Bernard Berrian Wants You To Know It's Someone Else's Fault
Because, hey, when you have one more reception through three games than the overwhelming majority of people who read this blog on a daily basis, it's clear that you're not the problem.
"I’ve been doing the same things I’ve always been doing," Berrian said. "I’ve been getting open. It’s just that we haven’t been able to connect. I’m doing all I can do, really."
Dude. . .really?
Michael Jenkins doesn't seem to have any problems "connecting." Percy Harvin doesn't seem to have any problems "connecting." Hell, Berrian has one fewer catch this season. . .and 30 fewer receiving yards. . .than Toby Gerhart. In Berrian's last 17 games (14 last year, 3 this year), he has 29 receptions for 269 yards and no touchdowns, so apparently he can't "connect" with Donovan McNabb. Or Tarvaris Jackson. Or Joe Webb. Or Brett Favre. Or anybody else, apparently.
Of those 29 receptions and 269 yards, nine of the catches and 89 of the yards came in Minnesota's comeback victory over the Arizona Cardinals last season. So, in the other 16 games. . .basically one full season of football. . .his numbers drop to 20 catches and 180 yards.
Ladies and gentlemen, the "deep threat" for the 2011 Minnesota Vikings.
I'm just tired of hearing the excuses for this guy. He hasn't gotten decent separation from a defensive back in a couple of seasons, but Leslie Frazier has insisted on keeping the guy around for some reason when he has younger, hungrier receivers as an option on the bench and on the practice squad.
Thankfully, after this year, he's going to be someone else's problem. . .if anyone else will sign him.
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Frazier statement
I’m not insinuating that there’s a hidden message here, but I found this statement interesting (emphasis added):
“In order for our offense to reach its maximum potential, we need to be able to stretch the field,” Frazier said. “And we feel like Bernard is one of those guys who can do it. This would be a great week for that to happen. Between the three – Bernard, Michael and Devin (Aromashodu) – we think we have the guys on the outside that should be able to make a play for us.”
So is he saying
That McNabb just isn’t taking the shots that are there, or that he’s not seeing that the shots are there?
Yeesh, what a charlie foxtrot.
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 1, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing
Berrian is supposed to be the deep threat. Berrian runs deep threat routes.
We know the Vikings have a terrible offensive line. There have been numerous posts already with studies showing how the Vikings’ o-line compares to the rest of the league. QB play has been terrible since the start of last season.
So, it stands to reason that Berrian is going to have a harder time than other receivers getting his numbers up when the bad offensive line forces the bad QB to get rid of the ball before Berrian can get separation from the defender covering him. That’s one point.
Second point – McNabb can underthrow his own shadow. Dirtballer. How the hell can he be counted on to hit Berrian way downfield? He can’t.
I’m not a big Berrian fan. I think his spot needs to be upgraded. But I do believe in being fair. In 2009, Berrian suffered a severe hamstring injury that limited him all year. In 2010, the offensive line and QB play fell apart, and they continue to stink this year. That’s not a recipe for success for a supposed deep threat. That said, I hope they fix the o-line first before they go spending a high draft pick on another ‘deep threat’ who’ll never see the ball in this offense.
When is the last time Berrian was hit on a deep route?
Seriously. I can’t remember him being hit on flat out sprint down the sideline since that game against the Bears (three years ago?) when the cornerback went to cover Shiancoe instead of Berrian. Since then, I’ve only seen him catch, drop and fumble short, quick, slant routes. He’s awful. Maybe there are other issues too, but he’s responsible for his own drops… and for being tightly covered on a lot of plays. And apart from the drops, I’m probably most disappointed that he doesn’t fight for the ball.
However, I will say this about the guy. He does do his part in blocking downfield for his running backs. I like to see that. Still, as low as my expectations of Berrian were, 1 catch in three games with about 5 drops (some admittedly tough to catch) is awful. Rice wasn’t a burner, but he was a deep threat because he was tall and fought like heck for the ball. I think Aroshomadu can be that guy. They just have to let him on the field.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Um
To be fair, McNabb has missed an open Berrian on at least two deep routes in 3 games. Against Detroit he overthrew him for the game winning touchdown. He underthrew him horribly against San Diego too (watch the tape, he was insanely wide open before he had to adjust back to the ball).
Berrian has his problems, I’m not going to deny that. And it’s pretty tactless to shuff the blame on everyone else (though no one ever confused Berrian for a great leader). But McNabb is not helping things.
Watch out..
Youre making sense….they dont like when you make sense about BB :)
I agree, we have a Qb that past the one throw in preseason, also to BB, hasnt thrown a well placed long ball yet…..but thats BB fault too so!
0-3....We look to be on track to suck for Luck in LA!
Wait
I thought
"We’ve got Bernard Berrian here for a reason," Frazier said. "He’s going to step up and help in that area."
Not
“I’ve been doing the SAME things I’ve always been doing,” Berrian said.
What, we have here, is a FAILURE, to, communicate.
As bad as Berrian has been...
McNabb has been just as bad. There have been at least 4 or 5 times he has had his defender by a step or two… I haven’t paid much attention to his short route running.
Let’s just say McNabb hits Bernard Berrian on 3 of those 5 plays. Let’s also assume Berrian catches 2 of those balls. If Bernard Berrian had 2 TD’s of over 40 yards, which would have been the case in any of the 5 instances, we would not be complaining about him at all.
Look, I’m not a huge fan of Berrian, but when his sole purpose is to stretch the field, and his QB can’t find him or throw the ball anywhere near him when he does see him, what can he do about it?
Berrian is not at fault for the playcalling. Berrian is not at fault for McNabb’s terrible play. Bernard Berrian is not doing anything to help this team right now, but he’s not doing anything to hurt us either. He has been open. Donovan just can’t find him.
Exactly
Before the ball can reach Berrian, the offensive line and QB have to do their jobs. Right now, everyone knows they’re not doing a good job. That has to be acknowledged before making a fair assessment of Berrian.
Now, when the ball hits Berrian’s hands and he doesn’t catch it — absolutely his fault. But I see more balls not going anywhere near him than I do dropped passes.
Don’t you think there’s a reason that balls don’t go near him that often?
I still remember when Favre first announced he’d go to the Vikings. I remember thinking, man, Berrian could really have some good stats this season. Instead, we saw Favre turn him into his fourth option. Then, in 2010, when Rice was out and Berrian had to step up and be the #1 guy, he failed miserabley. And we’re seeing a whole lot of the same this season too.
Too me, he lost a step in 2009. He’s basically a guy who gets no separation, has medicore hands, and is ridiculously soft. I don’t see how people can blame McNabb for his problems when they’ve been happening for basically 2 years now.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 1, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand that, but
This team had three different quarterbacks last season, and Berrian sucked with all of them, with the exception of the one game against the Cards that I mentioned.
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 1, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
we need to find those yellow cleats again…if not bye bye bb
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by PurpleValhalla on Oct 1, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Both.
Berrian has been targeted 10 times this season. Part of that is getting open. Part of that is McNabb not trusting the timing between the two of them. Part of that is McNabb not trusting Berrian to catch the ball. Of the 10 or so targets, McNabb has probably over or under thrown it 4 or 5 times by my estimate. 3 of those were drops. Could Berrian have fought for more of the bad passes? Probably. That would only reasonably increase the catch total there by 2 or 3 at best.
Several times, especially during the Lions game, Berrian had his eecwiver beat. One during a Go route and the other on a post, I think. McNabb had time and did not throw.
And of course, not enough time in the pocket hurts.
Pain all around in our deep routes.
I guess what I'm saying is
I think you can get a better grade on a WR when you solve the problems with the o-line and QB first, since the WR’s are dependent on those areas to function well before expecting many deep balls.
Harvin and Jenkins benefit from running shorter routes that McNabb can actually hit.
Still, I agree Berrian needs to go. I just think he’s getting blamed almost solely while McNabb and the line (especially the line) aren’t getting enough criticism.
I think it was MarkSP18 (?) who posted this earlier, showing how utterly terrible the line ranks compared to others:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/30/signature-stats-snapshot-pass-blocking-efficiency/
Summary: Vikings rank #28 overall in pass blocking efficiency, with Johnson, Loadholt, Herrera, and Sullivan all ranked in the bottom 5 of the entire league at their respective positions (for starters).
FOUR out of five offensive linemen in the bottom 5 of each position? No wonder they can’t get it together. And all of that has to have an impact on the one so-called ‘deep threat’.
Definitely
I think there is definitely something to Berrian’s argument, but not enough to justify his continued presence on the team. We will not have a viable deep threat without a better line, however, and Jenkins’ targets attest to that.
Another thing
I think too many people are making the mistake of thinking Frazier is somehow enamoured with Berrian because he’s still on the roster.
What coach has ever said, “We’d really like to replace so-and-so, but I think we’re stuck with his worthless ass for the time being..”? He said he was confident in Madieu Williams shortly before cutting him. He has no choice but to talk them up for their own confidence until he’s able to replace them. There weren’t many proven upgrades on the free agent WR market, and yet there were lots of rumors that the Vikings were talking to a number of them before they all signed elsewhere. It’s the same with Childress and T-Jack. People love to believe Childress was sold on Jackson, but seem to forget that during Jackson’s time in MN, Childress drafted 2 or 3 QB’s, traded for one, and signed a dozen free agents. He wasn’t sold on Jackson. He was stuck with a bad draft pick. This happens everywhere around the league.
Frazier is stuck with a down-and-out WR, and trying to put forth a positive spin until he can upgrade the position. That’s all. At this rate, they might both be gone a year from now.
Frasier thinks Berrian needs more touches
"We’ll continue to try to work on getting him the football," Frazier said. "It’s just about getting that separation and getting in situations where we feel like we have a chance to get him the football. It’s something that we’re going to need between Donovan and Bernard, especially down field making some plays."
I did a fanshot on this a couple days ago. Thought I’d share it here.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 1, 2011 3:18 PM CDT reply actions
I think that second sentence is pretty telling.
Fire Slocum
by packallday555 on Oct 1, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The o-line
has its moments. and when they do protect n BB is open DMac misses badly. And not only at BB he’s missing alot… turf burners or in the front row. should cut Dmac, BB and put Webb at WR pick up QB and START PONDER!!!! See what he has cause the more reps he can get the more will be known of what he can do. yeah our 2nd halfs suck, but the defense can’t be on the field that long. The offense has convert at least a couple 3rd downs. Its getting hard to keep buying tickets just to get frustrated. Some are saying our defense is bad…. wonder if they watched what Jared Allen did last game, DOMINATED… the offense has to help out the defense. I forget what coach said this but something like, the best defense is a good OFFENSE keeping their offense off the field.
Webb
Just because he played some wr in college doesnt mean he could do any better than berrian at this level.
by reebs on Oct 1, 2011 6:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And yet, he would.
Joe Webb is a better athlete than Berrian ever was. Bigger, stronger, faster, better jumper, tougher competitor. Bernard used to have speed, not so much anymore. Never had great hands, just average. Made some good plays, not anymore.
Maybe the NFL just chews up good athletes and spits out the broken remains, like with McNabb. Neither guy has much left. Time to move on.
Berrian
The line and the qb are also reasons for him not seeing many targets as a few have said before me.
I think the reason there is so much hate for him is there seemed to be better options in training camp, or at least younger with more potential. Guys like johnson or the guy from the cfl would have been better options imo to give a roster spot.
With the qb and line spots we didnt have much available for upgrades to them positions. So while we all know they suck there isnt that much that could be done. I have ideas for them spots too but that can be saved for a different post aka I hate typing on this damn phone
by reebs on Oct 1, 2011 6:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Let me ask some of the posters who think it is not BB this
If you are a GM of another team would you sign him next year?
McNabb has been off on quite a few throws but nothing out of his normal. Deep passes are harder to complete anyway. That is no excuse for McNabb but the truth.
So why cannot BB catch some shorter throws? Can he only run one pattern? If that is what they want then there is a HOF player unsigned right now who can do that very very well.
BB needs to do more than catch some long passes. He needs to catch all kinds of passes. And as Chris said, the other WRs are managing to do that even with McNabb.
As for BBs injury that is unfortunate but this is a production based business.
WHYDFML! What have you done for me lately.
And BB is not getting it done no matter what.
The other problem with continuing to play him is that he is not the future. I am praying that they do NOT resign him after this season. Camarillo is another player in his last year. Aromashodu only signed a one year deal.
So this upcoming off season they will need to find 3 WRs unless they plan on bringing up Arceneaux and Burton from the practice squad.
As much as fans want McNabb to be replaced by Ponder so Ponder can get some experience, then they should also want BB replaced too. Why even have Ponder throw to him at all if he will not be here in 2012?
This is the problem I had with BB before the season began and still do. He is not going to help the team in 2012 and he certainly is not helping them now. Although some want to point to a myriad of reasons for his lack of production it does not excuse it away. He needs to find a way to do something else.
They need to play Aromashodu more and BB less. At least DA can get off the line of scrimmage and will fight for the ball. Plus he is bigger and faster. I only can wonder if he is having trouble with the playbook.
I think that BB has a couple of more weeks of lousy production before they should bench him and play Aromashodu.
I totally agree!
Lets not waste much more time playing people this year, that hopefully aren’t going to be around next year.
Wasting this year on BB actually puts the Vikings 2yrs behind on his position….Like you said, keeping BB this year means the Vikings will need to secure 3 WR’s next year.
Instead of seeing what these other younger guys can do, the Vikings chose to play a guy who peaked 3yrs ago and fell short of 1,000yrds…..
J. Sullivan is another example. He never peaked, and most likely never will. Give somebody else a shot!
The NFL is a "whatcha done lately" league
Players typically have just a few short years to make their money in the NFL before their bodies are broken down and they just can’t do it anymore. We’re finding out that Donovan McNabb is washed up at 34. Part of that is his playing style, which requires a lot of movement in and around the pocket, including an occasional run down field.
Bernard Berrian was a marginal deep threat WR at his peak. Now, he’s past his peak, and he’s no real threat at all. Teams never double covered him even at his best. Now they put their third best CB on him, and he can’t get separation. No separation, average hands, doesn’t fight for the ball. Why would any competent QB throw a football in his direction?
Some people want to blame Berrian’s lack of production on Donovan McNabb. Fair enough, McNabb can’t throw deep balls with much accuracy anymore. However, we just saw two years of Brett Favre, and he didn’t throw balls to Berrian either. Two HOF QB’s that didn’t throw the ball to your “deep threat” WR. Granted, both QB’s were nearing the end of their careers, and neither could throw it deep as well as in years past. But then you look at all the other Vikings receivers. They’re catching balls, but Berrian isn’t. Starts to look pretty dubious for Berrian.
Stats from ESPN - Targets vs Receptions
NFC Rank …………………. Rec / Targets
121 Bernard Berrian, WR MIN 1 / 10
41 Percy Harvin, WR MIN 12 / 18
32 Michael Jenkins, WR MIN 15 / 17
I’d say he’s getting plenty of looks considering he’s our deep threat receiver. But only catching 10% of the balls thrown his way is unacceptable. The same guy is throwing to Harvin and Jenkins and they seem to be pulling most of them in just fine.
Great post - nothing like cold, hard, stats to prove a point of view.
I’m not defending McNabb’s accuracy or excusing throws in the dirt or over their heads. These stats indicate he is only accurate when throwing to Michael Jenkins? I’m joking poorly. These stats say BB sucks and is ineffective. His playing time needs reduced and Devin Aromashodu needs to play more.
by Caretaker QB on Oct 2, 2011 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to say it...
Berrian needs to get a handle on those balls when they’re thrown at him and let the QB know he’s ready for more. Mcnabb needs to quit throwing his balls in the dirt and find a way to get them in the receivers numbers especially on third down. Otherwise they’re going to find a serious lack of balls to go around in the 2nd half.
by Simply_Greatness on Oct 1, 2011 9:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
This one isnt on McNabb
Guy can’t catch a cold
But...but...but...
We don’t need guys like Arceneux and Jaymar…we got the one and only BB!
/sarcasm
He sweet talked his way into playing time by blaming his problems on “Favre didn’t like me…” and apparently neither did TJack, Joe Webb, Donovan….
Opposing teams -
Don’t fear Bernard Berrian. At all. They can play soft on him and load up against the run and short pass plays all day long.
Harvin has incredible speed and excellent hands and moves. Switch him to the deep WR rather than more of a tight end/slant route threat and give the opposing teams something to worry about, since we really don’t need endless short tight end plays to him and Shiancoe and Kleinsasser and Gerhardt and Jenkins and Camarillo and even Peterson.
Even quarterbacks like Brees, who are great at short routes, like to spread the field by stretching the limits of the short game. Berrian has nothing to contribute to either the short or long passing game.
by liveforadrenaline on Oct 2, 2011 9:59 AM CDT reply actions
They tried Harvin on the outside a little last year.
He’s much better playing in motion, and working the flats….IMO!
The Vikings Oline needs to step-up and protect the QB better , so they can use 4WR’s and single back formations. The plays they’re using now (2-3 TE’s) will draw 9 defenders in the box….even with a crappy HB.
The Vikings need a much better #1WR than what they have.
They need to spread everybody out a little better…..create some running lanes for ADAP!
Berrian is and has been
A weak useless turd. He has weighed in at 175lbs for a guy that is 6’1 it means your a weak bitch. A weak useless turd out the back of a squatting BITCH!
I'll have your mother call you shortly.
Yeah, that's the problem
Doing the same things as prior terrible seasons is certainly not excuse. It’s amazing he thinks what he did for the last several years is good enough.
of course its not his fault
…it can’t be your fault if you are a minor role player. He’s not even someone the other factor to stop so how can you blame him. He’s doing exactly what most people assumed he would do!
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