The High Point of the Low Point? The Start of a New Era.
On the off chance you've been wondering why I've been so scarce here at DN lately, it's largely because finding time to write now that my twenty-two-month-old niece is in residence has been a challenge. Yesterday I tried to check my email and she commandeered my laptop so she could watch Elmo videos. Have you ever tried to get between a toddler and Elmo videos? I wouldn't recommend it. During the Vikings' loss in Kansas City, baby girl decided to feed me crackers during a critical Vikings' fourth down situation. When I'm trying to read the sports page this fiendishly cute, blue-eyed, blond-curled monster interrupts me for an alphabet sing-off. To say that my focus is split is something of an understatement. I have no idea how my very efficient sister gets anything done with this little kid around.
So that's my excuse for my lack of football focus, but I have no idea what the Minnesota Vikings' excuse is for Sunday night's blowout 39-10 loss to the Chicago Bears. The visiting Vikings weren't able to do the things that they normally do well, like stopping opposing running games, and the Bears were good at things they have struggled with previously this season, like protecting Jay Cutler. It was all of the bad things you might expect, like Devin Hester returning the ball for a touchdown, with relatively little of the good stuff Vikings fans have been crossing their fingers and hoping for.
Against the Arizona Cardinals on week five, the Vikings seemed to take a step forward as a team--winning will do that. However, after seeing how they played Sunday night against the Bears I can't help wondering if the Arizona game was more the result of the Cardinals collapsing than the Vikings stepping up. Facing a 1-5 season full of inconsistency, the Vikings' next opponent will be the consistently successful Green Bay Packers.
And, it's into that emotionally charged atmosphere against divisional rivals who just happen to be the reigning Super Bowl champions, that Christian Ponder will get his first NFL start. Swell.
More after the jump.
At the beginning of the season I was okay with the idea of using Donovan McNabb as a stopgap. Given the Vikings' offensive line troubles, I wasn't crazy about the idea of the Vikings putting their quarterback of the future out there to be pummeled into hamburger by opposing defenses before he even gets his feet under him. But six weeks into the season with the Vikings in the NFC North basement, McNabb hasn't proven himself as a solid game manager, let alone someone who could make a miracle happen and turn this season around. Not only that, but the poor guy has gotten so unpopular with Vikings fans that McNabb has replaced Bernard Berrian as the face you'd most like to see on a milk carton all without being snide to a war hero legislator who supports the Vikings' stadium efforts.
Last Sunday when the Vikings put in Christian Ponder in the fourth quarter I got the feeling that McNabb, except in the case of Ponder being injured, was done for the season. Unless the landscape of the NFC North changes dramatically because a meteor hits both the Packers and Lions' team planes, the chances of the Vikings being in contention for even a playoff Wild Card slot are nil. The Vikings might as well see what Ponder can do--it isn't as if he's going to ass up a winning season.
I don't think even the sunniest optimist out there expects Ponder to be able to suddenly lead the Vikings to winning record, but with a rookie, even with a loss you can see hope for improvement and positives. Right now, that's more than we had with McNabb as starter. It's a reason to get excited, interested at the least, in the future of the franchise.
The Vikings desperately need their fans to believe the franchise is improving and that there are positives to be seen. With the press for a new stadium heading into the final stretch, Governor Mark Dayton has called for a special session of the Minnesota legislature to address the stadium proposal. One would hope that the legislators aren't going to vote for or against a stadium based on the teams record or the current popularity of the starting quarterback, but it still doesn't look good for the team to have an all-out fan revolt.
The decision to start Christian Ponder on Sunday against the Packers does more than just create interest and prevent Donovan McNabb from being beaten to death with Helga horns, it lowers expectations. The Vikings organization brought in a veteran quarterback because they said that with the talent currently on the roster the Vikings could still be competitive. Starting a rookie quarterback, no matter how the Vikings might try to spin it, says rebuilding. Fans aren't surprised by losing records during rebuilding seasons.
So, if the cute blond tyrant (a.k.a. baby niece) allows it, I'm going to lower my expectations and enjoy seeing Christian Ponder start a new era for the Vikings. Could it really be any worse than the previous one?
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I envy your incredible ability to write interesting articles.
I blame my lack of fine article writing on my AD- wait what’s that? Okay anyway, I agree with everything you said SkolGirl, and I still hold hope that maybe the Vikings can pull this upset. Wishful thinking? Oh yes, as a Vikings fan that is one thing I have been able to gain. I stopped watching games seriously this season after we lost to Kansas City. (I say this, but when the Vikings where down 16-0 on the Bears, I was screaming obscenities at my television set.) Here’s to hoping the Allen Wrecking crew can make Rodgers well acquainted with the Metrodome turf :)
Made me laugh
I blame my lack of fine article writing on my AD- wait what’s that?
Bravo
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
Thanks PurpleEaters :)
I’m crossing my fingers for the Vikings/Packers match-up on Sunday too. The Packers are currently undefeated and playing good football, but it isn’t flawless football. If the Vikings are going to be able to be the Packers at all this season, then it seems more likely to happen at the Metrodome than in Green Bay. While the Packers offensive line has given Aaron Rodgers good pass protection, they’ve been less effective at igniting a running game. If the Vikings can harass the Packers’ receivers and make the Packers run the ball it could keep things close. Fingers-crossed :)
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Gus Ferotte
Not a huge arm, but strong enough. Definitely spread the wealth much like Ferotte used to. He will be a little harder for defenses to figure out if he keeps being impartial and uses everyone.
However he was much more elusive than Ferotte in the pocket and I was severely impressed and in awe over his pocket presense. He hardly looked surprised and was evading the rush incredibly well.
Pocket Presence
It was hard to get a good feel for Ponder after two series, which were throw away series for the Bears, but the one thing that did stick out was his pocket presence. He seemed to feel the pressure, while keeping his eyes down field. This is a nice change from the T-Jack experiment.
one thing that gets me about this 'throw away series'
is why did the bears bring pressure 10 times when they’re up 29 points?
classy chicago, classy
when asked by Dan Patrick if his name alluded to not making quick decisions in the pocket, Ponder calmly replied "As crazy as it sounds, my mom's maiden name is actually Superbowlwinner. All one word"
Unlike the Vikings,
The Bears learned from the Vikings’ first 3 games….you can’t ever let up.
Seriously, though, I think it was probably a combination of pride, padding stats, evaluating different defensive plays as well as setting the tone for the next time we play them.
I think the Bears learned that lesson long before that
say about 4 years ago, when they gave up 34 points in the 4th quarter and lost to the Lions.
No slogans. Just win!!!
I'm actually thankful for it
More practice for Ponder. I’d say he passed the pressure drill test well enough.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 19, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't blame them at all
I’m actually glad. Ponder seemed to have some success throwing on their first team, not their scrubs. It was good experience for him, even without the threat of AD, except for a couple plays, then they pulled AP. I said before in another thread, he made Greg Camarillo look like a true #2 WR. I couldn’t believe it. Don’t tell me for a second those WRs were more motivated after getting their asses handed to them all game long. My guess is they played how they’ve been playing all season long, but Ponder could put the ball in their hands and allow them to make plays. Once Ponder avoided the pressure, it didn’t seem like we were pulling teeth just to get a first down.
I heard a talking head yesterday bring up an important point: You can’t hide your QB. It’s the Sanchez Syndrome. The TJack Terror. The McNabb Misery. During the course of a football game, your QB will show his true colors and he will have the ability to win or lose the game. We have found out far too much about McNabb and I’m glad we’ve moved on.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
I agree in that sense of Ferotte though Johnson was like that too.
The thing that reminded me of of the main man Fran is his ability to move. His first couple passes he was getting calmed down and ran right away but after that he kept his eyes down field.
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 19, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Vision
I really liked how Christian Ponder managed to keep his eyes down field too. Considering the injuries to the Vikings’ offensive line in the Chicago game, it seemed fairly likely that Ponder would have to run for his life quite a bit, even so, he still seemed to be making reads. That seemed like a positive.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Since I was too P.O.’ed to watch past the third QTR. I missed the Ponder era beginning . And I cannot confirm or deny accusations that I was drinking heavily in the first Half…….and Halftime l……and mostly in the 3rd QTR.
If you missed our first regular season look at Ponder on Sunday night...
Then you’re going to really be interested in what happens this coming Sunday at the Metrodome. It might not be pretty, but it will certainly be interesting.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
I missed it too
That and a combination of being too young to see (or remember) Tark, Kramer, Wilson (or Gannon in his Vikings years) and not being able to see many Vikings games due to living in Cali so I couldn’t see much of Johnson (but do remember DC), I am not eligible to vote. Hopefully he ends up closer to Tark by the time all is said and done.
Dear Vikings Offensive Line: Please don't let our QB (whomever it happens to be) get killed.
Write in vote for Elmo!
You know, whatever you’re doing Skol Girl, you have an ENTIRE web site full of men who support you no matter what you’re doing. This season is pretty much lost division wise. So watching Ponder makes the season interesting if nothing else. And not only at the QB position. Hopefully Frazier will play many of our younger guys, not so much in give up mode but in a mode that says we are looking toward the future. The special legislative session gives me hope, and this new stadium is going to happen I think. These guys (and girls) in the Minny legislature know what’s at stake.
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Thanks Abba :)
If I have an ENTIRE web site full of guys supporting me, does that mean I can call on you to go beat up the guy who just broke my heart? Oh, there’s a funny image, a bunch of DN readers knocking on his door. That just might make me giggle all day.
You’re so right, division-wise, the Vikings are toast. I’m kind of surprised that the Vikings didn’t make any moves before yesterday’s trade deadline because, with the team clearly headed for significant rebuilding, there is going to have to be some serious roster churn. Veteran players like Cedric Griffin, Visanthe Shiancoe, and even Kevin Williams could end up on the trading block so the Vikings can start hoarding draft picks for revamping the roster. At least we’ll get to see Christian Ponder and, if Bill Musgrave is smart, we’ll see more of Kyle Rudolph. I really like what I’ve seen of Rudolph so far.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
wow, that came off as incredibly rude. I apologize
It’s difficult for me to wrap my head around Ponder looking like the butterball that is Culpepper.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
hes been running for his life.
name one fsu lineman thats starting in the nfl from ponders time there.move slide your rump , just for minute lets all do the bump. hes used to pocket collapse .
Correct, sir.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 19, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good to know Ponder is used to playing without a lot of protection...
He won’t be able to miss what he hasn’t had. I hope the Vikings are working with Ponder on his ability to slide, he may need it.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Good point about the sliding
But he almost always beats the defense to the corner so he just runs out of bounds
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
the thing i noticed
was, ponder even running for his life hit receivers in stride. give him time in the pocket and watch out! (this was written with my 13 month old in my lap, so I fully understand your situation, one hand typing slows ya right down)
Try to learn from others mistakes because there just is not enough time in this world to make them all your self
by montana vikes fan on Oct 19, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions
I think you're right...
When Ponder is able to put the ball in his receivers’ hands while running for his life, it really makes me wonder what he’d be capable of if he had time, protection, and a genuine deep threat receiver. Granted, this is the NFL we’re talking about an very few quarterbacks consistently have all of those things, but it gives me hope.
Is your 13-month-old cruising and walking? Man, everything changed when my niece started walking—you suddenly realize just how much more baby-proofing you need to do.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
He
was walking at 9 months seeing his older brother (3.5 years) made him hate crawling, only did it for about a month then it was walking and running. This happened a little before he was ready as he has used his head to stop his fall way too often, looking like a prize fighter half the time.
Try to learn from others mistakes because there just is not enough time in this world to make them all your self
by montana vikes fan on Oct 20, 2011 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL baby prize fighter
My niece started walking just a little after she turned 1 and had a big ol’ bruise on her face for her birthday. Makes me wince a bit to look at the pictures.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
F#@k the Bears & the Packers
This is the NFL any team can beat any team on any given Sunday. The reason the Vikes looked like shit against the Bears was because they wanted it more. Their season was going down the drain just like ours has. They made the Vikings game their last chance to turn their season around. 3-3 you can salvage 2-4 not so much. The Vikes playing inspired football can win some games. We are not going anywhere this year that’s for sure but if Ponder’s the real deal & we get a solid draft we will be competitive again next season.
Right on the button IR
They looked lifeless. No focus. No passion(except for a probably Percy, AP, and JA). Those guys always seem to go 100 MPH. My faith in Greenway is slipping with each passing week. I want to seem him get real agressive. I want him to show me he can shed a block in the hole and make the stop. He’s playing like it’s amateur hour. I don’t know where that frustration came from but it’s somethign that I’ve been seeing more and more of lately. He looks pathetic.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
I'm kind of surprised at Greenway too.
Heading into this season I expected that he’d keep up the kind of aggressive, high-motor playing that got him a franchise tag, but the linebacker who seems to be really coming on is Erin Henderson. I don’t know if Greenway has an undisclosed injury or what, but he certainly isn’t as dominant as he used to be and that is concerning.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Yeah, and I didn't mean to have it sound like he's not trying or anything
but it really looks like he’s just getting owned. I think he, along with the Hendersons are missing PhatPat.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
I loved Tommy Kramer.
I think he’ll always be on of my all-time favorites. Of course, that might be the result of imprinting because Kramer was the Vikings quarterback I grew up watching.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Joe Kapp was our QB when I took the purple pill,
but Kramer is still my favorite Viking QB to date. When he was on, he was the best pure passer ever to wear the horns… hands down.
I loved how Kramer responded to pressure.
He ran a great two minutes of football.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Missed the start of Ponder era because a certain fiendishly cute 3 yr old tyrant wanted to read Monkeys on the Bed book!
As for writing: Thou must not procras
Those tiny tyrants...
They won’t take no for an answer. Even without polish or protection, on Sunday night you could see why Christian Ponder got the Vikings’ attention. Should be interesting to see what he does against the Packers.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
HA!
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 19, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Frasier's hands were tied
He said what he had to say in the presser, but there is no way after seeing Ponder come in and at least hit some receivers in stride, sell play action even with 0 threat of running the ball, and not be sacked, fumble, or throw an interception that he was going to start McNabb at home against the Packers. There probably would be a riot every time McNabb threw an incompletion. Even with McNabb having a stellar completion percentage in the last game, he still didn’t do what we need him to do, and that’s get first downs on 3rd downs and stretch the field. You know why we won vs Arizona? We got to play on a 50 yard field 4 times in the first quarter. That’s probably not going to happen very often. What was our best series in the Chicago game? It was after the strip sack and fumble recovery, giving us a short field where McNabb doesn’t have to throw downfield. Ponder hitting those zippy 20 yard passes and catching players in stride will absolutely help pull the top off the defense and let us actually work a drive that starts on our own 20.
Son of a crap.
Start PONDER*** at home against the Packers. Second note: Frasier knew if he didn’t put Ponder in, Packers fans would outnumber Vikes fans at the Dome.
by VikesFanDan on Oct 19, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nice write up.
But personally he reminded me of Sir Francis no one else has those kinds of moves. When he was bobbing and weaving in the completely disintegrating pocket I was hella impressed. Also, I liked that he came out and immediately ran the ball for a first. It was a solid move and told the defense they had to respect him as a run threat as well as a passing one. Then he kept his wits and passed well, making sure we understood that he’s not just there to scamper.
The only thing that worried me about him out there is he on his second run when he went up the middle he ended it by going down head first.. you might get away with that in college, but if people see it in the NFL he’ll be on the injured reserve in no time…
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Thanks Grime :)
If Ponder doesn’t start sliding after a run, his playing days are going to be really short—you nailed it, in the NFL you just can’t get away with that. I liked what we saw of Ponder on Sunday night, but I think everyone was just thrilled that he wasn’t McNabb. We’ll get a better look at him this coming Sunday. Hopefully, that will restore some interest, excitement, and hope in this franchise.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
One quarter of one game, and he's already Fran Tarkenton?
Yeah, I’ll buy that. :)
SKOL!!!!!!
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
He's pretty shifty
I thought he looked a little bit like Fran when he was running for his life out of the pocket…he throws a pretty ball, too. Not saying he’ll be anything like Fran, but…there were some moments!! :D
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain
SKOL VIKINGS!
I'm as big a Tark fan there is/was
and Tark, for all his talents, didn’t throw a pretty ball. It got there, much like a fat guy gets to the buffet—a bit wobbly, makes you wince a little, but at the end of the day, it was damn effective.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
There's a haunting image.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
From the Frogger re-enactment that happened Sunday night
I think he’s got better moves than Culpepper did, and not the same ability to shrug off tackles that he had. As for the rest of em it makes me sad that they are the only things we have to compare him with..
Although he did kind of remind me of Spergon when he chucked the long ball.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Eh, good point on Splurgin' He seemed to be just trying to get rid of some of those balls
Not willing to take a sack. I like that. Quick release. There’s really only one through that I was a little disappointed in. That was the throw that he avoided the rush and scrambled right and threw across his body and it was a couple feet behind Camarillo who would have had an all-world catch if he had gotten it. Other than that, it seemed like a few times he was simply throwing the ball away and getting rid of it. I mean, he still had a ton of pressure in his face. Who knows what that will do over the long haul. Hopefully he doesn’t start ducking and diving and curling up like someone else I’ve seen.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
How does your sister get stuff done?
By having the cute “Monster” go to her Auntie. I’ve got a 3 yr old as well, and my wife and I have been contemplating getting a laptop so we can use the computer.
That said, I think it’s too early to draw comparisons between Ponder and anyone else…except maybe Webb in his performances last year.
True that.
I was pressed into babysitting duty tonight. Again. It’s a good thing I like the little monster.
Going to be interesting to see how Sunday goes for Ponder. There’s going to be the temptation for all of us to read too much or too little into it.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
I think Ponder...
reminds me of Ponder.
Here is to a new era…good or bad.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 19, 2011 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll drink to that.
To be honest, I don’t even need “that” to drink. Actually, I have been drinking for a while now. Maybe I’ll stop drinking to “that”.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
Bitterness
Not because the Vikings lost. I’m used to that. I know how to bare my teeth in a death-rictus while facing down 40-point blow-outs, this was a cake-walk.
I’m bitter because the last few games were not televised where I could see them so I haven’t had a Vikings football fix in a good 3 weeks. And I missed seeing Ponder get his first real taste of the NFL. Bitter.
To cap it off…. while I can be as optimistic at the next Viking fan, in the face of a 1000’ tall tidal wave of Your-Playoff-Hopes-Are-Dying, 1-5 is pretty much it. This year is now relegated to enjoying the individual triumphs of Vikings on the field, praying our guys stay healthy for another run next year, hoping to see more new guys get some play time and a chance to prove themselves, and look at the strategery for trades, the draft, and FA.
Hearing about how Ponder looked, from everyone here on the DN, has been a very bright spot in this bleak Vikings season. Hopefully there’ll be some good replay action on youTube soon :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Heh, those highlights *are* already up!
Fast. Very, very fast work.
Unfortunately, there were only about 5 Ponder-passes to look at, but from what I saw, the accuracy is right there, as is his ability to read the D and find the gaps. His throws are very pretty spirals and they’re fast enough out to 20 yards but I didn’t see anything beyond that. I loved the quick release and the way he adapted to that one crappy hike that sent the ball above his head.
The only thing that gave me some concern was that his throws weren’t very powerful. His 20 yard pass to Harvin was good, but I was honestly surprised it wasn’t intercepted because it almost floated. I hope that his arm strength can be improved so that he picks up his ball speed.
I did see some Tark-like flashes in his moves, tho, and I liked his chutzpah on the long 1st down situations. Can’t wait to see more :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
I don't actually own cable (TV is for the devil)
but catching them online isn’t a bad alternative if you’re not up for the local pub. If you feel bad about that you can always listen to them on the internet via the radio feed (which is legal)
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Just south of DC, actually
I hunted for the games up and down the ‘guide’ and couldn’t find them. Seems like we got a lot more respect (viewer capability) when the Viking were winning. No doubt it’ll be on this week as a Packer’s game.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Nova Vikes
If you haven’t, you might want to join the Nova Vikes fan club to watch the game. They used to get a pretty good crowd to watch the game at Mackey’s in Crystal City (and before that Tortoise & Hare/Stars & Stripes). It looks like they’ve moved on Sine next to the Pentagon City Mall: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/novavikes/
They get the venue to play sound for the game, so it beat your average bar option.
Thanks!
Looks like I’ll have to check ’em out! :)
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
The game on Sunday was on a nationwide broadcast TV.
NBC to be exact. Surely you have an NBC affiliate just south of DC. But then again you were spared what the rest of us endured.
Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.
Throwing on the run
is going to save this guy’s life on more than one occasion. He’s got some bob-n-weave to him, and I like it.
I never saw the 4th quarter
I couldn’t make it past the first half of that game without fear of having to buy a new tv. However from what I have heard it seems he was a lot like Tarkenton and Cunningham
I'm not sure abotu Cunningham
He had a great long ball and I’m not sure Ponder has shown us that.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
sounds like you never got your vikings brick back in the 80s.
foam brick all purple with vikings on it . saved a couple tvs in my time as vikes fan.
He really doesn't remind of of any former Vikes QB
He reminds me of Steve Young, but right-handed. I know that’s not a new comparison, but I think it’s the closest I’ve heard.
That's what I thought
Unfortunately Gannon was pretty bad as a Viking and didn’t turn himself into a good QB until late in his career.
Yup, a rightie Steve Young
Super quick feet, can throw darts on the run, in stride to the receiver. Now, can Bill Musgrave design an offense to utilize an inexperience, right handed Steve Young? That might seem like an easy assignment, but remember how Steve Young’s career got started, on an absolutely awful Tampa Bay team. Many remember Steve Young in his glory days with the 49ers, but in fact, he spent the first few years of his career running for his life on a team whose offensive line was about like the Vikings today. Even if Christian Ponder is a right handed Steve Young, that does not mean he will be a winning quarterback. Not on this team. I’m not sure any NFL quarterback could win half his games with this offensive line and a below average receiving corps.
Offensive Coordination
Now, can Bill Musgrave design an offense to utilize an inexperience, right handed Steve Young?
It’ll be interesting to see. Musgrave got my hopes up when he got to Minny, talking about designing an offense around the players’ capabilities, but I haven’t seen any sign of that yet. Fingers crossed.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
You're right jimbo, he did struggle and fail to impress early.
Once he got to San Fran behind Montana many people didn’t think he would be able to step-up when his time came. I expect that Ponder will struggle, and he will need better talent on the O-line. The Steve Young comparison is only a comparison of similar physical traits and abilities. It surely doesn’t guarantee similar success.
Exactly
The Steve Young comparison is only a comparison of similar physical traits and abilities. It surely doesn’t guarantee similar success.
We have to use HOFers to make our point. It’s not like we can say, “Ponder reminds me of a young [insert awful QB in the eighties that no one’s ever heard of]” It’s just to make the comparison because you know the skillset that he’s trying to compare.
I think Ponder could remind me, size, stature, mobility of a young Drew Brees. They’re both little guys that throw a really nice ball. They can run a little, but their MO is accuracy.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
Ponder's a little like Tarkenton
Of course, Tark was famous for scrambling backwards in a big, random arc with lots of twists and turns. Doug Flutie was the most similar to Tarkenton. Vick is a little like that, with even more speed and a lot more powerful arm, but less precision. Ponder clearly is a gifted scrambler, but he doesn’t appear to swerve towards his own goal, not much anyway. His arm is a little stronger than Tarkenton’s, and I think his accuracy will be similar.
The most encouraging thing I saw was that Ponder eluded the rush every time, then usually delivered a catchable ball, in stride. That’s a huge improvement over McNabb, who no longer can move and deliver an accurate pass. As for comparisons to Rich Gannon, that makes sense if you’re thinking of Gannon later in his career, when he appeared to have better accuracy. Early on Gannon was frustratingly inconsistent. I think it was John Gruden that got Gannon to move his feet better after he went to the Raiders. Ponder already has excellent footwork, and his throwing mechanics are beautiful.
Was Ponder checking down his recievers?
The highlights only gave me 5 plays to look at and I wasn’t sure if he was doing checking down (not that he had much time to do that). I don’t think he was staring anyone down because the Bears didn’t seem to see his throws coming until it was too late.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
he was more staring them down
Which will get him picked as well :p
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
A reason to keep watching
Love the decision to put the kid in and see what he’s got. Quite the baptism of fire this weekend, but nothing like jumping in headfirst! It makes a season that otherwise would be difficult to watch now worth watching. My only hope is that the O-line and his own mobility keep him healthy so that we get the full 10 games to assess the front office’s draft prowess on this pick.
I worry that it will be a little Stafford-esque
I haven’t taken the criticism seriously that Matthew Stafford was fragile his first two seasons in the league. Stafford got hit like a punching bag on a pretty regular basis his first two seasons because he had so little protection. Ponder is in a similar boat right now because the offensive line starters have been underperforming and then in Chicago John Sullivan and Phil Loadholt both left the game with injuries. It’s a good thing that Ponder can throw on the run—he’s going to need to.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
The Daily Norseman
Yes, that's the concern for sure
His legs will be a more reliable source of protection than his O-line. Hope they hold up.
he does not believe it but it could be true
LF does not really believe it when he says he gives us the best chance to win, but it may be true. I saw almost as many balls hit the recievers at the numers in two drives than I had in 6 games with McBounce. The guy can run. The guy want to prove himself and win.
Both lines need to get angry and embarresed from last weeks play and play better to give the kid a chance. Now we get to find out what type of TEAM we have and what type of COACHES we have.
SCREEN BABY SCREEN
I agree with the one post he already sells the run better that McBounce
McBounce said all the right things and then made a pitch for being the #2 guy. I know I am just one hit away from going in. (IN realtiy if Ponder does go down the staff should turn to WEB the reason for bringing in McBounce is over and failed.
Good point ZZ
I disagree a little. I think LF does in fact realizes that Ponder gives us a better chance than McNabb. He saw his improvement from Preseason to this past Sunday and saw the offense run the best it has all season(through the air). He saw Ponder putting the ball on the #s and in stride. Also, he saw us picking up first downs. We didn’t score(went on 4th down twice and couldn’t convert), but we did move the chains a little. Without Peterson in there, the offense looked like it could go through Ponder, as opposed to McNabb simply being a fascilitater(sp?)
The best part? The Bears were blitzing and trying to get pressure on Ponder(which they did) and he handled it beautifully. Like I said before, that would have been 2 field goals we would have gotten. Not sure if we were technically in the RedZone, but that’s basically two RZ visits in two possessions. Pretty successful so far if you ask me.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
I was one,,,
I was one,,, that thought the McNabb acquistion was a smart move while Ponder (with no off-season otas or camp) sat and learned.. Thought we could have had a better record. Glad to see him getting the start in light of an abysmal record. But what is with the helmet that he and a few other players are wearing? I mean who thought that cutting the logo in half was a good idea. Really? I think it is used to help prevent concusions. If so, why isn’t Aaron Rodgers wearing one. Also, I have noticed that other teams, such as the rams, seahawks, patriots, chargers, and bills are not wearing that type of helmet. Presumably, because it would deface their logo. Why are the Vikings doing
I've always wondered
why the Steeler’s only use their logo on the on the one side of the helmet. Cheap bastards!
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Totally cheap bastards. I thought for sure you were going to say "pondered"
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
There will be a shiny new functional stadium in LA
If they want to move there, the Lakers did and look at all the success they’ve had.

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