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Time to clean house -- and here's who should go...

The game is plain and simple -- if you were to clean house, who goes out with the trash??

My thoughts on who is expendable (the big names that come to mind, anyway), and whether or not they have any value in which to be used as trade bait for draft picks in 2012...

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Trade List

Kevin Williams -- I'm bound to get some flack for this right off the bat, but let's be serious -- KWill, despite his decent play, is still on the wrong side of 30 and could warrant an early round draft pick.  EGriffen and Ballard have played well on the inside for potential replacements, and this would free up $$ for FA signings (WR, anyone...??).

Phil Loadholt -- Truly, he has not worked out.  He does not finish on plays and gets beat far too often.  DeMarcus Love should get a chance to start at RT.

Chris Cook -- I don't care what anyone says, I think his days in Purple are over.  I know the whole innocent until proven guilty yadda yadda yadda argument, but just forget the headache, admit a mistake and move on.

Asher Allen -- Yeah, I know, what trade value...??  As a former 3rd rd pick, and still young, he might have a little value.  I just want him off the team.  He's been burned more than my breakfast toast.

 

Cut List

Anthony Herrera -- Injured too much, very pedestrian play when he's healthy.

Remi Ayodele -- Not much to say here.  Moving on...

 

Let Go (Don't Re-sign) List

Visanthe Shiancoe -- We drafted Rudolph for a reason, and I'm a big fan of letting Reisner develop as a TE on this team.

Jim Kleinsasser -- I love the Sauce, but the penalties are inexcusable and (see above re: Reisner).  (In taking a couple valid replies into account, Sauce is worth retaining for his blocking skills -- his penalties notwithstanding -- and Rudolph/Reisner should round out the TE roster.)

Donovan McNabb -- ...need I say more...??

Greg Camarillo -- Decent WR but not worth the $$.

Tyrell Johnson -- Worthless player, sounds like he wants to go elsewhere (why we were still starting him, I have no idea...); Cedric Griffin should be moved to Safety, and Mistral Raymond is a potential starter in the making. 

Fred Evans -- Meh.  Just... meh.

 

On the Bubble

Steve Hutchinson -- Past his prime and play has been inconsistent.  Could be cut to free up some cap space and draft an OG in the 2nd rd.

Antoine Winfield -- If he's moved to nickel duty, he should absolutely be kept.  Don't like the idea of Winfield at Safety (Ced should be moved to Safety -- Antoine is still very valuable at CB... when he isn't injured...)

Charlie Johnson -- He's worth taking a look at if moved to OG.  At Tackle... no thank you, Cut-ville, USA.

Toby Gerhart -- Didn't do much before last weekend.  And, well, didn't do much last weekend, but... could have good trade value if the right opportunity presented itself.  Personally, I like having the insurance behind AP, but outside of the few elite RBs, they're a dime a dozen.

Husain Abdullah -- Loved him going into this season, not so much anymore.  Very inconsistent all year, Sanford has played better, and I'd love to see Cedric at Safety.  But, he still has value to the team and is highly regarded.

EJ Henderson -- I forgot EJ in my original post (thanks to kcskol for the reminder!!).  He has shown some recent pop coming up on the line, but his coverage is sketchy; EJ just hasn't been the same since his leg injury.  Re-signing him to a 1-yr deal might be worth considering, but perhaps it might be best to let EJ walk as a free agent, draft a good ILB and see if Jasper Brinkley can come back strong next year and step into the starting role.

Leslie Frazier, Bill Musgrave, Fred Pagac, Rick Spielman -- Despite justifiable circumstances, they should all have their feet held to the fire.

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Ideally in the draft, we would shore up the OLine and land a stud CB.  In my eyes, at this point, I'd like to land Claiborne at CB and anyone out of Kalil/Martin/Reiff at LT -- getting that second 1st rd pick is the hard part, but that's what this thread is for.

What are your thoughts??

(P.S. I'm tired and don't feel like proof-reading -- please forgive any typos.)

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Charlie Johnson

Should be cut.

Do we really need to see that he is as incompetent at OG as he is at T, depriving a roster place to someone else?

Kevin Williams should NOT be traded – fans always over estimate what veteran players bring – at best we’d get an early Day3 selection only

Hutchinson needs to be retained – with 2-3 new starters on the OL, we need some veteran glue.

If a CB can no longer player CB, forget wasting time having them learn a new postion. For every Ron Woodson there are 500+ players unable to make the transition.

by Voyageur on Nov 29, 2011 6:11 AM CST reply actions  

I agree for the most part.

It would be tough to see Williams go, but I can see why you’d suggest it. I don’t have a lot of faith in our team’s ability to draft in the 2nd round and later so trading him for picks makes me a bit nervous. Still, I can see why you’d suggest it.

Hutch hasn’t looked good over the past few games. I wonder if he’s injured again.

I think Charlie Johnson should get a shot at guard before we punish him for manning up and play LT in place of McKinnie. How do we think Hutch would do at LT?

I thought Herrera’s contract was up at the end of the season. Was I wrong about that?

I don’t know if Love should start at RT. I’d like to see him play before I commit to that. However, I agree that Loadholt must go or become a back up.

Here are the three things I disagree with in your post. I’d like to hold onto Kleinsasser. After last season, I figured he was pretty much done (given his play and large annual pay). However, he’s played better this season than last. And he has given our weak line some much needed help.

The other thing I disagree with is that I think Sullivan is a big problem at center and largely responsible for why we get killed in the middle of the line. Maybe Sullivan is bench material, but if Frazier can’t control himself and feels the need to play him like he does Tyrell Johnson, then I’d rather have Sullivan cut.

Lastly, I think EJ Henderson probably shouldn’t be re-signed at the end of his contract this year. I like him a lot, and at one time I think he was the best middle linebacker in the league (though he was clearly aided by the Williams Wall). Now I’d be careful about not paying too much for him.

"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin

by kcskol on Nov 29, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

agreed on EJ

forgot to list him on the Bubble list — are there any ILBs expected to be in the draft that might be a steal in the middle rounds?? i liked Colin McCarthy last year, he went in the 4th — we took Ballard just before McCarthy was drafted, which i’m perfectly fine with.

i’ll respectfully disagree on Sully — i actually think he’s played quite well (or, at least, improved greatly comparatively). i think it’s the OG’s that have been struggling. i’d rather see Fusco at RG over Berger (though Berger should be retained for positional flexibility).

i thought Love was being groomed to be a replacement at OG, but apparently we like him at OT. though i agree, we need to see him play. that, again, falls on the coaching staff.

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

You're not the first to disagree with me regarding Sullivan...

…and won’t be the last no doubt. :-)

"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin

by kcskol on Nov 29, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Vikings Roster

I think we should cut Asher Allen CB, Anthony Herrara OG, Remi Oyodele NT. Heres the players we let go dont resign Steve Hutchinson OG, Visanthe Shiancoe TE, Greg Camarillo WR, E.J. Henderson MLB, Tyrell Johnson SS, Fred Evans DT, Cedric Grifffin CB, Heres players we trade for extra draft picks Phil Loadholt OT, Toby Gerhart RB, Heres some free agents we should sign especially these first two Carl Nicks OG then shift Charlie Johnson to RG. Resign John Sullivan at C. Try Demarcus Love at RT at least in preseason also later in the draft try to find a right tackle. Draft a top LT in the draft. Making these moves will help Christian because with more time he can find recievers. Sign Laron Landry at SS this and drafting some one like Stephon Gilmore would work towards solidifying our secondary. I am hold the outside hope that Chris Cook can come back but not holding my breath. I am in favor of keeping Antoine Winfield as a nickle back. I also would like to see us sign a free agent CB as insurance if Chris Cook does not come back if thats the case with Cook we trade him to get something. I was thinking Brandon Carr or Carlos Rogers. These two positions with these moves would improve to area’s of need. I also think we should hang onto Mistral Raymond he could be a good FS and or Lester from Alabama.

by Viking King on Dec 5, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Forgot to reply to your ILB draft question.

I don’t really pay attention to the draft possibilities until the offseason and probably don’t have much to contribute then beyond parroting what I’ve heard from other more observant individuals. I think we’d be okay with Brinkley or perhaps even moving Greenway to middle linebacker. I’d like to see us chase some outside linebackers more than the inside guy.

"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin

by kcskol on Nov 29, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

i thought about how Greenway would play inside, too

i kind of like the idea, assuming there isn’t a very good reason why he wouldn’t work at MLB.

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

For almost everything.

I’d like to keep KWill and Hutch for their veteran leadership, and because we only have so many draft picks and we need to focus on R/L Tackle and D-backs for sure, if not another Center as well.

Keep the Sauce because I too am upset about the penalties but he has shown many times to make big key blocks still.

Definately try and get a draft pick for Toby, like you said a serviceable back-up is pretty easy to come by these days and we have Booker who has shown some good signs.

by stuman55 on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 AM CST reply actions  

i think you and kcskol are correct with the Sauce...

we can still develop Reisner behind Sauce, and assuming Rudolph will step into Shiancoe’s role next season, that’s a good mix at TE.

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

My universal complaints

Are the ongoing twin beliefs that teams will trade picks for old and expensive players and that you make yourself better by trading guys for less than replacement value.

The first doesn’t really happen, and the second just doesn’t work. You can’t create a hole by trading a veteran for less than you can replace him with.

So, for example, let’s say we trade KWill. Maybe we can get a one third round pick for him. Can you reasonably expect to get a replacement for KWill with that third done pick (either literally or similar talent at another position)? No way. So, not a good trade option. If I’m wrong and you can get a first rounder for him, then fine, but I think that’s unrealistic.

Loadholt, Cook and Allen have almost no trade value. I wouldn’t be upset to see any of them traded, but you’re talking maybe a fifth round pick for Loadholt. Cook MAYBE a third, and Allen bupkis. Loadholt and Allen are both guys who can play a role, but need it to be reduced. For Allen, that means dime back only (which is where he’d be if everyone was healthy). And for Loadholt that means regular help (TE or RB) in pass protection and/or move to back up in favor of the young guys.

But I agree with your cut and let go list.

As for cutting Hutch, again, you don’t get better by making more holes. He will need to be replaced in the next few years, but he doesn’t need to be replaced now. You’ve got to keep him or you’re making things harder than they have to be.

Finally, it should be well known that I’m not a Gerhart fan, but he doesn’t cost much and there’s nothing wrong with keeping him around as a backup.

by amiller92 on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM CST reply actions  

Have someone better before you get rid of dead wood

The last thing I want to see is for Tyrell Johnson to get the boot, just so that the Vikings can bring in someone WORSE.

And no excuses about “he’s growing into the position” or “he’s learning the defense” are acceptable any more. Do the job, or get out.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Nov 29, 2011 12:55 PM CST reply actions  

I do think we need to set up a different ideaology around the team

To me it seemed like no one was being held responsible for their actions. However, Frazier seems to be able to toss players Berrian, Madieu, McKinney all long standing vets on the team all gone now. Personally I hope the other players look at that and take heed.

Now. I do have one issue with it. When you are tossing a player you need to make sure you have the void filled that he is leaving. I know tossing McKinney was something we had to do, however, leaving the void he did it may have been better to fine the crap out of him make him miss games tell he was healthier, use him this year then toss his fat #$$ out next year for Kalil. Just an idea.

Oh and to all the people who just want to cut people from the team. You have to have replacements behind them, oh and it would be awesome if they were like you know good and stuff too.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Nov 29, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

i hope you don't think i "just want to cut people from the team"

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

A lot of knee jerk reactions around here sometimes

Not saying anyone is wanting to just toss people from the team, but Frazier seems to take a lot of heat for keeping certain players and honestly I just don’t see that he has an option to do anything else.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah it's tough watching a secondary that has Griffin, Sapp, Allen, and Sanford in there but there's not much they can do about it now.

It’s no worse than last year when the team was ravaged with injuries and Frank Walker, Lito Sheppard, and Tyrell Johnson were starting. I’m all for cutting guys that suck but until they get somebody better there’s no point.

by CanadianViking on Dec 9, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

wait... there's someone WORSE than Tyrell...??

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

There is always worse

and we tend to find them at safety.

by PurpleJesuZ on Nov 29, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The Vikings need to improve the coaching staff. I am not calling for firings that aren’t going to happen, but I would like to see some teachers introduced. Vikings back ups only seem to graduate to the starting line up due to injury. It be nice to see some player development. Maybe then this simplistic approach to game planning might work.

by LoveHate on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM CST reply actions  

I have to agree 100% with this

our O line is a prime example of it. Load started day one, the rest either are terrible or came to use via trades.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Do people think Loadholt is too big to play guard? It just seems with his ability to run block that he might be able to offer something by moving inside (after all, you can’t just get rid of everybody, at least not in one year), but I worry he’s just too large (and the leverage issues he’s dealt with from time to time would be magnified).

Robert Gallery is 6’7". I believe Loadholt’s 6’8". Ponder, FWIW, is a small quarterback, to boot. Although Brees plays behind some fairly large linemen. Although in many areas, Brees is the exception, not the rule…

by jianfu on Nov 29, 2011 2:06 PM CST reply actions  

Yes, too big and too slow

I think he would be completely unable to pull, and then there’s the throwing lane issue to which you allude.

by amiller92 on Nov 29, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Great write up

Great replies as well. I’m on the boat that we don’t need to cut these proven vets even if we might be paying a little more then we should. Rebuilding doesn’t mean throwing everyone under the bus. Hutch can be a great O-linemen if the 2 guys next to him are able to play close to his level. However, like in any sport, you put lesser talent around yourself its going to bring down your capabilities as well.

Kevin Williams has been playing better of recent. He’s also playing with a bad foot. You’d hope he could heal that up over the off-season. He’s still amongst the best at his position even if there has been a drop-off. We need to squeeze every ounce out of him during this stage of “rebuilding”. We only get 6 or 7 picks in the draft, so we need to limit our focus to as little as we possibly can.

Cedric Griffen to safety? hmmm. I’ve only discussed Winfield of doing that switch-er-oo. Its just for me, the safety is the last line of defense. He needs to be a great tackler, and have great persuit to the ball. I think Winfield is by far superior at both to Griffen. Though I’ll admit Griffen might be a good ball-hawk back there.

Totally understand the situation with Chris Cook and wanting to cut him. However, players make mistakes and i’m a strong believer in everyone has good in them and he just let his emotions take over and resulted in a terrible decision. I don’t know the guy, and I can’t say exactly how or what went down but if he can turn his act around and be remorseful I don’t mind giving him a second chance at life and as a Viking. Thats a big IF however.

I agree Loadholt seems more fit for a guard position. He’s great when his momentum isn’t going backwards..and thats a big quality you have to have as a tackle, and is less relied upon as a guard. Great option!

E.J. is still solid, and still has his weakness in coverage. Thats a tough one for me because he can really disrupt a running play, but can get burnt down the middle through the air. Another one of those guys we can’t afford to let go until we know we have his replacement..and we can’t bank on Brinkley at this point.

I made a post that I suggested 2 Olinemen with our 1st 2 picks of the NFL draft. Unlikely, and might even be a stretch on my part. Safety is still what is hindering this defense. If the winfield/Griffen switch doesn’t work out, we have to go get landry from the redskins or draft a safety early. I’m tired of mediocre play from the safeties. Our defense was much better when sharper was here….and Frazier needs to cement his status as a great secondary coach by going out and getting one.

Skol fellas!

by PurpleJesuZ on Nov 29, 2011 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

hypothetical safeties

If they are going to make the move, which I don’t think they will, Grif is a free safety and Winfield is a strong safety. One roams and ball hawks, and the other stuffs the run.

Honestly, I kind of like the sound of them both making the switch.

by amiller92 on Nov 29, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

the problem with the safeties...

…is that, yes, they are not up to snuff — but also, they aren’t necessarily buying into the system. someone posted an interview with Tyrell Johnson last week or the week before, where he essentially said the Cover-2 hinders his abilities (bleck). so naturally, that’s at least one reason why Tyrell sucks in our system. i can’t speak for Abdullah, Sanford or Raymond, but attitude and willingness to buy into what the coach is selling can say a lot (look at SF).

the flip side to that is, if your coaches aren’t convincing salesmen… well…

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still thinking...

Because we are absolutely getting blown out on our Tampa 2, which requires speed speed speed and gang tackling.

I’m thinking we need to switch to 3-4 for the time being, since Ayodele is struggling anyway, since so many teams we play are just shredding us in BOTH the middle and deep. We have speed, but not enough quickness and leadership, uh, upstairs, to process all the adjustments quickly enough to get to the ball under Tampa 2.

The other thing is free safety. To me, it is WAY more important than the corners.

We just don’t have a dominating free safety, which is really needed in the NFL today to defend against the passing game. The FS is the defacto leader of the backfield, and Abdullah is not the leader guy. We’ll continue to get blown out without seriously upgrading this position.

by liveforadrenaline on Nov 29, 2011 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

i just responded up there, but...

…we just need the proper personnel. our current starting safeties don’t convincingly fit the mold for a Tampa 2. i’d like to see more of Raymond out there, i think he has the stuff to be a starting safety for us.

as for 3-4 talk, we don’t have a NT. that, and, you’ll never get a 3-4 with this coaching staff. hell, you’ll never get out of the Tampa 2 with this coaching staff. gotta find the personnel to fit the system, which they haven’t done — which is funny, considering LF was a DB…

"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."

Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.

by rj-b on Nov 29, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

right

And you’ll never switch the whole defensive scheme “for the time being.” And we don’t have the rush linebacker needed for the 3-4 either.

So, aside from not having the personnel at two positions, not having the coaches, and not being able to switch defensive schemes mid-season, it’s a great idea.

by amiller92 on Nov 29, 2011 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You know the problem may not be the roster....

I know this is an odd thought, but the real problem for the Vikings may not have much to do with the 53. Yes there are clear holes and areas where upgrades are sorely needed, but the real area where a house cleaning is in order may be in the FO.

I was listening to a bit of 1500 today and they were talking about some of the problems in communications that are surfacing between Spielman and Fraiser. Really it’s the friction that is bound to occur between a HC mentality of bringing guys you know and are comfortable with in order to win now and a GM’s mind set of finding young players to develop for the long term benefit of the team. It’s natural, but the losing mixed with some of the leftover baggage and behaviors from Chilly’s time poison the well a bit.

Maybe it would be better for Ziggy to step in and give one approach and one voice to the Vikings. That way the offseason moves and roster can be built in one way instead of two different directions at once (like drafting a young promising QB and then trading a pick away to get a vet with nothing left in the tank).

by PackApologist on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

I don't think Ziggy feel comfortable making football decisions.

And I’m all right with that, he’s got bigger issues on his plate right now anyway. I will say that Spielman needs to be sent a warning he’s been drafting an ace and spaces since he got here and honestly that’s just not good enough.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Nov 30, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Ziggy doesn't need to make football decisions, just straighten the chain of command

Right now it’s a bit of a mystery who really makes the decisions at Winter Park. Since everything is decided on by committee it muddies the waters on who is signing off on trades and draft picks. It’s the committee system that makes it tough to really give an analysis of Spielman’s time here.

For example, did Spielman draft T-Jack or was it Childress? What about Percy Harvin? I seem to remember a story of Childress driving Harvin back somewhere before the Vikings drafted him and that’s the reason why he was confident Harvin would be a good fit. Then again, that was firmly in the time period where Spielman was supposed to be in charge of the draft.

If Ziggy can move outside his comfort zone of relying on a committee and task one guy with the job of creating a vision and giving a voice to the football side of the Vikings it would probably go a long way for self scouting and building the team.

by PackApologist on Nov 30, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

well it would go a long way to culpability

And I think we need some of that. Our drafting has not been stellar lately if we can see where that weak link is coming from then we can lower the boom on that guy and see if we can find someone who is better at picking up talent.

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Dec 1, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Might be a misconception

…but I always felt that Childress was a pretty damn good talent evaluator (sans a couple experiments, like TJack and Tahi) and would have been nice having in the front office. His downfall was his dictator mentality as a head coach, from my understanding. I also recall Singletary having a similar problem in this area.

That firm, no bullshit, you’re out with the snap of a finger philosophy worked well when we needed to clean up the previous regime’s mess, but it started to disrupt a team that started forming unity and character. A guy like Favre, who is the epitome of carefree, instinctive football, gave the team a swagger it didn’t have since the peak of the Denny Green days. That did not gel with Chilly… and although he tolerated it when they were winning, he quickly reverted to his destructive, hardass ways that completely lost the locker room.

by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Dec 1, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

I agree with you on most of what you're saying

but I don’t think he was great at drafting. He was0 solid in the first round for sure, however most people are… After the first round though we don’t have a lot to show from the draft. I respect a guy more for what he does in the 3-6th rounds of the draft than the first two…

The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.

by Grime on Dec 1, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Free Agency & The Draft

F/A Carr CB K.C., Landry SS Wash, Okoye DT Chic, Jackson WR S.D.
Nfl 2012 Draft
Rd1 Kalil / Martin OT
Rd2 Gilmore/ Rhodes/ Banks CB
Rd3 Mcnutt/ Jenkins WR
Rd3 Comp Lester FS
Rd4 Nix/ Watkins OG
Rd5 Dratko ORT
Rd6 Depth
Rd7 Depth
Rd7 Comp Depth

by Viking King on Dec 7, 2011 10:03 AM CST reply actions  

KWILL trade idea

I like that idea of trading KWILL to Pats or the browns and even if we could get the Pats lowest 1st rounder that could get us one of the two good nose tackle in the draft if there still there these two would be Still/Kawann. In F/A I would also like the Vikes to sign Nicks OG N.O Or if we get either the Patriots or Browns 2nd rounder that wouldhelp to have 2 2nd & 3rd round picks.

by Viking King on Dec 7, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

It all starts UP FRONT

1 – Replace the GM – This has to be done ASAP because he needs to evaluate our talent and come up with a drafting game-plan. No last-minute crap and excuses, “Well, he’s new”. Replace Speilman immediately.

2 – Replace whoever the hell is in charge of coaching basics, like tackling. If the Vikings don’t have a ‘tackling coach’, then they need one. Desperately.

3 – Replace the defensive secondary coach. Whoever it is that believes in Tyrell Johnson needs to go, along with his protege. Whoever it is that’s been recommending safetie, needs to go. Looks like it’s Joe Woods. Hit the road.

4 – Replace whoever’s in charge of strength and conditiong. Oh, look. That’s Juney Barnett and Tom Kanavy. I’m tired of looking at a gassed D that can’t play in the second half because they’re too tired. Barnett and Kanavy ought to be crucified, but I’d settle for their firing.

5 – Singletary may be alright, although it seems that our secondary has taken a step backwards since he arrived. Greenway is under-performing and Erin Henderson isn’t lighting it up the way I think he potentially could. This needs to be looked at.

6 – Offensive Line Coach. Oh yeah, you weren’t going to escape the purge. Jeff Davidson, come on down! And collect your pink slip.

7 – Les the 2nd. I don’t think Les Steckel Frazier will be held accountable for this train-wreck we call the 2011 Vikings, but there are money concerns and this team is too deep in the hole now to fix things by changing the HC at this time. Quite frankly, I don’t see where Les makes an impact, good or bad. He’s just there.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 8, 2011 10:45 AM CST reply actions  

Pretty much agree with your cut and on the bubble list.

The only other player I’d cut would be Cedric Griffin. Love the guy, but his knees are done and a better corner can be found for his salary. I also think EJ should be allowed to go in FA for the same reasons.

After that it’s O-line and secondary in the draft and hopefully a decent WR in free agency.

by CanadianViking on Dec 9, 2011 7:51 PM CST reply actions  

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