Bernard Berrian Era Is OVAH!
by Ted Glover on Oct 25, 2011 12:48 PM CDT
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PrintYes, Vikings fans, our long, national nightmare is over:
Bernard Berrian got a visit from The Turk a little while ago.
Although Berrian was a highly prized free agent, and had nearly 1,000 yards in his first season with the Vikings, his tenure ended, well, like this guy:
Bernard Berrian* leaves Winter Park** after getting his release
*Might not be Bernard Berrian
**Probably not Winter Park, but that dumpster fire gives me pause that it is.
He came to the Vikings as a deep threat, and really only lived up to that billing once, which we'll get to in a minute, but with the signing of Brett Favre and an injury in training camp in 2009, his production slipped and he never really re-gained the form that made him a decent wide receiver in his prime.
The wheels came off in 2010 and especially this year, as the faith Leslie Frazier placed in him to regain his deep threat form never materialized. He caught more flak over a Twitter war than he did passes, and with his deactivation twice in the last three weeks, it became apparent that the writing was on the wall for the man who calls him self B-Twice, which now means buh bye.
His time is done, and yeah, although we've come to bag on him here because of his general craptasticness, laziness, and notgiveacrappus, we will leave you with this fond moment from Sunday Night Football against the Bears, 2008:
Say what you want about the man, this was awesome.
Oh, and Chris Cook, our erstwhile CB who spent the weekend in jail, was charged with domestic felonious assault after he allegedly beat his girlfriend bloody in a jealous rage over the weekend.
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But have they dropped Cook?
Sorry, but I thought when he was actually thrown to, IE from Ponder the game before, he caught the ball well. He only had 10 tosses to him in the previous 5 games.
I know im alone in the fact I think BB was a good receiver when he was thrown to, but I also understand there are off the field issues making him undesirable.
Cook however, how does he still have a job?
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Actually,
before that game, I believe he had caught 2 passes out of 16 thrown his way. That’s pretty terrible.
I mean, so far this year, he has 7 catches and he’s been thrown at 23 times. That’s a 30.4% catch rate. Now, compare that to the guys he’s “supposed” to be better than. Judging by the fact that he’s in the starting line up. Michael Jenkins has 27 catches and he’s been thrown at 38 times for a catch rate of 71.1%. Percy Harvin has pretty much the same as Jenkins. 27 catches and thrown at 38 times for 71.1%.
The guy more than doubled his season catches in one game. And he only had 5 catches in the game. Add in the problems he’s making off the field, he definitely deserves to be cut.
Again, there are reasons why he wasn't thrown to
And some of them are him.
Are you serious, LeeleeX?
How about I call your employer and tell them that you tried choking someone and should be fired.
You’d no doubt say, “but I didn’t do it, that’s not fair!”
And yet, you can’t see anything wrong with doing the same to someone else? Seriously. One of the reasons America is a great country is because we don’t allow law enforcement to just proclaim soneone guilty of a crime and lock them up. We give people DUE PROCESS. You know, “innocent until proven guilty”?
For real. WTF is your problem with that? Were you there? Are you saying he must be guilty because he’s black and you’re a racist? Or because he’s a southerner? You see how offensive that is to be labeled? Don’t do it to someone else if you don’t like it.
oh get over yourself
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I think that's taking it a little too far.
But I guess I can see where you’re coming from. I don’t think he ever said that he thought he was guilty because he was black or because he was southern, though. Maybe you’re really, really good at reading between the lines, because I didn’t see anything at all like that in his comment.
I mean, it’s totally fine to call out someone who’s legitimately being racist, because that’s messed up. But it’s not cool to accuse someone of being racist when there’s really no basis for it at all.
Easy tiger.
Listen, I hear your point about giving Cook due process. And I’m sure he will be given that before the Vikings make any decisions on him. But to acuse LeeleeX of being racist, or anti-southerner, is completely out of line and uncalled for, seeing as how LeeleeX didn’t make any comments whatsoever along those lines. Quite frankly, to take things that far pushes the limits on user rights.
In the future, if you wish to defend the possibility of Cook’s innocence, or to claim that we should not judge him before the actual judicial system does, by all means please go ahead- that’s completely within your right, it’s a solid argument, and totally falls within the guidelines for commentary here. But do not call someone out for being racist, or anything else, without any source for said accusations whatsoever.
I'm at a loss for words. Daily Norseman
for the record..
Im from Texas, and live in Arkansas….yes thats hard to admit, but the property values here are fabulous!
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Hey I live in Arkansas too! Hmm I think we've had this convo before though.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 26, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Lol
Ya youre like down the hwy 67 from me by about 10 miles :P
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I stay in Little Rock as of now
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 26, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I will agree that if he is found Guilty
And if his actions are as bad as they seem that he has no place being on a football field for quite some time. If this is the case though the court system should keep him from playing football. In my mind it is worse when the attacker is someone who is physically fit as the damage has the potential to be that much worse. However we should hold back judgement until the story further materializes and until he gets his trial.
You think thats funny?
He threw her around the room and tried to strangle her for taking a phone call from an ex…
He should of been cut 2 days ago.
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due course....of course....needs to tske place.
but yes, i think “bitchslap” is a funny nickname for him.
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You really need to look up the definition of "funny"
Part of it is: “domestic violence is never this.”
i'm not saying that domestic violence is funny. but that cook looks like an idiot.
p.s. domestic violence is bad. i hope that clears it up for ya.
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Anything worth taking seriously is worth making fun of. Laugh or cry.
We are not putting any blame on the victim and are not letting the accused off the hook, rather it is the opposite.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 25, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
worth making fun of...
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/shamwow-guy-slap-chop-bust
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good one....that led me to this little beauty...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLP19hQmVHU&feature=related
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Oh please....
stop with the domestic violence lecture. No reasonable person thinks domestic violence is okay, but am I the only one here that thinks this is getting a little crazy, with all the “OMG, he allegedly beat his girlfriend, cut him, how can we have a player on our…wait for it….FOOTBALL team like this…”
Just stop, get off of the soapbox, and realize that people have been accused, arrested, found guilty, found not guilty of these same offenses and not lost thier jobs….in congress, the senate…etc.. he plays football, is 24, and may have made a bad mistake. If he did, he will pay for it with the courts and with some large settlement.
I really dont see why we automatically have to cut him for this. Just for perspective other take a second to consider the number of players who have committed far more egregious crimes…
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
She was covered in blood
With hand marks around her neck. Im sorry im offending you by thinking the Vikings should not be associated with someone like that.
But hey, keep defending him, im sure hes a class act.
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I'm not defending him...
rather calling for a little common sense. Believe me, I understand this subject very well, and have arrested probably 100’s of people for the same or similar offenses; but my point is that being a good footall player, and producing for our team has little to nothing to do with his criminal arrest.
If every person who committed an act of violence automatically lost thier job, we would have a decent portion of our population without work.
Similarly, I have personally seen several instances where people are covered in blood and yet they were the aggressor.
Lastly, all you know about the case is what you have read in the media and possibly the allegations (if they have been released with the complaint). The media often takes and makes things appear different than they actually were (I.E. I was at a homicide involving a gun, and the media at the scene said that wasn’t sexy enough and tried to make the story something it wasn’t involving a blunt force weapon….completely bull).
So yeah, with all that said, get off your box and get back into reality. Cook is young and dumb, and just got arrested for the same offense most often associated with NFL players (I looked up the stats). He may be a problem in the future if this is indicative of his overall personality, but that is yet to be proven, and he hasn’t really displayed a track record of this same offense before. Save the argument that he was allegedly involved with brandishing a firearm before, because those allegations were not sustained in any way.
Think rather about the Moon’s, Vick’s (whom I dealt with on more than one occasion on the street), Taylor’s, Merriman’s, Irvin’s, etc…yes, deplorable people, but you don’t need to like him as a person to have him play pro football well.
let’s not handicap our team for this one alleged offense. The offense will take care of that through the courts, prison’s, and probation officers.
nuff’ said…
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by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
so for the sake of the team
You think he should play?
Sorry, I dont.
The evidence speaks for itself.
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Did you collect the evidence?
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you even know the person who did?
or just following what people tell you?
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Honestly, with the FELONY charges...
I would say he needs to be suspended indefinitely. Then gather what facts the Vikings can gather in the meantime and figure a more definite suspension or, if warranted, lift the suspension from there. I’m sorry, but if a guy can’t play in a game because he’s still in jail, he needs to be suspended and the time needs to be taken to sort out the situation. Personally, I don’t know why ANY of the Vikings players/coaches/owner would want him on the field until they find out more about the situation anyways.
White Horn Gold Pants
Ok so what if he's proven innocent?
Not saying in this case he will be, but there is due process for a reason. How about if an ex girl friend of yours in a jealous rage goes to the cops and tells them you raped her. You didn’t but you also didn’t know she was nuttier than a squirrel turd. You get put in jail get fired from your job what not then they find out she was not telling the truth. Do you think you have the right to sue your employer for over reacting? I would say you would have an excellent case. Due process, it’s there for a reason.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Why?
Your employment is most likely at will, so they can fire you for any nondiscriminatory reason, and as a private entity no due process is required. And as for Cook, the league has a personal conduct policy that has been applied before in the absense of a conviction.
Wrongful termination can still apply in an at will environment
If you don’t think so then check out how many times your employer needs to write someone up before termination can be considered. Paper trails help everyone.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Yes, that's the "nondiscriminatory" part
And the documentation is about building a defense should you ever attempt to argue that you were fired for an unlawful reason. But that doesn’t mean your boss can’t fire you for no reason at all. He’s just taking the risk that you can convince a jury that he did have a reason and it was unlawful.
Of course, “he was arrested for a felony, in jail and missed work” is a perfectly lawful reason, regardless of whether he is acquitted. And again there is the personal conduct policy that he may have violated even if he’s acquitted.
And we will leave it at that until we know more...
than we can debate it again.
One thing I know, based upon his play this year, if we let him go…he will be playing for someone else next year.
If he never gets convicted, never does time, and never commits another offense than we will look like we used the hammer a little too quick.
If your good with that also, than we will agree to disagree.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no problem agreeing to disagree
And im more then happy to admit im going off the complaint, the written evidence from the officers on the scene and the mutlitude of articles about it.
Im also going from personal experience. If we keep him, we look like fools.
If she Mrs Moon’s this and recants, shes dumber then anyone else.
This is why alot of states have a law that you dont have to file a complaint if the physical evidence is there.
Sorry talent does not trump morals. And his talent is not that great, our CBs just suck that much.
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He's not going to be on the field for awhile
And is likely to get a stiff suspension from Goodell, well before he’s tried criminally.
I agree. Goodell's not going to let him just run back out there
I’m saying that I agree with LeeLeeX to an extent. It should be an indefinite suspension until something gets figured out. If this was a lesser crime, then maybe like a 3 or 4-game suspension and let him go on, but you don’t just cut him outright because if he didn’t do anything wrong and he is innocent of any(or at least any serious) wrongdoing, then we look stupid for cutting him. The indefinite suspension shows that you’re addressing it, but you’re not going to overreact about an initial report.
White Horn Gold Pants
And for the sake of this argument...
and because we know that being an NFL Football player is a postion of public trust…We will compare to our Senate and Congress:
- 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.
- 7 have been arrested for fraud.
- 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.
- 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.
- 3 have been arrested for assault.
- 71 have credit reports so bad they can’t qualify for a credit card.
- 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.
- 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.
- 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.
- And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I totally hear your argument J.RO
and you clearly have first hand experience in this which I do not. So I have a philosophical question for you. Where does an organization or business or football team draw the line? When the person is actually imprisoned where he can’t play or actually kills or cripples someone. I’d like to hear your thoughts on this.
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Unfortunetly, it depends...
As a society the only line we have drawn is related to the fine or sentence imposed. That is why we have a court system.
After that debt has been repaid we as a society believe in redemption. Taking someones livelihood is not the decision we make, rather it is a correlary of the sentence imposed.
If Cook did this, and the facts and evidence bare his removal from society than this argument becomes moot.
However, I have seen more than one case where someone, who was really not that bad, made a seriously bad mistake that they would not, and will not duplicate in the future.
My point is it is way too early to exercise judgement on this young man’s life and career. I was there when Danny Heatly (professional hockey player) drove his Ferrari recklessly and KILLED another teammate. He paid his price, and is still one of the better (all-star) players in the league. He has not been a blight on society.
One thing I have learned relates to the old saying that one should be careful to throw rocks when living in a glass house.
Stuff happens and things can get waaaayyy out of control before even the best amongst us realizes it…
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
There is more to it here though
This isn’t a societal decision, and the teams and league place a lot of value on their reputation. The goodwill of fans is how they make their money.
Okay...
Than KWill has to go too. He was arrested some time ago.
Oh, and EJ was too.
And I bet there are more on the current roster that I’m not thinking of off of the cuff.
I don’t think we lose many fans because of our young DB.
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Not all crimes carry the same PR burden
And beating your girlfriend bloody is among the worst.
To go along with what J.RO is saying,
EJ Henderson, when he got arrested, was (allegedly) stomping on an unconscious man’s head outside of a bar along with two other Vikings players at the time. That’s pretty terrible, too. Just saying.
Obviously opinions differ
But I think serious domestic violence is viewed more negatively than a bar fight.
Yeah,
but stomping on a defenseless, unconscious man’s head could quickly become murder or attempted murder. The man could very easily get brain damage and I’m actually pretty surprised he didn’t.
Jared Allen
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 25, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
murdered bambi
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by danny lloyd on Oct 25, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bastard…. : )
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 25, 2011 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Those awesome mullet days are over
I’m just glad to know that he can still sack people with the “do”
White Horn Gold Pants
Weirdly, right now the standards for decency amongst NFL players (with Roger Goddell as judge, jury, amd executioner) are probably higher than they are for public servants…
Agreed...
A sad state of affairs.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
tea, china? Price?
What does this have to do with anything?
Congress vs Football players is about as apples and oranges as you can get.
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My point is I don't see your outrage over the crimes....
of our leaders, but you want to CUT down a 24 year old kid before you know the facts.
The only thing that will do is prematurely handicap our team.
And the fact that NFL Football players and our Government Leaders are “Apples to Oranges” is exactly my point.
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Hah
You dont even know how i feel about congress yet you know im not outraged over the crimes of our leaders? Sorry im just going to agree to disagree because youre getting worse then I am, And thats hard man.
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Your right, I don't know...
but you did’nt write back “well than our congress should go too”, rather you just re-iterated something about morals and the NFL….which is laughable at best sir.
I’m not sure how to respond to:
“Sorry im just going to agree to disagree because youre getting worse then I am, And thats hard man”
Because I don’t know what your trying to say.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
Sorry i didnt reply the way you wanted it to be,
so you made sweeping assumptions to bash me for making sweeping assumptions.
Glad that was settled!
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Not bashing...
I haven’t been rude, or called you out personally. I just disagree with your opinion on Cook at this time, and related to his arrest, proceedings and his NFL career.
I only answered back to what you wrote.
Obviously something is lost in the Webbtranslation, much like we lose yards using the Webbcat….See what I did there to lighten the mood? :)
I’m done with this, sorry if offended.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
ohh Webbcat....
Such a bad idea…Wait, they called it the “Blazer Package” too right? I think thats like dressing up a fat chick and saying shes a good dancer right?
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You nailed it....
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
Meant to post this...
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
You guys are funny
If I may, I would like to mediate. LeeLee is basically saying this is an enormous black eye(apparently the standard for Goodell) for the Vikings and the NFL and therefore should be cut. J.RO is basically saying we should let at least some of this due process continue before making any judgments or cuts.
I’ve posted this a couple times now, but I don’t know where people are still replying in this thread. I would propose a compromise: Suspend Cook indefinitely. I think this is Win-Win-Win(as Michael Scott would say) This way we’re not viewed as making knee-jerk actions, but the allegations are serious enough(Felony charges) that we can’t have this person representing our team on the field at this point in time. Also, we can let some of the due process work itself out and gather some more information. How far we let that process work out will depend on the information we get. If even a small portion of this story is true, then we probably need to cut ties and avoid having him represent our team in the future.
White Horn Gold Pants
nobody would be complaining if
he beat the crap out of berrian.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
I can agree to that DM
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Holder disagrees.
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But Holder
Is hampered by that pesky constitution thing. Judge & Jury Goodell is not.
Maybe we should draft congress?
That would be a hell of a prime time special…
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Well we know they have the wait to play on the O-line
Barney has friends that can fill out the rest of the line.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
Weight...
spell fail.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
I think Frank is more of a Tight End...
Im going to hell for that one.
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by LeeleeX on Oct 25, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now thats funny...
and finally we agree.
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Wooah there
Bankrupting a business is part of the ebb and flow of economics.. You can’t make a roast without cracking a few eggs…
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
i think it falls under.
player conduct policy . if we dont cut him he will suspended pacman never choked his woman . if this incident went farther we could be in the ray carruth area. this is his second conduct strike do we need to wait for 3 or 20 til they act … pulled a gun on neighbor in virgina but magically went away .not as bad as donald iggy phone recordings about amount of drugs .. but for an athlete to beat on a woman should be equal to a boxer getting in a street fight and bump up the severity for it.
I never said he was guilty.
I don’t know what happened. He hasn’t been tried and found guilty. All I’m saying is: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ISN’T FUNNY.
No it's not...
and “bitch-slap” is in bad taste, but I think our society makes crude jokes of things all the time….just watch an episode of Saturday Night live, or Leno, or whoever.
My point, chill out, Danny is an adult, and that is not the most crude thing I have heard this week.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
If he has a right to make crude jokes, then I have a right to be critical of him for it.
I realize he’s not condoning domestic violence, but I still don’t think it’s appropriate. I’d have the same reaction to an extremely racist or homophobic joke. There are simply some topics I don’t believe should be made light of and I’m not going to just chill out and ignore people who do so.
Fair enough...Danny apologized
Let’s move on. This is a football blog.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
all this does is overshadow the good news...berrian is gone !!!
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Yes...
He was found guilty of suckiness….
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BTW...
thanks for getting me into an argument.
I’m not defending you anymore.
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oh, you just got the wrath of someone else's issue.
but thanks for speaking up, i do appreciate your level headed comments.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
No problem...
I appreciate (almost) everyone’s opinion and humor to some degree.
And I will back you up…unless your really wrong. :)
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LeeleeX
You don’t know SHIT about SHIT.
Just because one side of the debate says he did those things, that doesn’t make it true. He hasn’t confessed, and he hasn’t had his fair trial. Take your bullshit somewhere else. Give the authorities and the attorneys time to figure it out before you go acting like a know it all.
thanks for the maturew response, very helpful sir!
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
ohh i cant spell, gratz me!
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
Hallelujah!
Maybe this team is finally turning the corner.
The 99-yd catch was great but that was an awfully expensive catch over the last 4 years.
Pretty sad you have to go to ’08 for a highlight.
See ya!
Skol Vikes!
the defender tripped and fell, or something....he was wide open.
i won’t give him praise for that play, it was the defenses horrible mistake.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
Close...
…Tillman (the defender) went to cover Shiancoe who was open up the middle. The Vikings had run that same play with Shiancoe with success in recent games. Tillman was essentially in a position in which he had to cover for two receivers. He’d obviously watched the game tape of the Vikings, because he anticipated the throw going to Shank. He happened to be wrong.
Still, the point you are making is correct. Bernard Berrian scored a 99 yard touchdown, because his defender decided not to cover him.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
hanging onto rice would have been more of a help
than keeping berrian
" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."
rice didn't want to be here. he shunned the vikings, and he has hip arthritis.
good riddance, i say to both rice and berrian. give arceneaux a chance!
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
thinking about next years draft.
looking over SI’s 50 top draft prospects, WR in the 1st sound like a good idea?
" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."
I want to draft a new stadium...
in the first.
It seems to be our biggest need.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
WR in the 1st
Almost never sounds like a good idea. Name 5 WRs in the first half of the 1st in the past decade who’ve panned out as being worth that pick.
okay, i put that to the test...here are the results :
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=WR&type=position
first half of first round:
2011 – #4 – a.j. green – cincinati <<< promising start
2011 – #6 – julio jones – atlanta <<< promising start
2009 – #10 – m. crabtree – san fran
2007 – #2 – calvin johnson – detroit
2005 – #3 – braylon edwards – clev
2004 – #4 – larry fitzgerald – arizona
2003 – #3 – andre johnson – houston
2002 – #13 – donte stallworth – new orleans
2001 – #16 – santana moss – n.y. jets
2nd half of first round:
2010 – #22 – dez bryant – dallas
2009 – #19 – jeremy maclin – philly
2009 – #22 – percy harvin – minnesota
2009 – #29 – hakeem nicks – n.y. giants
2009 – #30 – kenny britt – tennessee
2007 – #23 – dwayne bowe – kansas city
2007 – #27 – robert meachum – new orleans
2006 – #25 – santonio holmes – pittsburgh
2005 – #22 – mark clayton – baltimore
2005 – #27 – roddy white – atlanta
2002 – #20 – javon walker – groin butt
2001 – #25 – freddie mitchell – philly
2001 – #30 – reggie wayne – indy
for the record, i think we should focus our attention on o-line unless we can draft luck.
then i say we either take him or trade for multiple 1st’s or 1st and a couple of starters.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
So who is taking his roster spot?
Manny Arneceaux I hope. Him and Ponder looked good this preseason together
by RaysOfHope on Oct 25, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Really?
Did you miss the 3-4 passes be dropped in the GB game?
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
Arceneaux didnt play against GB
by PURPpplEATER on Oct 25, 2011 2:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
my apologies....
Im thinking of Armoticshoe….yes i know i spelled that wrong. But I got the two guys with funky A names mixed up.
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
lol you really do butcher that guys name...
RUPERY HELP HER!
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Hey i liked Aromaticshoe!
And then he played like Stinkyshoe against GB :(
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
I'm not going to be upset at DA
Because he is our only deep threat WR we have on our roster now. I also feel that most of our WRs should pretty much be given a pass from the game as they are still trying to get on the same page after only one week of practice together.
Also, not trying to defend DA just pointing out the facts as I remember them, but he only dropped one pass in that game. All the other passes to him were either behind or DA had not yet finished his route and wasn’t expecting the ball to come his way because Ponder dumped off the ball quickly to avoid the pressure. But it does suck because it seems that DA is the only one who hasn’t completely gotten on the same page with Ponder, because Cammy made a huge catch, Jenkins had a career day, and Harvin was running with renewed energy because he can now catch a pass in stride.
I think Ponder isn’t yet used to DA’s speed and having issues with hitting him in stride, but after the bye I think our WR corp and offense in general will be nasty compared to what it was in the first 5 weeks of the season.
If our offense wasn't nasty the first five weeks
exactly what was it?
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 26, 2011 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
If no one claims Berrian off waivers
it looks like the Vikes will be on the hook for $1.12 mil.
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Trying to think of some owners who like to sit around burning their cash.
Ah, got one! Seattle will take him. It’s become the West Coast nursing home for former Vikings. And money is no object over there apparently.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
He could go to Miami and be their best receiver..
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Well glad to see they finally got smart.
This is Addition by Subtraction. I will always fondly remember that play, though, so thanks for that anyway, Mr. Berrian.
Let's see...
M. Willians…
T. Jack…
McKinney…..
Berrian…
Tyrell Johnson?
Could it be that Frazier actually knows what the hell he’s doing and is making the best out of the cupboard left bare by Chilly Willy?
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 25, 2011 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with this all day long.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 25, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Madieu williams
he wore out his welcome with the coaching staff in cincy, gave up to many clutch plays. more of the same while he played for the vikes. he’s only depth in san fran, it’s all he is capable of with his legs getting older.
" Mike Brown is the owner that Cincy doesn't deserve, not the one it needs..."
Wait wait wait
Tyrell johnson the saftey was cut?
Okay. What pisses me off about this...
…is that it should have happened in the preseason. Not only did we waste a roster spot on this guy, we actually put him on the field. Why did it take this long to get it right? It really isn’t like he suddenly dropped off in production. He’s been bad for a couple of years already… and not all that good before then either I might add.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
It seems to me that we have 3 big holes:
Secondary, WR, and OLine. Who would you guys vote that we target first in the draft?
I’d lean towards OLineman as they seem exceedingly difficult to find in free agency, whereas there’s always one or two corners/WRs floating around.
I'd have said O-line for sure until Sunday
But Mr. Cook may have moved secondary up to the top. Probably a question of best available player either on the line or at CB.
Best available player is the way to go.
I’m leaning Oline also but if your picking in the 5-10 range maybe a WR or CB. We can still get a stud lineman in the 2nd & 3rd rounds.
OOOOO
gotta protect the new young gun and provide holes for AP(and keep him healthy)next would be db’s and more o-linemen…wideout in the 5th
Stephen Burton
has been promoted from the practice squad per Chip Scoggins.
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Thats always cool to see
Someone who works hard to be on the squad and gets promoted for it.
Regardless of how it happens.
Good for him!
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
I remember that.
Still, even if he just stands there with a finger in his nose, he’ll be just about as effective as Berrian.
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Okay. I'm shocked at that decision.
I couldn’t even believe that Burton made the practice squad. It just goes to show that some guys with prototypical whatevers get lots of chances… but then again, so did Berrian.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Defensive End Cedric McKinley
Was cut from the practice squad today so with Burton moving up that leaves 5 practice squad guys. I guess we’ll have to try to replace those two remaining spots because at the rate the Vikes are going they might all be starters before the seasons over!
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
This is the practice squad coach and our former seven members
"Show me a hero, and I will write you a tragedy." - F. Scott Fitzgerald
Dang. I don't see a single offensive lineman in the bunch!
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Nope....Can't have that, he violated the laws of caterers...
talent be damned. (The sarcasm is thick).
But really, no, he will only play for a contender. We simply are not, and I’m sure the bad taste (good pun) is still left in his mouth, so much so, that he won’t come play for us evah again.
I did enjoy him “taking the top off” though. And we can all agree that he would be quite an improvement over Big Baby.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
by J.RO on Oct 25, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"I don't care who you are, that'Dat right there is funny
I know it’s far from a reality, but, you have to admit when he was on his game, especially in his early years, he was the best deep threat reciever in the league. I just don’t know what to do with that #84 jersey.
"Skol Vikings! Let's win this game Skol Vikings!
write Jenkins on the back?
Hes doing it some justice lately.
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
I'm not happy about it
Always been a big Berrian fan. Sucks.
So long #87.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
This is regret...
Cutting Berrian does not fall into this category….
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
We should've Kept this team Awasom.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 25, 2011 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
I will take any of these players over Berrian...
Any of them will take the top off of the safeties…
And your welcome.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
suddenly the number 8 is my favorite...
weird..
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
1 doesnt seem so bad either
by Vikingsfan17 on Oct 25, 2011 7:19 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
if chick reporters get to go into the nfl locker room....then i get to go into their's
for an indepth probing interview and some deep analysis.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
I'm still trying to figure out if they play
Outdoors in the winter…
by liveforadrenaline on Oct 25, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Why should they have to?
The Vikings don’t.
Who said it was a comptetion?
I would be happy to take either one…
by Vikingsfan17 on Oct 27, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Should have been done a year ago.
It was obvious last season that Berrian could not or would not show the speed that made him an above-average WR in 2008.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 25, 2011 4:25 PM CDT reply actions
BB will land somewhere.
If fifty-year old TO can still get looks from teams, so can Berrian.
Who knows, it might be a McKinnie sort of situation where this is the kick in the azz Berrian needed, and no one in Minnesota could give it to him.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 25, 2011 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
Because they are comparable?
TO in his prime was an awesome stud of a reciever. BB in his prime was a guy you could maybe find a use for but certainly didn’t want as your number 1 WR.
Skip Bayless, is that you?
You seem to be trying to carve out a little niche for yourself as the resident contrarian.
I did not compare BB at his prime with TO in his prime, and to suggest I did is careless or dishonest.
Read what I said again and get it right this time, or go back to arguing that the Arden Hills site sucks because it is fifteen minutes farther from downtown than the Metrodome.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 25, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not good at smug
TO still gets looks because he was once a great receiver. Berrian is now and always has been a mediocre receiver. There is no relationship between interest in the two players. One guy will get looks from teams to evaluate if he can still be what he used to be. The other will get looks from teams because… well.. I can’t really think of good reason other than desperation. I thought I made that clear, but I guess one needs to be more explicit for certain members of this audience.
And yeah, the Arden Hills site sucks for reasons including that it is farther away from the bulk of its fan base. Also because there is essentially no supporting infrastructure or adjacent entertainment facilities. And because it’s quite low bang for the buck in redevelopment because it’s just a big open space now.
I knew I shouldn't have crossed that bridge in the forest...
Both BB and TO will draw interest because some teams need receivers, and will hope one or the other can still contribute; their respective past careers were not being compared by me, and I was not in any way comparing their current value. I was pointing out that there is always a market for washed-up players who are not yet definitively washed-up.
Your intial reply suggests you either didn’t understand that, or are trying to start an argument for the sake of starting an argument. You second reply reinforces that perception, and leads me to conclude there is no point in further feeding a troll.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 25, 2011 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You call me names (and Bayless is as about as low as it gets)
And I’m a troll? Intriguing.
Yeah he will land somewhere
NFL? No way in hell
AFL, canadian football league? Doubtfull
Couch? Ding Ding Ding!!!!
Yes, BB is probably just done.
As others have pointed out, injuries and age take their toll on everyone.
It was easy to rip on Berrian the last couple seasons, given the way he played, but now that the Turk did his job, one can almost feel sorry for him.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 25, 2011 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Bye Berrian I wished it had worked out
He seemed like he could have been the man but after so many years of poor performance you just have to take the loss. Good news is Miami is terrible for receivers right now and who knows might give him a shot. I highly doubt it though, he didn’t leave with a very happy attitude to the club and that can linger.
As for Cook let the NFL decide what happens to him that way it’s fair for everyone. If he does get booted from the team (which I doubt) that’s going to be a major major hit to our secondary and we will really have to evaluate the O line or Corner in the first. Personally I still want the LT, they are huge assets and hopefully we won’t be this high in the draft ever ever ever again :D
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
I'm not sure Judge & Jury Goodell is more fair
But it certainly relieves a burden on the team
it also helps to keep it fair around the league
For instance there have been some things that have gotten very little in the way of punishment. That DUI down in Florida comes to mind, If the owner doesn’t want him on his team of course that is different, however, this is his first time under heat (at least I don’t know of any other issues) and while I never condone beating a woman, finding out she is cheating on you would make it hard to keep control.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Football is a meat grinder
Bernard Berrian once was a pretty good wide receiver. The NFL ages guys so fast, with all the injuries to ankles, feet and knees. Look at McNabb, he was even faster than Ponder. Now, his top speed is Ponder’s jogging speed.
Football is a collision sport, and collisions always do damage. Even with tons of pads, these guys get physically worn out in an incredibly short time. Often they’re done after 3 or 4 years, the tougher ones last 6 or 7 years, the amazing ones last 10 years, and only the “ageless wonders” go much more than that.
And what happens to these men after they’re physically worn out at 30 or 35? With 50 or more years left to live, they suffer early arthritis. From multiple concussions, they suffer accelerated neural degeneration. I don’t know how Brett Favre survived and played 20 years in the NFL, but I’m sure of one thing: When he wakes up in the morning, his aches and pains are like nothing you or I can imagine. And unless science devises some way to regenerate tissue, his pain will only get worse.
I’m really glad I stopped playing football before high school. I hope Bernard Berrian stops, too.
Rugby is a lot more technical than Football
Players are taught to tackle properly lol
What a great day
I would try to name today Berrian Day, but I’ve gotten to the point to where I cringe just reading or hearing his name.
Lee, thanks for polluting this happy post with your Cook nonsense.
In a remarkable break with tradition, I managed not to touch the Cook mini-thread with a ten-foot pole.
by Midnight Rambler on Oct 25, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Me either
But I’m doing the happy dance because:
1) Frazier is starting to get a clue
2) Mclackadaisical is benched
3) Berrian is GONE
4) Ponder widened the field a bit and as a result AP skewered Green Bay on the run…
by liveforadrenaline on Oct 25, 2011 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Christian Ponder says
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Oct 25, 2011 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I came over here to read about the departure of Berrian,
about which I again say “Congratulations and what took you so long?”
And then I found the mini-thread abut Cook. The following remarks have nothing at all to do with team affiliation.
1. On the one hand, domestic violence arrests don’t always turn out to be sustainable. We don’t yet (happily) have ubiquitous surveillance, so some things just remain uncertain. Based on this point alone, I would disagree with LeeLeeX, and say that the team should wait a while to take any action.
2. On the other hand, it’s fairly unusual for a DV arrest to involve a felony charge. On this point, I’d ask J. Ro, who implied that he/she had law enforcement experience: “Would you expect that a police report would contain fabricated information?”
3. With respect to the proposition that this was “just one of those things” that happens with young men, and people don’t lose their jobs over it: Many, many people have lost their jobs because of being accused (not necessarily convicted) of a felony. The most common reason for simple accusation of felony NOT resulting in getting fired is probably union membership, hence rules. Luckily for Cook, he’s a union member.
4. With respect to the laundry list of Congressional/Senatorial imperfections — is that supposed to be CURRENT members of Congress? Because then I’d like to know which fourteen have been ARRESTED on drug-related charges. And, I suppose, when that was.
Anyhow, cheers on the future absence of BB, and I’d suggest letting the CC saga percolate through the justice system. Innocent until proven guilty sometimes seems like a too-high bar, but it’s worked pretty well so far.
Bob...my response below.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
Bob, your 8 hours late on this...
2. Your making a fairly broad assumption that most DV cases are not chargeable as a felony. Either way, it makes no difference, because this case fell into a new legislative SNAFU, which added an enhanced charge for any domestic violence incident involving any form of strangulation. Strangulation is a messy word, but basically under the law, any for of hands to neck area contact during a domestic confrontation can lead to you being charged with this enhancement. Several laws have such enhancements, and many times the officers know the offense should not be charged as a felony, but the actions meet the standards of the law and there is no other choice but to charge it.
I will take personal umbrage with your assertion that I might believe another Oficer or Agent/Detective would fabricate the written report. Of course that is not the case. But when taking statements, the statement giver can lie all day, and you just record what is said. Further, physical evidence can very often be indicative of more than one thing. So, actual certainty is of what happened is mostly unattainable, which is why the standard is probable cause.
3. This point I don’t even want to respond to because it is kind of dumb. Do you statistics on how many people lose thier jobs simply because of an arrest? Very baseless assumption on your part. For the sake of your argument though, if " Many, many people have lost their jobs because of being accused (not necessarily convicted) of a felony." , I would put that more to being stuck in jail, and unable to make bail, thereby work is missed for an extended period of time. One last point on this, don’t forget that we’re talking about a millionaire….so any stats related to job loss, probably won’t apply to individuals arrested who make over a certain amount of money. Money=better attorneys+quicker bail+harder to replace at work.
4. The stats are on line, and you can Google them just as I have. One article even told you which member, and for what they were arrested and convicted.
Lastly Bob, I in no way just said, “well he’s young and should get a pass”. Rather I said if guilty he should and will pay the price thru the judicial system. If not, he will walk. I think as a fan though wr should keep the perspective that many of these young players have earned/been given a lot of money and power very quickly. Further, many (and I know this to be true with Cook) came from poorer homes, where the father was absent to provide guidence. That is not a pass for bad actions, but something we should keep in the back of our minds when reading these accounts of what transpired between cook and his girl.
One thing I have learned over the last 12 years as a LEO is that there is your story then my story, and somewhere in-between is the truth.
Please ignore spelling or punctuation errors, as I have had to write this on my phone.
I will not be PONDERing anything, ever again....I'm so tired of this pun. Maybe we could use antonyms to be different, like: "FORGET about last season, as we COGITATE about winning in 2011!"...Whatever, SKOL VIKES!!!
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