What Helps The Vikings' Potential Draft Position?
by Christopher Gates on Dec 19, 2011 6:00 AM CST
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PrintThe Minnesota Vikings selected defensive end/linebacker Chris Doleman with the fourth overall pick in the 1985 NFL Draft, following a 1984 season where they went 3-13. In the 26 drafts that have followed, the Vikings have never selected higher than #7 overall.
That will change this season, unfortunately. The Vikings can not get more than four wins for the season, and after yesterday's results, 26 NFL teams have at least five wins, which means the Vikings' selection will be in the top six of the 2012 NFL Draft. One more loss will clinch a top three selection for the Vikings, which seems like a given at this point, as sad as that is.
In addition, with the Indianapolis Colts getting their first win of the season on Sunday and moving to 1-13 on the year, the top overall pick is back in play again. That would be another bit of dubious history for the Vikings, as they have never actually earned the top overall pick because of their play on the field. Yes, the Vikings have had the first overall pick in the draft twice in their history. . .however, the first time was in 1961 as an expansion team before they had ever taken the field, and the second time was in 1968 with a pick they acquired from the New York Giants as part of the Fran Tarkenton trade.
Now, as we've discussed, any ties in the draft order are broken by strength of schedule, with the team with the weaker strength of schedule being given the higher pick. So, to put it simply, in order to get the highest pick possible it would be beneficial if the teams that have appeared on their schedule this season to lose (making the Vikings' strength of schedule lower) and teams that appear on the schedules of both the Colts and the St. Louis Rams to win, thereby making their strength of schedule higher.
As far as strength of schedule, a lot of people have asked about it thus far, so I've broken down the final two weeks of NFL match-ups. Bear in mind, I'm not advocating cheering for the Vikings to lose, and I'm sure as hell not cheering for the Vikings to lose. However, if we want the Vikings to win any potential tiebreakers with other teams at the top of the draft, after the jump will follow the results we would be looking for and why.
Basically, the teams that we would want to win each week, in those games where rooting preference would matter, are in bold, with the explanations after them. We'll start with Week 16.
Houston at Indianapolis - Obviously, we would want Indianapolis to win at least one more. . .and, ideally, two more
Pittsburgh at St. Louis - Obviously, we would want St. Louis to win at least one more
Miami at New England - A New England win would make Indy's strength of schedule higher
New York Giants at New York Jets - A Giants win would make St. Louis' strength of schedule higher
Jacksonville at Tennessee - No real effect (Indy has played both these teams twice, which would put two wins and two losses on their strength of schedule. . .basically a push)
Tampa Bay at Carolina - A Tampa Bay win would make Indy's strength of schedule higher (Minnesota has played both these teams, so no real effect)
Denver at Buffalo - A Denver loss would make Minnesota's strength of schedule weaker
Arizona at Cincinnati - A Cincy win would make Indy's strength of schedule higher and Minnesota's weaker (thanks to the Arizona loss)
Cleveland at Baltimore - Both St. Louis and Indy have played both of these teams, so no real effect
Oakland at Kansas City - A Kansas City win would make Indy's strength of schedule stronger (Minnesota has played both these teams. . .no real effect)
San Diego at Detroit - A San Diego win would help Minnesota, despite them having played both of these teams (two losses thanks to playing Detroit twice)
Philadelphia at Dallas - St. Louis has played both of these teams. . .no real effect
San Francisco at Seattle - St. Louis has played both of these teams twice. . .no real effect
Chicago at Green Bay - A Green Bay win would make St. Louis' strength of schedule higher
New Orleans at Atlanta - A New Orleans win would make St. Louis' strength of schedule higher (both Indy and Minnesota have played both of these teams. . .no real effect)
Week 17 is a bit different, because all the games are divisional match-ups, so not all of the games would matter. Here's what I can see.
Indianapolis at Jacksonville - Obviously, we would want Indy to win
San Francisco at St. Louis - Obviously, we would want St. Louis to win
Washington at Philadelphia - St. Louis has played both of these teams twice. . .no real effect
Pittsburgh at Cleveland - Both Indy and St. Louis have played both of these teams. . .no real effect
Baltimore at Cincinnati - A Baltimore win would make St. Louis' strength of schedule higher (Indy has played both of these teams. . .no real effect)
New York Jets at Miami - No effect on anyone
Carolina at New Orleans - A New Orleans win would make St. Louis' strength of schedule higher (Indy and Minnesota have both played both of these teams. . .no real effect)
Tampa Bay at Atlanta - Minnesota and Indy have both played both of these teams. . .no real effect
Buffalo at New England - A New England victory would make Indy's strength of schedule higher
Tennessee at Houston - Indy has played both of these teams twice. . .no real effect
Dallas at New York Giants - St. Louis has played both of these teams. . .no real effect
Kansas City at Denver - A Kansas City win would make Indy's strength of schedule higher (Minnesota has played both of these teams. . .no real effect)
San Diego at Oakland - Minnesota has played both of these teams. . .no real effect
Seattle at Arizona - A Seattle win would make Minnesota's strength of schedule weaker (St. Louis has played both of these teams twice. . .no real effect)
Detroit at Green Bay - A Green Bay win would make St. Louis' strength of schedule stronger (Minnesota has played both of these teams twice. . .no real effect)
(I didn't bother highlighting the two instances where cheering for Green Bay would be beneficial because. . .well, come on, none of us are cheering for Green Bay, regardless.)
Reader's Digest version. . .here's what we would be looking for in games that really matter
Week 16
Colts over Texans
Rams over Steelers
Patriots over Dolphins
Giants over Jets
Buccaneers over Panthers
Bills over Broncos
Bengals over Cardinals
Chiefs over Raiders
Chargers over Lions
Saints over Falcons
Week 17
Colts over Jaguars
Rams over Niners
Ravens over Bengals
Saints over Panthers
Patriots over Bills
Chiefs over Broncos
Seahawks over Cardinals
So, there you have it. . .if Minnesota does somehow manage to go 2-14 this year, that's sort of how we would want things to fall in order for the Vikings to get the highest possible draft pick. I'm pretty sure I got all of those right, anyway. That's a lot of prognosticating, in any event.
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It is a sad day............
to be a Viking fan. Looking to get the first draft pick is like looking forward to getting cut with a sharp knife, doesn’t hurt quite as bad as if the knife were dull, but it hurts a hell of a lot- none the less. Personally, I don’t want the team to break the ’84 record for losses, but that looks like a given the way the team has played down the stretch.
And if we do have the first pick, don’t waste it on another QB- I.E…….Luck, never has really impressed me.
Right now I'm convinced
That our coaching staff could take Brady, Manning, or Brees and turn them into piles of debris in about 5 seconds.
No need to wish for a great quarterback when the coaches would have no clue what to do with him.
by liveforadrenaline on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
"If we are ever,
to have a winning season again, then the first thing we gotta do, is take all the coaches out in the street, and shoot ’em down like dogs!"
(Paraphrasing Maj. Rufus Cobb in “The Return of Frank James”)
"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." - Old Cowboy proverb.
not necessarily our coaching staff....
but our O-line…
by michiganpat on Dec 19, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Except for
John Sullivan. He’s the only decent one, and besides, we just extended his contract.
"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." - Old Cowboy proverb.
3 way tie
There’s no way the Vikings are winning another game this season – and the same goes for St. Louis. However I do think it’s possible that the Colts beat the Jags in the last game of the season which would putus in a 3 way tie for the top pick. If this happens – I think the Vikes would be crazy not to think long and hard about drafting Andrew Luck. It’s not like Ponder couldn’t be used as trade leverage to land the extra picks needed to get the LT, WR, and DB help we need. This is going to be a once in a lifetime (hopefully) opportunity.
by Torstein on Dec 19, 2011 6:48 AM CST via mobile reply actions
you'd get more value
trading the #1 pick to another team…you could probably get another 2nd and 3rd round this year, as well as probably a 1st and 2nd or 3rd rounder next year.
Luck may be the next touchdown Jesus (at least it seems like it’s been proclaimed that he can do everything including walking on water), but how good would he look behind our O-line? rodgers, brady or brees would look bad behind this line.
heck, look at the GB game yesterday— how did Aaron Rodgers do yesterday with an O-line riddled with injuries and 2nd or 3rd string tackles? mediocre: less than 50% passing, 235 yards, sacked 4 times….
honestly I wish the vikings would have traded for Orton, and spent their #1 on a stud O-lineman…but we have Ponder, I think he can be good with good O-line play. look at the first GB game, save the woodson interceptions. the O-line played good, and ponder looked good….
Except no one ever trades the 1st pick
The way draft picks get paid, and the ridiculous points system dreamed up by Jimmy Johnson, makes trading the #1 overall pick almost impossible. However with the new CBA in place I think it might be more possible this year.
I actually hope the Vikes don’t get the #1 pick. I think this would put them in a really tough spot. At #2 they can just pick Kalil and address a major need.
Teams try, there's just never somebody who looks good enough to spend
the picks on. But, with the ‘next-[insert HoF QB name here]’ coming out this year, teams might be a little more willing to pay extra.
Perhaps the Browns, who got quite the bounty in that Julio Jones trade, wouldn’t mind. All those extra picks they got will certainly help to soften the blow from getting the opportunity to draft Luck.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
How about trading...
“False Start” Phil Loadholdt? We could get maybe a six pack. A warm one.
"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." - Old Cowboy proverb.
Except now there will be more trades...
With the new rookie wage scale teams shouldn’t shy away as much from trading… It was never about the trade deal but rather about the kind of money you had to pay your 1st overall pick when they are not guaranteed to be worth that money.
by WIPurplePride on Dec 21, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions
we could defintiely beat chicago
if Cutler and Forte don’t play….washington has been playing good as of late, and I can see Sexy Rexy having a career day against our secondary next week….
or we could definitely loss to Chicago...
Chicago’s defense can, and will, make Ponder look like well… Ponder. Our offensive line won’t give him any more help then they have all season and all they have to do is take away Harvin and we’re done. No moving the ball on offense unless Peterson has a game for the ages.
Also the secondary will not allow us to win another game. Whether Calib Hanie or Jay Cutler it doesn’t matter because the secondary has been literally and utterly abysmal. Our pass defense literally makes every quarterback they face (on average) look better than Tom Brady or Drew Brees.
As of week 14, Minnesota’s QB rating against is 107.1 To put that QB rating into perspective, take into consideration that Tom Brady’s quarterback rating for the season is 106.0, and Drew Brees’ quarterback rating is 105.9.
by WIPurplePride on Dec 21, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
This feels weird
The hoping for a higher pick people…get your minds out of the gutter.
by reebs on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Are we second or third now ??
Could somebody tell me where are we now in the draft order and as a bonus the percentages of stength of schedule of Indy, Rams and ours, thks
read my updated draft order post...
we currently are #3, but we project (if no major upsets the final 2 weeks) to be #2.
Thank you
I do not think that we will ever have a shot of Picking number one. #2 is the best (or worst) that we could have and the answer for me it is obvious. pick the best offensive lineman and start building from there, secon option Defensive backs, in the case of WR’s there are multiple options thru free agents.
Just read the Nfl Studs and duds this week
And kinda got pissed off that they had christian ponder’S name and the bear’S qb whole name on there but when it came to GB they had “Gb’S passing game” as opposed to “Aaron Rodgers”. they shit on our qb instead of actually watching the game and no that our oline was patethic but
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 19, 2011 7:22 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Refuse to but aaron on the list as a dud this week. our dud is our oline but bspn only see scores and not the actual game to know wtf was even going on.
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 19, 2011 7:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
yea, pretty upsetting
b/c ponder actually didn’t have a bad game considering:
he was given next to no time all day, and when he did have time, he was so scared for his life he was overthrowing everyone
our wide receivers were non-existant
even in garbage time, the saints were sending 6 guys at him.
AP wasn’t the AP of normal, though it was nice to see him on the field
when asked by Dan Patrick if his name alluded to not making quick decisions in the pocket, Ponder calmly replied "As crazy as it sounds, my mom's maiden name is actually Superbowlwinner. All one word"
I'm a big supporter of christian ponder
But i have this unexpected gut feeling that if we have the chance to draft andrew luck we should. ik oline is important and i want us to build up one in a draft but this guy is special. we should draft an lt but man i’d take another year set back to see us land an elite qbof in our hands. sorry but i’M sick of watching average qb’s
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 19, 2011 7:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
P.S.
Not saying i don’t want christian as our qb cause yeah he doesn’T have a lot of help and ima support him until he’s no longer a viking. (Hopefully after retirement and a hof career with a few superbowl rings)
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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 19, 2011 7:46 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I would only endorse that
provided we get something, a high round pick, for Ponder. That we can use toward the O-line or WR.
But I don’t think too many people are going to take Ponder over a fresh-rookie they can mold from day 1.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 19, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
but could even the anointed one, Andrew Luck
succeed behind this O-line?
by michiganpat on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
No. As mentioned above, even Aaron Rodgers looked awful
behind a bad OLine yesterday – all in spite of having great receivers and playcalling.
I f you get the chance to draft Luck
You do it. Ponder has shown flashes and the O-Line is crap. If you can draft Luck you consider yourself most fortunate and don’t mind getting a 2nd round pick for Ponder. It isn’t considered a waste or downgrade if you get Luck. If someone wants to give their first rounder so be it, but good luck with that.
I'll have your mother call you shortly.
If someone wants to give
Their first rounder for Ponder take it, but good Luck… If you can draft Luck, know I’m confused…
I'll have your mother call you shortly.
yes, agreed, you take Luck and don't think twice...
you trade Ponder for a 1st rd pick from someone else.
Put it this way; would you trade Matt Schaub and a 2 1st rd picks for 10 years of Peyton Manning? Because that’s what it’s akin to; giving up a decent QB (Ponder; and Schaub might be a ceiling; I like both) and what you’d get in a trade for Luck (3 1st rd picks minus what you trade Ponder for).
You have no way of knowing that Luck will be peyton manning
NO ONE will be Peyton Manning, except maybe Rodgers. I like Luck a lot and have watched almost every game he has played in over the last two years, but he has not shown the ability to play like Manning and has disappeared completely in games against high ranked BCS teams
Exactly
Luck could just as well bust or be worse than Ponder in the NFL, we simply don’t know… I think you take Kalil and hope he’s the tackle everybody says he is and then you got a solid cornerstone on the offensive line. Ponder gets another year and if he struggles we likely lose many games again but hey then we could pick another phenom like standout receiver Robert Woods next year or start over at QB then. I don’t think Ponder will struggle forever though we just need to surround him with better talent, and hopefully better coaches.
by WIPurplePride on Dec 21, 2011 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
Why, exactly,
would somebody pay a 1st round selection for Ponder over RG III or Barkley and being able to groom them from day 1?
This isn’t the NBA. Teams don’t just trade for players like that, or else Dez Bryant would have been traded this last season when the ’Boys were trying to shop him.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
couple of things...
1) totally disagree on Luck/Manning. Manning was 0-4 against Florida, for instance.
2) we don’t “know” Ponder will even be Schaub. it works both ways; we don’t “know” on any of these guys, but Luck is about as sure of a bet as you can get.
3) who said high 1st rder? he’s worth a 1st rder; maybe not top 5 or 10, but something. and personally ponder will be better than barkley.
Why is Luck a sure thing? Because ESPN says so?
He plays behind a pro-line with two pro-TEs. Look at his numbers against top tier teams. While I think he will probably be good, I don’t get why he’s such a lock to be a “sure” thing.
Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.
troy, not at all, for me...
i’ve watched plenty of luck play, and i just think there aren’t really any holes for him. he’s got the body, arm, intelligence, grounded-ness, nfl pedigree, etc. not to mention playing extremely well at a young age in an extremely advanced pro-style system under a guy who is now a stud nfl coach already.
there’s no such thing as a sure thing in the draft, of course, but luck is about as close as you’re going to get. i’d bet the house on him being a probowl level qb, personally.
.. What?
I never said anything about Ponder being Schuab, or getting a high 1st rounder. I don’t think he’ll merit a 1st rounder at all. Depreciating value and all that.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 19, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
disagree...
I think Ponder’s shown enough to merit a 1st rder in a trade.
Don't see it happining.
Us getting the #1 pick that is. You take Andrew Luck without even thinking about. I see us ending up the the 3rd pick but hey Indy’s win makes things interesting that’s for sure.
This is a tough call
Andrew Luck just may be one of those once in a decade QB’s who might, on the right team be the catalyst of that team winning a Super Bowl, or even multiple ones. And he may well have a better career that Ponder. But that’s an unknown. And for those writing Ponder off already, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success and defeatism that refuses to see anything but failure. Hindsight is not wisdom and second-guessing is not a strategy.I remember some of the O-lineman of our past when we for the most part fielded some pretty darn good teams. Guys like Matt Birk, Jeff Christy, Randall McDaniel, Todd Steussie and Korey Stringer – these guys did the dictating, not the other way around. Unless we are able to choose #1 (unlikely anyway) and go bank with some type of awesome trade for Luck, I think the best route to go is to pick Matt Kalil at #2 or #3. He likely would be a great anchor on this team for many years, and would boost Ponders confidence back there almost immediately. And then from there, who the heck knows which route they’ll go. D backfield hopefully.
Sad to say
But if Indy goes into the last game with even a remote chance of losing out on the #1 pick, there is no way they win that game. Indy needs to somehow win next week or the #1 pick is all but locked up. There is no way the Vikes get the number 1 pick, we should just be hoping for the #2 pick at best.
Trade back, who needs a QB.
If Indy picks Luck. Then it’s us & the Rams who are two teams not looking for a QB unless his name is Luck.
If we have a chance to pick luck
I think we should take an Offensive Lineman…or 2. That would mean trading the pick where luck is available in exchange for a few other picks.
point being qb is not a glaring hole
and should be considered AFTER the oline, dline, dbacks, receivers, secondary are all taken care of.
This
Too many needs to go for 1st round QBs twice in a row. If we miss on Luck, oh well. We’ll at least have improved the team for taking the ‘next big thing’ at QB when the opportunity arises.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
where does one begin?
I know that nobody on here thinks the Vikings can re-tool solely on the draft. It’s gonna take a collective effort of draft, free agents. and trades to right this ship. let’s look at the one we have some sort of control over…..trades. I mentioned this yesterday after the game and will do so again. What player is so valuable that trading him would bring immediate dividends on holes we have to fill (provided we’re smart about it)?
It’s the name that nobody wants to mention and frankly i thought he was untouchable but AP is that guy. he had a decent game (not great) but he only had 10 touches for crying out loud. he was well on his way to a 100 yard game and the Vikes still got hammered. HE (AP) deserves to be on a winner….NOW! He could possibly fetch a boatload of good players and frankly, I think Toby Gerhart is more than capable of stepping up. He won’t be as flashy or have that break a game wide open potential, but right now we need players……..lots of players. Making a trade of AP may not be the popular thing to do but we need stop gaps…………pretty damn bad and pretty damn fast. AP is that marquee player that just might bring good players all at once!
by jjlovesfootball on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 AM CST reply actions
We'd get more picks trading back
than we would trading Peterson.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 19, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
nicely done -- you should re-post the "teams to root for" each week
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
I'm cheering for the Vikings to lose,
But I’m also seeing if they’re keeping the games close like they have been up until this New Orleans debacle that happened yesterday. They were keeping to close and entertaining, but it just shows what happens if you put the Vikings against a Super Bowl caliber team.
I know you guys are not going to like it, but they MUST lose these next two games. Winning might feel good at the time and like anyone you want your satisfaction right then and there. For the sake of the future of the franchise, this draft pick is extremely important and it has to be the best pick possible. At least this bad of a season is coming off of a shortened, messed up offseason that we all probably knew that the Vikings would suffer quite a bit from rather than a regular one. Come to think of it, this upcoming offseason will be the first one in two years that won’t be messed up for us at all. Remember the year before the last one, when they couldn’t sign anyone because of the uncapped year? Just something to think about.
Also, this season has shown me that these REALLY bad seasons make the good ones even more special. I’m never taking a winning season for granted anymore.
by christian220896 on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 AM CST reply actions
I agree
Although a win would be nice to stop these draft Luck/Ponder sucks convos
Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.
Add in the completely insane statement that you ALWAYS must take the BPA
Because to do so ALL THE TIME means you really don’t care about finding the missing pieces which will get you over the top, you care more about money and value, which have little to do with wins and championships.
Unless you are going to sign and trade, most of the time taking multiples of people you have little use for degrades your value, because then not only will you have picked up a newbie that has to fit into your scheme, but other teams wonder what is wrong with your current players so you have a harder time trading them for value.
Besides, guys like Belichick, Dungy, and others who win or are near the top on a continual basis have little use for BPA… they have determined that team chemistry and teachability are at least as important as raw college player ability.
by liveforadrenaline on Dec 19, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
O-LINE
You wanna know the reason Brees had the day he had yesterday and Ponder had the day he had.
it’s all about the line. Brees didn’t get touched yesterday by our D-line, because he’s playing behind an O-line.
Ponder was running for his life. No one (not named Michael Vick) is going to succeed unless they have time to throw the ball. Our revolving doors at LT and RT are ridiculous. Defenders should not be hitting a QB in under 3 seconds.
Luck will turn into the next Carr or Leinart, or (insert the long list of number 1 busts) if he doesn’t have help. Ponder will be a very good QB if given the tools to work with. Look what Andy Dalton is doing this year because he has a good running game, time to throw the ball, and a receiver to catch it.
Luck may be a good QB but not w/ our O-Line
when asked by Dan Patrick if his name alluded to not making quick decisions in the pocket, Ponder calmly replied "As crazy as it sounds, my mom's maiden name is actually Superbowlwinner. All one word"
it doesn't have to be either/or...
there is a draft salary cap now, so it’s not like luck’s contract would be a huge hindrance.
any scenario in which we are lucky enough to get luck means that we MUST address OL in other ways such as FA, 2nd rd pick in the draft (which is still a low 30’s pick) and/or trading Ponder or other parts for OL help.
making it either/or is a completely false choice.
Does all this talk
about Luck being the “next HOF QB” remind anyone of that episode of South Park with Brittany Spears?
I heard that if we lose out and the Rams lose out, we'll get the #2 overall pick either way because of our remaining teams' SOS.
The Bears and Redskins have a much lower SOS than the Steelers and Niners do, so it’ll make the Rams SOS even higher when they lose to them. Us it won’t affect as much, apparently to the point that we’ll get the #2 overall pick.
"Like I said, I don’t think anybody on this team knows what schism is, let alone could use it in a sentence. I thought it was an STD when I first heard it. And I was like whoa, we preach abstinence around these parts." - Jared Allen
Well fun bit of info Chris
And other than the fact that I"m in the bowl game of my FFL this gives me at least a small reason to flick through games during the day. However, I’d much rather win. If we win out we’ll still probably be able to pick up Martin and I’m 100% cool with that. Kalil, Martin both probably going to be solid LT’s in the league, but winning beats losing every time.
I think we have a strong chance against the Bears if Forte and Cutler are out for sure, and I don’t the Redskins are a stretch at all. Pick up one of these end the year on a quasi high note and I think that will help us far more than the meager skill difference between Kalil and Martin.
Pax!
The Vikes aren't in a remodeling or reconstruction they are in a burn the place down and start praying they don't mimic the Lions rebuilding process.
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