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Five Feasible Free Agent QB Signings

I'll admit, I haven't put a ton of thought into this post, but I feel the topic is worth talking about. I've been thinking about it, and I foresee five legitimate possible free agent candidates that the Vikings could sign at QB (most likely) ahead of Webb and Ramsey in 2011. This is based on the assumption that T-Jax will look elsewhere for work since he's in a contract year and now has some serious competition in Webb. Again, these five QBs are POSSIBLE free agent candidates for next season. Some are in contract years, but others I foresee being eventually released and on the market within the next few weeks.

The five candidates are as follows:

Matt Hasselbeck is in a contract year, and if the Seahawks decide to stick with Charlie Whitehurst through the playoffs due to Hasselbeck's injury, Whitehurst could become Seattle's QB of the future. I would then assume MH will be looking to go elsewhere. Upside: I think he would fit great in the Vikings system, and he's smart. His recent struggles have centered around the lack of a run game to keep the Seahawks offense balanced. Downside: We could not call Hasselbeck our QB of the future. In fact, I would envision a Brett Favre situation in which he signs a 2-year contract, due to his age.

Chad Henne could get me in trouble here. He had every offensive weapon he needed in Miami to succeed (and hey, they did end up right around .500 for the year in a difficult division), but Chad failed pretty miserably. I like to think that just because a QB didn't fair so well one place, that it doesn't necessarily mean he'll face the same woes at his next stop. Henne has a hell of an arm and is young. Should the Vikings grab him from Miami, he would be the most likely of these five QBs to actually have Webb to compete with. Upside: I believe in 2nd chances, and I think Henne has the right tools where he could make significant improvement as Vikings quarterback. Downside: When he struggles, he struggles mightily. And my guess is he will either be a candidate for Most Improved Player of the Year, or we fans will be calling for his head by Week 5.

Kyle Orton went to my high school and is from my hometown, so I'm going with the homer pick here. Let's face it, Orton got McNabbed (more on him later...yes, McNabb, shut up...I have to bring him up). Don't get me wrong, Tebow deserved his shot and he played well, but Orton got benched and that's not a good sign for his future in Denver. KO may be the QB in the post that is at the best point in his career; prime age, he's been around the block, blah blah blah. Upside: The stats don't lie! KO can throw. Well. He's been to a Superbowl in Chicago (gasp!...let's sign him NOW!). His successes in Denver were obtained by throwing the ball to...Brandon Lloyd? Jabar Gaffney? I'll take it. Downside: Um...he got McNabbed. Or Grossman'd? I can't decide which I like better. Bottom line, there's always a risk taken in making the QB of you team's future someone who got benched for Tim Tebow just a few months prior.

Now let's get serious. Let's talk about what everyone else is talking about. I'll mention the last two in the same paragraph, the same breath. They're the most feasible I think, as well as the most controversial choices for 2011 Vikings QB. I'm talking about Kevin Kolb and Donovan McNabb. One is a pocket QB, the other is more (but becoming less and less) mobile. One has been around the block, the other has not (let's be clear that I'm not specifying who is who because, well, come on--you should know). One has been benched my Mike Shanahan for Rex Grossman, the other had the unfortunate luck of playing on the same team as Michael Vick. Untested vs. Around the Block. Young vs. Old. It's a tough call, but between the two, I think I'd rather have Kolb. There's too much obvious risk by making Donovan our QB, and come on guys, who wants to go the "old" route again? Who was seriously a fan of Gus Frerrotte, Brad Johnson, and Brett Favre (Year 2)? We fans just have to decide if we want to a)groom or b)trust our quarterback of 2011.

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I agree with your Orton assessment

I never liked him as a Bear, but the guy wasn’t bad at all in Denver. I would also hate to spend a first round pick on a QB and have him abused like Matt Stafford because of our offensive line play. Spend the picks on the line, sign Orton, and groom Webb are my preferences.

by JRockItsAllGood on Jan 3, 2011 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

+1

I can’t say I’m completely sold on Webb, but I’m also not sold he’s NOT a potential QBOTF. Not drafting a quarterback in the first round could be a mistake… but then again, it all also depends who’s available at #12. If we don’t like who’s left, I’m 100% for O-line drafting. Great O-line= at LEAST good quarterback. (Compare Brady, behind a steel wall for an O-line, and P Manning, behind a swiss cheese O-line).

by KJSegall on Jan 4, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Some comments

My off-the-cuff take is that none of the guys you listed are worth it. Why?

1. Hasselbeck. Really? The guy has a bad back and two weeks ago hurt himself on a one-yard run. When your QB throws out a hip/back without any contact its not a good sign.

2. Henne. Maybe. But I suspect his psyche/self-esteem may be a problem.

3. Orton? No. He didn’t impress me in Chicago and in Denver he got benched for a rookie.

4. Kevin Kolb. Too expensive. Philly will want a 1st rounder (if not more) for him. I also think Andy Reid is not stupid enough to leave Vick (who is injury prone) as his only QB option.

5. McNabb. No. No. No. There is a reason that Reid let him leave Philly and go to division rival Washington. And there is a reason he got benched for Grossman. Do we really want a cast off who couldn’t beat out Grossman? Really?

We should probably look at getting Rosenfels back. He wasn’t spectacular, but he’s steady and can manage games. Then we develop Webb (or some other good prospect) as the starter. Atlanta did it with Ryan. Baltimore with Flacco. St. Louis with Bradford. Detroit with Stafford. Why exactly can’t Minnesota do it too?

by Ragnar on Jan 3, 2011 11:49 AM CST reply actions  

I believe all 4

of those rookies started in their rookie year. None of them had to really be developed as they were NFL ready when drafted. Unless the Vikes can jump up and get Luck I don’t know if anyone else in the draft is ready to play right away.

by wehrkampjr on Jan 3, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

No Rosenfals.

He’s been out of it for a full year, and he’s getting older. I don’t think he would do much for us. As for the others I do agree with your assesments, except for Orton. The whole ‘he got benched for a rookie’ thing is, to me, 100% because of the regime changes’ desire to see what they had- the season was lost, and they wanted to know if McDaniel’s golden boy was worth keeping or not. Not a dumb move by any means, nor one that truly reflects on Orton.

by KJSegall on Jan 4, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

And...

Rosenfels hates the Vikings organization now.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 4, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's safer to say he hates Childress.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Orton maybe

McNabb maybe. If you’re saying get Rosenfels and let McNabb go, that’s absurd. If you can look at Washington’s situation and assume that has anything to do with a fair shake for McNabb, I don’t see how. He had no WRs, no Running game, no offensive line.

And Shanahan whines about any QB that isn’t named “Elway.” He hasn’t been a winner with any other one, either, btw. So I’m not sure he’s exactly the gold standard in identifying QBs who can play.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 3, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions  

All bad ideas

It is very rare that a very good QB doesn’t show brilliance early in his career.
None of those guys on your list has shown that they are special.

Orton- Benched in favor of Grossman and Tebow
Henne- Has shown nothing for Miami.
Pennington is old and injured
Hasselbeck is old and injured
McNabb is old and ineffective.

Kolb failed early to show his stuff although he did fill in nicely for Vick.

That leaves Mike Vick. Still a free agent. Still to expensive for the Eagles. No one pays less than the Eagles. Do not be surprised if Mike Vick actually becomes available to the highest bidder. If Kolb is the real deal they will keep him since they paid him 10 Million for the 2010-2011 seasons.

But if your looking for a two year caretaker, take a look at Billy Volek, from the Chargers. Does not get hurt. Runs a team well.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 3, 2011 12:00 PM CST reply actions  

It's not about special, it's about being a free agent.

Vick?

Vick?

Do you honestly think Vick will be anywhere other than Philly next year? If you do, you are crazy.

Orton was benched for a few reasons, mostly because it was clear they would not make the playoffs. It had nothing to do with his play unless you think that 20 TDs and 9INTs is a bad perfomance by a QB. Everyone wanted to see Tebow, so they sat Orton once they were well out of competition. If we start Webb next year, I would love to have Orton as a backup.

Henne might benefit from a change in scenery, but I haven’t seen enough to want him here for anything other than a backup role.

Pennington was intriguing last year, but then he got injured again and likely won’t be able to stay healthy for an entire season.

Hasselbeck… Naw, too inconsistent.

McNabb still has some play in him. I don’t get how people can think that all of a sudden a guy can suck. There are always external factors involved in dips in production, and the adjustment to a new system and a lack of receiving or running threats on the Redskins is the major issue with McNabb.

And don’t point to Grossman and say “But he did good!!!” because that was against the Cowboys.

by Bjorno on Jan 3, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Where are you guys getting Pennington?

 Lol. Never mentioned him once.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 3, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey LLV

We are doing a Live Mock Draft over at MTD starting tomorrow night at 7:00 pm EST. The rep for the NFC North has been very quiet lately & I am not sure if he will show. Would you consider being a back-up rep in case he does not show ?? If you decide to help us out you would be picking for the entire division instead of just your team. Either way I hope that you stop over & check it out, always appreciate good advice & analysis.

by ENsDad27 on Jan 3, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

& that invitation is for all of you guys

It should be interesting & fast moving & altho there are only eight reps, everyone is welcome to throw out players for their team ( or any other team ) Sorry about a disappointing season, I think that with the players on your roster & your new coach that next year will be a different story. I also agree with Bjorno above about McNabb, he was a bad fit in Washington but he is still a class act with “some play in him”.

by ENsDad27 on Jan 3, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Hasselbeck

He hasn’t had shit for a team around him since they lost the Superbowl. Their running game has been shit since Hutch left and he has had te dogshit beat out of him because of a sub-par O-line

by Soybomb on Jan 3, 2011 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

Great Idea

We’ll bring in a guy who’s been playing with a sub-par o-line and getting his butt kicked. I’m sure he’ll do soooooo much better with our o-line, right?

by Ragnar on Jan 3, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

On Orton

I live in Denver. I don’t think it’s fair to say Orton was benched in favor of Tebow, based on performance. It was more about keeping the fans from revolting.
I’m personally not sold on him wearing the purple, but we could do worse.

by dvsccn on Jan 3, 2011 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah

I should have cited a Denver source on Orton. Wasn’t really sure what the situation was out there. Do you still see him as their starting QB next season though?

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 3, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Orton?

No way he starts for the Broncos again, barring injury. The fans here are sold on Tebow. And with the team going through transition, they aren’t going to win a lot anyway. So I think ownership has to cater to the fans. Just to keep butts in the seats.

by dvsccn on Jan 3, 2011 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Orton as a veteran backup to Webb...

Assuming Webb continues to improve and plays well enough to start.

But what about Alex Smith? If the price is right he might be a solid backup or even a startable option as well. He has already stated he won’t be back for the 49’ers.

by Bjorno on Jan 3, 2011 12:29 PM CST reply actions  

You know...

I actually thought about making this a Top 6 list and including Alex Smith here. He is in a contract year, and the other Smith (Troy) played some very good games in San Fran. It’s going to be up to their new coach I suppose.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 3, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Alex Smith is on the record...

Stating that he can’t see any possible scenario where he will be a 49er next year.

by Bjorno on Jan 3, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

that's good

how about:

  1. = carson palmer or kyle orton
  2. = alex smith
  3. = joe webb

or:

  1. = donovan mcnabb
  2. = troy smith
  3. = joe webb

draft stud linemen and d-backs….take a qb ONLY if we happen to have a steal fall to us
or if andrew luck declares for the draft and we can swing that long shot for certain.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 3, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is what i like

1. = carson palmer or kyle orton
2. = Rayn Mallet
3. = joe webb move to WR/QB

by vikefansd on Jan 4, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

not fair

Mallet had a half dozen official drops, and probably just as many that should’ve been caught. If his receivers wouldn’t have been playing with their hands around his throat, he wouldn’t have had to force a ball with a guy draped on him.

Favre throws interceptions when he’s being hit too.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 5, 2011 2:15 AM CST up reply actions  

and let me add

I’ve said all season he’s overrated. I don’t want him. I just don’t think he had a bad game last night.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 5, 2011 2:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Mallet is who I thought he was

A statue. A choke artist. And someone who folds under pressure. I will admit that he has a great arm. But that’s not enough to sway me to want him anywhere near the Vikings.

Ryan Mallet=Ryan Leaf

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You wanna crown him...

then crown his ass! But he is who we THOUGHT he was!

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 5, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

So far Mallet is indicating that he knows he isn't ready and will stay in school.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

And he was man enough to admit it was the worse pass of his life.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

nice.

I hope he improves in his last year and doens’t tank.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Really?

No one appreciates my Denny Green quote?

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 5, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, but it has been used a couple times before

like by everybody
like every day
like in every post.

But its always nice to remember Denny.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 6, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Lol

Touche. Ah, Denny Green days.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 8, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Alex Smith, Orton

Or Carson Palmer – And wouldn’t Jeff Garcia be theoretically possible for a one or two year stint?

by abba7 on Jan 3, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

Honestly next year we'll need a QB who can play for 1-2 years and show the prospect

we drafted the ropes. With this in mind I want an intelligent QB who isn’t to expensive. So yeah a Hasselback wouldn’t be bad in my mind. Someone who knows they are close to the end and is willing to help out a younger QB and sit in the back once they start to take flight.

With that being said I think your post might be off a bit for this as you are not really thinking about what we may draft. (Except for if we would get Kolb as he is young enough to be a QBotF)

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 3, 2011 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

I do respect that

because you’re right, I’m not taking into account our draft strategy. I suppose what I do expect is for the Vikes to take a QB in Round 2/3 at the LATEST. Many are calling for us to take one in Round 1, but if I’ve preached it once I’ve preached it a thousand times, we HAVE to go o-line with our first pick. I digress. I like what you’re saying though. Would you agree with a depth chart at the start of next season that maybe looks something like:

Matt Hasselbeck | Joe Webb | Jake Locker ?

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 3, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I would buy that for sure.

Or Mallet or if we get some cojones maybe trade Allen for a shot at Luck. By the way I love Allen and don’t want to see him go, hell I have his jersey. I would trade him to pick up Luck though.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 4, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I watched Luck last night.

Simply flawless. Great touch, big arm, throws on the run, runs very well, goes through his progressions on reads, is accurate, and does it all from a pro-style offense. I saw why they are talking about him being so highly exceptional. And he is not even a senior.
Simply a great QB.

I’m anxious to watch Mallet tonight and Newton later this week.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 8:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I've seen two of his games and pretty much was sold

I pretty much think we should do whatever we can to pick him up.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 4, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

You and every GM on the planet.

Except for those ten-12 teams that already have a franchise QB. The win against the Eagles cost us a great opportunity. I hope the coaches learned something valuable from that game because we certainly lost something valuable.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

With all due respect..

They prolly as the team learned or already new…out playing and coaching another team can and should lead top a win. Its class something winners have :)

@}-----You've been Touched-----{@

by Velvetouch on Jan 4, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

It certainly was a classy win.

And I’m proud of the effort. But if they were going to win that game to improve the team then they had to build on it the next week. Continue to show class, effort, and skill.
That they did not do. All they accomplished was lose the Luck Sweepstakes.
If I had to take something from the last game I learned this.
Webb is not your QBOF. Draft a QB in the first if a good one is available.
Your defensive line coach is not doing a great job.
Your offensive line coach is awful.
Your offensive coordinator looks like he doesn’t coordinate anything.

Leslie has his hands full making decisions to fix this team. I wish him well. But it would have been easier with the #7 pick in the draft.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok so

Life …being I could be taking you wrong you tossing them “YOURS” out there like this is personal. Step Off. And honestly I respect your posts your always pretty sound but if you were going to bank a pick #7 before it even happens.

@}-----You've been Touched-----{@

by Velvetouch on Jan 4, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Frazier Chose Today over Tomorrow

Good for him, he got the job.

I hold him accountable for a top-rated QB, and I don’t care where he gets the guy from :)

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Jan 5, 2011 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Honestly getting a good coach was just as important as getting a solid QB

And I honestly think that game helped to cement Frazier’s chance. Winfields blitzes on Vick were a thing of beauty.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Why did the Detroit game prove that Webb isn't the guy?

I just don’t understand it. He was making his second career start. In a season filled with turmoil. During which he was mostly a scout teamer and took no reps. He also was without his #1 WR and his oline decided to disappear. No help from the run game either.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I was expecting improvement upon the Eagles game. I didn’t see it. I hate to blame others for Webbs performance. I blame them all for the loss. Did you see something in the Detroit game that indicated to you that Webb can read defenses, make decisions, and throw accurate NFL style passes for the long term? I don’t mean as a back-up. I mean did you see enough to convince you not to use your 1st round pick or more on a QB?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

jethro answered for me

And I agree with it 100%

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

And to your last question

Would I take Webb over Andrew Luck? No.

Would I take Webb over Ryan Mallet? In a heartbeat.

Webb over Jake Locker? Hell yes.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i think the detroit game was a good experience for him.

he made the kind of mistakes that he can learn from, and he did make a lot of good decisions when plays broke down. he faced pressure and was able to extend the play and look to make something happen. no deer in the headlights stuff, just some standard rookie mistakes, imo.
i think he is gonna improve a lot whatever his role is.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Same reason the Ohio game proved Mallet wasn't the guy.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll take webb over mallett.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

wow really?

That’s a pretty bold statement.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 6, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 8, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's just...

trade Asher Allen then. Bahahahaha.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 4, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't know Grime had Ashers jersey.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha...

Hey the guy has flashes of brilliance!

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 4, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Just like lightning

Flashes that are few and far between.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Not one of them....

makes me point and say, “Yes, him!”

by Mel Allen on Jan 3, 2011 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

So then who do you think would be the best mentor to a young QB?

I think McNabb is a good option, and could play at a high level if needed.

by Bjorno on Jan 3, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If mentoring is the goal...

and, if by young QB, you mean Webb, well, he had a great mentor in Favre this season. He referred to Favre during a recent press conference in just that light. If you are referring to a new young QB, then, yes McNabb would probably fill the role, if he is willing to do so. Carson Palmer could also be an option. He certainly could use a change of scenery. The pickings are slim. A “mentor” has to be someone that commands immediate respect, and I am unsure if someone is available that fits the bill.

by Mel Allen on Jan 3, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with McNabb is...

He still has a good year or two left. Would he want to waste them to train a QBotF, then step aside to go to another team? I like McNabb, but he might not be the best fit.

by 92Y_VikesFan on Jan 4, 2011 4:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, if he only has a year or two left...

Why would he not want to play for a team that runs a similar offense to the one he played in Philly, under a guy he knows from Philly (Frazier), make some dough and potentially give them a shot at the Super Bowl?

This is, of course, assuming we keep the same coaching staff for next year.

I think Webb would benefit from a year under McNabb, and McNabb knows the best place for him is likely here in Minny.

by Bjorno on Jan 4, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't you simply hire a great QB coach?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Ding ding ding!

Maybe we can pick up the one from GB :D

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 4, 2011 8:16 AM CST up reply actions  

This sounds crazy, but if Frazier plans to go with Webb, it would make sense. It seems like Webb and Favre had a good relationship, so half that battle is already won. Plus wouldn’t it be fun to watch Favre on the sidelines as a coach?

Or, how about signing Favre as a back-up QB/player coach? Well, I wouldn’t mind that, but I can’t even imagine Favre ever going for it.

by shem on Jan 4, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Favre has said he'll never coach.

And he has no interest in coaching. He’s said this repeatedly.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 4, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Just like he repeatedly said

he wasn’t going to retire?

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 4, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

*sighs*

Difference is, he’s never mentored a QB, ever. Aaron Rodgers and BF had a cool relationship from the start.

TJack’s appearances demonstrated similar lack of growth.

Retire/not retire is understandable, because Favre is, at heart a football player, and would have to be dragged (physically, as it turned out) off the field.

Coaching is anathema to who he is. It means having the patience and desire to teach. He’s never shown it. He’s never claimed to possess it. It’s not in his DNA.

If he DID try it, he’d suck at it. Like many great players who made bad coaches.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 4, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Favre's too busy with his cell phone to coach or mentor :)

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The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
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by DCPurple on Jan 5, 2011 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

hire chad pennington as a qb coach, get him in the pipeline for a coordinator job.

everything i heard about him in miami was that he was smarter and more informed than his own coaching staff. they gave glowing reports for his smarts and work ethic. i think he is totally fried as a player. i think he would be a real steal to get as a coach.

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by jethrophet on Jan 4, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If I were Frazier

and had my choice of an experienced Qb coach that had actually done the job in college and the pros or an untested old QB, I probably would take a real coach.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I would have no problem with that.

There is a reason he made it into the NFL with that noodle arm and injury-prone nature.

by Bjorno on Jan 4, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a great difference between a player and a coach

Too often people think that since a guy has played the game he can also teach the game. This simply is not the case. Although Favre is specular at reading and recognizing a defense, this does not mean that he is good at showing another and forming a young QB on how to be a great QB.

The other part is with the relationship between Webb and Favre. I know it’s a tiny point, but have you ever been friends with someone and then become their boss? The change in dynamics are such that it’s very difficult for both people to adjust. This just isn’t a good plan overall.

by PackApologist on Jan 4, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course you would have a QB coach,

The mentoring aspect is only icing on the cake.

We are talking about another stop-gap veteran who can step aside if Webb pans out. A QB coach will not be able to come in and play QB for you for a year while Webb develops.

by Bjorno on Jan 4, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. I don't think any of this years free agent QBs are the answer and only a few seem like decent short-term options.

If we don’t draft a QB in the first round the only guys I see as being good fits as mentor/competition for Webb are Kyle Orton and Alex Smith. Neither are that old and both are serviceable enough to keep the team afloat while Webb develops. I’d be content if we got either of these guys on a reasonable two-year deal.

by CanadianViking on Jan 3, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Think of them less as our QB's and more as stop gaps for the drafted QB to be ready

And them pray to God we draft a QB. Maybe we can trade TJ for Manning. I’ll take any of them even Archi.

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by Grime on Jan 3, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

Only problem is...

Archie played with us last time we had a bad o-line. Got sacked like 8 times in a game by the Bears. No good.

by 92Y_VikesFan on Jan 4, 2011 4:52 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as they do NOT trade any 2011 draft picks then they can get whomever IMO

But one thing worries me in that you mentioned “the system” and how a QB could fit in it.

I think that most here want a new “system”. No more KAO.

I think they like Webb and I think they will go with him.

If Newton and Mallett come out then they MAY grab one of them at 12.

That would be a knock on Webb though.

He has not looked too bad to me.

QBs get all the credit and all the blame but we will have to live through the growing pains if we are ever going to see them blossom.

I think they will get a veteran FA to come in and back up. I also think they will keep Bomar and Webb. I think Webb will start.

They need to fix the offensive line first and foremost or they will need a mobile QB for sure.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 3, 2011 6:18 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, fix the oline

and get some secondary help. Madoodoo needs to gogo.

by Ragnar on Jan 3, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Bomar?

facepalms No. Do you seriously want to tell a rookie who played 2 poor games out of 3, “The job is yours without competition.”

That’s TJack, part 2. You’d think people would take the lesson from how poorly this worked the first time.

Might as well go down and wait by the lawn mower in Mississippi now.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 3, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Webb is no TJack

and there college careers were not close.

I just said what I think they would do.

At least I did that.

You only posted “Orton maybe” who is under contract and they would have to trade for unless he was released which may occur but has not yet.

Why don’t you give your plan for the QB position so that others can see what you think rather than responding that you do not like others ideas.

It is easy to criticize something.

Coming up with your own plan for others to read would be impressive.

by MarkSP18 on Jan 3, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Webb might be good enough

but that’s a big if, he was at best a receiver prospect to every NFL team who looked at him and dropped a long way down the draft at that. Not saying he can’t do it, but I would think we’d be remiss if we tagged our hopes on him. If Luck and Cam don’t come out this year then I would go with it though. Pick up Hassleback and let Webb and him work out who will start. Even if Hassleback gets the job he’ll still be injured half the season so we can get more of a look at Webb. As well pick up a QB later on, maybe Dalton cheap. I do like your idea of Peterson on defense for our first pick and maybe picking up a FA lineman or two in the off season.

If Luck does come out then I’m really for trying to get Carolinas pick and using it on him.

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by Grime on Jan 4, 2011 8:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Here is the problem with that plan Mark.

First off I have no problem with banking on Joe Webb if the Vikings have really evaluated his play as being a multiple SB winning QB in the future. I have not seen that type of talent, yet. Maybe they have. He has guts and a strong arm, but can he really make the defensive reads and proper choices in crunch time. The Detroit game gives me little hope.

Assuming they want Webb as the QBOF and Orton to mentor then it will take draft choices for Orton. Denver still needs a back-up QB and Orton is under contract. How can the Vikes justify draft picks for a caretaker? We need those picks for O-Line and defensive secondary players.

I think we need to pick up an O-Line player in FA. Then we need to use the #12 pick on a QB. Then draft the best O-Line/ Defensive Secondary player in the 2nd round and 4th round. We will need a linebacker and receiver in the draft also. We have two 5th round selections so hopefully we can find a diamond in the rough.

If I have the opportunity I would trade two 1st round choices and a “Jared Allen” or two for a player like Andrew Luck. I see that as unlikely, so I’m hoping that the Vikes evaluate a Mallet ( Arizona), Newton ( San Francisco), or Locker, Gabbert, Dalton, ect ( Vikings) as the answer to our future.

This sounds like a repeat of our draft conversation last year.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I basically agree

Though I suspect Orton will be released. I don’t think he really appreciated being benched for a looksie at Tebow, and now the Broncos have to go all-in on him since they’ve done it. Or at least blow up the QB position entirely (again) because they did it. Either way, Orton gets released.

I pretty much agree with where you say Mallet and Newton will fall. Unless SF trades up for Luck (entirely possible, because I think they’d do anything to get their hometown guy, esp since he is a stud). That might free Newton to fall to us. Though I’d personally prefer a pocket passer who can run rather than an athlete playing QB, given the latter is what we have in Webb.

So I might trade back in round 1, pick up an extra 2nd or maybe a 3rd, and then see which of that trio of QBs was available when we picked. I think any of them would push Webb well, and give us 2 chances at a quality QB for the long-term.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 4, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Orton is a professional

He kept winning with the Bears and didn’t get POd when they benched him for the Superbowl.
He accepted his extension with the Bronco’s and will recognize that he was the one that did not win. He will keep doing what he always does. Prepare and get ready for his next opportunity.

I don’t see him as that replaceable by the Broncos but who knows. Maybe Brady Quinn will emerge and replace him.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to imply Orton's not professional.

I just think because of what they’ve done, they have to see it through. That means releasing Orton.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 4, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I've GIVEN my own plan

repeatedly. facepalms At least read the things someone else posts around here before you assume they say nothing. Disagree with me if you want. But save the jibes for when they’re actually true.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 4, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Where?

did you make a fan post or was it buried in another fan post?

by MarkSP18 on Jan 4, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Difference between Webb and T-Jack...

IMHO Webb showed one thing in those 3 games that T-Jack never did…poise in the pocket.

The dude can run and make people miss, but there were a few times where he stood tall, found his receiver, threw a bullet, and took a hit. He seems to have a better QB acumen than T-Jack, and that’s something that can’t be taught (just ask Chilly…he’s over there sitting on his couch next to T-Jack waiting for the phone to ring).

by shem on Jan 4, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

i would like to sign orton as a Backup

but i would like to see Webb or a Pick start

by muffin man on Jan 3, 2011 8:46 PM CST reply actions  

Lions fan here

If I had to pick your starter, I would choose Ryan Leaf :)

But in seriousness, I think Orton is the best option of the five mentioned short term. True, he got benched in favor of Teabag, but that was because Denver was out of the playoff race and wanted to see what Prophet Tebow could do. In Chi-town, he got benched because Grossman was a recent first round pick, and Grossman was going to start unless Orton put up pro-bowl type numbers.

Orton is solid. He has a fluttery arm, so he might not be the best guy to throw a 60 yard bomb to Syndey Rice, but take is from a guy thats watched Shaun Hill (another dude with a fulttery arm) that accuracy beats out arm strength any day.

Im a Michigan fan and have watched every game Henne played in college and I can tell you that he still has a future in the NFL. He is a pretty decent quarterback when he isn’t trusting his arm, and has Pro Bowl caliber upside.

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Jan 4, 2011 12:04 AM CST reply actions  

stadium

i think that the FO will look at drafting a franchise type of qb to pair with AP ,Harvin, & Rice, so they have a nucleous of a powerhouse offense to showcase to the public in order to get support for a new stadium. i like Webb quite a bit, but i don’t know if he is good enough to put butts into the seats. they may bring in a proven vet to mentor a young qb. i think it will depend on what system the coaching stafff wants run that will determine who the best fit might be. i am still way too bummed out about our season to have any clear thoughts as who it might be. it should make for alot of interesting reading though. to all, please keep up the good work.
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by indianavikesfan on Jan 4, 2011 1:36 AM CST reply actions  

Drafting a QB

I will remind everyone that if we draft an O-Lineman or D-Lineman in the first round you will never draft a franchise QB for years. Lets say we get McNabb and draft a great O-Lineman. Because of that next year you get to draft #22 instead of #12. From that point it gets worse. We finally earned an opportunity to draft a great player in a QB rich draft.

2010-2011 Play-off QBs.
NFC———————————————- AFC
Aaron Rodgers – – - - – - Tom Brady
Mike Vick – – – – – – - - – - – - Ben Rothlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck – – – – – – – – Mark Sanchez
Drew Brees – – – – – – – – Joe Flacco
Jay Cutler – – – – – – – – – – Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan – – – – – – – – – – – Matt Cassel

9 out of 12 are first round QBs. Coincidence? Maybe, but most NFL experts agree its a QB driven league. I’m all for solving the Vikings O-Line struggles but not until the one glaring hole is filled for the future.

Either get a younger franchise guy in Free agency and draft for need or use your first round pick on a QB. To win in the NFL there is no other choice. Getting a caretaker is easy. Getting the QBOF is really difficult.

If you believe in Joe Webb then the problem is resolved. If you don’t then we must draft one in the first round.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 8:09 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

You might want to cut and paste this somewhere

I have a feeling you’ll be preaching it most of the off season.

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by Grime on Jan 4, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I am begginning to feel like a religious zealot.

I really don’t mind Joe Webb. I simply don’t think he will ever be a multiple SB winner. If you like Joe Webb then go hire free agent Michael Vick. Then Webb can back up a guy running an offense he is suited for. If Vick is the only franchise guy available and we don’t go after him then they have to pick a QB with the #12 pick.

I said this last year ( although it was more difficult with the #30 pick) and because we didn’t do it we now HAVE to solve the QB issue. Lets get LUCKy.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

LLV PONZI SCHEME INTERNET MINISTRY

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 4, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it.

First Church of the Most Mighty Quarterback.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep preaching

It’s good to see such an honest take on the whole situation. Keep the faith and spread the word LLV! Nothing can replace a great QB at the helm. Nothing, and really that’s what the Vikings need now and need to get younger at this position as well.

by PackApologist on Jan 4, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Heck screw multiple superbowls

I just want to win ONE..

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Jan 4, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 4, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

You get to sit in the front pew BP426.

Now lets build a congregation.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

BTW

I’m from the SE Polk area myself. Long time ago. Always been an Orton fan.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 4, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Where from?

If you don’t mind dating yourself. Lol. I’m 20 and Orton had just wrapped up his not-so-illustrious senior year at SEP when I was…10, I believe. I have his high school autograph somewhere. He lives a few houses down from my buddy. Well, did. His parents still do anyway. Did you attend SEP, or just lived in the area?

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 4, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I just realized...

The little line about dating yourself made no sense following me asking “Where from?” Sorry, I’m a syntax/grammar freak. I suppose I meant to ask how long ago and whereabouts did you live in the area.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 4, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Born in Runnells in early 1950's

SEP wasn’t even in existence then. Runnells actually had their own school. But since that is now SEP I claim some commonality to Orton.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 3:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Very nice, man,

I’m from Altoona. Did you know Pleasant Hill is now the “official” location of the SEP high school and junior high? No longer Runnells.

"I run to daylight when I see an opening." - Adrian All Day Peterson

by bleedpurple426 on Jan 5, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I moved to Florida 7 years ago so I really don't follow those changes.

I visit once in a while and am always shocked at the growth in that area.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

To draft or not to draft...

Webb could be a QBOTF. He could not. Who knows right now? No one. Depending on who is available in the draft for us, we should pull the trigger. However, with Luck potentially not declaring, and Newton as well, we might not have an honest shot at a good quarterback… and our first round pick is too valuable, and our other needs too glaring, to just gamble on a quarterback cuz he’s there.

However, either way, I remain firmly in the mentality that you should NEVER start a rookie quarterback. Ever. You should always, ALWAYS get a rental for at least the first year- the benefits of doing this are enormous, and the risks are non-existent.

With that in mind, I think Orton is our best shot out of this list.

by KJSegall on Jan 4, 2011 5:36 PM CST reply actions  

Newton will definitely leave

his value can only go down if someone releases proof next season.

And I think if Harbaugh leaves, Luck will leave.

by Shawn Gillogly on Jan 4, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Starting a rookie QB

What are the risks?

The only one I can think of is that he’ll suck and his self-esteem will go down. In which case, he probably needs to go home to beg mama to kiss his boo-boo, and the NFL is automatically improved.’

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Jan 5, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Peyton Manning, Matt ryan, Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford

are just a few that started off the top of my head. Can you make a list of rookies that started and were ruined or harmed by it? I don’t buy the risk of injury. That risk is there every game of their career.

The fact is there has to be good competition in camp. The one who performs best gets the job, whether they are a rookie or a veteran, or a developmental QB.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

didn''t Stafford start his rookie year?

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

As did Eli Manning, Ben Rothlisberger, Ryan Leaf, and John Elway if memory serves me correctly

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Ryan Leaf... ouch.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Did you read the cofessions of a NFL agent?

HERE is the link.

How any NFL team could miss that Ryan Leaf was undisciplined with terrible character traits is beyond me.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

o-line

we need to draft the best o-linemen in the draft at 12 no if ands or butts about it

by packrhatr on Jan 4, 2011 8:28 PM CST reply actions  

An "if" an "or" and a "but"

Man I wish I really could categorize this comment like that….but alas a careful and thoughtful analysis will just have to substitute.

Any front office worth its salt shouldn’t get locked into one position above all others like you are advocating. As a result a happy fan should also remain flexible to the ever swirling waters that is the NFL draft. So far the Vikings scouts have done a good job of finding talent, so trusting in their ranking is not too bad an idea. Time will tell if that was Chilly’s magic touch, or the managing committee that the Wilfs have set up, but either way so far they’ve been pretty good.

Thus, the team should keep in mind the litany of needs facing the team (QB, O-line, secondary, probably a LB and a DL of some type) and go with the player who is highest on their board who fits within that need and provides the best value.

All that said, if the FO finds a QB that fits value at 12 then he trumps all. LLV has pointed this out many times, being in the position to draft a franchise QB is not common occurrence, and a team only has to do it once if they are able to draft correctly and groom that player accordingly. This sort of opportunity should not be squandered drafting a O-lineman that, unless you are drafting a franchise left tackle, can probably find a suitable player two or three rounds later.

by PackApologist on Jan 4, 2011 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

e-spin says....no luck for vikings.
Sources: Panthers to pick Andrew Luck
By Pat Yasinskas | ESPN.com

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — If Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck decides to enter the 2011 draft, the Carolina Panthers will take him, two high-ranking team officials said Tuesday.

ESPN NFL draft analyst Todd McShay says he will grade Stanford QB Andrew Luck as high as any QB prospect over the last 10 years.

A redshirt sophomore, Luck finished his season in Monday night’s Discover Orange Bowl and has until Jan. 15 to declare if he will enter the draft. Although there have been reports indicating Luck may choose to stay in college, the Panthers remain optimistic he will turn pro.

Luck is viewed as the top prospect in the country by most draft analysts and the Panthers don’t disagree with that assessment. The team officials said they wouldn’t even consider trading down in the draft if Luck is available.

Luck deflected questions on his future after Stanford’s victory Monday night.

“I think there are a lot of worse decisions you might have to make in life,” Luck said. “I don’t mean to be rude, but I’d rather not address that subject anymore.”

There has been some speculation that Luck and Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh could be a package deal. But in a news conference Tuesday to discuss the coaching search, Carolina owner Jerry Richardson said the team has not had any contact with Harbaugh. The team officials said they don’t expect that to change.

The Panthers already have requested permission to interview San Diego defensive coordinator Ron Rivera and New York Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell. Although the team officials said they won’t rule out candidates from the college ranks, they said the hire likely will be an NFL coordinator.

Pat Yasinskas covers the NFC South for ESPN.com.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 4, 2011 11:06 PM CST reply actions  

i dunno, let it play out. this is off-season posturing at work, imo.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

They could be trying to drive the price up as well.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 5, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 6, 2011 8:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't look good at the moment however

I will remind everyone of John Elway and Eli Manning. Both forced trades to other teams because they did not wish to play for the team with the #1 pick.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

that is a possibility. a loooooong shot, but a possibility.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus he probably would want to play for the 49rs

since he is from that area , he could be dreaming of replicating the Joe Montana era, and the 49rs are rumored to want Harbaugh, big time. The stars they are aligning under the Golden Gate.
The latest rumor is that it will take three first round picks + to begin the bidding.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Could be to fan the flames for a team that really wants Luck to trade up with them

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure that the Panthers really want Luck.

If you are the Team official that passes on a “once in ten year QB” you risk your job not selecting him. Plus the fan base is very strong for Luck. And since they have witnessed a complete demolition of their team they might need Luck to keep the fans happy.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you. But at the same time if they can coax a team to pull a Ditka

Then it might be worth their time to listen to offers.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

This will be the biggest bidding war.

Ditka only gave up one draft and two top picks the next year for a QB. This will be three first round picks Plus. San Fran picks #7. Look what they would save if they likeany of the other picks.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant "for a RB", not a QB.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay I should have said

Maybe they can coax a team to pull a Mike Lynn/Jerry Burns.

Sorry guys, LLV made me do it! Pulling a Ditka just wasnt good enough for him.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I am so Sloooow today.

LOL

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Arizona will....

definitely pick a QB as well. Also, Marvin Lewis wants Carson Palmer back next season.

by Mel Allen on Jan 5, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

matt leinart, anyone??

never woulda thunk of him… but based on this recent vikings blog post, may be worth a looksie?

"the following statement is true:
the preceding statement was false" - george carlin

by BranFavrenton on Jan 5, 2011 1:37 PM CST reply actions  

HELL NO!

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You don't think we should look at him?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions  

No way.

Leinart is who I thought he was coming out of college. He will never be a franchise QB.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

as an "homage" to chilly...

i think we should give the starting job to t-jack (without a contract, of course), then…
bring in leinhart, brady quinn, alex smith and jimmy clausen to all compete for the starting job.
all while trying to coax jake plummer out of retirement to lead us to the fabled promised land.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget Cade McNown and Tim Couch!

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you explain this phenomenon

Matt Leinart and Mat t Casell were both on the same college team. Leinart is chosen as the best QB and leads the team. Coach says the players were equal. If Casell can be a legitimate NFL QB why can’t Leinart make the grade?

I’m guessing there is coaching and an internal unmeasurable drive that separates the two. But to state Leinart could never had made it seems a little out of whack to me.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

maybe...

leinhart had it handed to him in college and got a sense of entitlement and thought he was hollywood, while cassell was anonymous and had something to prove, and ended up going to a team with a great coach and system (patriots). in any event, cassell has played surprisingly well this year. he doesn’t seem like the one year fluke i thought he was.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He wasn't handed it.

He had to beat out Cassel every single day. He earned it with the highest completion percentage of any quarterback and with a berth in the National Title Game.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Politics in college? Hard to say

Maybe Leinart was the more talented kid. It’s just that Cassel has worked harder in he pros. You have to remember that you could basically plug in anyone those days at USC and not skip a beat. Palmer-Leinart-Booty-Sanchez. They were all successful at USC. They have had varying degrees of success in the pros.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

well, i should say

that he had a great system that allowed him success. then he was treated like a rock star. i think it went to his head, and that he thought it was all going to be easy cuz “he had arrived”. he was notorious for lack of preparation and commitment at arizona. they even had to go get that undrafted grocery bag clerk to come back from retirement. and then they just cut their losses without blinking. maybe leinhart was complacent and was riding on his notoriety. the fact is that cassell is awesome and getting better, leinhart is looking for a clipboard gig again.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

All true

I’m sure that some of it was the fact that Cassel had no expectations. That he was able to sit behind Brady and learn. New England has a record of training QBs how to play. The team work ethic is unparalleled.

The original point I was trying to make is that it is very difficult for the pro scouts to differentiate between who will be good and who won’t. It certainly can not be so easy for us fans. Its easy to sit back and say who not to choose. Much more difficult to choose. If I remember correctly Leinart showed few issues of lack of work ethic under Pete Carroll. But maybe I’m just remembering wrong.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 6, 2011 8:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Some guys have "it" and some guys don't

The NFL and college games are completely different. The NFL is a business, a profession. Some guys are more “professional” than others. You know the type. The guys that are the first one in the door and the last one out.

In college, some guys are just more athletically gifted than others. In most years there are one maybe 2 solid programs in their own conference, therefore the remaining 10 games on their schedule are against inferior opponents. Therefore guys like Leinart benefit from playing on a dominant team like USC because the flaws are masked.

In other words there are so many intangibles that it’s impossible to look at any two players the same just because they played in the same system in college.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

I simply wanted to know if you felt the same about Cassel all along. He was in the same program. He never was able to become the starter. He certainly showed less than Leinart did. You apparently determined that Leinart didn’t have “it” How you determined this is beyond me but congrats. Can you help the Vikes figure out which of the top guys have it this time around?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 5, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Well theres a little more to it also

Leinart was drafted #10 overall. Cassel wasn’t a “top prospect” coming out. He’s one of those project type guys that only a handful of NFL personnel are able to truly know if a guy like him has NFL potential.

"Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthend, ambition inspired, and success achieved."
-Helen Keller

by NMVike on Jan 5, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

a tom brady clone.....credit belichick again.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 5, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

So why aren't we grabbing

Compton from the New England Practice squad?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 6, 2011 8:27 AM CST up reply actions  

lol PS doesn't have enough time with b-check

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Jan 6, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously

We get Rhett Bohmar. A three year starter out of Sam Houston State that never had a 60% completion rate in his entire life. But there sits Jon Crompton. A highly regarded QB out of Tennessee that has practiced with the Pats all year long. And we hire Rhett?
I’m starting to wonder if indeed Spielman is the guy that loves these small school type “long shot” QBs. Mayb e there is a reason he has NEVER EVER drafted or selected a Franchise QB.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Jan 6, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions  

he's getting his name changed to "brett rhomar".

i think the only reason we brought him in is because patrick ramsey never produced a lick for us.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Jan 6, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

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