julius Peppers knocked him out of the game? No. We stood behind our guy, Brett Favre, because he is our guy. No other reason is needed.
You know what? If Bears fans don’t want him, maybe we should take Jay Cutler off their hands.
by medicineball on Jan 25, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
You make good points MB...
And it is true that his body language is his own worst enemy.
It’s the pouty-face that does it.
+1
After the facts came out, I thought it was pretty clear that Cutler didn’t “wimp out”.
I can see why people jumped to conclusions though too. His famous pouty face probably didn’t help anything, and it was weird that he chose to stand on the sidelines for a bit — though, even then, it may not necessarily hurt to bad to just stand still. Most of the time guys can stand, and even walk with sprains or tears. It’ just the cutting and planting that hurts really bad.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Jan 25, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
Rec´d
Cause you nailed it.
*Futile to resist
You know why we have come
Futile to resist
The battle is already won!*
by AustrianViking on Jan 25, 2011 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
Everyone can believe what they want.
But anyone who watched that game probably felt Jay Cutler was a hell of a QB for standing in and taking that pounding.
IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.
This Just In
The latest news is that Cutler went out for dinner with his girlfriend the night of the Packers loss—to a two-story restaurant, no less—and took the stairs.
Now, on one hand, you’re just giving people a prompt to keep bashing you by somehow manning up and walking up a couple flights of stairs. On the other hand, you take an elevator and people think it’s phoney; that may you are milking the severity of the sprain to give fans what they want. Which, oddly, is a quarterback who is truly, genuinely hurt. Isn’t funny how Cutler actually being truly hurt—a big fat torn MCL—would remedy this entire situation for Bears fans?
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Jan 26, 2011 10:33 AM CST reply actions
Typo
*maybe you are milking…
"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson
by bleedpurple426 on Jan 26, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Something that I noticed isn't being mentioned much, but...
I read somewhere that when you have diabetes, you can’t recieve cortisone shots. Jay Cutler has diabetes. And 99% of the time, when an athlete ‘guts it out’, it’s because they recieved a cortisone shot in the locker room at some point. Brett Favre was no exception to this by any means.
I honestly think that is a major, major point to all this. In reality, it destroys every comparison- even though comparisons, as have been pointed out, are dumb to begin with because every human’s body, and the injuries recieved, are unique. But I think if this was pointed out more, people would begin to realize why Drew Brees could play 6 games with the same injury that Cutler couldn’t play over one drive with.
Ha to think Cutler is a pussy is insane actually
think about how crappy his line has been all year long he took what NINE sacks in one game or something rediculous like that.. He’s been pummeled by Jared Allen, K Will, That steroid freak in GB I mean the man has taken some hits. That line has more holes in it that a hillbillies smile.
It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...
Hey!!!!
I got’s me a purdy smile, thanks ya vary much!!
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Jan 27, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
Video evidence
For those who still question Cutler’s toughness, check out this video breakdown of how he got injured during the game.
Hmmm...
Now he does make some good points about the throw… But I don’t think that hit was the one that injured him.
First, he was hit from behind not from the side of his leg. Second, he wasn’ t reaching for his “Knee” as claimed by the narrator/douche trying to look cool by holding a beer, he reached for his socks.
But that should not take anything away from Cutler.
Cutler's presence WAS hurting their chances.
He knew it, we all saw it, and he tried to play through it for at least a quarter before finally taking himself out. He did the right thing and should be commended instead of vilified. That rookie/kid who came in late almost pulled it out, and I doubt they would have had that chance had Cutler remained in the game.
I think the video evidence is credible
But even if it isn’t convincing I don’t think there are many QBs in the league who would stiff arm a defender and then take on an LB while running. And how many would then block said LB into the turf? Cutler is as tough as they come.

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