Stock Market Report, Week 5
Former Ohio State coaching legend Woody Hayes once said 'nothing cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.' After the first four games, I think our football souls have been thoroughly cleansed.
This was a great win, from the opening kickoff to the final gun. The offense clicked (or at least avoided multiple three and outs), for the most part, the defense came up huge time and time again, Devin Aromashodu was a more than adequate replacement for Bobble Bobble, and Adrian Peterson was a man among boys for a good part of the game. It was a complete team win in every sense of the word, and the result was an Arizona soul cleansing.
It's nice to be able to be the cleanser for once, and not the cleansee, isn't it? So sit back, and for your listening pleasure, enjoy what is the theme song for your Minnesota Vikings:
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore
Grab an oar and meet me after the jump, where we'll break down the first win of the year.
Blue Chip Stocks:
Adrian Peterson, RB: Golfing legend Bobby Jones once said of Jack Nicklaus that his game was so good that 'Jack plays a game with which I am not familiar', and I really think that can be applied to Peterson. He has a knack for rising up just when he's needed the most, and elevates his play to a level with which mere mortals are not familiar. Is there still any debate as to who the best running back is in the NFL? I didn't think so.
Jared Allen, DE: Speaking of taking your game to another level, Jared Allen has stepped it up in a big way this season. He is not only a premier pass rusher, but he forces fumbles, intercepts passes, and creates general havoc for the opposing defense. Other than intercepting a pass, he did all of that on Sunday. On Sunday, when the defense needed a play, it seemed Allen was the guy to make it. He now leads the league in sacks, and I just took the whole 'Allen is washed up' meme and wiped my Aaron Rodgers with it.
Brian Robison, DE: So some of the best moves the front office makes are the players they don't sign. Let's just say that not signing Ray Edwards was a GENIUS move by the VIkings. Robison is a force, and Edwards has all but fallen off the face of the earth. Robison registered two more sacks on Sunday, and is now in the top 10 with 4.5 sacks on the season, while Edwards has 3.5 more tackles than Robison has sacks. And Allen has .5 sack more than Edwards has tackles. Just...wow.
Jim Kleinsasser, TE: He doesn't catch many passes. He doesn't run the ball when he's lined up as a fullback. He hasn't scored a touchdown since the Reagan administration. But Kleinsasser is probably the best RT on the Vikings. 'Ted, you silly, alcohol hazed 40 something, Kleinsasser is a TE'. Yes, yes he is, and I still think he's better than Loadholt. How many times did The People's Champion seal off the corner with a devastating block on a defensive end 1 on 1 against Arizona? Four times, five, six? In other words, about 5 or 6 more times than Phil Loadholt did, amiright?
Marcus Sherels, DB/PR: Whenever Percy Harvin fields a kickoff, catches a pass, or takes a reverse I have a belief that he can score, and I'm beginning to think that about Sherels as a punt returner. I really, really like his north-south running style on punt returns, and he almost always seems to make the first one or two guys miss. I think it's a matter of time before he gets more playing time on defense, and breaks one for a TD as a punt returner. I love this kid, and hope he is a Viking for a long time.
Solid Investments:
Devin Aromashodu, WR: For those of us that have been lobbying for the ouster of Bernard Berrian...which I think is everyone but Bernard Berrian's mom...we are feeling a bit of vindication. Aromashodu had a HUGE catch and run for 60 yards in the third quarter, and all but quashed the 'here we go again' feeling everyone...and I mean EVERYONE started feeling. Remember, Michael Jenkins had fumbled, the Cardinals punched it in to get it to 28-10, and it was now 1st and 20 after a lame holding call on The People's Champion. Boom, 60 yards by the District Attorney (Devin Aromashodu, DA, District Attorney---fast moving train people), Vikes are in field goal range, and my Dad and I put the bottle of bleach back under the sink. Did he drop a couple passes? Yes, but he was open, which is more than Berrian would have been.
Jamarca Sanford, S: So when was the last time a Vikings safety had two picks in a game? I'm going to go out on a limb and say Paul Krause, but I could be off. Today was a good example of what a ball hawking secondary looks like--the defensive backs have been more aggressive in coverage, and it's paying off with batted balls (and proper credit to the defensive line, too) and those eventually turn into picks. Granted, those batted balls need to be caught, and Sanford is starting to do that, and it's good to see.
Chris Kluwe, P: For a guy that had a bad hamstring, a 47.5 yard average on punts is pretty stinkin' respectable.
Fred Pagac, Defensive Coordinator: So when you have an offense that doesn't go three and out on every freaking series and gets you an early lead, we finally saw what a Fred Pagac defense can do when it's unleashed. The line had consistent pressure, the secondary had 9 defended passes--which has to be some kind of record--and it was SO much more enjoyable watching the aggressive man and press coverage as opposed to that soft zone they usually play. This is what I thought this defense was capable of doing, and if the offense can play a consistent game, the defense can, too. It was fun to watch.
Junk Bonds:
Donovan McNabb, QB: That had to be the worst performance for a team that scored 34 points in recent memory. On some of his throws, I half expected to see a Tarvaris Jackson jump pass. I mean, he bounced a screen pass. And that's okay, if the play gets blown up, quarterbacks do that all the time. But when the receiver is open, and you miss him EASILY by 6 yards, you're terrible. I mean, could Christian Ponder or Joe Webb have done any worse? I have a hard time believing that they could.
Bernard Berrian, WR: I think it's safe to say that Bernard Berrian's days in Minnesota are numbered. At least I hope they are. From #1 receiver to inactive in a month is a fall about as fast as Joe Mauer from healthy to the DL, which takes about 11 seconds.
Phil Loadholt, RT: Are you guys as tired of Loadholt getting beat like a red headed step child on almost every play as I am? Granted, he's a 6'8", 300 pound red headed step child, but the original proposition remains. When I heard that Berrian had been deactivated, I half thought that DeMarcus Love might have been activated and maybe played a little bit. But we go with baby steps...first Berrian, then activate Love, then let him play. We still have 11 games to go. Be patient.
Buy/Sell:
Buy: Lorenzo Booker's Double Reverse. I was wondering if Lorenzo Booker had become a forgotten man offensively. And that double reverse was a nice call. It looked and felt like the Harvin reverse, but the pitch to Booker threw everyone off, and it was a great play. Nice call, and I hope we see more of Booker in the weeks to come.
Sell: Percy Harvin Being Invisible. Was it me, or when Harvin did take a reverse and went 8 yards, did it seem like he was thisclose to taking off like a rocket and housing it? Your answer should be yes, by the way. Part of the reason for Harvin not being as big of a factor is due to McNabb's uncanny ability to not complete a pass, and his biggest contribution has been running the ball. Once he starts catching more passes he'll make an impact.
Buy: Jamarca Sanford's 2 Picks. We've already talked about the play of the defense overall and Sanford in particular, but the two picks were a big deal, for more than the obvious reasons. If the Vikings can start becoming an opportunistic defense and force turnovers, they very well might overcome the 0-4 start. Short fields lead to big points, as the first quarter demonstrated.
Sell: Tyrell Johnson Seeing The Field. I haven't, and more than likely won't, re-watch the game, but it seemed to me that every time Kevin Kolb completed a big pass (which to the defenses credit, wasn't very often) Tyrell Johnson was the guy giving the play up. Am I just being too critical here? No, I'm not? SWEET!
Buy: Holding Larry Fitzgerald, Jr To 66 Yards: That was a great effort by the entire defensive unit, and in particular the secondary. With Antoine Winfield out they needed to step up as a unit collectively, and they did. Chris Cook looks better and better with each passing week, Sanford and Husain Abdullah are playing like NFL caliber safeties, and although Cedric Griffin has been inconsistent, I think he's playing very well for a guy that is coming back from two ACL surgeries in two years.
Buy: Donovan McNabb's TD Run. It was a solid decision by McNabb to pull the ball down and run in for the score. It was vintage Donovan, and it was a bright spot in an otherwise mediocre day for him.
Sell: The Rest Of McNabb's Game. He is just not getting it done. With a back like Adrian Peterson, McNabb should be able to find weaknesses and exploit them through the air, and he isn't. The only guys that have been able to do so were Brett Favre in 2009 and Gus Frerotte (to a much lesser extent) in 2008. The win delayed the inevitable switch to Ponder for at least one or two more games, and as long as the wins keep coming the delay gets pushed back a little more. Some of his passes were just horrible throws, and it's difficult for the Vikings to develop any type of rhythm offensively, and I just think the Vikings should make the move sooner rather than later.
But you know what, those are issues that will still be there in a week or two. Let's enjoy this win and see if the momentum can't be continued. We've got a Sunday night tilt in Chicago, and a win puts the Vikings just a game and a half behind the Bears. One win leads to another, and two wins can be a season changer, especially a division game on the road.
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Funny
Just reading the part about Robison v. Edwards, when Edwards logged his first sack of the year on Karen Rodgers.
Awesome stuff
I love the combination of Jared Allen and Brian Robison, and Chris Cook is starting to be a BEAST. I’m so happy we won today…I actually do feel pretty cleansed out from those four heartbreaking losses, because now I don’t care as much when we lose. Chicago, here we come!
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I believe was Husain Abdullah in the game at Chicago last season. (-:
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by Christopher Gates on Oct 9, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions
I was going to say Darren Sharper
but it could be Abdullah. That guy has turned into a surprisingly solid starter.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Oct 9, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
glad i'm not the only one who saw/sees it...
a) Edwards — where are the Vikes fans who said we NEEDED to re-sign Ray…?? hrrm…awfully quiet ’round here…
b) Loadholt — he finally put an end to his holds and false starts, but still needs to step it up.
c) quote of the day by Charch via Facebook:
Donovan McNabb keeps hitting Visanthe Shiancoe in the numbers. Assuming there’s an 81 on the bottom of his cleats.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
by rj-b on Oct 9, 2011 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ahh, and i forgot...
d) Tyrell Johnson — should have been cut after the pre-season. waste of space.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I was a fan of trading Edwards
I posted this in another thread but it is relevant here.
I wanted to trade Edwards during the 2010 draft. You need to trade a player like Edwards away for a pick in the 2nd or 3rd round at the least. Now they have to hope to get some kind of compensatory pick. I am hoping for a 4th round pick.
So yeah, losing Ray was dumb. They should have traded him earlier and let BRob play.
But for the record they both have 12 tackles thus far through 5 games. BRob has 4.5 sacks to Ray’s 1.
Let us see how it plays out before we try and make any claims. BRob needs to keep it up for the whole season. He is going to play a lot more snaps this year. So far so good.
Ray got what he deserved and that was a new contract. The Vikings decided they could not afford it. Their choice. But Edwards is a fine defensive end.
It is funny how fans dog guys out once they leave the team when all they really wanted was to be paid fairly.
Ray Ray - No No
Even against a depleted Packer’s O-Line last night (both starting tackles were out) Edwards provided little consistent pressure. This really let Rodgers back in the game as the Falcons looked like they were on the verge of winning that game when they were up 14 – 0. Edwards was pretty much still invisible. Not the kind of performance the Falcons thought they were paying for I’m sure. He’s a decent player – but certainly no star.
He's a good player
But in a weak bargaining position with a team that doesn’t need him on the field. Not resigning him seemed like a no brainer to me the way Robison had played as a backup, but for some reason it seems most fans did not agree. So far, it looks like a great decision.
Not sure why most fans saw it that way.
I always loved seeing Robison come in. He just seems to have a motor going all the time. To me Ray was just going through the motions. Now with Robison on the other end JA is having a much better year.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!
You still do not understand
The point I have been making is that the Vikings should have traded him during the 2010 draft or even after for a 2011 pick.
Good front offices trade a player away for the highest possible ROI before they just have to let him walk away.
It has nothing to do with who is better between Ray and BRob.
New England traded Richard Seymour to the Raiders for a first round pick right before the first week of the season. They knew they were not going to be able to give him the money he wanted so they decided to get something in return rather htan let him walk away.
You have to look past what is going on now and look at the Vikings in a year or two from now or in this case from 2010.
Preachin to the choir buddy
One of the things the Vikes do terrible at is get value out of players that leave.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
but that's the thing -- Ray was overrated
playing on a line w/ the Williams Wall and JA, Edwards was bound to look better than he actually is. his definition of “fair pay” certainly didn’t match up with the FO’s. i don’t so much see it as “dogging him out”, i’m calling it as i see it. yes, it’s a long season — but so far, it appears Ray wasn’t worth his asking price.
(besides, $$ wasn’t the main reason i wanted him gone — his poor attitude was unacceptable, and is a welcome absence from here on out.)
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Ray never complained about his contract until it EXPIRED. He did not say one word when in 2009 Jayme Mitchell was making more than him. He also never said how much he wanted to be paid. He knew he was not getting top DE money but he also knew he was worth more than the 2.5 mil tender he received for the 2010 season.
Ray signed a four year deal and he performed to the best of his ability while under that deal all the while never complaining once about his pay. He is a stand up dude in my book.
I really do not know how you can say you are not dogging him either. He is worth what he received from Atlanta or else he would not have received it. You get paid on what you have done and what a team thinks you can still do. So how is Ray not worth his asking price? He is doing what the Falcons need him to do.
You are wrong about Ray and you are hatin on him because he spoke up about his pay after he completed his contract but was held back by the uncapped year rules.
I do not hate on young man when they speak up about their pay. He has every right to do so and he does not then who will speak for him?
only worth what someone is willing to pay
on the open market, an old Englehart issue of Detective Comics is only worth what someone on eBay is willing to pay for it. ‘perceived’ value — it’s all in the eye of the buyer. Atlanta signed Ray to be a pass rusher — with only 1 sack, and considering Atlanta ranks 27th against the pass, i’d say he needs to step it up just a wee bit.
You get paid on what you have done and what a team thinks you can still do. So how is Ray not worth his asking price?
easily answered by way of another question — how is Bernard Berrian not worth his asking price?? certainly by your argument, he has earned every dollar we’ve paid him while he severely underproduces year after year, yes?? just b/c a player makes x-amount of $$ doesn’t mean he’s worth it. some players fall into money — as i said before, it certainly didn’t hurt Edwards that he played on a Pro Bowl line that consistently allowed him to battle one-on-one. now on an inferior line, his real value is showing — that’s all i’m saying.
You are wrong about Ray
well that’s a matter of opinion if i’ve ever seen one…
and you are hatin on him because he spoke up about his pay after he completed his contract but was held back by the uncapped year rules.
no, actually i’m voicing reason b/c he picked a fight with a rookie (Gerhart) during TC, and called out another rookie (Cook) on the sidelines in the middle of a game we were badly losing. say what you will — that’s no “stand up dude”, Mark.
I do not hate on young man when they speak up about their pay. He has every right to do so and he does not then who will speak for him?
again, you jump to conclusions about why i’m “hatin on” Edwards. but now that you mention it, i’m inclined to share my appreciation for the model of working hard, putting the team first and not bitching about your situation before or after any contract expiration, personified quite nicely by Ray’s very own replacement in Brian Robison. prove your worth on the field, be a team player, and your pay day comes before the lockout. funny how a player can say an awful lot without opening his mouth.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Fair enough
We will have to agree to disagree.
I will say though that by not trading Ray during the 2010 draft or prior to the 2010 season that the Vikings actually screwed over BRob too.
If BRob would have had the opportunity to play last year he most likely would have received a better contract. I do not doubt that he would have played last year like he is playing now.
So to me, it is more then just Ray.
And Berrian has nothing to do with Ray. That is a poor analogy since Ray is only 4 games into his new contract. Berrian did have a pretty decent 2008 & 2009 seasons for him. Ray should at least get to play one season before a person claims that he is not worth what Atlanta gave him. If that is not a bias then I do not know what one is.
true on trading Ray
We certainly should have done that, no argument here.
As for the Berrian remark, it was just an example to show that not all players live up to the contracts they “earned”. Vikes thought he was worth it, and we were very mistaken.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I like the guy at the Star Trib stating McNabb had more bounce passes than Magic Johnson.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Always look forward to the SMR, Ted. Thanks!
Isn’t life just so much better when we win?
by Viking in MT on Oct 9, 2011 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
After a loss:

After a win:

"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 9, 2011 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
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by NorthernStar on Oct 10, 2011 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
If I wasn’t so tired, I’d get back on my computer and find a picture of a dead lion, so I’ll save that pic for the game thread for Vikings@Detroit.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 10, 2011 12:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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Sell: Not putting Ponder or Webb in late.
I was hoping one of these things would happen in today’s game. 1. We’d go way down and Ponder would get his chance or 2. We’d go way up and Ponder would get his chance. We absolutely dominated the Cardinals today, but no Ponder or even Webb… Garbage time (wether it be from behind or ahead) is a good time to evaluate players, and we damn sure need to evaluate our QB situation. Why not throw one of them in there at least the last two series and let him hand it off to AD and maybe get a couple of NFL completions?
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 9, 2011 10:40 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
So true
I was thinking the exact same thing. I cnt believe we didn’t see him take one snap. Very curious.
by SeventhViking on Oct 10, 2011 6:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe they were just trying to get McNabb injured?
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
Don't think you can do that during your first win
Although I had the same thought after Arizona pulled Kolb.
Sure you can do it
And you even should.
But what happens if he looks good?
What happens if he looks really good?
Then the coaching staff might have to bite the bullet
and actually, DAH DAH DAHHHHHHH, change something…..
Love the K-sauce nod
He was all over the field today with key blocks, he totally pancaked one guy on one of Peterson’s TD runs. He is really stepping it up this year I think, filling in as a FB/TE I don’t think many people understand how huge that is for a guy to know every play for more than one position and to consistently perform at both of them
The guy has been solid for a freakin decade. He is by far the best blocking TE in the national football league and I think he deserves a spot on the game ball list.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 9, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Buy: This SMR - Right on all counts Ted!
Its great to have a relaxing Sunday evening for the first time in more than five weeks. Life is good tonight. McNabb is not.
It wasn't just Tyrell Johnson
giving up the big plays. I saw Asher Allen get burned a couple times as well. Between those two, I thought we had a shot at losing this game.
but at least Allen had a pick early in the game
Tyrell is just terrible
"God always comes first, then grades, (and lastly) football." 11-year old phenom Demias Jimerson on his reaction to being told that he cannot score more than 2 TD's per game in his Arkansas Pee-Wee football league.
Sell Donovan McNabb
Missing Percy Harvin for the easiest touchdown opportunity of the year. How he isn’t part of your progressions on every play is mind boggling. The guy was throwing his arms in the air doing jumping jacks calling for the ball. Instead McNabb throws a terrible throw short for a lovely incompletion. I’m ready to pull the plug on McNabb. We will not improve offensively until we put someone in willing to succeed. Not someone who won’t work on his mechanics because he doesn’t think that he does.
Great Victory though!!! I’m proud of all the players with the exception of McNabb. He’s hindering this offense.
I disagree.
McNabb knew he couldn’t make that throw. He knew that the extra gravitational pull that occors when he attempts to pass the ball would lead the ball into the ground, so he dumped it short for a decent gain.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 9, 2011 11:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
False
He actually was aiming for Harvin on that play.
by Cobra312004 on Oct 10, 2011 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Buy: Lorenzo Booker's screen play
Sell: Lorenzo Booker running the KO out of the endzone and getting stopped inside the 15 yard line.
Solid investment: Oline play today. Helped AP get 130 yards and only allowed 1 sack.
"God always comes first, then grades, (and lastly) football." 11-year old phenom Demias Jimerson on his reaction to being told that he cannot score more than 2 TD's per game in his Arkansas Pee-Wee football league.
protecting a lead
Especially when your team is protecting a big lead late in the game. You’d think coaches would’ve told him – If the kick is into the endzone – DO NOT bring it out. Of course you wouldn’t think coaches would even have to tell him.
Short kick returns
Seem to be a problem across the league. For whatever reason, guy’s haven’t adjusted to the new rule.
Also, whose idea was it to move the kickoffs up five yards? Someone who thinks that what fans like to see is a good old-fashioned touchbacK? Kick off returns used to be among the most exciting plays in the game, now it’s either a snooze or reason for frustration when I guy tries to hard and makes a bad decision to run it out.
I think it was a player safety issue.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!
I see
Another step toward the National Flag Football League.
Ask Kevin Everett or Eric Lagrand.
I hate rule changes that make our game soft. But after seeing these 2 men and how much they lost… I see validity in it.
by Vikingsfan17 on Oct 11, 2011 1:46 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Charlie Johnson pulled it together today
shank screwed up way to many times, as usual. We need to get Dolph more involved, he has better hands, routes, blocking, speed and younger.
Might as well get Rudolph more involved
as it appears Musgrave has already abandoned the whole 2 TE thing. I haven’t seen much of it lately.
Huh?
It’s actually been fairly consistent. Maybe not two recieving TE’s running routes, but I’d have to guess that we’ve had two TE’s on the field on 50% of all offensive plays.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Oct 10, 2011 12:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
Part of the advantage of a two TE set is you don’t know who is running routes and it makes it harder to set up coverages. We aren’t throwing to Rudolph a lot (though he has steadily increased his production the first 4 games) but it doesn’t mean he’s not involved.
You keep one in to block, but which one? (well, it’s more confusing when K-sauce isn’t on the field) You keep them both in to pass protect, you run and then you send them both up the seam and catch them napping. In the midst of the age of the TE, it’s a really dangerous offense… you know, when your quarterback can throw it in the general vicinity of his receivers.
Shiancoe should be the one in to block
That’s where he has the benefit on Rudolph. I know Shiancoe isn’t impressive with his blocking, but Rudolph is even worse at this point. And I’ll take Kyle’s hands/athleticism over Shiancoe’s.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
First 5 week re-cap
In a nutshell: Our teams have the talent. If games ended at 1/2 time, we would be 4-1.
We start strong, we are still not finishing strong.
McNabb – You would think with his experience, a veteran QB, a QB who has been to several NFC championships & one super bowl, and playing against the Giants & Cowboys for many years would perform better.
Vikings that I like that don’t get much attention:
Jamarca Sanford – even though after his pick he got tackled by a lineman from behind. Game was basically over at that point anyways… But it is nice to be able to joke about that.
Chris Cook – I think he is also going to start entering his prime. When he can cover people such as Calvin Johnson & Larry pretty well w/ success, he must be pretty decent.
Brian Robison – Why do I feel that he is a huge upgrade over Ray-Ray?
Aromashadu – Develop him… I think he can get more done w/ a crap McNabb than B.B. Sometimes, desire is better than proven talent when proven talent fails to produce.
Booker – man he seems quick on the field. Just speedy…. But that is just me, I guess
As for the QB situation… Where do you go from here on out? I don’t see McNabb as a valid candidate to move further. A veteran should perform better than that. People want to see Ponder because of his 1st round draft choice, but, Webb isn’t being used as a receiver and they wanted to see great things out of him as a QB. Either way, I think either one of them needs to start seeing more field time. But, the coaching staff sees what we don’t, so there must be a reason.
Will the wins continue? I think it is very possible if we can get a reasonable passing game going on. We can’t rely on AP…. I think our defense is starting to become a little better, in comparison to years past (except our 2nd 1/2s LOL)
Guess we’ll have to see how we fair up against the Bears on a Sunday night game.
Correct me if I'm wrong
But was that long DA catch and run the first time McNabb’s hit a WR in stride all year? It sure felt like it. Certainly the first time he’s done it with a WR crossing the middle.
That pass looked...
…almost as good as a duck falling to the bottom of the screen on Duck Hunt!! To be honest, I’m surprised the damn ball made it that far down field. It was an atrociously thrown ball, but hell I guess we will take it!
by Bboc6830 on Oct 10, 2011 9:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there still any debate as to who the best running back is in the NFL? I didn’t think so.
This made me feel like mentioning that Peterson has almost exactly twice as many rushing yards as Chris Johnson does. Just thought I’d throw that out there.
Side note: Anyone else notice AD embarrass Patrick Peterson on every one of his touchdowns? Welcome to the NFL rook.
Yeah, a real down year for Chris Johnson
I’m sure the Titans are glad they signed him to an extension..
but really, this year is all about McFadden/Foster/Fred Jackson behind Peterson.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Oct 10, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Care needed
Before we go overboard it needs to be remembered how atrocious the Cardinals were in the first quarter.
Coughing up four touchdowns is something that won’t often be handed to us by our opponents, throwing an interception, fumbling the ball etc. That forced the Cardinals to give up any game plan they might have had, making it easier for us to operate an effective defense against them.
I somehow don’t think the Bears or Packers will be that generous in the next could of games. Both have better OL and better defences …. I am particularly fearful of Johnson v Peppers followed by Matthews
Falcons offense
It was really eerie watching the Falcons – Packers game and seeing the Falcons jump out to a nice 14 – 0 lead and then go into a shell. When you see their formations and play calling it definitely reminds you of a certain purple team. I hope LF and MM were watching that game last night. Jared Allen should feast on the Packer’s tackles though – not to mention the Bears crummy line.
I actually liked what I saw out of them
in those first 14 points. That fake bootleg, I think, would be an absolute monster for us if Percy Harvin ran it. I was kind of hoping we could incorporate it.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
AND THE GAME BALL GOES TO...
EVERYONE not named “Donovan McNabb”. I really have not jumped on the bash #5 bandwagon… but i figured I better make a comment before all the seats are full.
The only way we have a chance to increase McDagNabbit’s completion percentage is to have the receivers run their routes upside down (so there hands are where there feet should be).
Oh and this just in… AP IS A BEAST!!!!
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NIce...
… that should be the Viking’s song. I love Zep and that song.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 10, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions
they do now use it
when the Vikings come out at the beginning of the game…. SWEEEEEET!
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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 10, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I always thought Led Zeppelin...
.. was really protective of anyone using their music for anything. It is the reason why you can count the number of movies where you hear a Zeppelin song on one hand. I can only think of one myself.
I would think they could stop the Vikings from using it. It is interesting that they are using that song, I didn’t realize it.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 10, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Zeppelin ... They couldn't compete with this guy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYovKKgpnx0
It’s pretty sweet the way the Wilf’s have it set up… the music is re-cut and driving beet goes ON an ON and ON while they announce the players names… fireworks…. cheerleaders and 60,000 cheering fans!!! cool doesn’t even begin to describe it. I recorded it on my phone last time i was there (lions game)…. just gets you going like nothing else. In fact, I feel all amped up right know just thinking about it.
SKOL VIKES!!
Anyone else love that intro?
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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 10, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
better link...
here is the story… gotta love this guy. Hey… perhaps he posts on here? Anyone know?
http://www.andrewsaur.com/media_vikings_kickoff.html LINKEY
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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 10, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with your post...
… entirely.
As for Berrian, if now he is having disciplinary problems and being a negative force in the locker room, that is disturbing. As far as any of the WR production, including Percy Harvin, and everyone else, the poor play of McNabb has to be considered. If we get someone else in there, then maybe we can see what the real score is with these guys.
I’ve been encouraged by Abdullah’s play all year. Seeing Sanford become active, a real plus. I also think we are getting better play from Robison than we did from Edwards.
I watched Edwards against the Packers last night, and he was a TOTAL NON FACTOR. He had one sack, but on that play the Packers just failed to block him completely. Dumping Edwards and giving Robison a shot, I think, is paying off handsomely.
Ditch McNabb. The first clue should have been Shanahan benching him when his 2nd stringer is Rex Grossman. That speaks volumes. Now we all get it.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 10, 2011 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
Signs of life
If MacNabb was showing any signs of growth/improvement in this offense or with this coaching staff I would get why he’s still starting. I have seen none. The most telling stat of all in terms of winning is a team’s yards/pass attempt. Brady and Rodgers are tied for first in the league – while McNabb is 27th. The only starters behind him are 3 kids and Kyle Orton (surprising) and Kerry Collins. Yuck!! It seems like McNabb has totally bought into the “caretaker” QB role. This is not a winning formula in the NFL any more.
Agreed...
… and I don’t think it is realistic to see “growth” from McNabb. He’s been around for ever. He’s only going to get worse physically.
I can’t frankly understand why he is so terrible. He was never this bad. Maybe dumping it off to backs for so many years made him appear better statistically than he really is. Who knows? But it still seems to me like he’s lost it somehow.
Webb or Ponder can only get better. They can’t get any worse. They could equally well be “caretakers” if we want that as well. No one respects our passing game now anyhow, it’s all stop AP. If someone actually does stop AP, we are toast.
by HammeroftheGods on Oct 10, 2011 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Suprising on Orton
he’s been lighting it up the past 2 years in Denver, but I have no idea what the receiver/line situation is there…I personally was pulling for the Vikes to trade for him, and then get a stud OL or LT in the draft….he’s 28, entering his prime, but stuck in a bad situation with McDaniels trading for him and Quinn in the same year, then drafting Tebow in round 1. if Orton’s behind a good line (never really was in chicago), I think he could get the team pretty far…
but we have Ponder now…next year we BETTER draft O-line..or move Ksauce to a line position ;)
by michiganpat on Oct 10, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Love the Sack Leaders list for the season:
1) J. Allen 9
T2) J. Babin 7
-) J. Pierre-Paul 7
T4) B. Robison 5
My notables
Phil Loadholt getting beat outside is so predictable that the Vikings banked on it to run underneath the DE flying around Loadholt’s outside edge. Designing plays to exploit reality. Good job, Bill Musgrave. At this point, would DeMarcus Love be slow enough to make that play work? All you need is Love at Left Tackle. Use Charlie Johnson as a utility backup.
Marcus Sherels, y’all! The two guys getting beaten regularly in the secondary are Tyrell Johnson and Asher Allen. Sherels tackles better than Allen, and he’s quicker. I want to see Sherels out there as the new CB opposite a resurgent Chris Cook. As for safety, job goes to Sanford, hands down. Sad to say, but Tyrell Johnson is not living up to his high draft pick. Sanford has consistently shown better aggression and instincts.
Brian Robison has looked fantastic so far. I’m glad he got his chance after Ray Edwards left town. Robison is at least as fast as Edwards, and he appears to be just as strong. With Jared Allen doing everything but sweeping up the stadium after games, the Vikings have a great set of bookends at DE.
Last, tho I avoided some of the most obvious ones, Adrian Peterson in BEAST MODE is a spectacle like no other in the NFL. He ran through them, around them, deeked them out of their shoes, and then pushed them into the end zone like a bouncer 86’ing a a pesky drunk. After watching AP, my eyeballs felt unworthy.
Forgot one...
What is Everson Griffen? He’s listed as a Defensive End, but he plays linebacker too, and Defensive Tackle. He covers passes, rushes, tackles… I guess he just plays defense.
Who does that remind me of?
Jared Allen.
Buy
Robison’s sack dance, beginning to mimic the calf-rope followed by the “nuh-uh.”
Show’s some cameraderie!
yep
that was cool! (wrong game but… yeah… you get the idea)
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by Admiral BigGun on Oct 10, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
just thought of something...
…saw Camarillo on the field for the first time yesterday.
can someone explain why we’re flushing $1.7mil down the toilet to keep him on our roster?? i liked Iglesias… :-/
i know OLine is on everyone’s mind for next year’s draft, but we need a solid deep threat. and by ‘solid’, i mean ‘exceptional’.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Unsung guys
I have given up on trying to video stream games. The quality is either bad or non-existant and they are always a play or two behind. Instead I just find an internet radio stream and listen to Paul Allen. With that being said, I did not see him play but heard Ryan D’Imperio (sp?) name mentioned several times for good blocks and special teams tackles. Along with K-Sauce we probably have the best FB’s in the league. I know K-Sauce is listed as a TE.
by SouthernNorseman on Oct 10, 2011 1:04 PM CDT reply actions
Loadholt
Hey Man did you not see the game? he allowed one pressure. Phil Loadholt played a very good game, actually i saw a post on this site about him playing rather good, so stop hating just because he has done bad in the past. nearly every good running attempt was to his side / the middle
Win, Loss or Tie Vikings fan till I Die
not to play devil's advocate, but...
…how is AZ’s front 7 on the left and middle…??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
darnell dockett
Thats all i need to say.
by Vikingsfan17 on Oct 11, 2011 1:55 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah they have some decent ends
and DTs. LB is sorta meh, but the D-line is actually not that bad.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Oct 11, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yardbarker was reporting this morning that McNabbit will be out by the bye week id he does not improve.
Oh, lovely
Just in time for the season to be blown. What an idea. *eyeroll
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Oct 11, 2011 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It's pretty simple
There wasn’t a single play in that ENTIRE game that Ponder couldn’t have done just as good as McNabb. McNabb contributed NOTHING towards the win and I hope our coaching staff evaluates that properly. If we are going to somehow make a comeback this season, we’re going to have to have a competent QB and McNabb has not shown that he can be that. I’m having visions of us against the Packers and having to drive say 50yds for a game winning TD drive and McNabb missing his receivers and we lose and we lose the season. This team has been punished enough with his ineptitude. Make the switch!
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
SKOL!!!
Let's stay grounded
It’s doubtful that Ponder or Webb are the way to make a “comeback.” I think one or the other should be playing, but because they need experience and they abilities need to be evaluated, not because I think either are very likely to lead to more wins right away.
Agree here
Peyton Manning stunk up the place his first year so I don’t expect much from Ponder. I do want him playing though and I do want Webb utilized as well.
I'd start webb
he showed last year he can play in the NFL…with the O-line play, and his scrambling/running ability, I think he’d be the better fit…how about a shotgun formation with AP and Harvin on either side of him…who will they snap to? ;)
Kind of funny how people bag on Loadholt when he actually has a good game. Makes you question what people choose to watch and what they choose to believe.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
Sometimes stats aren't a true representation of someones ability
I’m not saying Load didn’t do better this week, however I did see some holds on him that weren’t called some of them pretty blatant. Short field and leaning on the run made him look better than he has played in the past.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
I don’t necessarily disagree, but this site has a tendency to pile on people each week regardless of how they play. I’m guilty of it too. We all have our biases.
Case of the beet bandit. Missing beets from all over the farm, no footprints. Inside job. Mose in socks. Boom. Case closed. -Dwight Schrute
I'm disgusted with Mcnabb
And very disappointed Frazier hasn’t taken him out already. In his Monday press. conference he completely avoided the topic like a seasoned politician. How much “progress” and “working with” does a vetran qb need? It looks like to me, that his arm is gone.
by brighteye_Viking on Oct 11, 2011 5:51 PM CDT reply actions

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