Where We Commit Digital Seppuku
by Ted Glover on Nov 14, 2011 10:48 PM CST
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Put away the sharp objects, drain the bathtub, and unload your weapon. Vent here, but not at each other. And oh, do we have a lot to vent about. Vent about the inability of anyone but Jared Allen, Adrian Peterson, or at times Percy Harvin to make a play.
Vent about the horrid special teams.
Vent about the total lack of preparation by the coaching staff, with two weeks to prepare against our biggest rival.
Vent about the fact that the Packers were able to bring in their back up QB for mop up duty, and he looked better than Aaron Rodgers.
Vent about the fact that we have had our asses handed to us by our two biggest rivals in three of the last four times we have played them, and haven't beaten a division opponent in what feels like 11 years.
Just vent. Get it off your chest. Vent about this tweet from Tom Pelissero:
@TomPelissero
Tom Pelissero Christian Ponder just left with trainer. X-ray room is downstairs here. Oh boy.
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Vent about keeping the quarterback of the future in during an ass kicking.
And then we shall speak of this no more.
And a word of warning to any trollers, Packer fans or otherwise: I'll fucking ban you in a second. Pretty please, try something, I dare you.
Hey, Kyle Rudolph had a nice catch.
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Ugh. 45-7?
I was really hoping we would lose by no more than 14. But 38?!?!
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
Silver lining: in his postgame press conference, Ponder was all class, leadership and took his share of the blame. Completely the opposite of Cam Newton, who was petulant, childish and visibly frustrated after the Panthers lost to the Vikes and the Titans. Given that this franchise has no GM and a coach that looks completely lost, it’s good to at least have a QB who can keep his head up and lead in tough times.
This is a silly post
Ponder is used to losing. He did not do shit in college or in High school. Cam newton won at every LEVEL he has played at. Won every major award. I would be upset too if this was my 1ST time losing in my life. MJ was the same way and he won 6 rings.
As a generational Vikings fan, as some of you may be
I just want to say this one thing…I don’t even want the Vikings to win for me. All I want is for my dad to be alive and for me to be able to see his face if they win a Super Bowl…that would mean the world to and would be better imo than the team winning
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 10:53 PM CST reply actions
Same here
If I got to see my dad watch the Vikes win a Superbowl (I wouldn’t be happy about it) but I would take that over me seeing a lifetime of winning seasons and him never getting to see them win a Superbowl.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 14, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
i used to hope that too..
…now i’ll settle for my kids being alive when they win a SB!! (they are 10 and 11)
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by BranFavrenton on Nov 15, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
Un. Fucking. Believeable.
No fucking heart, no fucking preperation, no fucking defense, no fucking anything. We bent over and just took it. They Sandusky’d us into next week. I was depressed when we got killed by the Pack last year. This year, I’m downright pissed. I’m a beliver in Frazier, but come the fuck on!!! Loadholt is garbage. We need a new RT as well as a LT. Jesus H. Christ I am pissed beyond belief.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that your's is stupid.
We have a ton of holes
And when you play a Packers team that is hitting on all cylinders(or at least most of them) then you’re going to get exposed. Our defense, our poise, our RT, our LBs, our secondary got exposed last night. To give our team(defense) a little bit of credit. After the initial smack in the mouth we took from Green Bay, our defense played pretty well in the 2nd qtr. Even in the 1st quarter, the pass to Driver and the TD to Jennings were literally inches from being deflected and/or possibly picked so our defense can’t hand their head on that. The 2nd half, we got sloppy, started giving them free first downs even when we stopped them. Some of the calls were questionable, but some were blatant. The offsides is ridiculous and inexcusable…Greenway has been getting blown up all season….he has been severely disappointing.
White Horn Gold Pants
Embarrassing to say the least!
This coaching staff inherited this mess, but the team just isn’t playing for Frazier.
The Oline can’t stop a simple 4-man blitz rush.
They’re very undisciplined…way too many penalties again!
Stupid ST’s can’t cover a simple punt!
I usually like to think they are better than a 2 win team...
tonight they showed they are not. Very sad. Just fucking fell apart!
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 14, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
We all knew this was going to happen this season. A weak free agency push was the beginning. I love my Vikes, but my head hurts. Hey, at least we’ll get a good draft pick.
I prepared myself to lose 112-7
Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised by the whole holding them under 50 points and actually scoring ourselves deal.
Or it might be that with all of my frustration over how much kickers in every game I watch fucking suck that I might have been appeased a bit by the quality of the kicking tonight. Seriously, no missed extra points or field goals under 25 yards by either team.
Why do Vikes fans have such strong abs?
Because we’ve been punched in the gut so many times.
passing deep with 5 minutes to go up 31….yeah…but we sat back and took it like little bitches
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
their back up beat us...how is that running it up?
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
This is the Pros, not high school.
It is their professional job to score and ours to stop them.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 14, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
No such thing
As running up the score in the NFL.
If the Vikings didn’t want Green Bay to score any more points, they should have stopped them.
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 14, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
We aren't a bunch of Kieth Brookings (thought it would help to bring up the good times)
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that your's is stupid.
by HolySchnikes on Nov 14, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Amen to that.
Thanks for the brief reason to smile this evening.
by Caretaker QB on Nov 15, 2011 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
I am of the firm belief
that if you can’t stop ‘em, they shouldn’t stop.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 14, 2011 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed. The teams are there to play the game.
Once you start screwing around out of sympathy or whatever, you’ve stopped competing and there’s no point to that.
It is a competition
there is no such thing as “running up the score” when the main intent of the game is to score as many points as possible. If you don’t want the score run up on you….THEN STOP THEM!
To add insult to injury, literally
Antoine out for the year, broken clavicle
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 PM CST reply actions
@TomPelissero
Tom Pelissero
Antoine Winfield has a fractured clavicle. Likely season-ending. #Vikings
10 minutes ago via Twee2
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
i thought 2010 was LAST year...
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
awful, awful AWFUL
The worst part about all of this is hearing all that SHIT talking at work! I feel some PTO coming on!
"If a kid calls his grandma "Mommy" and his mama "Pam", he's going to jail!"---Chris Rock
by TSAX on Nov 14, 2011 11:01 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I turned the TV off in halftime...
and went to my soccer game. They killed us 8-1 but hey, it was way better than, for what I see, watching that 2nd half.
Can someone tell me about the injuries, please? I had to leave before 4th Quarter (mercifully, it sounds like).
Who got hurt, what got hurt, and how?
Thank you!
He's says it's nothing...
In his presser he said that his LEFT hand was stepped on, but the X-rays came back negative anyway.
Check it out here.
It drove me crazy
hearing Jon Gruden telling us all night long about how perfect Aaron Rodgers is. And the pre-game announcers. And everyone on ESPN. Seriously, I’m positive that Gruden came at least 5 times when talking about Aaron tonight. I used to like Gruden, but I can’t stand him anymore. I get that he’s a great QB (as much as that pains me to admit) but come on, there were 1 and a half teams playing tonight. He could’ve talked about something else for a couple minutes. Oh wait, he talked about Childress and the stadium situation for a couple seconds.
well...he went 23/30 - 250 yards - 4 tds - 0 ints - 140.3 qbr....that doesn't suck.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
You are right
But I can remember on two different occasions where AD ran for 8 or 9 a piece where they were still talking about how awesome Green Bay is.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
i agree it was irritating and over the top,
but gruden always focuses on who/what is good and going well. he rarely gets critical and points out negatives…as i can recall. plus, he is sooooo crushing on mr. porn stache.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Gruden can't read.
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Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
by Wiedmann on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said he sucked.
I think he’s the best quarterback in the league. But listening to them all talking about him all night as if he’s the only thing that mattered made me sick. Gruden slobbering all over his dong got annoying right away. Then I had to listen to it for 4 quarters.
i know...i hear you....it was getting R rated, for sure.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of reminds me
Of everybody gushing on and on about Favre, especially in his Packer days, no matter how terrible he was playing that night (and for all his good night, he was horrid a LOT).
I think John Madden spent 2 years of his life on his knees in front of St. Brett in the 1990’s.
I usually like Gruden but tonight it felt like...
…any second Gruden will run to the lockers to give free “oral pleasure” to Packers!
Sidenote - I'm confused why we should even bother getting pissed.
We knew they’re an annoyingly good team and we’re not this year. It’s not wrong to hope for an upset but getting insanely angry over the results that most of us (sadly) expected, isn’t worth the stress, imho. :(
It all cycles around, folks…we’ll eventually be back to form and doing well, just gotta be patient. It could be a while, too, but so be it. C’est La Vie.
Because the Vikings have a knack lately
for looking disinterested, at best, against their top rivals. Deep down, did I expect them to win? No, but I did expect and NFL team to show up and play like an NFL team.
The coaches had two weeks to get ready for this game, and this was the most woefully unprepared and undisciplined team I have ever watched coming out of the bye.
It was goddamn embarrassing.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
by Ted Glover on Nov 14, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, I guess that does make sense.
I didn’t feel like they were that “disinterested” but I don’t have the access that you may have to the team so it’s hard to judge on my part. Sucks that they weren’t trying so hard.
The first couple of quarters I felt like they made an effort at least. We just lack the talent right now, it’s annoyingly as simple as that, I fear. :(
Hopefully our front office starts to make some really good but really tough decisions to get us out of this cellar and moving forwards. SKOL!!
Frazier is terrible
He needs to go. When will the front office recognize our greatest weakness (pass defense) and do something about it, instead of going all in on washed up quarterbacks?
Marney Gellner's number one fan.
Doesn't it seem like our pass defense has been terrible for like a decade now?
by Chriswisser on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
Actually
it seems like it has been horrible since Tony Dungy left for Tampa.
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
This.
Dungy never coached the “Tampa 2” as soft as we play it. He used to blitz corners and play schemes from it to keep the oppo honest. We sit back in that soft shell and LET teams dice our defense. Waiting for mistakes isn’t good enough against even a ‘good’ NFL QB. Let alone our utter refusal to address the safety position, which is sorta the KEY in a so-called Tampa 2.
And I didn’t understand the love for Frazier last season when he got crushed by both the Bears and Packers. I haven’t understood it this year, given his inability to manage the clock, and his incapability to prepare his team for Divisional games.
He’s in over his head. And it might be worth considering that 9 teams passed over him for HC before we took him “Before someone else does.” Hmm…. just because Tomlin turned out good doesn’t mean every one of our DCs would.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 15, 2011 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
The love for Frazier came from hope
because he does not have the demeanor of Childress. Nor does he have the roster control of Childress.
Chilly was coaching for BOTH games
against Green Bay last year. It was the debacle in the Dome that led to his firing, remember? Actually the first game in G.B. we should have won, technically. Even the NFL concluded that the TD by Shiancoe should not have been reversed. And GB did not score again after that (nor would have IMO, given they would have had no momentum) and thus, since we were ahead, we should/could/would have won.
But I agree, Frazier is in over his head and is just not that good. We should have addressed the secondary a long time ago.
It was under Chilly, but it was Frazier’s secondary.
You would think with a former defensive coordinator as head coach,
that the defense would shine. I actually thought that the soft cover 2 that his defenses played was actually Childress micromanaging, telling Frazier that the defense would play a cover 2. I was wrong, as noted by the fact that Chilli’s been gone for almost a full season and that soft cover 2 is still around. So, to Brad Childress, I apologize for giving you the blame for something that wasn’t your fault.
I would also like to add that just because someone was a defensive player for the 1985 Chicago Bears does not make them a good coach or defensive coordinator. Exhibit A…Mike Singletary.
I don’t know who the rest of those guys are, but I am a Packer fan, and I am one of those who try to ad something positive to the conversation, such as what the Vikings need to do in the draft or whether or not they should trade guys like Allen and Shiancoe.
Thanks for not trolling.
It’s a good thing that there’s a few of you out there or else I’d consider your entire fanbase to be unrepentantly irredeemable. LOL
NFL sucks
If they’re not going to call a fair game it’s going to get ridiculous. How many pass interference penalties did the Packers get away with? It may have been a record.
I have to wonder if the taxpayers who don’t want to pay for a new NFL stadium have a point. If the Vikings are always going to get treated like this by the NFL, as it has been for years, then screw the NFL. I love the Vikings but it’s not worth an investment to have a team that doesn’t have equal standing with NFL referees.
simple good teams dont commit stupid peanalties
stop blaming the refs
Who said life was fair?
When I find that person I'll beat the hell out of him
.. and the best team in the NFL didn’t commit any penalties tonight, right? Please, try to argue that so you can get banned from this blog. No one is blaming the refs for the loss – they’re blaming them for blatant favoritism that makes the loss that much worse. Even if they Vikings win, I would still complain about bad officiating.
if you’re a Packers fan, please get off this blog. Now. If you’re a Vikings fan … wow.
I'm sorry?
I am simply trying to point out that good team don’t commit stupid penalties. were the questionable calls yeah. the packers are a good team, and I am not a packer fan by any stretch of the imagination. The packers are significantly better than us, as much as it pains me to say it. it’s just fact my friend
Who said life was fair?
When I find that person I'll beat the hell out of him
… sigh … I guess we’re all bitter after tonight. But bad calls are bad calls. And when they make a night like this even worse, that’s worth venting about. By the way, I’m restricting all officiating-related comments to threads like this one marked specifically for venting.
Vikant has been here quite a while - I assure you he's not Packer fan.
We’ve not always seen eye-to-eye but he’s true-blood Purple.
offensive pass interference
the push off of asher allen on 4th and 2 that resulted in a fresh set of downs looked as blatant as Percy’s in the 1st half…but it wasn’t called on the Packer….
the “interception” by Woodson? thankfully that was correctly overturned.
Just heard about Antoine Winfield.
I really hope he makes it back soon.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2011 11:15 PM CST reply actions
Let the man rest – he literally had insult added to injury tonight, and he shouldn’t have to share the field with the rest of the inept chumps in this “secondary.” See you next year, Antoine – heal up, and hopefully the rest of the team doesn’t embarrass you again.
I think he's played his last down as a Viking
He’ll be 35, and is set to make over 7 million in 2012 and 2013. No way the Vikes bring him back with that salary.
/sobs a little
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
I agree
I agree Ted, I think it is time for the Vikings to focus on getting younger over the next few years. Doesn’t matter how they do it, just get younger, everywhere they can.
by Timothy Bryce on Nov 14, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
so long as it isn't Asher who takes his place as the Nickel
i’d take Sherels there, though.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I'm hoping
He’ll either restructure his contract or retire. Neck injuries have a tendency to stick with you even after it’s healed. Maybe the broken collarbone will be the last straw for Antoine and he’ll just figure “Well, i’ll be 35 before next season starts and my neck is broken. Time to hang it up”
Yeah, you do. . .
I’ll bet. . .
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by Christopher Gates on Nov 14, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
I really do.
He’s been around a long time, and it really sucks that he comes back only to get hurt again.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 14, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
The sooner you stop assuming the caricature of Packers fans you have created is reality, the better.
You’ll realize we don’t wish for injury to other team’s players, or all of the other ridiculous things you make crazy assumptions about. Most Vikings fans didn’t troll in 2009, and most Packers fans don’t troll now. Taking a small minority & assuming it’s the norm is foolish.
13.
Grossman: Sup, you insulin needing bitch! The sex cannon has arrived! Now get the hell out of my locker room, you chinless mother fucker!
To me, there's only one question
I am a Bears fan but I am not trolling. Serious question here.
Is it better to put Ponder out there and just let him get the living crap beaten out of him in hopes that he gains experience that will help him years from now (a la Troy Aikman), or do the Vikes let him become a shellshocked shell of a QB (a la tons of QB’s that were thrown to the wolves early).
Do the positives of experience and game time outweigh the confidence-crushing events of the day?
I honestly am not convinced that they do.
This is a lost season for Purple, so it should be all about working on next year.
The only way you get better is by doing
not by watching other do…or not do, as the case would be with Vikings QB’s. Let him play and hope he doesn’t get killed.
But if Pelissero’s tweet is accurate, that ship might have sailed, too.
Some people just need a high five. In the face. With a chair.
WHAT HAPPENED?? Can someone answer me please?
I’ve seen nothing about any Ponder injury.. Anyone know anything. :(
I’d guess a torn muscle in his leg from running for his life all night.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
so what do you expect us to do...
put in Joe Webb or McNabb…??
as a Bears fan, you should know about OLine issues. Ponder isn’t the problem.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
No, but keeping him alive may be
I am serious, a lot of guys get damaged early by being thrown to the wolves and they never get over it. A guy like Rogers, may his Packer ass rot in hell, had years to get prepped and ready.
Believe me, I know all about o-line issues, we have had them in droves over the last few years (thank God we are finally getting better… seems odd not to see my QB near the top of the list of sacks). I didn’t see good line play tonight, however, I saw a line that was getting pushed around all over the place. It happens.
Personally, I think if you go with ponder long enough and expect him to do everything, one of two things could happen… and the good thing is much less likely than the bad thing.
My take. Your milage may vary.
Unfortunately, if he sits and does nothing.
Nothing good will come of it. He’s not going to learn anything he hasn’t at this point from McNabb. And he’s definitely going to learn nothing from Joe Webb. So you play your franchise.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 15, 2011 5:59 AM CST up reply actions
Bears fans also know that a much-maligned OLine with ZERO talent infusion can step it up and get the job done in both pass protection and run blocking. How? Maybe they have a good coach! Us Vikes fans really can’t relate to that.
i'm beginning to believe that.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
it's martz changing his system, forte being so vewrsatile, and cutler can throw.
i won’t start giving tice credit, he has driven that group down and floundered for a while with them. but they looked great last week, and i guess yesterday they must have dne well too.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
Ponder isn’t getting the crap beaten out of him – at least not to the extend we anticipated he would. It’s not the players holding him back – it’s the coaches and the playcalling. Those things won’t change, so might as well put him out there and see what he’s got. Even Aikman had a bad rookie season.
Agreed.
Other than Loadholt, the line held up reasonable well.
And Loadholt should’ve been moved inside the guard last season. He’s not an NFL-caliber tackle. Period.
by Shawn Gillogly on Nov 15, 2011 6:00 AM CST up reply actions
BTW
Of course, I hate you guys :)
I just hate the Packers 4,000,000 times as much.
I’m so angry I just threw a beer bottle towards a garbage can 50 yards away. I wasn’t expecting it to land anywhere close, but Cedric Griffin came out of nowhere, it landed perfectly, and Jaws jizzed his pants while comparing me to Joe Montana.
Ha ha!
I was having trouble viewing the game through all the jizz sprayed from the ESPN booth. I like Mike Tirico but Jaws and Gruden are vomit-inducing!
by Caretaker QB on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
I didn’t notice any jizz coming out of the vaginas in the ESPN booth. But I did notice the view of Rodgers and McCarthy’s crotches was blocked by a horde of NFL analysts falling over each other to get a taste.
by mg7505 on Nov 15, 2011 12:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
rec’d like hell
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Ha! Well done my apprentice
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
This game was definitely not what we needed right now
With trying to get a new stadium deal and all.
Christian Ponder: Super Bowl 50 MVP for the Minnesota Vikings
feel sorry for ponder i really do
the vikings are going to David Carr him
Who said life was fair?
When I find that person I'll beat the hell out of him
Why? Because he has one WR, a shit O-Line, two decent tight ends and the best RB in football behind him? Puh-leeze. He’s in a very similar position to Cam Newton – their teams have the same record, and both just got humiliated this weekend (though in both cases, the QB wasn’t to blame). No one’s lamenting Cam’s situation because winners step up and develop into great QBs, regardless of the situation they’re in as rookies. And I fully expect Ponder to develop into a winner. He’s already having a better rookie season than Troy Aikman.
Ponder's left hand is swollen, via Pelissero tweet.
He should be fine. Husain Abdullah on the other hand, has a concussion.
Thank you for explaining that and providing some details! You rock!
Get well Ponder and Abdullah! And you too (of course) Winfield.
even kfan is slobbering all over the packers
my gawd
Who said life was fair?
When I find that person I'll beat the hell out of him
The Packers have so many pundits sucking their cock that they’ll blow their load 5 games before ever reaching the Super Bowl.
Would love to see
The Packers go undefeated and then get embarassed in the Super Bowl New England style.
by MNSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
venting and repeating
we’re essentially mathematically out of the playoff hunt — as if any of us really thought 10-6 would even clinch a WC spot…
TIME. TO. START. OUR. ROOKIES.
our safeties are crap, and Abdullah has a concussion — why not start Mistral Raymond next week??
our CB’s are garbage or arrested — why not let Brandon Burton actually see the field??
our OLine is disgraceful — why not put Fusco out there are RG and Love our there at LT??
face it, everyone — THIS SEASON IS OVER. time to look toward the future and see what we have in our youngens.
as for our veterans who have had plenty of opportunities to prove themselves and failed — i.e. Asher Allen, Tyrell Johnson, Remi Ayodele (why did we even sign him…), Charlie Johnson (…why did we even sign him…), and i’ll continue to throw Loadholt in there — time to make a change.
i’ve had far too much to drink to even remember what i really wanted to talk about. what a disappointment of a season.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
then season has been over
the game against Chicago validated that.
no one here thought the vikings, with THIS team would go on some unbelievable run
Who said life was fair?
When I find that person I'll beat the hell out of him
So many other teams have rookies step up out of nowhere – yet the Vikings have NONE (not counting Ponder, who was their first pick). Is it the playcalling? Or was this just another epically bad Vikings draft?
all viking drafts are epically bad, just get used to it
I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love - Beatles
by sniders' stash on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions
i think it is a combination of things...but i'm looking at the coaching staff after this one.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
ding !!! exactly.....we are like a rudderless ship without a captain.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
completely agreed
i’ve defended LF for far too long — this is inexcusable for a HC.
Musgrave i’ve been critical of all year, and this is the proof — he was never worthy of an OC position.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
so many other teams have rookies ACTUALLY see the field
it’s a shame we finally saw what Rudolph has to offer, but only in garbage time — that one handed catch was something of beauty. why hasn’t he been on the field more?? as our 2nd rd pick, that’s pretty disappointing.
it’s partially that we haven’t been drafting well, but IMHO, our last draft was excellent — the issue has been our coaching staff hasn’t been allowing them to play.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
this team is just brutal right now
i hate saying this about my boys but its just ugly. i happen to believe that the reason for this whole mess is leslie. he’s not the coach for this team right now or for the near future. this team needs an energetic coach that can pump them up. we have some great players and we should not be this bad but leslie is not gettin the guys up to play. i would love for the team to get someone really energetic and keep leslie as the OC tho
I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love - Beatles
by sniders' stash on Nov 14, 2011 11:30 PM CST reply actions
Asher Allen - Chump of the Week
Everytime we seemed to have a broken tackle, poor coverage, or a bad play in the secondary, I looked closer and saw #21 on the jersey and thought, “Yep, that’s Asher Allen, our worst CB on the roster.” When flags went down on defense I literally said out loud, “What, did they actually put Tyrell Johnson on the field?”, and sure enough…he was flagged for hands to the face.
Seriously, if our coaching staff continues to put those guys on the field, is it any wonder we lost 45-7? And for the love of all that is holy, why did our O-line have so many penalties!?!?? Every other drive we were backed up over 20 yards on 2nd and 3rd downs. Way to help out the team you undisciplined piles of garbage.
I never expected us to win, but I did expect us to keep it somewhat close. This was even more embarrassing than the Chicago game. Ugh.
SKOL Vikings!
Amazing how just having two decent cornerbacks – nothing special, just average NFL cornerbacks – could have won this team 3 more games this year. And if they ever played something besides a Cover 2? I think I just jizzed my pants.
Weak Secondary
It surprises me that our secondary is SO BAD, when Leslie Frazier PLAYED CORNERBACK. I mean, if there is any position he should have a clue about coaching, it’s in the secondary, right? RIGHT?!?!?
Maybe Frazier isn’t the coach we all thought he was. As a “players coach”, we should learn to expect undisciplined football from now on, because that’s all we got tonight.
SKOL Vikings!
Actually, it sort of makes sense – if you’re talented enough to play in the NFL (on a Superbowl winner!), how likely is it that you’re ALSO talented enough to coach a high-level NFL team? God just doesn’t give people both talents (unless you’re Jim Harbaugh).
and dick labeau
I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love - Beatles
by sniders' stash on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
+1,000,000
Seriously, if our coaching staff continues to put those guys on the field, is it any wonder we lost 45-7?
i can’t agree more. it’s the same players underperforming. we made a change at QB for that reason, and started a rookie — why aren’t we making a similar change at DB??
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
At least this is an easy draft – best player available with every single pick, except RB and maybe QB (depending on Ponder’s performance).
I'm not so sure, actually
We have to focus on O-line and Secondary, everything else isn’t as critical, even though we have needs all over the damn place. Sigh.
Honestly, the best thing we could do is start shopping some of these talented but fading Vets for Draft Picks. It’s the only way to jump-start this process in a timely fashion, imho.
I dearly love some of these awesome players but it’s honestly time to clean house so we can genuinely rebuild and quickly.
If it’s between a good DB and a Pro-Bowl nose tackle, I’d still take the nose tackle. Pro Bowl-caliber players make everyone around them better. I wouldn’t even care if they got another DE – would you really pass up another Jared Allen? Worst case scenario, trade that player for talent where they need it.
The problem is, though, that when you draft them, you just can't be sure that they'll actually deliver on their potential.
In a perfect world, your suggestion does make sense but since we just can’t know, I’d say go with what we need for several rounds. Then use the cast-off/random lottery rounds to find the other potentials.
here's an interesting stat
Packers blitzed DB on 19 of Christian Ponder’s 39 dropbacks, their highest blitz pct over last 4 seasons. Ponder: 5-17, 52 yds vs blitzes.
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM CST reply actions
Skewered due to at least four pass break-ups. Two by Woodson.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
well, we should count the near picks then as well, just sayin,
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
One near pick?
Shiancoe should’ve fought harder for the dime that was thrown to him.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
i saw 3 or 4
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
Congradulations. I saw two, one that wasn’t his fault (see above).
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
cool stat, where did you dig that up? (or here that)?
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
ESPN stats
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
thx
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
lets not start blaming the rookie for the loss now
note the word rookie
I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love - Beatles
by sniders' stash on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
and to clarify, I'm not pointing out Ponder's stats
just the severity of the blitzes he had to face in his 3rd start, 1st on the road in GB, and first on prime time
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
the absurd amount of times they blitzed DBs vs. our rookie QB
You may run like Hayes, but you hit like shit.
by valhallas_own28 on Nov 15, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
What the fuck Musgrave
We have this guy named Adrian Peterson that lines up directly behind our QB (Christian Ponder, if you can’t remember), and occasionally beside him, that loves to get TD’s and run mother fuckers over. I know you want Ponder to get progressively more integrated in the offense so we don’t have to use Peterson so much, but when he’s rumblin’ bumblin’ and stumblin’, KEEP. THAT. TRAIN’A ROLLIN!!
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 14, 2011 11:42 PM CST reply actions
A new low
in playcalling and offensive schemes and alignments by people who call themselves coaches…
by liveforadrenaline on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
Schems? What schemes?
The reason they never seem to get AD involved enough, or “play their game” is because they HAVE no game. Musgrave has failed utterly to develop a coherent offensive identity. It’s not like he’s neglecting AD – he’s neglecting everyone by just picking random plays and “spreading it around” to no one in particular. Drives end before they start, no one gets their touches, and no progress is made towards anything we can call an offensive scheme.
no kidding. for a guy we just signed for $100 million, 14 carries seems pretty light.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
i keep trying to call into KFAN to bring up the fact that AP only had 14 carries
that seems pretty unbelievable. i don’t care if we lost by 38 — there was a time when we were only down by 14, and we passed on 2nd and 1, 3rd and 1… why the hell weren’t we running?!
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
yea, and we got a drive started in the 2nd qtr, and then toby was in the game, wtf.
and then musgrave pulled that same webb crap again, for like 2-3 plays. it was mind boggling.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 14, 2011 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Musgrave was just a poor hire
straight up. there’s been one point all season, for a split second last week when we started using Harvin in a more creative role against Carolina, that i like what Musgrave was putting out there. aside from that, the only thing he has displayed is that he isn’t worth a damn as an OC in the NFL. QB coach, sure… OC, not a chance. and anyone who tries to pull the whole “learning on the job” excuse is only kidding themselves.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
i know, it drives me nuts when he puts together a string of good playcalling...
only to revert back to this demonstration. he had 2 whole weeks to get a game plan together for tonight. i’m not feeling like he or leslie has the “it” factor i’d like to see in our coaches.
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
They’re at their best when AD and Percy are running reverses and short passing routes, which opens up the rest of the field for a deep strike to Jenkins, a toss to Shiancoe/Rudolph, or even a Gerhart run. That COULD be their identity if they just stuck to it and fleshed it out. Instead, Musgrave closes his eyes, spins around three times and pins the tail on the playbook every single down.
Seriously
Why does having Toby or Percy run the ball so often do a ANYTHING to give us a leg up against the defense?
It just seems silly for a coach to do this…
by liveforadrenaline on Nov 14, 2011 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Disagree
Percy is just as dangerous as Peterson in the running game. Both run like they’re a refrigerator and his runs often catch the defense offgaurd. I’m pretty sure he’s averaging over 10 yards/carry.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
i think it's fine...but it's how and when you run them that makes the difference, imo.
(the difference between being effective and deliberate or just swinging at the pinata).
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly
Timing, rhythm, momentum, and players giving it their best on EVERY play is the key.
I love Toby’s running. And I love Harvin as much as anyone. But we never get any momentum because we have virtually every non-line player except for quarterback worrying about whether they are going to play the next play rather than whether they are going to do a GREAT job on the next play. You just can’t focus when you spend all your time running back and forth to the sidelines on every play. No other team does that like we do, and we are failing miserably.
We could dispense with a large number of our problems if we sent Harvin deep on every play to spread the defense and wear them out downfield while throwing to him frequently and keeping Gerhardt in to run or block. It seems like we are wasting Harvin’s unique talents, meaning instead of Harvin having fun flattening safeties and corners, maybe like Woodson, he’s taking a lot of abuse that Gerhardt and Peterson could take, and overall and more importantly its gonna hurt our passing game to have 300 pound linemen and 275 pound linebackers continuously land on him…
by liveforadrenaline on Nov 15, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think running was going to get us back into the game once we were losing
Which was basically from the start of the game. He probably still could have had more carries in the first half (when we still had a chance) but once we were down that far, you’re stuck throwing.
AND that’s why I’d much rather have a pass-first type of team – far more easy to generate some crazy comeback than relying on even a great RB like AD to save you. It’s not worked for us in a LONG time.
down by 7 or 14, or even 17...
…you can still run the ball effectively with an RB like AP.
when you let the game get away from you and you’re down by four TDs… then sure, the running game is effectively done for.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I'm not sure I agree anymore about that first sentence
Teams have proven that they CAN stop AP pretty consistently once they can stack the box like they always do. I no longer think that he’s somehow going to figure out how to get by those guys. The proof if in the pudding, really.
If he didn’t break free for anything special in the carries he had, why should we expect or assume he would’ve broken free if he’d only had 4-10 more carries??
No, I think it’s time we started changing our team and stop relying on him so much. Until we get strong QB and WR play, we’re stuck with what we have (which sounds terribly considering how great AP is) but at some point, we need to strongly improve the passing game if we’re going to compete with the rest of the new-look NFL. :(
Tough one tonight.
I’ll tell you what though, Jared Allen is a scary human being. I played DE in HS and college and man is it a treat to watch a guy with so much natural ability. He doesn’t even have to beat and O-lineman to make a play, he just has to be at arm’s length. He goes out of his way to not risk injuring QBs either, class act. I was still cringing every time he got near Aaron though, whew.
I put the team on my back!!!!!
Thought it was interesting how the crowd booed Jared Allen whenever he made a play.
I didn’t hear that reaction towards any other Viking. Was it respect? I’m thinking so. Maybe they were saying “Kuuunnz!”
by Caretaker QB on Nov 15, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
Packer fan here
and I hate Jared Allen (of course) but as they say, “They don’t boo nobodies”.
Jared Allen is definitely not a nobody.
And honestly, I don’t mind if he or Demarcus Ware breaks the single-season sack record – whatever it takes to get that sham of a record Strahan has off the books. That gentleman’s agreement BS sack of Favre to take the record needs to become obsolete, the sooner the better.
by Archibaldcrane on Nov 15, 2011 1:02 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's about all that's left for us to root for this year - is the sack record for JA.
Good luck to you. There’s lots of guys on the Packers I’d like to boo – including Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson. Now that we’re done playing you, the Pack might as well go 19-0 and make those geezers from the ’72 Dolphins shut up and fade away.
by Caretaker QB on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
As suicidal as this may be...
This reminds me of listening to the Vikings/Seahawks game back in 2002. Horrific, inconsolable, are unbelievable are a few words that come to mind. Randy Moss drops passes in the end zone, Randall Cobb running a punt back for a touchdown, wait… all the bad seasons are running together. I understand that this is against the Packers (an unforgivable sin as it is). But really, this isn’t 2009, with the magical piece being Favre at quarterback. The offense and defense both had huge mistakes almost equally. Heaven help me, as I unload my 9MM and take a deep breath, we need to look at the future and the possibilities.
Areas to address:
1) Kill Aaron Rogers Fix the secondary issues. I’m tired of, as long as I can remember, good secondaries belonging to another team. This team has the D-line of champions, and a linebacking core as good as any in the league. Time for the D-backs to get it in gear, whether through drafting or free agency.
2) Kill Charles Woodson Give Christian Ponder some new, talented targets. Our receiving core is OK, with Percy Harvin be quite exceptional, but no one is stand out. We don’t have Peyton Manning as our quarterback to turn no-name Austin Collie into a serious threat down field. We have Christian Ponder, a man I have deep respect for considering all the blame he personally shoulders. Despite being exceptionally poise in the pocket for a rookie, poise means nothing if you have no one to throw to.
Such is our lives as Viking fans. We put up with the good (1998, 2009), and we put up with the bad (1998, 2009). I keep praying things get better. Here’s hoping for a remarkable turnaround season, and we beat the Packers in the playoffs like ’04. Or not…
"Fix the secondary issues. I’m tired of, as long as I can remember, good secondaries belonging to another team."
that’s the issue — we’re a run-stuffing team in a new pass-dominate league. yaaaaaay.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
Run stuffing?
This front 7 couldn’t stuff a turkey.
Dude, what game were you watching…
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
The one where James Starks had as many yards as Adrian Peterson, on less carries, behind an equally bad OLine.
Sorry not to be snarky, but it’s just rough to watch this “defense” – even if they are run-stuffing with the best of them, it ultimately means so little … what I wouldn’t give for Chad Greenway to get an interception or a sack.
Yeah,
it doesn’t really matter if you can stop the run if you play teams that don’t really run the ball. Like the Packers. And most of the teams in this pass happy NFL. Times are changin’ and the Vikings need to get onboard very quickly.
When our defense is on the field so long (due to playcalling), we’re gunna give up rushing yards to the outside like we did.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, and
qwn your snark. We’re all pissed off right now.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
personally, i don't think he's being snarky enough.
come on, man !
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
...
Someone needs to teach this kid how to snark.
What the fuck Musgrave
We have this guy named Adrian Peterson that lines up directly behind our QB (Christian Ponder, if you can’t remember), and occasionally beside him, that loves to get TD’s and run mother fuckers over
I’ll fucking ban you in a second. Pretty please, try something, I dare you.
And the grandad of them all…
Un. Fucking. Believeable.
No fucking heart, no fucking preperation, no fucking defense, no fucking anything. We bent over and just took it. They Sandusky’d us into next week. I was depressed when we got killed by the Pack last year. This year, I’m downright pissed. I’m a beliver in Frazier, but come the fuck on!!! Loadholt is garbage. We need a new RT as well as a LT. Jesus H. Christ I am pissed beyond belief.
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
snarky at the spelling bee...
proctor: SNARKY
12 year old:
snarky…can i have a word origin please?
proctor:
uh really, snort. (that’s a sarcastic snort)
12 year old:
okay, can you use it in a sentence please?
proctor:
i don’t mean to be “snarky”, but you don’t really need me to use a simple 6 letter word in a sentence, do you?
12 year old:
snarky…..G…O…F…U…C…K…Y…O…U…R…S…E…L…F…snarky
proctor: snort
http://www.onelook.com/?w=snarky&ls=a
warcraft, you are my guitar hero !!!
by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
I was watching the game where the pack were at 3rd and long
on their own 3, and ran for a first down…..
by michiganpat on Nov 15, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm old
But I would definitely kill to get a new safety like Hall-of-Famer Viking Paul Krause to shut some of this crap down…
by liveforadrenaline on Nov 14, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
i'm not even old enough to know it...
…and 50% of Krause is better than what we have now.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
What I wouldn't give...
…to have someone in the defense that opposing quarterbacks didn’t like to throw to, like Charles Woodson/Tillman. Ponder is good, but look at 1998 and 2009 to see how far only a good offense can take you. Not that there were not stars on the defense, but when it came down to it was not enough. I still remember the headline (Anderson Misses, Andersen Makes Him Pay).
Various sadness of the days:
1) The Vikings lost – nay, were massacred. I thought before the game that they would either win a close one or get hammer(tr)ucked. Dismayed to see option the second arise.
2) My volleyball team lost as well. Could’ve used a victory there to boost my spirits.
3) I’ve concluded nothing is more infuriating than special teams suckiness. And since both my favorite teams (Badgers and Vikings) are seemingly terrible at that, it leads to a lot of screaming at the TV.
4) I love my friends, but watching Vikings-Packers games with them is hell (living in Madison here). Especially when one of them is so neurotic, that she gets distraught and walks away from the TV when the Packers are only up by 2 scores. I actually like Aaron Rodgers (probably due to me calling him as a good QB before he started, and I like being right), but I want him to break in a thousand tiny pieces just for the schadenfreude against her.
I agree so much with #3
So many teams have managed to implode over the last 3 weeks by not being able to do anything good on special teams (Read: cover punts/kickoffs or hit field goals). This game may have gone the other way before Cobb decided to do his best Devin Hester impression.
As far as Ponder goes...
What did you all realistically expect? They guy has had zero training camp. Zero reps with the first team up until 3 weeks ago. And he is going up against the best fucking team in the NFL. He is being forced into passing from the very beginning without the benefit of establishing a running game against a team that is blitz happy. Additionally, who the hell is he passing to? Harvin? A slot receiver? Who the hell is protecting him? The only decent O-lineman is Hutch and even he cant stop a 7 man rush.
Ponder is the least of our problems guys. He will be a great QB and I have no doubt about that. Our 1st pick next year (assuming it isn’t #1) should be the best LT on the board, with secondary help or WR the next pick. It is a complete team effort.
Best player available with every single pick. LT would be ideal, as would a DB or WR … but aside from RB, DE, and (hopefully) QB, they need the most talent possible at every position. Even linebacker and nose tackle.
Disagreed with you above and here as well
Need to draft for what we need, regardless. I say get an O-lineman then SEcondary help ASAP!
I don't mean that post snarkily, by any means, I just don't agree that we should take whatever we get at a position
That’s all. :)
No worries; this is a discussion worth having, and it’s going to get very heated because of how far this team is up shit creek. My two cents: I wouldn’t pass up another Jared Allen just to get a decent cornerback (even though that would be a massive upgrade over what they have right now). Unless you already have someone better at that exact same position, you don’t pass up Pro Bowl-caliber players. It makes zero long-term sense unless you’re a contender who needs to patch up holes for a run the following year. I’d love for the Vikes to be in that position though!
We're having this discussion in two places so I'll stick to down here from now on. LOL
I think the problem there is that you just don’t know for certain during a draft who will pay-off and who is a dud. In light of that, it seems best to me to build off of what we badly need.
Plus I think a LOT of us Viking fans are really, really tired of not having a good secondary especially now that we live in the Pass-Happy NFL. :(
Yeah, one always has to balance the two considerations. Especially with the Vikings’ track record on talent evaluation. But still – by that logic, a player you draft for need is equally likely to bust, right? So might as well draft the guy that the conventional wisdom (which usually far exceeds anything in the Vikings front office) says is most likely to not bust at whatever position he plays.
Noone on here has downed Ponder…
"Let's go our there, and stick our fists through their ribcages, rip our their hearts, eat them, and shit them back out on the field!!" - Blue Mountain State
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Disgusting...
…in all of my 20 years as a fan of the Vikings, I never thought that I would be wearing a paper bag mask by the end of a game to hide my disgust with the team. I don’t know what was worse tonight, watching the Vikes take it up the rear the entire game, or listening to the damn announcers crowning the Pack all night.
Well, the good news is that Ponder passed
Archie Manning for 24th on the all time passing list for the Vikes. Now he just needs 500 more yards to pass McScab
On the bright side
Jared Allen recorded another sack, extending his streak. Other than that… there is no bright side
It's getting to the point for me now...
that all I can do is make fun of the Vikings. Otherwise I have an uncontrollable urge to start killing things. I will still absolutely destroy a Packer fan if they make fun of them. If I may use a quote from my favorite show, Community (slightly changed, of course, to fit this situation)
“The Vikings may be a toilet, but they’re our toilet. And nobody craps in it but us.”
The only way I can deal with times like these is to take lighthearted jabs at the team that I love and myself for loving them. But Packer fans, you watch yourselves… (I deleted a couple rude Packer fans off of my Facebook today. Call me immature, I do not care.)
Ponder was 16/34 for 190,
AP was 14 for 51 and a TD. Not surprised with either considering how TERRIBLY our offensive line played. TERRIBLE. OUT RIGHT TERRIBLE.
"Like I said, I don’t think anybody on this team knows what schism is, let alone could use it in a sentence. I thought it was an STD when I first heard it. And I was like whoa, we preach abstinence around these parts." - Jared Allen
Yuck.
I don’t know who to be angry at right now. There’s too many options. I don’t blame Ponder for this in the slightest, though. I know that for sure. And I know AP would carry this team on his back if he could. O-line and play calling thoroughly prevent that, though.
The Packers are proving that a dominant passing game cures all offensive (and many defensive) woes. To Musgrave’s credit, he helped develop Matt Ryan into a dang good QB. But to Musgrave’s epic DIScredit, he has failed as an offensive coordinator and made everyone – even AD! – look bad. Get it together!
Musgrave
needs to stop running cute plays and start ramming the football down our opponents’ throats.
disappointing
Ponder — 16/34, 190yds, 0TD, 1INT
AP — 14car, 51yds, 1TD
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Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I don't even want to discuss our offensive line play. at all.
Atrocious.
"Like I said, I don’t think anybody on this team knows what schism is, let alone could use it in a sentence. I thought it was an STD when I first heard it. And I was like whoa, we preach abstinence around these parts." - Jared Allen
Quite the opposite for me, I saw a very offensive line on the field.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
Add that I'm not even sure
That Kleinsasser, one of the best blocking tight ends in football, was even in more than a couple of downs, or that Shiancoe was kept around to block much instead of idiocally sending him deep on most of the plays, and that Gearhardt wasn’t kept in to block much, either…
This offensive scheme has to be one of the worst in football. If my brain wasn’t tired from watching the playcaller have Harvin, Peterson, Gearhardt, Shiancoe, and everyone else running back and forth between the sidelines and the huddle all night then I would be really pissed.
by liveforadrenaline on Nov 15, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Where was Gerhart?
I’m an unofficial visitor from Niners Nation. And a long time Gerhart fan. Surprised in a blow-out like this that TG didn’t have a rush or pass. The 9ers need a good back-up RB to support Kendall Hunter if, or when, Gore gets injured, again. I’m curious if Gerhart is available for a draft pick or trade. What do you guys need? Other teams that might be interested include the Denver Broncos. Elway has seen lots of Gerhart at Stanford. Just fishing. We are very fortunate in SF to have landed a great coach, and a bunch of great coaches he brought with him. Like to see you guys get a really good coach and turn this Viking ship around. No that Frazier is not a good coach. He just doesn’t seem great.
We don't need a RB
We’d probably let him go for a third if we could, but a fourth sems more likely.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Nov 15, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions
I definitely think he's better than how we've used him
Typical of our team to get a good player and then bungle the use of him. I like how he runs and am a fan of his but our clueless coaching staff wouldn’t be able to get a drink from a cup that had the instructions written on the bottom of the cup. :(
true, he just isn't the ideal change of pace to adrian.
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by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
We need too many things to list, honestly.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started shopping some veterans in the off-season. Well, I kinda would. The front office doesn’t seem to know what they’re doing. But they SHOULD start shopping some people and get something to help this team rebuild. Gerhart would probably be someone I think we could afford to get rid of. I’m a big fan of his, but we don’t need him and I don’t think he fits with what we want.
I mean,
We could pick up a change of pace back that works better with AP’s skill set because I don’t think Gerhart is that guy. They’re too similar, he’s just slower. He pounds the ball when we could use a shifty, pass catching back to use on third downs. We’d have to get someone else, I’m not saying we just roll with AP and no one else. We’re not using Gerhart, anyway. We need a good backup, just not necessarily Gerhart. I’m a fan of Gerhart and I don’t really want him to leave, I just don’t think he’s what we need backing up AP.
He is Good
But we just haven’t found a place for him yet. If he could be as good as Chester Taylor was, my gosh our offense would be leaps and bounds over what it is now. Mr Gerhart just hasn’t had a well oiled machine to work with like 2008 or 2009. It will come, and the Vikings will take full advantage of it when it does.
Gerhardt would be very good if...
The offensive coaches knew what they were doing.
by liveforadrenaline on Nov 15, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was at the game tonight...for my birthday.
and it was completely embarrassing to wear a Vikings Jersey.
The only positive i can derive from the game is that since the packers got over 30 points (cry) i can cash in my ticket for a free 6 pack of Miller light. Gotta love living in WI…
What scared me the most about this game is that this would have been a shutout had the pack not fumbled that punt on the 13 yard line and basically handed us 7 pts….
Fix the O-line and the offensive problems will dissapear in a hurry
Ponder had under 2 seconds to throw on a 3 second drop..
Good news...
My Vikings franchise in Madden just won the Super Bowl. It only took me 3 years to build up that mess of a roster… With unlimited cap. God help us.
Vikings teams throughout their history.....
have rarely had their collective lunches handed to them in a single game. In the last 25 regular season games, it seems they have been dominated more often than they had been in all previous seasons going back decades.
It was shocking to see Kevin Williams dragged by a running back for an extra five yards or so. That play defines, for me, how far this team has fallen. It is time to identify core players, jettison many of the old-timers, and rebuild. The “All In” approach has truly debilitated this team.
Now where?
Is the guy that posted last week we are 1 to 2 players from elite? And I said we needed 10-15 players to get back around. I said it before and I’ll say it again..2009 the schedual was easy and the so called “magic” hid alot of what we saw last year and this year. You cant blame one guy. The team is broke its been broke for a time now. Anyone who does not think this teqam needs a rebuild knows nothing of football. The Jets did it, the Lions did it, and honestly…if the Vikes stay in Minnesota we are in for a rough 3 -4 years. If I was Ziggy I would spin rebuilding the team into the whole stadium rebuild thing also.
Make it a add campaign that spins the two together.
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All true......
if ever a team showed signs of burn out, it is this one. IMHO, they NEVER recovered from 2009’s outcome. If coaches can suffer from this syndrome, such as Dick Vermeil, Jim Mora, there is no reason players can’t be susceptible to it as well.
Completely expected
You couldn’t draw up a bigger mismatch in the NFL than Packers vs. Vikings. The Packers have the league’s best QB, five good wide receivers plus a good receiving tight end, and an offensive line that, besides Marshall Newhouse, holds up pretty well. The Vikings have one pass rusher in Jared Allen, one capable corner in Antoine Winfield, and a bunch of scrubs everywhere else in the secondary who would never see the field for a good team. Cedric Griffin’s days as an NFL corner are done, and Asher Allen’s days never even got started. The safeties continually rotate because not a one of them is any good, they’re strictly special teamers. It’s hilarious to me that this front office, or at least Frazier, thought this team could compete going into the season. This roster is so talent-deficient it’s insane.
Let’s list the Vikings who would start for the Packers. Adrian Peterson…Jared Allen…aaaaand that’s it. And I’m not even joking. Steve Hutchinson? No, Green Bay’s plenty happy with their interior line. Antoine Winfield? He wouldn’t start ahead of Woodson or Tramon Williams. Chad Greenway? Perhaps, but he doesn’t do anything particularly well, meaning it wouldn’t make a difference for them either way. Percy Harvin would never play ahead of Driver, Jennings or Jordy Nelson. Shiancoe’s outdone by Finley. Face it folks, Green Bay is, acrosss the board, better than Minnesota. Better by a lot. And the Packers aren’t like the ’09 Vikings, built for one last run at a Super Bowl. They have a lot of young players, including their QB, and they develop talent better than any team in the NFL.
Back to Minnesota for a second…I think people need to understand just how poorly this roster is constructed. As has already been mentioned, today’s NFL is a passing league. The Vikings, of course, are built to run the ball and stop the run. Great for 1970, not so much for 2011. Having a great RB on a bad team just helps you lose quicker, as the clock keeps running with every 3 yard run. Peterson’s a great player, but you need to build around the passing game first. And just look at how many bad players play for this team. I don’t just mean mediocre players, I mean bad players. Phil Loadholt is one of the worst starting tackles in football. People like to say active pass rushers give him trouble, I like to say active human beings give him trouble. Asher Allen has been in the league three years and has yet to cover a receiver. The safeties are special teams players. Cedric Griffin is finished as an NFL player. Devin Aromashadu wouldn’t make the roster for 25 other teams, and he now starts for this one. This is really bad.
Percy Harvin continues to be the most overrated player on the team. This team used a first round pick on him to play receiver, but he touches the ball more as a RB. Seems to me this team already has a RB, and actually two if you count Gerhart, who isn’t bad. How about he…I don’t know…goes out into pass routes and catches a few passes. He was drafted ahead of Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt and shudders Mike Wallace, and that seems like a joke now. He’s the Reggie Bush of the WR position, a guy you have to go out of your way to get him the ball, and it’s just not worth it. How about we put a freaking receiver out there who catches post routes and quick slants and deep outs and deep comebacks, instead of a guy who needs to be handed the ball to do anything. What an overrated football player, and on top of that he’s ALWAYS getting injured. I couldn’t trade that guy fast enough. A wide receiver who needs end arounds and screens to be effective…AWESOME.
By the way, a few weeks ago everyone here was proclaiming how great Brian Robison was and what a bum Ray Edwards, in comparison, was. I can’t speak for how Edwards is doing in Atlanta, but Robison has disappeared in Minnesota. He got off to a good start, but I don’t think he’s made a play in a month and a half. He’s not good against the run anyways, but now he doesn’t even rush the passer. I think we all jumped the gun on him as an everydown DE.
In the long run, blowouts like this are positive. The coaching staff can’t delude themselves into thinking a few cosmetic changes will fix everything when they lose 45-7. Those close losses at the beginning of the season only kept McNabb on the field longer, which was a huge mistake. It wouldn’t bother me one bit if this team finished 2-14, which is possible by the way. Get a high draft pick and blow this thing up. No more delusions of grandeur, but rather a hard, honest look at this team.
by frank_grimes on Nov 15, 2011 1:49 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Thank you captain obvious...
… for answering the question no one asked (“are the Vikes any good?”). How about answering the real questions: how does this franchise get back on track? What does “blowing this thing up mean” – who gets traded? Does Frazier have to go? Do they need a GM and/or other front office changes?
I would think...
As soon as the Wilfs offer Frank a job to answer all you ask (which is what the the FO and coaches get PAYED for) He’ll hop right on it. :)
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The reason this team has no GM is that Zygi doesn’t want to answer those questions or make the tough decisions when he does get some answers. If he wanted his brother or Spielman involved, he could have just made him the GM. But when there’s no GM, there’s no one to blame when things go south – and Zygi, like the rest of us, can just stay optimistic that things will turn around if he spends enough money and the fans keep buying tickets.
Yupp and...
Im going to say and people will flame me but…you bring in a journeyman back up QB and trade Webb. For those that are crazy on Webb wwe would be doing the young man a favour. The NFL will never know how good he is until then. I like your take on the team Frank its honest to the bones and that is what it has to be to even begin to get things right.
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What?
Percy is not overrated, he’s under-used!
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Blow the whole thing up and trade the guys we can still get value for...
and I know Fitz resigned with ARZ, but u think he may be rethinking that now…anyway possible maybe we trade Harvin and our first rd pick for Fitz in the off-season? The only guys off-limits right now IMO are AP, Ponder, JA and Greenway
Not even Greenway
As good in run support as he is, we need LBs who can cover the flat and slant routes and that’s something he’s woefully terrible at. Only problem is he signed that new contract and that might scare potential suitors away.
We can only look forwards, not backwards
Whilst talk of why did we draft Harvin, Gerhart etc over other players is understandable, it is also unproductive. We will get less value than we paid for them, there’s no guarantee their replacements will be any better etc. We need to find coaches who can surround them with other players who will maximise their own talents, in the position which will maximise their potential.
We’ve got them so who do we get in to replace them.
Free agency is always a lottery. For every good signing, there are two or three who never reach their potential especially as there is sometimes a tendancy to overpay. We can’t rely on teams cutting their players in pre-season, so Spielman needs to be on the phones at 12.01am the day free agency starts.
There will be depth in certain areas but not others. Top LTs are D’Brickshaw Ferguson and Joe Staley and I can’t see the Jets or the 49ers letting them hit the market.
Which teams have a lot of key UFAs so will be restricted in who they can sign?
The Colts have Wayne, Garcon and Gonzalez at WR – can they resign all 3?
The Saints have Brees plus WR Meachan and Colston
The Gaints have both Ross and Thomas at CB – will both be back?
Unfortunately with most teams, the most likley player to make an impact is the ones they will immediately resign.
So it comes down to the draft. But if we are picking at No5 and Jonathan Martin is available, do we entertain the possibility of a deal with the Bengals, and massaging the draft to try to take both Riley Reiff and Michael Floyd, leaving our R2 for the best CB or DT left and then visa versa in R3.
This team will only get better through the draft.
Wouldn't Viking tradition dictate
that next year we aquire the human neck injury known as Payton Manning (after they grab Luck) for one or two inglorious years. Wouldn’t surprise me.
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Draft Question
We’re going all DBs rounds 1-7, right?
QB
still gets crushed with that scenario.
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need a new O line
especially the Tackles.
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by Admiral BigGun on Nov 15, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Depending on the order that these picks go in, I agree. Depending on where we end up in the draft, I could see us dropping slightly in the first round in order to pick but another pick or two as well.
I agree with the sentiment that we need to get younger, and build through the draft. We can patch up a few spots here and there with FA’s, but I just don’t think that we put together more than a season here and there until we start drafting much better.
Only things left to root for
1) Allen breaking the sack record
2) Ponder playing out the string, living to tell about it and learning from it
3) Vikes play one game without a stupid, drive extending penalty
4) A new stadium gets approved
5) The Pukers going 15-1 and losing the NFC Championship game on a Rodgers pick
As for the MNF announcers
does nobody remember how Howard Cosell ALWAYS was going on (at halftime) about ‘The Pack is back… the Payack is bayack!’ — even when they totally sucked? Cuz I sure do. This is nothing new. Maybe it’s all the people who hate Dallas, ya see, cuz the Pack beat Dallas on the first two NFL chapmionships that led to Super Bowls, and really, since then, have always seemed to have their number, even in bad years. So all the Packer love may be just displaced Cowboy hate, and we just happen to be in the way.
The main problem is that the Vikings draft
just anybody, and not the correct people who’s talents fit the scheme. Well, if they have a scheme.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 15, 2011 9:54 AM CST reply actions
I know many of you say we need LT
but I want Justin Blackmon. Not because we have the same name, but because if we can get him and Ponder to develop together, this could be bright for the future of this offense.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Nov 15, 2011 9:58 AM CST reply actions
Gotta Love Shianco's after game quote.
“We didn’t come to play.”
You didn’t what? I know that phrase is an oldie but a goodie. But didn’t come to play?. What the hell did you come for then? To eat glass shards in some of Green Bays finer downtown restaurants? Anytime a player says this it just infuriates me. I’d like to see a whole lot more of Rudolph anyway.
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LOL +100
Agreed, also if I were an owner reading that comment I would say, “Well then no pay.”
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