So Now A Comparison To Elvis Grbac Is A Positive?
by Christopher Gates on Nov 14, 2011 9:32 AM CST
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Morning, gang. . .yours truly probably isn't going to be around for most of the day today, but if anything happens prior to kickoff, we'll have it for you. Heck, I might not even be back prior to game time. . .and it would be terrible if I couldn't get the full three hours of the ESPN crew performing lewd acts on our opponents this evening. . .but that's just the way things go sometimes.
Anyway, I wanted to point out this little article from ESPN In$ider before I headed out for the day. If you'll recall, I mentioned in an article the other day the comments that ESPN's Trent Dilfer had about new Vikings' quarterback Christian Ponder when he was drafted back in April, specifically his comparisons to former NFL QB Elvis Grbac. Well, now that Ponder doesn't appear to be the OMG WORST PICK EVER, Dilfer is trying to flip-flop a little bit.
In the part of the story you can see without signing in to In$ider, Dilfer admits that he was harsh towards Ponder, saying that his evaluation of him was "85% positive." However, if you can get to the rest of the article, there's this little laugher.
Thus far, you have to be impressed with Ponder. He reminds me of Elvis Grbac, a very good quarterback who could do almost everything. We're seeing some of those traits from Ponder, such as very good arm talent, the ability to move and react and (thus far) the ability to find windows in a zone. He throws on the run very well, too.
Ummmmmm. . .yeah, dude, that's not really the Ponder/Grbac comparison you were making back in April when you were telling everyone you thought the Ponder pick was dumb. You, like so many others, assumed that because Ponder was drafted by the Minnesota Vikings, it was a terrible pick and a huge mistake and took it upon yourself to rip a player that you allegedly. . .now. . .had an "85%" positive impression of.
Seriously, Trent Dilfer is apparently under the impression that we're stupid, and that kind of crap really annoys me.
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Does anyone even LIKE Dilfer?
I’ve been to so many sites, and it seems that everyone, no matter what team they’re a fan of, hates him. Why he’s even an “analyst” is beyond my comprehension, but when the overall consensus of the entire NFL fanbase is that he’s a Dil-hole….he just shouldn’t have the job that he has.
Its the howard stern affect
People who like him watch him because they like him. People who hate him watch him even more. It’s like staring at a train wreck. Total carnage, yet can’t seem to look away.
"God always comes first, then grades, (and lastly) football." 11-year old phenom Demias Jimerson on his reaction to being told that he cannot score more than 2 TD's per game in his Arkansas Pee-Wee football league.
He is an analysis because he had a good career int he league and gets people talking.
Look at us talking about him right now and linking to things he says in articles.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 14, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
In what way was Dilfer’s career “good?” Winning the superbowl = Dilfer Good: Not Winning a SB = Marino Bad
He wasn't bad imo.
Good might be stretching but it was just a quick comment. The guy didn’t suck but yes he also wasn’t THAT good but I would still consider good.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 14, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
No.
He was a below average NFL QB for his career with only one better than average season to his credit (and still mostly to the Tampa D for giving him such great field position that year). He certainly should be able to point out a disappointing QB performance because his career was comprised of so many. The Bucs expected a lot more from their high first round draft pick than he ever produced. Until he acknowledges at least that much, he is a poor analyst, too.
As Vikings fans, we would be talking about Ponder anyway. People link to things for different reasons, including things that are intentionally or unintentionally absurd and/or ridiculous.
dilfer
Dilfer is a fat tool. Anything he says should be immediately disregarded as the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic.
I piss people off on a fairly regular basis. I cherish my right to speak my mind, whether I sound like an uneducated savage or not. I've never been accused of keeping what I think a secret, nor will I ever. Don't like it? I don't care.
by IABerserker1 on Nov 14, 2011 9:39 AM CST via mobile reply actions
So Dilfer...
Couldn’t just come out and say you were dead-
Well, considering the family resemblance..........
Does running his mouth off without using his brain suprise anyone?
R.I.P. Harmon Killebrew & Derek Boogaard, Minnesota sports hearts will always have some emptiness without you.
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 14, 2011 9:48 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
He tries too hard
I think Trent is trying to be another Skip Bayless….why I don’t know but they both make the most ridiculous comments just to get people talking.
Skoll!!!
I don't mean to be a wet blanket but
I think it’s too early to crown or de-crown Ponder. I think Ponder is too inexperienced to determine whether is the next Grbac or whether he isn’t the next Grbac. I’m not trying to be negative but just trying to keep things within perspective. I hope the best for Ponder because I love the Vikings and want them to succeed but at this point I’m not prepared to claim Ponder is a Top 10 or Top 5 quarterback in this league either.
No worries
What we are trying to get at is that Dilfer tends to throw his 2 cents in when many others already have and look like an “expert”. Then conveintely reverses the opinion when it doesnt work out and others have already changed their minds. Who knows, Ponder could always fall flat, but so far, I have alot of hope for this kid.
Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is a war room!
by VikesFaninNM on Nov 14, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Completely agree on final analysis on Ponder
But I think Chris was trying to point out the blatant hypocrisy that is Trent Dilfer. When he was drafted, he compared Ponder to Grbac in a highly negative connotation. Pull quote from Seifert’s NFC North blog right after Ponder was drafted, and Dilfer opined:
“Christian Ponder is Elvis Grbac,” Dilfer said. “He’s Elvis Grbac. Elvis Grbac was a beautiful thrower. He threw for 4,000 yards. He did a lot of nice things. Every time it got tough, he melted.”
I think it’s only fair to note that in 2001, the Baltimore Ravens replaced Dilfer with Grbac. The Ravens became a better passing offense but never returned to the Super Bowl, and I think that episode remains stamped in Dilfer’s brain.
But that said, Dilfer told Cowherd that he watched every snap Ponder took in college. He described Ponder as a quarterback who looks great in workouts but quickly loses accuracy and effectiveness in the pressure of a game.
“His drop, his arm speed, everything about him … it’s one tempo,” Dilfer said. "He has to play at the 7-on-7 tempo. The drop has to be rhythmical. The receivers have to be open. The ball goes one speed. The pocket has to be nice. Any time he’s asked to quicken that up or there’s people around him, his accuracy is awful. …
“The great quarterbacks are as accurate going to [options] two, three and four as they are when you go to one. … Christian Ponder, as soon as you get to two or three, the ball is dirting. It’s high. It’s all over the place. OK? He plays with a lot of anxiety. Do you want your quarterback in the NFL to play with a lot of anxiety?
If that’s 85% positive, I’d hate to see an 85% negative. I persoanlly agree with Seifert that Dilfer is still hurt that he was the starting QB when the Ravens won the Super Bowl, and they unceremoniously dumped him for Elvis Grbac the next year.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
OMG RIDICULOUS
haha…Dilfer is a dipshit. I think that its funny that an ESPN blogger essentially felt obligated to point out Dilfer’s ridiculousness. It’s nice to see him have to backpedal. Love seeing this. The truth is obviously somewhere in the middle. My perspective? Dilfer possibly saw his analyst position at E$PN slipping away and he knew he needed to make a bold statement. So, he said what a lot of us were thinking, but he made sure to go the extra mile to get all of the attention. E$PN loves that and if you’re a polarizing figure in any form, they will get you in front of the camera. I always find it interesting when the ESPN announcers/analysts/radiomouths(especially mike and mike, which i can’t stand their obnoxiousness) conveniently point out to pro athletes that those athletes need to stand by their statements and “OWN” it. ESPN hasn’t “owned” shit in the last 10 years so screw them.
White Horn Gold Pants
If Skip Bayless and Woody Paige are still around
and the only reason Sean Salisbury got canned because of sexual harassment stuff, Dilfer’s not going to get fired.
He’s just trying not to eat the big plate of crow in front of him.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
At least Woody Paige is funny
Like that guy On Viva La Bam you can’t understand or my crazy uncle Ed, rambling on about nothing to the point where it becomes funny. Dilfer and Bayless are just (or think they are) know it all assholes.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
True. It's all about egos.
Oh, and I purposely couldn’t watch First Take this morning because i know all 10 topics would be on Tebow(Bayless: Tebow needs more catering to be successful) and Romo(Bayless: [excuse] [excuse] [excuse]….omg the rest of the team plays bad when Cowboys lose, it’s their fault. Romo leads team to victory…OMG (slurp slurp slurp)…he’s so great! It’s all him. He’s magical and dreamy. I wish I was Jessica Simpson or Kari Underwood. I love him…..(slurp slurp slurp))
/too far?
White Horn Gold Pants
Skip Bayless on Tebow:
“Fap, fap, fap” /too far?
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
It is to early to crown Ponder King
however, the article did make me laugh. The part where he said that Grbac could do almost everything as a QB. I guess the almost part was be successful..
Trent is an idiot.
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
I think it's funny that Ponder has looked very servicable
I mean, let’s be serious. He doesn’t appear to be the next Brady, Manning, or Rodgers, but he appears to have some skills that we can work with and who knows, maybe gets to that point or even close. He hasn’t lit the world and fire and ALREADY Dilfer is backpedaling. Shit’s WEAK!
White Horn Gold Pants
Just let Dilfer keep talking.
Even though Ponder doesn’t show it, he’s probably taking all this criticism to heart. He’s trying and succeeding to be better, so why not let the so called “experts” keep bashing him?
Oh, and I agree with an above poster who called Dilfer a tool. Anything this guy says should be completely disregarded.
by christian220896 on Nov 14, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions
Who's Trent Dilfer?
Seriously though, I couldn’t give a rats ass about his opinion or any other Ponder hater’s opinion for that matter coughSkipBaylesscough.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that your's is stupid.
I know!
Its like he goes out of his way to criticize the kid
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that your's is stupid.
by HolySchnikes on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
How Skip Bayless hasn’t lost his job over the years for all the ridiculous crap that he has said is beyond me. Very little of it is controversial, but most of it is downright poor journalism.
"When I put on my uniform, I feel I am the proudest man on earth."
-Roberto
by blackjackfishtaco on Nov 14, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
he's deified on FirstTake
They used to have an actual news show(as close as ESPN can get) and they would have guests and now the “1st and Ten” portion has taken over and it’s all about the debate desk and the head to head matchups(debating). I watch it all the time. Not because i like Bayless, but more for the guests they have. I like Rob, Jemele, and I really like Ryan Clark(Steelers) when he’s on there. I wonder how long they will have Hugh Douglas on there. You can’t tell me that he even remotely seems intelligent. I’m sorry, but he sounds like he doesn’t know anything about football. The only issue that I have(because I don’t mind the Baylesses of the world having their attention seeking opinions) is them having 8 out of their 10 debate topics related to Tebow or Romo. Those two guys get so damn much play on FirstTake it’s sickening. It’s funny because they will ask the exact same question twice back to back(Can Romo lead the Cowboys to the playoffs?; then 5 min later Can Romo lead the Cowboys to a playoff victory?) Then they restart with the same old tired arguments. The producer of that show needs to be hacked because I really like the open-debate forum that show provides, but topics? interests? They have a lot to be desired.
White Horn Gold Pants
ESPN=FAIL
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that your's is stupid.
by HolySchnikes on Nov 14, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
That attempt at a picture=fail
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that your's is stupid.
by HolySchnikes on Nov 14, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
If this don't prove Trent just like's balls, ridiculous claims, and other guys, i don't know what will.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 14, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
WTF?!?!
Who thought this would be a good picture?
by Jepp The Viking on Nov 14, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN crew performing lewd acts on our opponents
LOL!!! I TOTALLY see what you did there.
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by Admiral BigGun on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions
scratches head and looks awkward
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
think “monica lewinsky”
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by Admiral BigGun on Nov 14, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Dilfer...Grbac...who?
Dilfer is dumb. He came up with the “Total QBR” crap that ESPN is trying to peddle, he hates anything Vikings related, and so far, was wrong on Ponder. Let’s never talk about Dilfer again, he’s unworthy of our time. And who the hell is Elvis Grbac?
When analyzing a QB I find it helpful to be objective and comment on facts and observable data. Making comparisons isn’t helpful, especially when the person doing the comparing is dumb, and even more so when the person that has been compared to is completely unknown.
SKOL Vikings!
Dilfer
I could respect some of Trent Dilfer’s opinions if only he would acknowledge that he wasn’t a very good NFL QB. At least he apparently considers Elvis Grbac a better NFL QB than he was (and that much is true—Elvis had a slightly above average RATE+ of 102 while Trent posted a below average 88 in their respective careers), but to say that Grbac could do anything out there is pure silliness (I was in KC then, and I can vouch that he certainly couldn’t).
Two starts is not enough information to lower Ponder’s ceiling to that of Elvis Grbac.
because stupid people are stupid and its fun to talk about them.
Also, we’re 2-6 and we’re lookin’ to bitch.
(hmm, new signature coming up?)
White Horn Gold Pants
Does anyone remember/know if
Trent was ever trying to get a job with the Vikings and they signed someone else? The man has some serious butthurt issues. I’m hoping CP turns into a top 15 QB. So far he’s been having a good rookie season. A win tonight with all the pressure (Monday/Lambeau/etc) should be a good indicator.
Cheers
I think he's always hated the Vikes
The first game I ever went to was Bucs VS Vikes a long time ago(‘95ish) and Dilfer got ejected from the game. Maybe that’s it?
White Horn Gold Pants
Ha ha, I remember that game
DIlfer got sacked by John Randle, then punched Randle in the face. The only time I can remember a QB getting ejected from a game for unnecessary roughness.
by princelyfrank on Nov 14, 2011 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
Dilfer sounds like he knows what he’s talking about. He sounds a lot more knowledgeable than many of the quarterback anaylsts on the network. And then I remember who’s talking. The guy that set the position back a generation; the guy did it (quarterbacking) so bad that he can’t really have that great an understanding about what it involves.
why do we care?
i don’t care if it is dilfer, montana or anyone says…. why do we need to put stock into them being wrong? i don’t put much stock in them being right. imo, sports analysts are pretty much comparable to weather(wo)men!
do i care if an espn analyst says so-and-so runningback is better than peterson? hell no! sure it is nice to hear “that there is the best in the game!” i know who we got.
right now we have a losing record, stadium issues, and an early taste of optimism that ponder is our future qb.
by vikinghead on Nov 14, 2011 2:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
This should be GREEN
Hit the nail right on the head. For some reason, in today’s 24/7 sports news world, most fans not only want to hear about their team, but they want to hear about how good their team is. A true Vikings fan needs to keep perspective at this point in time. We know what we have in AP, JA, Percy, and now Ponder(we don’t “know” what we have, but all signs point north). We know we are a 2-6 football team, but we should find our excited in what the future has to offer, which is looking good.
White Horn Gold Pants
Why he hates the Vikings
I used to wonder why he always hammered on the Vikes (other than just his natural obnoxious personality) and then I learned that his last game in the NFL as a member of the 49’ers was against the Vikes when one of our LB’s put a hit on him and knocked him out of the game – and ultimately out of the league. He obviously isn’t over this.
I was at that game
I watched Difler (when playing for the 49ers) get taken down by EJ Henderson. Thus, started the Shaun Hill era in San Francisco.
Also, an atrocious analyst was born
Upon further review, I don’t think Dilfer’s Grbac comparison was meant to be so negative. Looking at a comparison of their stats, Dilfer wasn’t as good a QB as Grbac. Comp%: 55./59. TD/Int: 113:129 / 99:81 Yds: 20500/ 16700 in six additional seasons.
I assume if Dilfer was able to find work with such a mediocre resume, it follows that Grbac could have if he had wished to. His numbers would far surpass Dilfers had he stayed in the game.
Idk if it's the writers or Dilfer himself
but he’s done this for forever now. He’ll make a bad call and instead of owning up to it, he’ll just act like he knew what was up from the start. The entire 2009 season is a testament to his stupidity. Didn’t think we had a shot behind Favre but once we started winning, he hopped right on.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
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