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I started out today planning to expand on last week's evaluation of Sullivan. After all, last week's post was so persuasive and influential that the Vikings went out and extended Sully's contract. Just think what could happen this week.

I was feeling ambitious, thinking I'd grade the whole line on the same scale. But after watching the first play 4 or 5 times, I realized that was too much. By the time the third quarter was over, I decided that even writing up Sullivan was going to be boring too. Instead, I'm going to raise the various things that made me scratch my head today.

But first, Sullivan. I scored him at -2 today, with three -1 plays (all involving allowing pressure up the middle in the passing game) and one +1 (good push on the point for a 9 yard AP run). So, like last week (see that post for the methodology), Sullivan was decent today. A slight minus overall, but keep in mind that it's pretty darn hard for a lineman to get plus plays.

The head scratchers are after the jump.

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For Musgrave (a few of the many)

- Screens and short throws to Toby Gerhart out of the backfield worked great today in the fourth quarter. Where have these been?

- Speaking of Toby, I know we were basically giving up at the end of the half, but when it's third and 17, why would you give it to him instead of Adrian Peterson? Has he ever gained 17 yards on a running play in his career (that's a rhetorical question, people)? At least AP has a shot to convert, even if you're only real goal for the play is not turning it over.

- Why set up in a passing formation and run a draw to Gerhart? He's got talents, but making reads and cuts and making guys miss, you know, the things required for a back in this kind of draw play, are not among them.

- Did you really think having Webb run the option would fool New Orleans so badly that it would make up for having Ponder as one of your available blockers?

- Did you think having Gerhart split wide on that very same play was going to make New Orleans expect a pass?

- What possible reason is there ever to run a screen pass for Jim Kleinsasser? He's blocker.

For FOX

- There's a roughing the passer call off-screen, but you don't have a replay? Huh?

- Is it too much to ask for an announcer who understands that an illegal formation call that names a tackle as having been uncovered is not a penalty on the tackle? There's nothing he could do to have that penalty not happen. It was on Joe Webb who failed to get up to the line. Loadholt earns enough of his own flags, he doesn't need your help.

- What more than the owner saying, "Frazier is a head coach for next year" (paraphrase) do you need for there to be "official word" on whether the head coach will be back?

For Sean Payton

- On side kick? When you can basically score at will? Yeah, that's a dick move, buddy.

The Officials

- How is there no roughing call when Ponder slides feet-first and gets hit in the head from behind? You made the call the second time, although that time it didn't look like there was any contact, but you missed it in the first quarter (2nd & 10 at 9:22 in the first to be precise).

- Doesn't a call for late hit out of bounds kind of require that the runner to have actually been out of bounds?

For Christian Ponder

- How long do you think you can hold the ball behind this line? You've got to get rid of it or take off running, son. The unblocked guy on the backside of a bootleg cannot be allowed to chase you down all the way across the field. That's squarely on you.

- Are you trying to make me look bad? Last week I was comparing you favorably Joe Webb by noting your solid fundamentals, in particular setting your feet before you throw. And you repay me by going out and throwing without setting you feet? For shame, sir, for shame.

For me

Why did I torture myself by watching this whole game?

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Very good post

Man our team is awful! Benny Sapp and Gerhart were the only bright spots I can remember off hand. When the hell are we ever gonna figure that if everyone runs free at the QB (not when are legimately pass blocking)it might be a screen pass. Nice call on the dick move too.

by Viking_Monson on Dec 18, 2011 5:01 PM CST reply actions  

Everson Griffen

I thought looked really good. Broke through the line to pick up the botched snap, chased down Sproles on a screen pass from behind. This guy is a freak athlete and I think once we find a role for him , he will become a regular playmaker. Mistral Raymond also had a couple nice plays. Jamarca Sanford makes him look worse in coverage because he can’t cover a couch from the 1970’s.

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by randymoss on Dec 18, 2011 5:11 PM CST reply actions  

Yes on Griffen

I jinks he starts at DE next year, but he’s shown the athletism o be a linebacker too. Did you see him chase down the play on one of he’s long screens? He was in he backfield and outran Sproles in pursuit. Amazing.

Raymond was in on plays, but I have a hard time telling if that’s because he’s good or he got beat. Evaluating DBs isn’t really my strength.

by amiller92 on Dec 18, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Raymond

He did well, was in position where he was suposed to be problem was he landed up having to chase down plays because of missed tackles or others getting beat ( Sanford, LB’s ). He is doing ok though and he does have upside to him, but he does need to show improvement these last two games.

by nmvikesfan on Dec 18, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well this game really showed who to need to keep and who needs to go.

We have some player who have talent and fight in them and then we have players who don’t have a clue. I would resign Sapp, and let every other defensive FA go. We need safety help in the worst way every, Sanford was burned repeately. And our LB’s have to be the worst in pass coverage in the whole NFL. This game really exposed where need to upgrade and rebuild.
Also there was not one play where I saw that Ponder had time to throw period, it was the worst pass blocking I have ever seen from the Vikings in the 34-35 years that I have been watching and rooting for them. We made NO look like the #1 defense in the NFL today.

by nmvikesfan on Dec 18, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

Ponder had no time

Every time he took a snap he was running from trouble…ok not every time . watching it live I had no time to spot a receiver before there were saints in the pocket and they weren’t trying to sit on me.That being said Ponder was not blameless in this, he missed some openings and chose poor directions to scramble in others. This O line is terrible no matter what Musgrave may say.They couldn’t block a determined pop warner D let alone real live defenses . The defense deserves some blame also, they missed tackles all over .They seemed to be awe struck that receivers would not accompany them around ,but instead they ran past them in an effort to catch the football(novel idea I know but it seems to be catching on).Let’s see good things….I like our running backs and Everson other than them it was just bad

A successful coach needs a patient wife, loyal dog, and great quarterback - and not necessarily in that order.
-- Bud Grant

by PurpleValhalla on Dec 19, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not making excuses

But maybe he was practising the onside kick in a game situation preparing for the playoffs or atleast putting it in peoples minds
We havent done it at all this year

by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 18, 2011 8:17 PM CST reply actions  

nope that was a dick move sorry but it was period !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by cali viking on Dec 18, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

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