Lest We Forget, Governor Dayton Deserves Blame Too
Of all weeks, this was probably the worst one for my sister to have to leave town and leave me watching her almost-two-year-old. Right now I'm typing and listening to every little yawn and sigh on the baby monitor. It's a challenge to keep up with how screwed the Minnesota Vikings have become in a very short amount of time.
See, I had finally finished a magnum opus of a stadium article about the pro-Minneapolis conspiracy that was undermining the Minnesota Vikings' proposal to build a stadium on the 430-acre TCAAP site in Arden Hills. It was filled with all sorts of facts that put Governor Mark Dayton's supposed site neutrality in question. That type of writing takes awhile to research and add links to--I like to prove I'm not making things up. But before I could post it my sister left town and I have spent the last couple days singing the ABCs, analyzing diaper rash, and watching my all my hard work become irrelevant as Minnesota's leaders have done their best to mess up any hopes of getting a stadium bill passed before the Vikings' lease at the Metrodome expires.
Although yesterday's political bombshell that Speaker of the House Kurt Zellers and Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch will not support a special session of the Minnesota Legislature to deal with a Vikings stadium bill seems to put the blame for messing things up squarely on those two alone, I maintain that Governor Dayton has a hefty share in this mess.
Governor Dayton has been very quick to say how committed he is to keeping the Vikings in Minnesota and finding a stadium solution. Even while he was on the campaign trail he repeated commitment to the idea of a new "people's stadium" that would suit the Vikings' needs and give the people of Minnesota an indoor facility for all their sporting needs--kind of like the Metrodome only newer and with a better chance of not collapsing in a heap of Teflon and snow.
But while Governor Dayton has said that he wants to see a deal get done and that he's site neutral, he's been steadily doing things that would suggest he's about as neutral toward a stadium site as I am about Dancing with the Stars (J.R. Martinez all the way). No matter what he says, Dayton has been trying to get a stadium in Minneapolis to the detriment of a Vikings-supported plan in Arden Hills, which is what I wrote about in the article that I never got to publish.
All the time and effort he has put into sabotaging a stadium in Arden Hills and finding a way to build something in Minneapolis has taken away from solidifying any political support for any stadium. Currently, legislators have no idea what site they would be voting on, or how it would be funded from both the local equity partner (since voter referendums for sales tax increases seem to be back in vogue) and the state (electronic pulltabs, or racino--no one is happy). That's kind of a big deal.
What do I mean about Governor Dayton's pro-Minneapolis bias being a problem in presenting a single, supported bill before the Minnesota Legislature in a special session? Here's a short list.
- Every time Governor Dayton has mentioned the Arden Hills site he has added uncertainty to the stadium discussion by saying he'd support a stadium in "Arden Hills or Minneapolis." It's like Dayton is trying to brainwash us by simply saying that Minneapolis is still in play over and over again. That ain't neutral, it's wishful thinking because the Vikings have repeatedly said they are working solely with Arden Hills. Mentioning Minneapolis doesn't make sense unless Dayton's trying to advocate it as a stadium site.
- Minneapolis has not worked on a proposal with the Vikings, something that would make sense since the Vikings are the ones seeking a new stadium and will be paying the biggest chunk of the total cost and yearly upkeep. Minneapolis mayor, R.T. Rybak, came up with a few proposals without talking to the Vikings and, until this last month, claimed the city had no funding options available to be a local equity partner. Yet the governor continues to bring the city into all discussions on the stadium.
- When he commissioned a site feasibility study on Arden Hills, Governor Dayton put the Metropolitan (Met) Council and the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission (MSFC) on the task. What he kept quiet about and what none of the local media mentioned is that neither of those groups is what you would call impartial. The Met Council is appointed by the governor and "serves at his pleasure," as a planning group for the Twin Cities metro area. The MSFC is headed by someone appointed by the governor, but the other six members of the group are appointed by, wait for it, the Minneapolis City Council. How unbiased do you suppose a group appointed by a city that stands to lose the Vikings (Minneapolis) would be in analyzing whether another city (Arden Hills) is a better location for the team's stadium?
- Minneapolis, as my politico friend reminded me this weekend, is the center of democratic power in Minnesota. Governor Dayton is a DFL politician that won his office by a relatively small margin. Politically, he probably can't afford to piss off the largest contingency of DFL power in the state. The chances that the DFL leaders in Minneapolis aren't putting the screws to Dayton seems unlikely. Although the city of Minneapolis appeared remarkably uninterested in talking to the Vikings about a stadium until the team partnered with Arden Hills, now the city is making as much noise as a cat in heat and the claws are definitely out--Minneapolis city leaders will use whatever political clout they have to keep the Vikings from going to Arden Hills, including leaning on a weak DFL governor.
- Rather than streamline the process of bringing a stadium bill before the Minnesota Legislature after saying he wanted to call a special session just before Thanksgiving, Dayton asked for all stadium bills to be on his desk last week and that then he would present his proposal. He hasn't said whether those other proposals would be subject to the same scrutiny that the Arden Hills proposal was, and it would seem that there isn't/wasn't time to assess the feasibility of these other sites and proposals the way the Arden Hills site was. I find that incredibly hinky. Simplifying things would have been to focus on getting support for one proposal, not adding several more proposals to the mix just weeks before you intend to call a special session. Since the Arden Hills proposal is already before him, I'm just going to wager a guess that Dayton's proposal has something to do with building in Minneapolis.
I agree with my esteemed colleague Ted that Kurt Zellers is being a jerk about this stadium situation and his showdown with Governor Dayton bears a striking resemblance to the "I'm-more-macho-than-you" showdown that subjected Minnesota to a government shutdown this summer when the governor and legislature couldn't agree on a budget for the state. That said, Dayton isn't making decisions that make sense. If he wants a Vikings stadium bill to pass, then he needs to focus efforts with the Vikings and lawmakers on creating a single proposal and getting support for it. Dicking around trying to drum up Minneapolis proposals that don't have support from the Minnesota Vikings not only wastes precious time, but it creates dissension and leads people to believe he doesn't know what he's doing. That is the last thing you want when trying to pass a stadium bill during a recession.
Honestly, I don't believe that Dayton does know what he's doing. Maybe he thinks he does, but it just doesn't seem like it. I have long felt that Governor Dayton's a rather likeable puppet and someone else (possibly even a committee) is pulling the strings. Hopefully, whoever is pulling the strings will also pull his or her head out of the sphincter where it currently resides because the puppet is about to become the governor who lost the Vikings.
If you want to contact Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton and tell him that you want him to stop holding whiny press conferences and to instead commit to a single proposal and get the support to help it pass, his contact information is listed below.
75 Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd.
St. Paul, Minnesota 55155
Telephone: (651) 201-3400
Toll Free: (800) 657-3717
Minnesota Relay: (800) 627-3529
Fax: (651) 797-1850
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You lost me at dancing with the stars...
Kidding.. Got try to lighten up somehow.
There seems to be so many people to blame in this situation. Each one has their own political agenda to adhere to and the people that elected these politicians and the fans are the ones that are going to pay the price.
PS. I know how you feel about things changing and all your work being outdated. I focus on politics for my writing/
14 halll of famers. Wait Cris Carter isn't in the Hall of Fame yet!? Wtf is wrong with these people!?
I had a feeling...
That my affection for Dancing with the Stars wouldn’t resonate with everyone :) Glad you managed to read past that line.
If you focus on politics for your writing, then you know exactly where I’m coming from. You miss that window, things change, and you have to start all over again.
I think you’re right about the fans paying the price for all the political bickering and the delays it causes, but I think all Minnesotans could pay an unexpected price too. The Metrodome has trouble creating enough revenue to cover its operational costs. If the Vikings leave Minnesota and the Dome loses its final tenant, then the MSFC will have to find additional money to cover the building’s costs. I don’t expect everyone in Minnesota to be a big fan of football or the Vikings, but it should be acknowledged that the reason the high school soccer finals (and other state high school programs) can take place in the Dome right now, is because the Vikings generate the money to cover the operational costs.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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I agree completely.
Everyone would pay the price for this. Imagine how hard this would hit small businesses, i.e. bars and restaurants. I just don’t see how people can’t see through this political posturing and realize that this is a win for everyone involved. But alas, common sense in none to common..
Somehow I would enjoy it if you read some of my stuff. I love your writing and would be interested as to what you thought of my political ranting. :)
"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."
― Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon
Since I'm finally done being Super Nanny for my niece...
I’ve got a lot of reading and writing to catch up on, but, when I can, I’ll make my way over to your political writing. Send me a link to your material via email so I don’t lose it.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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Every last one of them
There were people in both parties supporting and then those that rode the vi-particin fence so if this failed they could hold both hands in the air and say “I wasn’t comitted either way til I saw the plan.”
Well, the plan never made it to the floor due to the silent parties that didn’t stand up and say “Let’s Go!” “This is good for the state”
Not one of them will stand up when we move and say “It was me. I didn’t want this. It was all my doing the stadium bill didn’t get done”
Instead they will all point their crooked little party fingers at each other and tell us to blame the other side.
Why? OHHHH WHY? Don’t we rally on the steps and tell them we will vote every .independent we can to get you out of office.
This is getting stupid fans! Players Unions can make a nose and get what they want. Why aren’t we?
Will someone with clout stand up and organize a rally.
Write them all and tell them they are out if we lose our Vikings!
AKA : Revenge4Webb
I think a rally is a great idea
Especially if you can get some former players to speak (I doubt that the team would allow current players to attend, but it would be worth a call to them).
Wow, I wonder what it would take to organize something like that?
The guy who runs the site www.SavetheVikes.org, Cory Merrifield, might be interested in the idea. He’s very active in trying to find a stadium solution for the Vikings in Minnesota.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
As much as Dayton has or has not been underhanded with the Vikes...
Zellers is easily the one to blame and get on first. Because although Dayton can be weaseling his way around things I get the impression that he does want the Vikes to stay.
Zellers not so much. After his little bombshell he makes himself looks like he couldn’t give two shits about the biggest face of the entire state.
Every goddamn one of them is more concerned about their election numbers though. That’s why we have to come out in force against Zellers. To make those politicians think that losing the Vikes will cost them more votes than the “billionaire welfare” shit.
There's no doubt he has been
He’s been playing cat and mouse with the Vikings from the time he “committed” the state’s 300 million dollar share and then decided he wanted to wait for the environmental analysis to come back. It’s always been something with Dayton and it always will be until the Vikings settle for the deal he wants to give them.
Don't get me started on that bogus "billionaire welfare" argument.
My I see red and go all twitchy. When you look at the amount that the Vikings plan to contribute and the fact that they will pay the bulk (90%) of the operational costs for a new stadium ($14-18 million), then contrast it with how much the Vikings will use the facility, the idea that the state is being taken advantage of becomes laughable. A new stadium, used as often and for the kinds of events that the Metrodome is currently used for, would be used between 290 and 300 times a year. The Vikings have between 10 and 12 games a year there. So, even though they will use the facility only about 4% of the time, the Vikings will pay the largest single portion of the construction costs and most of the operational costs.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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Of course
those 10-12 times are the only once that regularly make money.
But 290-300? Really? How do you get to that count?
Well all revenue is good revenue - they need to pay to maintain it either way
And renters cover operating costs at the time they are renting
The 290-300 number comes from the Metropolitan Sports Facilities Commission.
I disagree with this
He has to keep Minneapolis in the picture the same way he had to shut down the public funding option. It is a waste of time to campaign for something that will never be agreed upon on time. I think he has to be careful considering the political atmosphere right now in Minnesota. It is almost impossible to get anything done, we can’t even agree on a budget. I see no reason for Dayton to through his whole support behind Arden Hills if that would just polarize our legislature. If Minneapolis is easier to pass than we keep the Vikings in Minneapolis. I think he has done a good job considering the circumstances and he is probably the Vikings’ biggest supporter at the moment.
The thing is
He hasn’t thrown any of his support behind Arden Hills. Every time the Vikings cleared one hurdle he put in front of them, he put another one in their way. He wanted them to get a location and a local partner, they did. Then he questioned the state of the road infrastructure and wanted the Vikings to pay for the upgrades (That’s me reading between the lines, feel free to dispute), then once the Vikings increased their share by 30 mil and promised any cost overruns, he wanted to wait to see how the environmental analysis went and for the MET and MSFC do their site feasibility analysis. It’s just hurdle after hurdle. He’s done everything to delay the process he can aside from claiming his dog ate the proposal when he brought it home with him.
I would suggest
that third party site feasibility analysis and environmental analysis were necessary. If the state is going to commit money, they should know what the potential downsides to their investments are. And, quite frankly, these assessments need to be done anyhow. Normally, this would fall on the part of the developer. But I don’t think you can blame Dayton for not wanting any surprises after they commit a ton of cash.
I don't blame Dayton for not wanting surprises.
And I agree that an analysis did have to be done on the Arden Hills site. My concern is that the people chosen to conduct the site feasibility study were either in Governor Dayton’s pocket as one of his appointees, or were appointed by the Minneapolis City Council. It isn’t the fact that needed analysis was done that was concerning, but the organizations who did the analysis. It’s like asking Kanye West to produce a Taylor Swift album.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
I wish there was a combination option,
Zellers and Koch are my two least favorite right now.
"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain
SKOL VIKINGS!
That seems fair.
And they do seem to operate like the Two-Headed Monster from Sesame Street.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
Amy Koch and Zellers are both dbags
I don’t like Koch’s tone more than anything, though.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
I'm not a fan of it either.
I think Koch and Zellers are so bent on sticking it to Dayton that the same tone bleeds into everything they say. Dayton, for his part, puts them in untenable circumstances and then likes to pretend he’s the good guy.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
Take it to the street!
It’s time for all loyal Vikings fans to show their colors downtown. I say we meet at the Hennepin County Government Plaza with protest signs urging our state government to cough up money for a cool new football stadium. Our leaders need to get their priorities straight!
The problem with protests is...
the most opportune time to hold a rally would be from 8-5 on a weekday at the Capitol (when the new seesion begins in January) because politicians would be present. Outside of the construction industry, most of the Viking fans would be working. It would be embarrassing if only 50-100 supporters showed up. And you know the opponents could muster up the same amount of people to try and neutralize any pro-stadium support. IMO, you would have to do it on a Saturday and try to get 10-15 thousand supporters. Which, I think, is very feasibe if you give supporters enough advance notice. Problem is the politicians will be not be not be there atthat time. Although, TV coverage may negate that issue.
I've got nothing going Saturday
I’ll be the guy wearing a vintage 1970’s purple Vikings winter hat, yellow tassel. That whole “Occupy” movement will have to make room for one more cause, this state’s debt to its professional football team. Without the Vikings, Minnesota is nothing more than a doorway to the Dakotas, a gasoline stop between Colorado and Wisconsin.
When the Lakers left town for Los Angeles, we were forced to watch basketball on television. I became a Boston Celtics fan! When the North Stars left town for Mexico, I was forced to watch hockey on television. I became a Red Wings fan! If the Vikings leave town, will I be forced to watch football on television? Granted I can’t afford a ticket anyway, but if the Vikings left town, it just wouldn’t feel the same.
Fact is, the citizens of Minnesota have to stop betraying the trust of their professional sports owners. We have to learn to give them the money they need, so that they will keep their teams in our state. If we don’t, they’ll leave, and we’ll all be watching sports on television. That’s capitalism.
The only thing we can do is fight for our owners. If fans all work together, we can achieve economic justice! Go, Vikings!
I feel like a flag should be unfurled somewhere after that rant :)
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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Politicians ruining our lives
true at the National and local levels. PLEASE VOTE them all out of office if the Vikings leave! I enjoy your thoughtfulness Skol Girl
Thanks Scottfromcmh :)
Politicians, no matter how idealistic they may start out, have a deep affection for staying in office. You’re right, they need to know that keeping the Vikings in Minnesota matters to us and, therefore, it should matter to them.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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Either that or
Or maybe the governor has known all along that an Arden Hills stadium is going to be a tough sell in the legislature, especially as the plan rested on a tax increase that the Rs who control the legislature have pledged not to make.
Well
if Ziggy really wanted his stadium to pass, he would contribute to Zeller’s re-election campaign. That’s how things are done in Minnesoat just like New Joisey. And he knows that. I used ti live in Baltimore, was a big Colts fan. This whole scenario is a movie I have seen before. Fooking Irsay playbook. Right down to the exciting running back, and bum steer right tackle always called for holding or illegal procedure. That Ziggy hasn’t done so probably has told both sides that he never was serious about keeping the Vikings here. He probably didn’t contribute to T Paws re-election either, and that’s why it has been kicked down the road.
Records are online
Looks liky Ziggy gave to Horner and DFL caucuses. Mark Wilf gave to Horner, Emmer and Dayton and the DFL caucuses.
Ah then
the fact that they didn’t give to the Tea Party ‘pubs is probably pissing off Zellers. Of course, the Wilfs may just have thought the DFL would retain control of the legislature, and they miscalculated.
Seeing as how Mark at least liberally contributed to all the gov candidates, there would be no real discord if that were all. Zig, however did not give to Emmers, so that may stick in someone’s craw.
Patience
1. This deal is going to get done – in Minnesota. There’s a lot going on behind the scenes and I think it’s easy to get down on the process when you follow all of the day to day back and forth.
2. If for some reason it doesn’t get done – there will be more than enough blame to go around for all 3 of the current political leaders – as well as former leaders (still can’t believe the state ponied up for the gophers without planning for the Vikings.
3. I’m not ready to nominate Zygi for man of the year just yet. He needs to decide where he wants his business to be long term and then commit to it. He could easily sign a 1 year lease right now, but he wants to use LA as leverage. Fine, that’s his right – but it doesn’t make the process any easier. He should decide right now if he wants to sell to the LA group and take his money and run, or if he wants to some day be hoisting the Lombardi trophy with Adrian Peterson and Christian Ponder in Minnesota.
4. Once the Vikes get their brand new shiny stadium the legislator should amend the MN constitution to forbid public financing of any new pro sports stadia. Enough is enough – all we’re doing is subsidizing ever increasing ticket prices and salaries for athletes and with the aging population there could be a serious downturn in pro sports in the next decade or two. Now that all of our pro teams have their own buildings, I think they should be on notice that this is the end of the line for public help going forward.
Clearly he wants to be here
But also wants a stadium.
What's wrong with public help?
If the public is for something then they don’t have a problem supporting it. Quite frankly I personally feel that the amount of money the that will be lost to the state if the Vikings leave will far out weigh the the money they have to pony up now. If the Vikings leave & Zellers & Koch are still in office after the next election then they win. Nothing wrong with them standing up for what they believe they just have to know that going against this will cost them their jobs.
Long time no hear SG
Personally you need an option d for all the above. I understand if they think this is a truly bad idea, but honestly none of them have come accross strongly enough in opposition to really show me that. What it looks like instead is three people trying their hardest to not get anything done in the hopes that Santa will come can fix everything for them. Well Santa isn’t coming, and it’s going to get real tense out there. Most new stadiums go through this process though the inane back and forth until one side or the other breaks. Let’s just hope it breaks in the correct way.
Also, even if we don’t renew out lease doesn’t the NFL have to allow us to move? Or is this just on Wilf?
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Legal challenge
I don’t believe the NFL can legally prohibit a team from moving. This is why Al Davis fought his long legal battle – and won. Gave him the right to move his team – twice.
by Torstein on Nov 4, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't know about Al's legal battle
But it depends on what the owners have agreed to. If it’s not in the contract, then no, the league can’t prevent the owner from moving.
Yep Grime, too long a time.
There are a bunch of restrictions that the NFL puts on teams before they can move. The restrictions in the bylaws are to help make sure that the team has tried to work things out with their current home before moving—basically making sure that owners don’t just get their knickers in a twist and phone up Mayflower. The restrictions slow things down and make it more difficult to move teams, but it is by no means impossible.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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Years from now, people will remember that Dayton was Gov when the Vikings left Minnesota
Koch and Zellers may be key movers as well, but the long-term stink will be Dayton’s.
I agree with Grime, though. All of them should be held to account.
Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!
Exactly.
It’s just the nature of the position that people are more apt to remember who was governor at the time a team leaves, than who was the Speaker of the House of the Senate Majority Leader.
And, Grime’s right too. They are all doing their level best to ass this up.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
Nice to finally see people realize that I'm always right..
You did say always, right?
Putting Ponder in isn't the question, it's the answer.
Yeah, I'm sure it's in there somewhere ;-)
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
60,000 seats
That’s the number of seats are current house holds. I think Koch and Zeller are to worried about the 134 seats their house holds. If I was one of those two I know I would be taking that into consideration.
by fred83 on Nov 4, 2011 11:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You know if they use gambling money from a casino in Minneapolis the stadium is going to be in Minneapolis. This is also sounding like their number one choice of funding at the moment. Dayton thinks it would be best to use electronic pull tabs and that would actually be better for the Vikings going to Arden Hills.
I think you're right.
If the stadium is funded with money from a Minneapolis casino, then that will swing things in favor of Minneapolis. Barb Johnson from the Minneapolis City Council has intimated that they would fight tooth and nail against revenues from a Minneapolis casino being used to fund a stadium outside of Minneapolis.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
http://www.dailynorseman.com/
Ive been out of town, so...
I am just catching up on all the stories here on DN. My 2 cents are as follows. I think your thoughts on the politics involved in trying to keep the Vikings in Minneapolis are exactly why we have an issue here. Dayton’s hands are tied because the people that he answers to demand the Vikings stay IN Minneapolis, while the only solid proposal is Arden Hills. Zeller and Koch are playing a different version of the same political game so if they can get a deal they look like the winners and if they fail Dayton takes the blame. Ultimately Minneapolis either has to come up with a viable plan or give up the Vikings. Wilf wants a whole development where we can have tailgating, hotels, bars…the list goes on and on. There just isn’t that much real-estate available in Minneapolis, which is why I support the Arden Hills site even if its farther away from my home. If Minneapolis can come up with a viable plan, I could get behind that, but they haven’t. There really is not point in calling a special session until either they have a good plan for Minneapolis or they drop the Minneapolis plan all together, because if they do call it, nothing will pass anyhow.
by A shot at greatness, probable failure on Nov 7, 2011 1:53 PM CST reply actions
Pretty much
I agree with Ted that Kurt Zellers is not winning any popularity points or being an effective leader with what he’s saying right now, but I can acknowledge that he’s right about needing to know what the proposal is before calling a special session. Rallying support for any proposal is going to be a challenge, so it would seem wise to agree on a proposal and then focus on gathering support. This isn’t to say that the proposal couldn’t be subject to some alteration, but there shouldn’t be this much uncertainty about the site just a couple weeks before the proposed-but-nixed special session.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
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