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An Open Letter To ESPN

ESPN's Monday Night Football crew does their prep work for last night's contest. (Picture courtesy Wikimedia Commons)

To Whom It May Concern,

I just wanted to take a moment to point out that your coverage of last night's Monday Night Football contest was one of the most pathetic, disgusting displays I've ever seen.

I won't even touch on the fact that, in your pre-game "opening," the existence of the Minnesota Vikings wasn't acknowledged so much as one time. No, it was a three-minute tribute to Minnesota's opponents, who you placed on a level with America, apple pie, and the United States Marine Corps, and basically implied that anyone that wasn't totally in love with them should grab their local newspaper and see if Al-Qaeda has any openings.

There are plenty of examples that I could use to point out exactly how pathetic the coverage was last night, but let me point out the one that sticks in my craw the most.

Last night, apparently at some point during the fourth quarter, Vikings' defensive back Antoine Winfield needed help getting off of the field after an injury. Do you know why I say "apparently?" Because the three sycophants you employ in your football commentary booth didn't even bother to acknowledge it. We fans of the Minnesota Vikings. . .who, if you all missed it, were the other team on the field Monday night. . .didn't know that anything had even happened until Coach Leslie Frazier's press conference 20 to 30 minutes after the game.

Yes, I get that the [REDACTED] are a better team than the Minnesota Vikings are and that you absolutely, positively can't shut up about them. Great. Fine. Wonderful.

Antoine Winfield has been an outstanding player in the National Football League for a very long time now, in addition to being an upstanding person and someone that I've never heard anybody say a single bad thing about. It's entirely possible that the injury he suffered. . .a broken collarbone, since I'm still not sure if anyone from your network has bothered to mention it almost 12 hours later. . .could mean that he's played his last game as a Minnesota Viking, and possibly his last game in the NFL.

For your "crew" to not even acknowledge his injury is nothing short of pathetic. For your network to, basically, ignore the presence of the Minnesota Vikings for 3 1/2 hours is nothing short of pathetic. If you all want to be homers, that's just fine. . .change the name of your station to the Eternally Slurping the [REDACTED] Network and be done with it.

I guess if there's an upside to the Minnesota Vikings being bad and not getting many Monday Night Football games in the foreseeable future, it's that we won't have to worry about subjecting ourselves to the endless stream of crap that comes from your network's football commentators. I mean, seriously, when you're a Vikings fan that's pining for Joe Buck to stop in and take over the booth, that's a bad sign. Even John Madden thinks Jon Gruden took the ass-kissing a little too far.

Honestly, at last check, you guys are a national network, and you claim to be the "worldwide leader." It wouldn't kill you to at least, occasionally, act like it.

Sincerely,
Christopher Gates
Nauseated Minnesota Vikings Fan (and, surprisingly, not totally because of my team's on-field performance)

P.S. - Yes, I stole the [REDACTED] thing from the good folks at Every Day Should Be Saturday. It just works, okay?

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I thought I had tuned into "The Aaron Rodgers Show" during MNF's opening segment.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 15, 2011 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

ESPN ...Everyone Suck Packers Nobb

What a god damn joke that broadcast was. I bet Gruden is getting his stomach pumped this morning …. PATHETIC!!!!!

by NYVIKINGS65 on Nov 15, 2011 1:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Had to shut it off...

with all the d*** sucking they were doing to Rodgers and the Packers….we get it, he’s a good quarterback

by VikesFanInMissouri on Nov 15, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

amazing

I mean, I knew the ‘Best Team To Ever Play The Game’ slurping would be profound before the game even started, but not even I could have predicted the level of non-stop hyperbolic mess that I heard last night.

How many times did you guys think at least two of the announcers last night were just going to outright faint because of how in love they were?

I get it. The Vikings were a lowly 2-6 team… but a team with a good deal of talent, an exciting rookie quarterback, and the best running back in football… a team that damn near beat The All-Mighty Packers a few weeks ago. Nothing. Not a GD effing thing before the game and hardly during the game. I felt like I was watching a local Wisconsin sports channel- but I wonder if the local channels are even that ridiculously obnoxious (WI Norsemen want to chime in?)

 “Adrian Peterson is a fine runner, but lets be real here for a minute. If you put Aaron Rodgers in a running back position this year he’d amass 325yrds per game, Jaws! If you put Aaron Rodgers at DE, he’d make Jared Allen look like a college level talent. This guy does it all!!!!”

Not even mentioning the Winfield injury is just the tip of the poop-colored iceberg.

…on top of that we get humilated- AGAIN- on prime time TV.
Inexcusable coaching, but I’ve come to expect that recently.

by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Nov 15, 2011 8:20 AM CST reply actions  

Wisconsin sports channels are not NEARLY as bad as ESPN

Except in the Green Bay area, and then they’re much better analytically (generally speaking) than anyone on that POS ESPN.

Local sports anchors generally reserve their gushy over-the-top displays of affection for local high school football and basketball.

by Jurp on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike Tirico

I felt like Tirico didnt get a word in all night. They were all bad last night with the Packer love fest going on…but seriously I felt as though Tirico couldnt get a word out all night because he had to turn away from seein Gruden messing with himself while talking about Aaron Rodgers. Yes we know he can make any pass better than any other QB to ever play the game could, and yes we know he can make reads like no other QB has ever been able to make. Just gross listening to them last night.

by stuman55 on Nov 15, 2011 8:22 AM CST reply actions  

I didn't even know

Mike Tirico was there, I literally thought it was just the other two bafoons.

by arvi0121 on Nov 15, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I was actually thinking the same thing about Joe Buck..

I would’ve preferred his commentary. And I have nothing but disdain for that man.

Or can’t NBC just do Monday night, too? I hate Collinsworth too, but at least you have Michaels to even things out. And occasionally you get to hear from Costas, and that’s a good thing.

by dlfedie on Nov 15, 2011 8:25 AM CST reply actions  

Last night's coverage made me miss late-career John Madden.

That is I would have preferred to hear the John Madden of the late 1990s/early 2000s, who had devolved into a caricature of himself, complete with his hot furious man-love for Brett Favre, over Gruden and his Packer-slobbering last night.

by Midnight Rambler on Nov 15, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Did Adrian even get over 100yrds last night?

I don’t recall seeing a single Viking stat, except Jared Allen’s sack stat (which is the only good thing that came from that game).

by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Nov 15, 2011 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

Concerning the opening

Since they canned Hank Williams Jr, the openings have all been very home-team centric.

by Puddleglumed on Nov 15, 2011 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

you know what MNF opening needs?

They need Frank Stallone to take over the Monday Night Football theme.

How amazing would that be?

by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Nov 15, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with this article...

But only because it implies that ESPN is capable of anything better than the crap-fest pre-game intro the article criticizes.

by Midnight Rambler on Nov 15, 2011 8:32 AM CST reply actions  

Maybe a bit, sure

But would it have killed them to at least acknowledge the Winfield injury?

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 15, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

that I didn't know about

I turned it off after the Flynn TD, I’m a couple of time zones ahead and the game sucked anyways. If it’s true, you’re right, it’s pretty egregious. Though maybe they were just bored by that point, I know I was ;)

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by plinytheelder on Nov 15, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I watched the whole damn thing

and had no idea Winfield had gotten hurt until reading this; I had to read it twice to see if you were joking about the severity. F***!

by Oi Oi Boy on Nov 15, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too

First I hear of this injury is reading this article as well. Bad coverage last night for a monday night.

by NDRegalVike on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn’t he hurt going into the game? I heard he had a neck injury and may not play…maybe that is why they didn’t talk much about it. I didn’t listen much to the announcers so I didn’t really notice it anyway.

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by TrevorR on Nov 15, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

He's been out the last few weeks

But back this week. So no, this wasn’t the same injury he had coming in, so that’s not why they didn’t talk about it.

by amiller92 on Nov 15, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Prolly woulda killed em

But just because at that point, they are no longer capable of paying attention to the game at all.

by amiller92 on Nov 15, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I can not stand this MNF group

I don’t care who’s playing, these guys are worse than high school cheerleaders when it comes to having intelligent conversations. A player misses a play and he is the worst in the league. The next play, the same player makes a decent play, nothing extraordinary, and he’s the best in the league. I realize just about every crew does that, but not to the dumbness of the MNF crew. Jaws changes his opinion of anyone’s character, playing style, intelligence, scheme, etc. after each individual play….He says what he would do in this situation, the team on the field does the opposite and it works…Jaws replies about how awesome that call was and how he would have done the same. And then there are the producers….the big halftime crap with the NBA…I DON’T CARE, I’M WATCHING FOOTBALL.

To tell the truth, when the Vikings are on MNF….it’s much better if you have the TV on mute and then listen to the play by play on the radio.

by Chris3 on Nov 15, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

True story, all of it

I had to mute it before halftime, the amount of praise being lavished upon the Pack is just sickening. In recent memory, I don’t think any team (or player) has been more hyped up than this years Packers and Aaron Rodgers.

Peyton Manning never got this much love even AFTER he set records and was voted MVP…RIDICULOUS PRAISE IS RIDICULOUS

by tuckingfenpin on Nov 15, 2011 8:41 AM CST reply actions  

Great article

such a shame with no mention of antoine winfield’s injury…sorry guys, I know that’s salt in an already stinging wound.

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Fellow Packer hater

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by BearNecessities on Nov 15, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed

I wasn’t naive enough to think that they would talk about the Vikings a lot during the pregame, but I can’t think of a time where they mentioned the “Vikings” once. I think I heard them say Ponder once, then trail off about Arron Rodgers single-handedly rescuing a thousand blind children from a blazing inferno 17 minutes before kickoff. And, by the way, this is the first time I have heard of Winfield’s injury…. upsetting.

by jkunce507 on Nov 15, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions  

They literally treated it like a joke

“Should we talk about the other guy? They’ve got a pretty exciting young rookie (I, for one, was waiting for Dilfer to eat a little crow). Nah, we’re gonna talk about Aaron Rodgers and how amazing he is.”

Paraphrased but this conversation basically happened in the pregame. They even laughed about the idea of talking about the other QB. I get that he’s playing amazing but Chris Carter, ironically, had the hyperbole of the night. Again paraphrased “It’s not a hot streak, this is just who he is now.” Really? He’s going to average NFL records for the rest of his career? Sure…

by Cobra312004 on Nov 15, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

An Old Dr. Z Quote

Last night’s game reminded me of one of Paul Zimmerman’s broadcast-team reviews from a few years back, when ESPN still had the Sunday game and Favre was still a Packer. His review of ESPN’s Sunday Night crew went like this:

“When I die and go to Hell, Hell will be a Brett Favre game called by the ESPN Sunday Night Crew for all eternity.”

I think he might alter that slightly after last night. But only slightly.

by TheQatarian on Nov 15, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Let me just add

That I couldn’t go to the game, so I chose to go to a sports bar in the NW Metro area here in the TC.

I got there at 6:45 and they had on the local station instead of ESPN. The whole pregame show from that point on was filled with a couple of amateur dipsticks who traveled to Green Bay and did nothing but fawn over the Packers and tell idiotic stories of how great the place was. No actual football talk, and nothing about the Vikings, either.

Never again will I watch Channel 11/NBC for the pregame show.

by liveforadrenaline on Nov 15, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Better than ESPN

At least they openly admit they are GB fans

by Carson R on Nov 15, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

be fair....the MNF crews aren't Packer Fans

They are fans of whatever the cue cards tell them to be fans of. And that thing is the hot thing at the moment. If it was all of a sudden the rules changed to whoever scores the least points wins the game, they would be for the Vikings. Until the following week.

by Chris3 on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

they were particularly bad

I don’t care that they were in love with the Packers last night. They are clearly the best team in football right now and people all over the country were not tuning in to see the Vikings.

But they made some asinine comments like the reason Leslie Frazier decided to go with Ponder over McNabb was because he looked around the NFC North and saw other good, young QBs. Like Frazier is making personnel decisions based on how good and the age of other teams’s QBs. Do the Packers start playing a promising rookie RB because they looked around and saw the Bears and Vikings have two of the best RBs in the NFL right now? NO, Ponder is starting because McNabb was terrible and we were going nowhere. Time to groom the QB for next year which he would have and should have done regardless of the talent or age of opposing QBs in your division.

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by GopherNation on Nov 15, 2011 9:28 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Another pathetic display by ESPN

I knew it was going to be a long night when Gruden did one of his trailer QB sessions with Karen Rodgers and asked him what it’s like to be immortal. Whew! Who knew 1 SB ring gave you that power?? And Dilfer immediately steered a conversation back to Rodgers when Stewart tried to talk about Ponder. Disgusting display by ESPN.

Also, did anyone else notice that Steve Young looked a little like Herman Munster? His makeup was scary!! He also looks like the concussions are starting to catch up with him, or maybe it’s having to sit next to Dilfer and hear stupid comments about how hard it’s going to be for Houston to switch to a Lefty QB with Schaub being injured. I thought my brain was going to explode on that one. I mean Leinart has been on the team all season – does Dilfer know that he actually practices with the team every day?

by Torstein on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

Oh but they didn't miss a chance to plaster Chris Cook's

photo on the screen and the charges against him, it was as previously mentioned a disgusting display of commentary and left me wondering if Gruden and his pals are involved in some sort of 3 way love triangle with Rodgers.

The other thing I noticed last night was that even though the Vikes stunk it up……they got jobbed by the officials in this one as well, it was OK for GB to push off but they sure nailed the Vikes. There were 2 consecutive plays that there was blatant defense pass interference while Shiancoe was being molested.

Granted these things wouldn’t have changed the score of the game enough to make a difference, but did it need to happen in the first place? I don’t think so.

by Sixmark on Nov 15, 2011 9:34 AM CST reply actions  

Good call on the Refs

I don’t usually go in for officiating conspiracy theories but the Packers’ bias is so clear that during on of the ref huddles I jokingly said, “ok is this the call that needs to go the Packers way?” – coming out of the huddle the call went against the Vikings. You’re right it didn’t affect the outcome, but man they sure get all the breaks.

On another note, it’s also disgusting that the NFL lets them sell public “shares” of stock and ESPN had the gall to show a share from the 60’s. Of course they didn’t happen to mention that they’re the only franchise that’s allowed to do this. My wife asked why other teams don’t sell stock and couldn’t believe it when I told her that the cutsey little Pukers get special dispensation. How did this league survive the 25 years when the Packers sucked???

by Torstein on Nov 15, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

The share shown was actually from 1950

Hence the old “blue and gold” Packers logo. Personally, I’d like for every team in ANY sport to be able to go public – that way you get rid of the douchebag owners and extortionate stadium demands (not referring here to anything going on in Minnesota).

by Jurp on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Worse yet

Is those “shares” are a rip-off anyway, coming with essentially no rights.

by amiller92 on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

they

they are also the only team able to leap into the stand because the stupid Lambeau Leap was grandfathered in

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Nov 15, 2011 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not true at all.

I had to comment on this one just because it’s so absurd. Have you ever seen a player flagged or fined for positive fan interaction? I know Nick Barnett, for example, wasn’t punished for leaping into the stands in Buffalo this year after return an interception for 6. Probably because he used to be a Packer though, right?

Packers? Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks? Taking care of business as usual.

Brewers, Badgers? THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

by Tepo6688 on Nov 16, 2011 5:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Here is the opening video if you missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgorNWFAxI0
Yep our team hates America. Taliban Vikings it seems, ugh.

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by YankeeViking on Nov 15, 2011 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

*This makes me loathe our game with GB, well at least don’t play on MNF, none the less what they did was uncalled for. That’s how they treated us last MNF , it was all about Iggles and Vick, thank God we have the Lions in our division, otherwise you would think GB is all by themselves up in NFC North. You know the Kitties are the up and coming team, etc, etc.

by transylvanian bear on Nov 15, 2011 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

Wait - are you saying the Bears play in the NFC North too??

I hope Urlacher rag-dolls Karen Rodgers next time they play.

by Torstein on Nov 15, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Seriously, somebody needs to.

I’ll do it myself if I have to. I might be arrested and charged with battery, but I will totally Tanya Harding that b****. Jail without Rodgers has got to be more pleasant than freedom with him.

by Jayrome007 on Nov 15, 2011 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

classy.

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by TrevorR on Nov 15, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

More classy or less classy

Then recruiting other people to come to another web site and troll?

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

And yet

Same dude keeps showing up every week, posting the same picture.

Why, exactly, do you suppose that is, Ben?

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 15, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Because he's an asshole

and this is how he gets his kicks. The guy was a huge problem all over SBN all on his own. APC didn’t create him.

by Ben T on Nov 15, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

But really though,

if you don’t want to hear us talk trash about the Packers or their fans, don’t come to this site after a big loss. We have no kind words for the team or their fans even if they were being respectful. I know that there are a few Packer fans that come here that are respectful and don’t troll, but even with them, the relationship is very strained right now. The best thing for everyone would be for Packer fans to stay away for a few days while we lick our wounds. The respectful ones, feel free to come back after the Raiders game.

Calling one of the main writers ridiculous and childish is also really not a good way to get on anyone’s good side. We’re all fans here, including the main writers and we all get a little testy when trolls come over. Especially after an embarrassing loss to a rival.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

but he is the one being rational here. there is no reason to falsely accuse

packer fans just because he is in an emotional state and wants to create trouble.

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by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

But being in an emotional state isn’t exactly when you’re the most rational. And everyone should know that. Embarrassing loss means being put into an emotional state. The worst time to come here and try to defend their Packer brethren is right after what happened last night. Obviously, none of us are gonna be happy and have kind words for Packer sympathizers and they should know that. So they should just leave it be for a little while.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

he was trying to instigate trouble by making stuff up....not cool, imo.

you may have missed his 2 articles that mysteriously "disappeared’.

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by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

Doesn’t change the fact that it’s probably a better idea for Packer fans to stay away for a while.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

he didn’t say it on the Packer site. He said it here. We hate on the Packers here. Just like they hate on the Vikings over there. I don’t think it’s trying to instigate trouble if he says it here. He didn’t go over there and say it.

I thought it was disrespectful to call him ridiculous and childish. That’s a personal attack. Christopher Gates may have attacked the Packer fan base as a whole, but Ben T, I feel, took it to the next level and attacked him on a personal level.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

dude, seriously, you missed what happened.

your homerism is cute, but it is not taking into account the events.
you need the facts on this one. but they got pulled down by the same guy who wrote them in the first place. ben t is not out of line on this, imo.

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by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

We just got our ass whooped, give it a few days. I can’t believe they get so offended over there, I mean I don’t give a crap what they say there.

by jayj55405 on Nov 16, 2011 1:17 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Good ol PA

At halftime I brought my girlfriend home and on the way back I got to listen to Pual Allen on the radio….boy that made me feel just a little bit better! Until I got back and had to listen to Gruden drool all over himself again

by Carson R on Nov 15, 2011 9:49 AM CST reply actions  

Just mute the TV...

…and turn on the PA broadcast for every game.

It’s really not that hard, guys. All national broadcasts suck. But the KFAN presentation makes it a whole different experience.

Try it. You’ll never go back.

by Jayrome007 on Nov 15, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

The Three Blundering Idiots

Wow, Never in my watching Monday Night Football have we witnessed the Three Morons that host the game. If “Jaws” isn’t cursing, GurDon’ is trying to stike a pose, the comments are spot on and you know that ESPN is stuffing the script up their ass’s like a Thanksgiving Day Turkey. Please put a cut out of Howard Cosell and play some of his old comentary will be 100% better than the Three Blundering Idiots.

by BleedPurple60 on Nov 15, 2011 9:51 AM CST reply actions  

Par for the course for those guys.

I’ll start by saying even I was getting annoyed with Gruden’s fawning over Rodgers (and even moreso over Cobb…who you’d think had 10 return TDs this year with how they talked about him). That said, this is a little ridiculous guys. The game was a ROUTE. The team that won is undefeated and their QB is playing at a pretty amazing level, it shouldn’t be too shocking to hear announcers fawning over the team in that situation. Either way, its pretty much par for the course for those three. They are little little schoolgirls drooling over whoever is playing well…its what I expect from them. I think you just need to lower your expectations for ESPN! haha :-)

I am pretty sure the opening usually features the home team, but I didn’t see the opening so I don’t even know what happened so I won’t speak about it.

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by TrevorR on Nov 15, 2011 9:52 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Exactly Right

I hate the Vikings and was rooting for the other team, but even I had these guys on mute last night. The announcing was bad from beginning to end. The Decision-bad. They are a national network, ostensibly, and they ought to behave like one. That doesn’t mean play to bandwaggoners across the nation — it means strive to eliminate bias. This did not occur last night.

When I got online this morning and saw that Winfield, one of the most important Vikings of the past decade and one of the best corners in the league, was out for the season, I was shocked, because I didn’t remember him getting injured. You should send an e-mail to the ESPN ombudsman about last night’s game. I would myself, but you said everything so much better.

Last night is why I hate sports “journalism.”

by Late-era Dugout Convert on Nov 15, 2011 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

Couldn't Agree More

The pre-game coverage was foreshadowing of the debacle that was about to ensue. That being said, I was thinking the exact same thing…I’ve never seen a studio (and their staff) with a bigger b*ner over the Packers.

by sean342 on Nov 15, 2011 10:01 AM CST reply actions  

some really bad officiating in the 1st quarter

Not a mention of that either. Obvious pass interference on the 1st 3rd down play, Helmet to helmet on Matthews sack, and another helmet to helmet shortly there after(can’t remember who it was). Next play goes the other way for punt return touchdown. I’m still pissed about the 1st down we didnt get, they’re woo hooing about how great GB is, pom-poms shaking like crazy. Not very professional

No mention of the stadium issue and the urgency of it( I admit I didnt watch the pregame and fell asleep in the 4th qtr)

Winfield is one of my all time favorite Vikings (Im also a Buckeye). Shameful they weren’t paying attention

by scottfromcmh on Nov 15, 2011 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

i got real acquainted with the mute button real fast

And then went away during halftime plus a bit so that I could fast forward through some of their idiotic and annoying comments.

by Jurp on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

Not a fan of the love-hate commentating

I’m not from the US and I don’t know if this is also evident in other sports, but I’m really getting tired of commentators/sports writers/“experts” and so on.

It seems that a player is christened as a god when he hits a rich vein of form, only to be cast aside as useless when he has a bad game. I’m a die-hard Vikes fan and this loss has probably ruined the rest of the week for me. GB are good….I get it…..but I don’t need it shoved down my throat every 15 seconds.

The professionalism of the commentators during the game was probably one of the worst I’ve ever witnessed in my 20+ years of watching sports. By all means, call the game…..praise when it is justified and criticize accordingly. BUT, you have to stay neutral. It got a pretty nauseating at times, almost to the point where I was sure they wanted to have Rodgers’ children.

by VikingKL on Nov 15, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

Thankfully........

I only watched this game, without audio, at a local sportsbook. I cancelled my “premium” cable subscription about a year ago, due in part to all the claptrap coming from the way too many channels. ESPN included.

Make a small statement, folks. Do the same, send them a message. I haven’t missed it a bit. Neither will you.

by Mel Allen on Nov 15, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

Probably spot on.

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by TrevorR on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Commentators

This is why I turn down the volume for the games and not just for ESPN, but for the other networks….. however this doesn’t really change the fact that if the Vikings didn’t want to get their ass kicked like they did, they should have showed up to play this game like a real football teams does. Didn’t do it….

by bbwiscfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

Had to get your dig in on the Vikings there huh

Nobody even suggested that the Vikings did anything other than suck the entire game, but to say they are not a real football team is bordering on the elementary school mentality.

by Sixmark on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

This is why you can't get so emotionally involved into the Vikes..or any team

I’m just as loyal as a fan as you are, but you have to distance yourselves from something YOU HAVE LITERALLY ZERO control over. It is really worth it to have spoiled millionaires who don’t care about rivalries (I wouldn’t if I were them..this isn’t 1977) determine if you are happy in life or not? To me it’s totally not. Just call it as it is, the Packers are insanely good this year and it’s goign to take a miracle to beat them. Get that through your head, accept it, and enjoy watching JA tracking down the sack record and seeing if we’ve found our Aaron Rodgers of the future or not. And anyone who can claim they know how he’ll develop is full of shit. Only time will tell.

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

Great post. I totally agree. I love my team but man seeing how upset my wife was was shocking. I never let the games affect me as much as the game last night was. Be a big fan, great but honestly, its a sport. You can’t affect it, just enjoy the good times. That is why I like Fantasy Football. I can kinda control it and it gives me something to enjoy when my team is having a down year.

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by TrevorR on Nov 15, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

let people rant

Their just getting it out where they can. So people are upset right now, why do you care?

by jayj55405 on Nov 16, 2011 1:19 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The truth

And for the love of the God, the Packers are a pretty good football team, so you will have to get over it.

by bbwiscfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

A pretty good football team with a 30th ranked defense

I hardly call that a pretty good team, they have been fortunate to win as many games as they have, or did you forget the fact that they escaped the Metrodome with a 6 point victory over a team with a 2-7 record

by Sixmark on Nov 15, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

yeah who are near the top of the categories with takeaways, with points given up; a team who finds ways to win in the NFL where it doesn’t matter how many points you score or if you shut out opponents by 40, the whole 30th ranked defense with yards given up is just a fallacy. They’ve found a way to win every game they have played…

Again, get over it.

by bbwiscfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

And oh yeah, they just beat that 2-7 team last night by 38……

by bbwiscfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

and that is something to brag about

You wanted to strut in here and get your ill advised shots at the Vikings, in all reality acting like a common board troll, would you play with yourself in the corner if they beat the Dolphins by 38 too?

by Sixmark on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Ill advisted shots? lol

Play with myself? What are you 12? Are you saying I will get banned from this website? Oh no…. I can’t have that happen. (shudders) I hope I get banned and it won’t matter a bit because this is the last time I go on this site; I thought it it was entertaining at first but now its downright annoying to see a lot of whiners who just can’t quite wake up to reality.

Christopher Gates can do what he wants, get that guy a tampon. It sounds like you could use one yourself……

by bbwiscfan on Nov 15, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Well...that's nice

It would have even been better if you wouldn’t have come over here to share your wisdom with us at all.

by Norse Force on Nov 15, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Telling us to get over it...

Last I checked, your team was on the winning end of that one last night. You have no right to come over here and take cheap shots. It’s a little harder to get over a loss by 38 points than it is a win by 38 points. I don’t understand the mindset of people who feel the need to do this.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

whats the point of this?

The packers are good but their not unbeatable. And how are you going to say get over it the day after? Maybe if we were talking about his next year but the game was last night. I’m glad this is your last post though because you really didn’t bring anything productive

by jayj55405 on Nov 16, 2011 1:23 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

True,

But they also have the players to make key turnovers at a very high rate. I’d rather have a D that gets the ball back immediately to Rodgers but will gamble and allow a big play or two then one like ours that (supposedly) makes you dink and dunk to score. We all know how well that works against top tier QBs…

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 15, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

ESPN, ESPN, ESPN......

 I would write a poem about you if I knew how.

You were my first love. I remember the day my mom told me that when I got home from school that I would be able to watch you. I remember running home, turning on the tv and seeing a dog show. Although I was bummed about the dog show being on an all sports channel, I stuck with you, because i believed in the all sports dream. I was 9 and already a sport’s freak.

The funny thing about this dog show, ESPN, is that dog show is ten times cooler than what you are now. I mean, how many times can you talk about Brett Favre’s pecker or Lebron Jame’s decision? A-Rod’s mistress? How much time can you spend talking about the Yank’s – Sox rivalry and Duke – NC while ignoring all the other great rivalries in sports. How many times ESPN? How can you still keep trying to convince us that somebody really watches the NBA? Hell, I’d rather read the word’s from some stoner on LOng Island who I’ve never even seen their face, than listen to what you have to say, ESPN.

And one more thing, ESPN. Can you tell that jerk Chris Berman to quit saying back, back, back during the home run derby. He single handedly ruined it.

Thanks,

BobbyNystromOwnsYou – Rich

"We can't get pushed around," Haley said. "What commentators say about us, that's their job. My job is to try and limit as many people who want to take liberties with our guys as possible."

by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Nov 15, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions  

Good news:

Teams will pass so much on the Vikes Allen has a very realistic shot at the sack record. The best DE in football deserves it.

by Jepp The Viking on Nov 15, 2011 10:55 AM CST reply actions  

Mike Tirico was OK

He mentioned Vikings players, and he toned down some of the obscene praise (Gruden: “Look at Rodgers scan the field, reading every receiver before making the perfect throw!” Tirico: “… Where do you expect him to look, the ground?”). The most inexcusable, to me, problem was Gruden talking over the play-by-play when both teams were playing (but especially the Vikings) to talk about Rodgers. Fine, it definitely makes sense to mention that Rodgers has the most points per game of any QB with 50 starts. That’s cool (to national media) – mention it. Could you not have that f*cking banner cover the goddamn field right before the play? Also, when that play starts, can you track it?

Seriously, I think AP rushed for a solid 10 yards that play and Gruden just said “I tell you what Jaws, I have never seen quarterback play like Rodgers…” and completely ignored the field. It got to the point where Gruden had to stop himself and say, “but I’ll let you call this play, Jaws,” which stings because, while he’s admitting someone else should be talking, he is implying that he was calling plays. It also happened at the very end of the drive, so thanks.

Another point of contention: when a player is looking at an official for a penalty call, announcers generally offer an opinion on the penalty. There were three times this crew did not that I can clearly remember. And the defensive holding on Shiancoe? At least Tirico talked about it. Too bad he was ignored and talked over by Gruden. Tirico: “Looks like-” Gruden: “Wow, that is great coverage, right there.” Seriously? You haven’t stopped yourself from criticizing officials on blatant fouls before – why the f*ck would you stop now?

I get it, officials make mistakes. Maybe they were gunning for the Packers, who knows? I don’t like to think that and random mistakes can sometimes look like one team is favored, but could you at least call it out? Yes, 8 or so of those 10 penalties on us were deserved, but that doesn’t mean we get the goat on every call.

Screw yourself, Gruden. Any time your broadcast is on, I will refuse to enable money for it. If I have a cable package that allows me to see the game, I will eschew it in favor of an illegal stream and have a 2 second delayed radio broadcast speak over it. I will blank my computer at every commercial break and now I’ve decided I hate ESPNs website, too.

This was unprofessional.

by Arif Hasan on Nov 15, 2011 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

I understand the frustration...

But Gruden really went out of his way to praise many of the Vikings players, Kevin Williams and Jared Allen specifically, along with Ponder and AD. They made many good points about why our secondary is terrible…for starters it IS horrendous and the point about or corners being 5’9 and trying to match up with WR’s across the league who are 6’4 was a great point.

When you face an unbeaten team, coming off a Superbowl victory, and looking like they will make another deep run in the post-season, with a QB who is absolutely unstoppable right now, this is how the broadcasts work. In 2009 when Favre and the Vikings were tearing it up, the broadcast was the opposite – They were all over Favre’s nuts and the Packers were on the back burner for much of the broadcast.

I hate the Packers as much as anybody on here and probably more than most. I grew up on the border along the river, worked with many insufferable Packer fans. But you have to respect what they are doing this season. The broadcasters are just doing their jobs….

by JMigz on Nov 15, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

It really isn't

A great point to talk about Winfield’s height. He’s not a rookie. He has a track record. And it doesn’t include not being able to cover taller WRs. So what’s the point?

The correct analysis, especially on the play that sparked the height discussion, was that Allen was out of position behind his man. It had nothing to do with his height.

So they went with “their corners are short” because was on the pre-game script, so, hey, I’ll just toss this out here now even though it isn’t relevant.

The thing is I think Jaws can do a good job. But what’s expected of these Monday night broadcasts isn’t actual analysis. It’s pre-determined story lines. I hate that.

by amiller92 on Nov 15, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I have the solution.

Skip the pregame and avoid Berman ditto the halftime show and watch the game with the mute button on. Agreed Mike Tirico knows how to commentate say only enough to help the show along. Gruden and Jawarski don’t and make it all about them. The thrashing of our Vikes a side most Mon night games are unbearable with those two yap monkeys endlessly showing us how clever and footballishly brilliant they are. JUST SHUT UP! I’d rather watch the family circus on American Chopper to be honest.

by RustyViking on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

I’m not trolling here and I am not trying to attack anyone but this is just an honest question. How come it was okay for ESPN to drool all over Favre when he went tot he Vikings in 2009 and now it is unacceptable for this to drool all over Rodgers? There is probably a good and honest answer, I just would like to know.

by Timothy Bryce on Nov 15, 2011 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

"He just loves throwing the skin around"

You thought I liked that, too? It’s not good broadcasting.

Also, I definitely recall the “homecoming” aspect of the game take over. That was on both teams – they were definitely getting into useless (but Packer-centered) questions, like “Does Rodgers have it in for Favre? Did they leave on bad terms? Does Capers have a special game plan for Favre – he’s seen Favre for so long!” So it was stupid, but not homerism stupid.

Maybe it’s my selective memory, but it didn’t seem nearly as bad as last night.

by Arif Hasan on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Favre?

I for one hate that overrated piece of crap

by NYVIKINGS65 on Nov 16, 2011 9:38 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If I wanted to watch people profess their love...

I would watch the Lifetime or Oprah channels.

Instead, I get lambasted with commentary which is almost completely devoid of breakdowns, x’s, o’s, football strategy, play commentary, or anything else football and is a complete lovefest unseen even on the romance channels.

Sheesh, if those channels put on a program where someone was so enthralled with another human being to the point of deification, then those channels would get laughed off the air. Get a room, Gruden.

by liveforadrenaline on Nov 15, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

Did you guys hear, Aaron Rodgers walks on water and Jermichael Finley poops gold!

Approximately two minutes into the game (right around the Cobb return), I receive a text from a friend of my… “Turn off the game.” I said, “Yes but not because of how the Vikes were playing.” It was even worse when I turned on NFL Total Access after the game where the Packers -evidently- have already went 16-0 and won the Super Bowl. This is sports journalism at its worst.

by MMar83 on Nov 15, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

I agree it was ridiculous, but Gruden and Jaws (especially Gruden) slob over somebody every single week. I seriously don’t think I’ve ever heard Gruden say anything negative on a broadcast. All he does is praise, praise, praise — over, and over, and over again. It’s just his MO. Remember what the broadcast was like in 2009, when you guys had Favre? I sure as hell do. It was all about the Vikings and he — and rightfully so.

But let’s not act like there was never any praise or compliments for the Vikings because there was. They mentioned AP, Allen, Winfield, and even Ponder some (mostly Jaws about how athletic he was) quite a bit. Were the Packers talked about more? Yes. But there’s no way you can tell that, that isn’t going to be the case when any team beats another team by 38 points.

Fire Slocum

by packallday555 on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, come on now...

We’re whining here. We don’t want to listen to logic. Let us whine. It’s the only thing that makes us feel better right now.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

if they were to give equal air time to the vikes, they would have had to focus on the fact

that the vikings really kinda suck and are a long way from figuring it out…
how do you think THAT would go over here?

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by danny lloyd on Nov 15, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The Pregame was nausiating but in game was deserved.

Rodgers was dominating and the Vikings were sucking enough that it was the only thing they could talk about really.

Aside from the last bit with skipping over the Antoine injury… and the glossing over of the stadium talk like it was just unimportant… and the subtle complements to Chilly for getting the team to the championship…

Actually… yeah. I still mad.

by Crosseyes on Nov 15, 2011 1:11 PM CST reply actions  

And don't forget

Stopping the talk about the Packers long enough to put Chris Cook’s face on the screen. That was pretty awesome.

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by Christopher Gates on Nov 15, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Even Cosell would have been an improvement

Back in the day, I used to swear that Cosell had it in for the Vikes, rarely making it into his Halftime Highlights segment and then usually in a bad light. Keep in mind this was in the 70s and early 80s, when the Vikes were consistently near the top in the NFC. But after the verbal diarrhea that emitted from Gruden’s mouth last night, Howard (God rest his soul) would have been a considerable upgrade.

by newps on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions  

Disgustingly pathetic sports commentating...

Yeah, I understand that the “Cheeseheads” are undefeated and all, but come on guys, good journalism regardless if it’s sports or not should be properly acknowledged, reported, and unbiased! These so called sports"commentators" on ESPN couldn’t and didn’t even have the decency or courtesy to acknowledge the Vikings whatsoever! They were to stinkin’ busy falling head over heels in love with Mr. Rodgers and his “neighborhood” of a football team! Because of their very obvious “infatuation” or “crush” on him they were probably drooling behind the scenes, during the commercial breaks!! These guys need to man up and give us the fans and the general public good sports reporting and commentating, by talking about and acknowledging both of the teams playing in a game…..not just about one team, it takes two teams to play a football game, whether one team is undefeated or not!! Just absolutely sickening and pathetic!!!!! Go Vikes! Go!

by PurplePride38 on Nov 15, 2011 4:00 PM CST reply actions  

Well IMO

Most announcers are in a bit of a quandry. Consider that for the last few years they were able to go on and on about: Manning, Favre, Brady, Brees, Rodgers all playing at a high level. Now it seems that because Rodgers is playing lights out that they just focus on him.

Its the hot topic and they will beat that horse to death. Think about how often (and still how often) Favre watch comes up. How much time they talk about Manning ever playing again. Etc.

I would bet dollars to donuts that when the Patriots were on their perfect season run they got tonnes of press. It was the same for the Saints and the Colts when they were both chasing perfect seasons in 2009.

Is it fair, probably not, but thats the media for you. They will force the poster child down your throats at every turn. Just have to deal with it and wait for your turn to be the darlings of the media.

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by Grumps on Nov 15, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Well they could just

Talk about the game.

But that doesn’t seem to be allowed.

by amiller92 on Nov 15, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

it

it was like this when Brett Favre was with the Packers, and with the Vikings. the slurping over one player is really friggin annoying. Mike Tirico is a solid play by play guy (not the best, but not the worst), but as someone said above, he rarely got a word in because Jon Gruden was graceing us with his words of wisdom. I dont watch too many MNF games because of the announcers and the whole ESPN aspect about the game (its more about them than it is about the game)

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on Nov 15, 2011 5:41 PM CST reply actions  

Some Historical Gruden/Rodgers Background

John Gruden told Aaron Rodgers in 2004 that if he was available the Buccaneers would draft him. Instead the Bucs chose Cadillac Williams. Rodgers success makes him look like a boob. So his effusive praise simply means he is an idiot and a liar.

by Sterling Sharpe on Nov 15, 2011 7:00 PM CST reply actions  

Perfect example.

One of the pre-game people started talking about Christian Ponder and in what was obviously a stupid predetermined “joke”, Trent I was okay at best in the NFL so I think I’m an expert Dilfer stopped him mid-sentence and said, “uh… we’re talking about the other guy now.” And they immediate started sucking Rodgers wiener. Not a mention of anyone else from the Vikings was to be heard the rest of the broadcast.

In fact, they usually go through who they think will win before the game and each person will make a case for who they picked. No. They just threw it up on the screen and said, “we all picked the Packers.” This was a huge joke to ESPN and even though the game actually was a joke, they could’ve shown at least a tiny bit of respect to the other team playing. I used to like the MNF broadcast. Thought they were at the very least respectable, but I now abhor them for the way they didn’t even give our team a second thought. It would be one thing if it were, say, the Patriots during their dominating run, but treating the Packers as if they were a movie star and the Vikings were their retarded half brother made me want to jump through my TV screen and choke Jon Gruden with a shoelace.

by SirGrizzly on Nov 15, 2011 7:16 PM CST reply actions  

ESPN

Just a bunch of Pathetic ass kissing, ball handling douchebags. It’s a shame ol #80 works their

by NYVIKINGS65 on Nov 15, 2011 10:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dilfer

Remember he road a great defense to a ring and thats it. He is also the GURU who said Jimmy Clausen was the next QB and what did that team do ?? CAM NEWTON anyone!!! Ponder is already ahead of Duhfer (spl) on purpose. ESPN should be embarrassed for their tools, suposed to be unbiased well throw that out the door. Rather watch an Elmer Fud cartooon

by Pwrback on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

as for Gruden

He took over a built team from Dungy and look what happened to that team after he had a couple yrs…. I don’t need to tell you. No to gruden as anyones coach unless that team is already established

by Pwrback on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

I've been a Packer fan for fifty-some years,

and I was embarrassed by the drool. If I’m reading body language correctly, Rodgers was embarrassed by it. If I were responsible for it, I’d apologize, but since I’m not, all I can do is say I understand your annoyance.

There were a couple of decades of my life during which the Packers were (correctly) treated as an irrelevance, so I really do have an idea of how you feel.

by bob47 on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

50 years!!

All I can say is Gruden and Jaworski were WAY over doing it last night. Rodgers is having a great year but to say he’s the best ever, NO!! Better than Bradshaw, Elway, Manning, Brady and Montana and I think we can go on. I expect this from a local network, but those losers sounded like they were on the GB payroll

by NYVIKINGS65 on Nov 16, 2011 1:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL...ESPN still doesn't know

Check out this projection write-up from ESPN on Carson Palmer, just released TODAY (2 days after the game)

“How about that, he can still play! Palmer beat up two respectable defenses in a row, and this one is weaker than either, even with CB Antoine Winfield back in action. Remember, this is still the league’s No. 30 pass defense.”

Are they purposely ignoring the fact that Antoine Winfield broke his collarbone and is out for the year? What the hell???

SKOL Vikings!

by CCNorsemen on Nov 16, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

Down but NOT out!

As a life-long Packer fan, I watched the game on Monday night and couldn’t help but think that if I were a Viking fan how upset I would be with the pro-Packer bias. While it’s “fun” on this end, I can only tell you that we Packer fans lived in a constant state of embarrassement between Lombardi and Holmgren. We finally got some good leadership and have been back on track for some time now.

Vikings fans have what I believe is still the most dangerous back in the NFL, a potetial star in Harvin and a promissing young QB! IMHO: Get a new young coach and dump the dead wood on your team. DRAFT your future stars and don’t put your eggs in a Brett Favre basket again because as we learned in Wisconsin, Brett will break your heart sooner or later.

It seems from what I can tell that the local officials are jerking your team around and getting your stadium is your first priority. For years the Bears and Lions were irrelavant and the Vikings were the worthy rival, it would be sad to see that change. Having said that, teams go up and down and the Vikings have always been good as long as I can remember. I would love to see them turn things around quickly so that the NFC North becomes the feared Black and Blue division in football as it once was!

You have a historic and proud franchise Viking fans, so don’t put up with anything less than the best. Packers fans did for years and we made excuses for our beloved team until Ron Wolf rescued us one day. If nothing else, learn from our mistake. Remember, we can still be bitter rivals but it’s much more fun if we have a healthy respect for each other. Best of luck to you and just remember when you get sick of hearing about Aaron all the time, we felt the same way when Brett had his best season ever as a VIKING! You couldn’t turn on the radio or TV without hearing about it! (Not easy to accept, but in the end it all fell apart.) Wished it would have ended better for all of us……….you guys will be back. Hopefully sooner rather than later!

by Eddie G. on Nov 16, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

CLASS ACT

Thank you, too bad ESPN is so classless

by NYVIKINGS65 on Nov 17, 2011 4:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

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