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Leslie Frazier and Bill Musgrave Talk Dirty. . .And I Like It

One of our posters, jianfu, pointed out this quote in the FanShots a couple of days ago, but I wanted to highlight it to make sure everyone saw it. When Leslie Frazier was introducing new offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave, he said the following:

"Sometimes you can get so tied up in a system that you don't see the forest through the trees. It was important to me that he understood the importance of utilizing the strengths of our players on offense. (Musgrave) was able to exemplify that in our conversation."

Man, I've never smoked before in my entire life. . .but after reading that, I'd be lying if I said I couldn't use a cigarette right now.

Now, I know that we're all excited to see the new Vikings' offense. . .regardless of who they line up behind center in Week One of 2011 (or whenever we see football again). We all got to the point with Brad Childress' offense where we just couldn't handle any more, myself included. Here's the thing, though.

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Brad Childress is obviously a pretty decent offensive mind. . .you don't get to be a head coach in the National Football League without a pretty decent amount of knowledge. He obviously has a pretty decent eye for talent. Hell, he may have even had a "kick ass offense," as he claimed. But the ultimate downfall of Brad Childress, in my opinion, wasn't his playcalling or his football acumen or anything like that. It was his complete and utter lack of flexibility, almost to a degree of being totally stubborn.

Coming from the Andy Reid system in Philadelphia, Brad Childress was married to the West Coast offense from the start of his tenure in Minnesota. The key to that offense is to have a quarterback that's able to drop back, make quick decisions, and make solid, accurate throws. Lots of timing and rhythm involved. For the majority of his tenure in Minnesota, he didn't have that. . .Brad Johnson was done by the time Childress got here, Tarvaris Jackson was never that kind of quarterback, Gus Frerotte was a band-aid at best, and the whole Jackson/Brooks Bollinger/Kelly Holcomb disaster from 2007 was just that. . .a disaster. The only season that the offense functioned correctly was the year that Childress had a quarterback that, depending on who you listened to, was able to either run the offense the way Childress wanted it run or completely ignored Childress and ran the offense the way he wanted to.

But despite all of that, Childress never strayed from his offensive philosophy. He took a bunch of monsters that should have been man-to-man blocking and tried to cram them into a zone blocking scheme, because that's what his system called for. He tried to turn Tarvaris Jackson into a West Coast offense quarterback, because that's what his system called for. He continued to line Adrian Peterson up behind a largely ineffective fullback, despite Peterson being more successful in a single-back set, because that's what his system called for. He was an offensive genius, by God, and he was going to prove it by doing things his way.

Now, Musgrave gets to put together an offense that's "his baby." He wasn't the offensive coordinator in Atlanta, so it's debatable how much the Vikings new offense will resemble that of the Falcons. He's been in a lot of different places and a lot of different offenses, and is apparently going to make an amalgamation of all of those systems to create a (hopefully) unique and highly effective offensive system for the 2011 Minnesota Vikings.

And it's not as though the Vikings' offense is completely and utterly devoid of talent. . .there are a lot of teams that would love to have the ability to build around a trio of skill position players like Adrian Peterson (who will reach the ripe old age of 26 in March), Sidney Rice (turns 25 in September) and Percy Harvin (turns 23 this May). There are still two players with Pro Bowl potential on the offensive line in Bryant McKinnie and Steve Hutchinson. Visanthe Shiancoe is still a very capable tight end, if he doesn't have to spend all his time blocking. . .and, speaking of blocking tight ends, Jim Kleinsasser is still destroying people and is still a pretty important piece of this offense.

The more and more I think about the new configuration of the Vikings' coaching staff and their experiences, it sounds to me like the Vikings are going to take a quarterback in the first two rounds of the 2011 NFL Draft and. . .get this, as crazy as it sounds. . .tailor the offense to that quarterback's strengths. Whether it's Blaine Gabbert and his mobility or Ryan Mallett and his huge arm or a Cam Newton with his unique abilities. . .or even a second-round prospect like Andy Dalton or Christian Ponder.

Imagine that. . .tailoring the system to fit the players rather than trying to simply wedge players into a system. Novel concept, no? That seems to be what the best coaches do, and I think that's what our new coaching staff is going to do as well.

At the risk of coming off sounding like a homer. . .I don't think that the road back for the Minnesota Vikings is going to be quite as long as some of us have been envisioning thus far. Why? Because I have a great deal of faith in the coaching staff that Leslie Frazier has put together.

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i am getting so excited

feeling like a schoolgirl with all the giggling.

by muffin man on Jan 25, 2011 8:35 PM CST reply actions  

Frazier is a genius.

Childress surrounded himself largely with yes-men, and if they weren’t, he practically bullied them into being yes-men. Frazier, on the other hand, simply has a grand scheme in mind and brings in people who believe in that scheme.

That scheme? Win a f———g Super Bowl. It’s OK if your yes-men are yes-men for saying yes to THAT.

At this point, it’s hard to argue that the Vikings now have one of, if not arguably the, most talented coaching staff in the NFL. Now granted- it’s an untested staff, so let’s reserve the full judgement till about 2 or 3 seasons.

At the end of the day, that’s where it all begins. Great coaches and great coaching staffs have great teams.

…and so now it begins.

by KJSegall on Jan 25, 2011 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know about "a genius"...

But Frasier is showing dangerous signs of being not stupid.

Skol, brother!

by jimbo55403 on Jan 27, 2011 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for this article

Before the last few weeks, I was fearing next year would basically be lost given the shambles we were going to be in. But the staff we acquired, staff we let go, and other moves have already given me hope. You made a few great points, and I definitely am looking forward to see how things shape up come Week 1 next year.

by Amir Ghasemi on Jan 25, 2011 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know if Frazier is a genius or not.

But it seems clear he has a clear desire to do what it takes as a coach to win rather than prove his intelligence to everyone else. So color me cautiously optimistic.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 25, 2011 9:21 PM CST reply actions  

for real - make it real - hope

I really liked that sentence too. The question is, is it just PR. He knows that is what people want to hear - or his belief and plan. (I think the later) Can he do it?

We all know what he needs. A real QB either WEB or DRAFT or FA.
OL to improve by better coaching and perhaps different players in some spots.
What about moving the mount to RG. Yes no pulling plays with the RG but no one would be able to run around him and hopefully they can get him to get lower then get a real LT in the draft or FA.

I don’t know how good this staff will be but with Chilli and Bevell gone at least there is hope.

by ZygiZag on Jan 25, 2011 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

I am more concerned about the D

I love that Frazier and Musgrave are planning to build around players’ strengths. That’s not only sound football scheming, but very much the focus of more than one Gallup book about management and talent in general.

Frazier’s real tests will come whenever the offense and/or defense doesn’t do much for a few games in a row. Will he throw the other coaches or players under the bus, especially if some rival games were involved? It’s way too early to call him any sort of genius (esp. since the pass D was never very good while he was DC), but at least he was absolutely right about planning around the offensive players’ strengths.

by KC Viking on Jan 25, 2011 10:08 PM CST reply actions  

You hit me with a dose of reality with your statement that the pass D sucked while he was DC

You’re right. I’m hoping maybe Chilly interfered with the D making better progress. Otherwise maybe all our blissful optimism here is unfounded and we could all be in for a very big disappointment. Time will tell.

by rukiddn on Jan 26, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

He could only do so much with the personnel he had.

Our safeties are horrendous and our CBs can’t seem to stay healthy.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 26, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Frazier definitely had something to do with it

The Vikes paid for Madieu because he and Frazier had worked together in Frazier’s system. Frazier surely had a say in drafting Tyrell Johnson (and Abdullah and Sanford and Chris Cook). The only guys that he had absolutely no say over were Cedric Griffin and Antoine Winfield.

by KC Viking on Jan 26, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

CRAP

I talk dirty all the time, and no one wants to listen to me.

Ya Sure You Bettcha

by The Bears are Ditkaless on Jan 25, 2011 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

I'm sorry, what now?

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by thewild_viking_twins on Jan 26, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I am so excited about next year I could just spit!

Pieces seem to be falling into place at an exaggerated speed, and that will give the staff all that much more to to prepare. Feeling very hopeful.

by abba7 on Jan 26, 2011 2:02 AM CST reply actions  

This staff has me very excited

It’s easy to forget how talented this team really is after such a bad season. With a new and vastly improved coaching staff, this team should bounce back really well if we can get a QB that can develop quickly (or a solid veteran stopgap while the new kid learns).

BTW: Musgrave, Singletary, Johnson, Davidson and Saxon ALL have me excited. Each one was an amazing hire in my opinion. This team is gonna show next year just how bad Childress was and the difference a well coached team can make.

by Cobra312004 on Jan 26, 2011 2:59 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed!

I know I’m preaching to the choir but I am pumped to see what happens next. Thanks for the article, it definitely perked up my day. Skol!

by Canamex on Jan 26, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

BLASPHEMY!!!!

HOW DARE YOU BUILD AN OFFENSE AROUND THE STRENGTHS OF YOUR TEAM. It’s been well documented that cramming people into an offense that doesn’t work to their skill set! You then stubbornly stick to it to the point that you’ll be close to benching a QB for audibling into a play that goes for a game sealing TD! I mean everyone saw how well it worked when we tried to cram Percy Harvin outside when Sydney Rice went down with injury, we need more of that!

Seriously thought, look at arguably the most successful team this year, the Patriots. They traded Moss away and had absolutely no one to stretch the defense. What Childress would have done was to force Welker outside, even thought he is clearly a slot receiver (like he did with Harvin). Instead Belichick changed his scheme to a more TE-centric offense and had a lot of success. Very happy to see Frazier istaking note of this. I’m very excited for the future of our beloved Vikings.

by SkolNick on Jan 26, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

Great article.

That sums up perfectly why Childress was a failure as a coach. I’m excited by all the coaching hires. Also, I think the fact that most of them have NFL playing experience garners respect from the players.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Jan 26, 2011 12:09 PM CST reply actions  

I think my purple pride just stirred a little bit.

To think, a coach that understands how to use his tools properly rather than trying to pound in a nail with a socket wrench.

by Bjorno on Jan 26, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

"Utilizing the Strengths of our Players"

I love that Quote. So far I like all the moves Frasier has done.

by rukiddn on Jan 26, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

Ditto on the excitement piece

Particularly for the notion that even if we get another QB, we will find a way to get Webb on the field, as he is an insane athlete.

by why am i in omaha on Jan 26, 2011 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

A mistake eh?
He wasn’t the offensive coordinator in Atlanta, so it’s debatable how much the Vikings new offense will resemble that of the Falcons.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 26, 2011 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

He wasn't

He was the quarterbacks coach in Atlanta.

Former Minnesota Viking Mike Mularkey is the Falcons’ offensive coordinator.

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by Christopher Gates on Jan 26, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

That said, I liked Mularkey's system

when he was OC. So I don’t think something similar would be a bad thing.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 26, 2011 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I misread dat

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 26, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice write up Chris

But I’m pretty sure that working to a players strength won’t work. If it did then Chilly the genius would have done it. What really messed me up was that Childress had this grand design in his head but never drafted players that could pull it off. Boggles me actually.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 26, 2011 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

When Jerry Burns invented the West Coast offense

He didn’t mean to, I mean, it’s just that he had this quarterback that loved to scramble, but he had a really good arm for short throws. And he had this receiver that practically invented the tippy toes catch on the sideline… And then he got this awesome running back who could catch screen passes like crazy. An undersized offensive line that could shift and move really well.

See what I mean? Jerry Burns didn’t actually invent the West Coast offense; he just figured out the best way to use the offensive players on his roster. A decade later Bill Walsh set out to re-create what Burns had done by going out of his way to acquire the same kinds of players Burns had used, and then Walsh added slants to Jerry Rice and middle screens to Roger Craig. The “West Coast” label was just a name for a pass-first offense that used short passes to maintain possession.

There’s nothing wrong in theory with having a “system” that you want to install, but you better have the players to do it, or it will look nasty. That was the main problem with the Brad Childress era. From the offensive line to the quarterback, he didn’t have the players to make his system work.

I hope Musgrave is successful with his players-based approach to designing an offense. Something with a man-on-man blocking scheme, something that will take advantage of the way a guy like Joe Webb can move, if the QB is Joe Webb.

That’s one of the reasons I don’t want Mallet – the offensive line today is not good at protecting the pocket. Gotta have a QB that can scramble, which to me argues strongly for a guy like Jake Locker.

by jimbo55403 on Jan 27, 2011 2:17 AM CST reply actions  

And of course, Dr Z has fought the label "West Coast Offense"

For the Bill Walsh system tooth and nail. When ‘he’ uses the term, he’s referring to Air Coriel.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 27, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

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