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Let me be up front about this:  My disadain for the Bears is almost as bad as it is for the Packers.  But I have to say, the Bears SB Nation blog Windy City Gridiron is a pretty good place to go to talk football, and they run a really good blog.

WCG blogger Kev H and I met under the banner of truce in the middle of No Fan's Land and were able to exchange some questions and answers before high command got wind of it and started shelling us.  My answers to his questions can be found right here, and his answers to my questions are below.

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1.  Coming in to 2011, I thought that your offensive line would actually be a strength of the team.  I loved the Gabe Carimi pick in the draft (well, as a Vikes fan I hated it, but as a fooball fan I thought it was a great pick for your team), Olin Kreutz was a fixture on the line, and they seemed to play better towards the end of last year.  How bad is Carimi's injury, and it looks like releasing Kreutz was a big mistake.  Is the line as bad as we saw against the Lions, or are they better than that?


WCG:  It's hard to say, because we really haven't gotten to see them. It's been officially proven that Frank Omiyale sucks. Well, actually, that was proven last year, but instead of getting better swing players, they just kept trotting him out there. He's benched now, so that's a hopeful sign. Carimi is expected to be back, maybe in time for the London game, but I would say he's definitely going to be back after the bye.

I'd like to believe that the line we saw in Week 1 is the one that we'll truly have-they were able to block, there were a few pockets for Cutler, and the offense looked pretty solid. If that line returns we'll have a shot at maybe doing something in the second half of the season.

As far as Kreutz goes, it was the right decision. He's not blowing anyone away in New Orleans, and he just wanted too much. He got greedy, thought the Bears wouldn't call his bluff, and he missed out. Garza hasn't been doing any worse than Kreutz, and the other guys seem to have rallied with him. For better or worse, we're looking at Webb, Williams, Garza, Louis, Carimi for the near future.
 
2.  It seems like there is the potential for a contract squabble with RB Matt Forte sooner rather than later.  Is he a guy that the Bears need to re-sign, or do you see them parting ways with him and moving on to someone else?  And has that distraction played a part in his uneven start?

He's a guy the Bears definitely need to re-sign, which means that they will let him go and sign a 6th round guy. Kidding aside--the contract negotiations are going to get brutal, and the front office is only going to look more foolish as he continues to look like a stud running back propping up an average, at best, team. He's great out of the backfield, and give him decent blocking, he'll make some plays.

As far as an uneven start--that's on Mike Martz. He chose not to run it much in the beginning of the season (though they did use him a lot in the passing game.) Then, they re-commit to the run against the Panthers, and Forte puts up two hundred yards. That just adds to his argument, and will be the kind of performance his agent will point to when he gets paid. I really hope that's by the Bears.
 
3.  Obligatory Lovie Smith on the hotseat question:  Last year the Bears played host for the NFC Championship game, yet now you find youself at 2-3 and a pretty brutal stretch coming after this always tough divisional game (@Tampa, bye, @Philly, Detroit, San Diego).  Is Chicago a playoff team in 2011, and will Lovie Smith keep his job if the Bears don't make the playoffs?

Well, we're "At Tampa", but in actuality, we're in London, which I always thought was great until my team had to go play in it. Then the bye week, when this team should truly get it's business together, and the offensive line should be back to game 1 starters at that point. Then there's Philadelphia, and their offensive line is fighting for the title of "worst trench performance" this season. Then Detroit and San Diego at home, where the Bears historically perform much better.

I think the Bears could have a legitimate shot at coming out of this stretch 3-1, IF, (and that's a big IF) they can get away from the tradiional Mike Martz playbook. When Martz came in, I genuinely hoped that something really great might happen. We finally had an offense that would take chances, and a QB who had the arm for the throws. However, the front office's complete inability to comprehend the fact that passing requires pass blocking caused them to give up a ridiclous number of sacks, and to neuter the biggest strength of the QB and cause him to fear for his health.
 
It's hard to feel super confident that they can make it to the playoffs, though. To get a Wildcard slot, a team is likely going to need at least ten wins, probably eleven. The Bears have only played conference games so far, and have already hurt themselves quite a bit in the tiebreaker categories, being 2-3 in the conference and 0-2 in the division. They're going to flat-out need to win 8 or 9 out of 11 games to pull it off. But if they don't?  Lovie Smith isn't going anywhere. The McCaskey family isn't the kind who'll pay people not to work, and since he's locked in for at least a year, we'll see him again in 2012, barring new circumstances the likes of which we've never seen in Chicago.

4.  The Jay Cutler era has been a bit of a mixed bag, and I would argue that the Bears have not performed as well as most people thought they would when they made the trade for him.  Lots of TD's, but lots of picks.  Yes, there was the NFC championship appearance last year...but his toughness was questioned when he didn't return after an injury.  7-9 in his first season, but won the division last year.  Great, All-Pro talent, but is perceived (fairly or not) as a sulker that isn't a team leader.  Two plus years in, was this a good trade for the Bears, or is there any buyer's remorse setting in?
 
I would say that most fans are pretty reasonable when it comes to this situation, so there's generally not much buyer's remorse. Fan anger is typically pointed at the coaching staff and the front office for getting a QB, and thinking that they're done with their job. It's hard to be much of a QB when your scheme tells you that you have to take a seven step drop, and you have Frank "Gate 68" Omiyale swinging wide and loose, and a defensive end stepping on your chest around step five in your drop.
 
The toughness angle is, quite frankly, ridiculous. Why would a guy get brutalized all season long, take sack after sack, keep getting back up and going under center, and then just decide he didn't feel like it in the biggest game he had ever played in? Furthermore--why would you want a guy who obviously can't go in the game? Philip Rivers played in a game with two bad knees, and he was hailed as a tough gritty hero who put it all on the line, but in actuality, he really shouldn't have been on the field. He wasn't mobile, and it allowed the opponent to key in on their offense. As far as the "sulker" thing goes--welcome to TV, I guess. Yeah, you're not going to be happy when you're being manhandled, but the idea that he isn't talking with teammates and coaches is just silly. If you've seen a game in person, or you get the rare glimpse that FOX gives you when he is doing it, you'll see he's working with the coach, with Hanie, and trying to figure things out. He celebrates with guys when the D or Special Teams makes a play, and he's just as invested as anyone else.
 
The game against the Lions showed, I think, why you want Jay Cutler on your team. The offensive line was clearly not up for the challenge, so Jay did what he does best--got on the move. He got his feet going, got outside his crumbling (if even existent) pockets, and threw to the open guy. That's the type of QB he is--he's not a "throw to the spot" guy, he's a "trust my arm and get it to the guy" passer, and if we can get even a semblance of blocking and continued play like that, the Bears could still maybe make something of this season.
 
5.  A tough, hard nosed defense has been the backbone and identity of the Bears for almost my whole life, but this year they seem to have lost a step.  I just read that both safeties are being replaced this week for the Vikings game, and Julius Peppers might or might not play because of a knee injury.  The Bears have given up 24 or more points 4 straight games, and I can't remember the last time that happened.  Is this defense vulnerable, or is this a good defense that has just had more than their fair share of bad luck?
 
Both? This defense is like it always is: predicated on the front four. After showing up in Week 1 against the Falcons, they have more or less disappeared, and as a result, the defense suffers. Having a banged up secondary hasn't helped, either. Contain the big plays agains the Lions, and we could be talking about how the 3-2 Bears have new life after taking down the undefeated Detroit team. Alas, that's not the case, and now the man that we expect to set the tone for the defensive line is hobbled even more.

As far as the safeties go, they might as well, really. Brandon Merriweather showed us quickly why he was let go from the Patriots--you can't trust him. He doesn't play the game or the position correctly, choosing to go for the big hit (and bounce off) than to make a secure tackle. Chris Harris is hurt, and even when he isn't, isn't particularly that quick, and lets receivers get behind him more than a cover 2 safety should.
 
And really...this defense is getting old, from a player standpoint, and a scheme standpoint The playmakers are all on the wrong side of 30, and teams know that if you get extra bodies on the defensive line, you will have most of the day to be able to throw. With the right personnel, this scheme can still be effective--but they just don't make them like they used to.

Thanks again to Kev H and Windy City Gridiron.  Good luck this season...except this Sunday night, and whatever other time we play.

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Nice writeup. Solid questions.

Nice breakdown Kev. Very insightful.

This is a tricky matchup. I would normally say, like Kev, that if the Vikings can protect, then we should be able to throw all over them, but that’s obviously not the case. The Vikings traditionally don’t play as well on the road on grass. This is the biggest issue, to me. If we can’t run the ball, we are screwed. It’s that simple. DMac hasn’t shown the ability to get the ball down the field. Hell, he hasn’t shown the ability to simply get the ball into our playmaker’s hands without handing it off. This is going to be an issue. I fully expect the Bears, like every other team, to HOUND the lind of scrimmage and make damn sure Peterson doesn’t beat them. If the old McNabb doesn’t at least partially show up, the Bears win. I think our defense will actually give up some points. I expect Knox and Hester to have decent games with the underneath routes, but I’m actually to the point where I think Cook can shut down RoyWilliams. We need to stop Forte with our front 7. If we have to bring extra men forward to help with him, then Cutler will do enough to beat us.

I think the Vikings actually pull this one out 24-21. Special teams is going to be HUGE along with the injury to Peppers. If Peppers was playing at full strength, I wouldn’t want to make a prediction.

Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!

by DM_Purp on Oct 14, 2011 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks buddy.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers

by Kev H on Oct 14, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The real questin is which O line is worse and which D Line is better

I think this will be a war won in the trenches and how we’ve been playing I’m not sure we can win it. If they let Cutler move around in the back field more it could hamper Allen and Robison making plays on him. However if we can limit Cutler and more importantly limit Fortes catches I think we can take this game. We’re going to have to depend a lot on the defense for this and might need a turn over or two to help us along.

Nice write up and good answers, interesting he didn’t give a prediction on the final score of the game.

Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.

by Grime on Oct 14, 2011 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

23-14 Bears

I think we finally recall what run defense is, and McNabb isn’t enough to get it done through the air.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

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by Kev H on Oct 14, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a bit of a reach...

You really think your team is going to remember what run defense is against the best running back in the NFL?

I don’t disagree about McNabb… But AP is going to do what AP does, make opposing run defenses look silly. Especially when your Safeties have so many question marks and will have a hard time supporting your front seven against the run.

It will be a close one, division games almost always are, but I get the feeling this is going to be a high scoring game.

by Bjorno on Oct 14, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see where your coming from but honestly i don't think many people game plan against Detroits running game.

On the other hand it doesn’t look like the Bears are doing a great job vs the run against most teams they’ve played. On the other other hand most teams have a least a vestigial passing game… (vestigial like an extra hand… Ok I’m no Ted…)

Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.

by Grime on Oct 14, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't really understand or support all the Bears hatred

They are SO, SO much less annoying and offensive than the majority of their Packer brethren and fans. If we can’t do well, I’ll either cheer for them or the Lions. PACKERS SUCK. \:(

by Wytefang on Oct 14, 2011 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

My Dad used to live in Chicago

and I would go visit him for the summers. I developed a healthy dislike for all things Chicago sports.

Absolutely love the city itself, though. Went there on my honeymoon.

Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.

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by Ted Glover on Oct 14, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My hatred spews from

Around 85% of Chicago fans being completely out of touch with reality. They believe their team is the best and has no faults at all. Just too arrogant and cocky for me. But theres always those that arent like the writer of WCG

Ponder to Harvin for 6!

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 14, 2011 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah, I've only really seen that mainly in Packer fans

If anything…but we each have our own experiences, of course…

by Wytefang on Oct 14, 2011 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?
Around 85% of Chicago fans being completely out of touch with reality. They believe their team is the best and has no faults at all.

I dont know how a person could say that fans of a team who constantly complain about:

-Their “number 1” receiver is better at gestures than catching
-How we need a serious upgrade at OL
-The lack of production or a pass rush from anyone not named Julius Peppers
-A strong side linebacker who has played less snaps than our nickel corner(and this is early in games not when we are losing)
- no depth at linebacker
-lacking a number 2(and possibly a number 1)corner
-the AVERAGE at best safety play
-a “pro bowl” safety who works for free
-a wr corps that is completely useless without the SLOT GUY
-an out dated defensive scheme
-an offensive coordinator who is the modern day jekyll and hyde
-a GM who probably hasnt gotten the concept of i declare war let alone nfl football and whats needed to win

Could possible be the same fans that believe there team is the best and has no faults… maybe some people see those 1 or 2 fans that say things like that and decide to base their opinions off the few negative ones… IJS

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 15, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh and lets not forget

how Jack Ass, the GM for the Bears allowed Greg Olsen to be traded away to the carolina panthers because “he wasnt a great blocker”… only yo have 3 tight ends on the roster now who suck and blocking AND catching lls…

But we believe our team is the best

O__o

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 15, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

only to have... who suck at...

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 15, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's going by real life experience.

In my experiences, about 90% of the Bears fans I meet in real life are complete and utter douchebags when it comes to football. Naturally, that soured me to your team. This is not to say that the majority of you are, it’s just saying that I’ve had bad luck thus far.

by Mebera on Oct 15, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

All I gotta say is.

I really like Knox. That guy seems to catch my eye all the time.

by loafrat on Oct 15, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't meant to offend

You man. Like Mebera said below, I’m speaking from the people I’ve encountered. Living in Mineapolis, I only meet the Bear fans that have moved from Chicago. which isnt that many but still enough. In which my point stands, that 85% of them believe the Bears are the best team in the league every year. Now that doesnt mean that everyone else is a moron but Im just saying that the people Ive met are.

Ponder to Harvin for 6!

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Oct 16, 2011 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

i can dig that

I respect your OPINION but i also value the FACTS, To save time, lets just ASSume IM NEVER WRONG

by Tommy Ohyeah Mcduffie on Oct 16, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice work

This was a great article, on both sides. Theres a time for fightin’ and a time for talkin’! This was some good talking so hopefully Sunday we will see some good ol’ fashioned Viking/Bears fighting action!

by Jeremiah A on Oct 14, 2011 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

When both our teams kinda suck, we might as well at least be civil.

Took the 'G' out your waffle, all you got left is your Ego.

Editor at windycitygridiron.com | @KDoggers

by Kev H on Oct 14, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait

I always go watch the game with my father. His good buddy is a huge Bears fan and he is a really good guy. I can’t wait to just sit, drink a few brews, and bullshit with the group.

by loafrat on Oct 15, 2011 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

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