Vikings Players Are Not Happy With How Team Handled Chris Cook
So, I know it's childish to say ‘I told you so', but there are two things to keep in mind here- 1.) I'm more wrong than right, so I will relish every little victory I get, and 2.) I'm very much a child trapped in a man's body. So, without further ado-
I told you so!
Reports are surfacing that the Vikings locker room is not terribly happy with how the team has handled Cookgate, which, in case you've been living under a rock for the past few months (and if you have been- it is your best interest to go back under it for the remainder of the season, and for the love of G-d do NOT check on what the Vikings have been up to lately), refers to how Chris Cook allegedly strangled his girlfriend to the point of losing breath as well as permanent hearing damage, and now faces some very serious charges in said matter.
And of course, to finish the recap, the Vikings suspended Cook for two of the four allowed weeks for ‘conduct detrimental to the team' (as in, doing something that caused him to sit in a jail cell while we lost to the Packers just a few miles away) before reinstating him to the active 53-man roster... and basically putting him on paid leave, not allowing him to attend practices, meetings, games, etc. all while collecting his full paycheck.
So, why the ‘I told you so'? And what about this exactly has miffed the Vikes? Well, join me after the leap of faith for that.
The first reason the players aren't too pleased, and this is where the ‘I told you so' comes in, is that they feel it is hypocritical for a few reasons. First off, players are forced to sign a conduct agreement by both the NFL as well as the Minnesota Vikings upon attending their first training camp. While I can't say I know the specifics of said agreement, I'm fairly certain it doesn't approve of ‘choking your girlfriend'. The Vikings, ever since the Love Boat incident and Zygi Wilf's involvement with the team, have taken quite the hardline stance on this.
The team therefore feels it's hypocritical in that regards that Bryant McKinnie was released shortly after reporting to camp via forklift, and Bernard Berrian later in the season for showing all the interest on the field (and off of it at times as well) as Prince Valium in the team's success; yet Chris Cook can allegedly strangle and beat his girlfriend, and essentially get a paid vacation out of it. I pointed this out several times when the team decided not to release him; I found it hypocritical myself, seeing as how neither McKinnie nor Berrian did anything remotely illegal or, outside of the pure realm of football, anything harmful to any other human being and yet were cut. And I feared the players would feel the same. And as it seems to turn out, I was right.
The negative reaction in the locker room runs deeper than that, actually. The hypocrisies of releasing McKinnie and Berrian and keeping Cook aside, Frazier has preached a constant message of ‘fight no matter what' to his team, and we've seen it resonate in many games when, faced with a large deficit, the team rallied to at least keep it competitive in the end. If nothing else, that message and its relative success has been what's going to keep Frazier's job- in the end, if faced with a dumpster fire of a season, a horrific dearth of talent at several key positions, and an ever growing IR list, a coach can inspire his team to pick it up and fight on, then he's doing at least a big part of his job. However, that whole message might be at risk by the Cook handling. While teams don't actually suit up 53 players for a game, every roster spot is treated with fanatical devotion- players sweat, bleed, and (come on, I'm sure they do it) cry to ensure they get one of those almighty spots. And when a team essentially lowers itself to a 52 man roster by allowing one of those guys to sit on his couch day in and day out, it by and far shows less of a concern for the current season. Players are starting to look at it all from the logical standpoint- that in reality, the team would like to see how this resolves itself and possibly keep Cook for next season (mind you, in some aspects not a bad idea, I personally have encouraged the idea of trading him if nothing else rather than outright releasing him), rather than focus on 53 guys who can win games this season.
While that again is not a bad idea- especially when you're staring at 2-14 and are mathematically in the running for the #1 draft pick- it does to the players create a second hypocrisy, in that the team is more focused on next season than this. While we fans can sit back and go "well, duh", a lot of players, like E.J. Henderson, are staring at the strong possibility of not having a next season, at least not with the Vikings. And as the locker room grows more and more aware that this team might go down as the worst in Vikings' history, it's becoming a growing concern. (For all he's given to this team, do we really want The People's Champion to end it all on this note?) Fans, and to some extent (especially for the Colts) front offices, can easily grow the perception that ‘screw it, this season's lost, let's just go for a good draft pick'. But players, especially those at the end of their contracts and in some cases their careers, don't particularly care about that kind of stuff. They're focused on this season, this upcoming game. (Again, maybe not the Colts.) Even the rare player who is actually a natural fan of the team, a la Chad Greenway, cares less about draft stock than they do about pride.
And again, when the team lets one of its almighty 53 spots go to a guy on his couch- a guy on his couch who is there because he beat up his girlfriend (it's a bit different when it's Peyton Manning, who's on the roster but not playing because of an injury, and was left there due to the hope that he would return)- it screams ‘we're not as interested about the next game as we are about the next season'. And for coaches who preach ‘ignore the future, focus on tomorrow', that message because problematic.
Cook's probably not making matters any better via his twitter account. I was going to post a few ‘best of' tweets of his, but man, just go check it out yourself- they guy is apparently living large right now. Since he posts about 50 freakin' times a day I finally gave up after a point, but I didn't see a single tweet regarding the Vikings or their games; instead, he's constantly tweeting about what delicious food he wants to eat, what shoes he's going to buy, chatting with followers about what video games they should play with him... essentially, his twitter account shows a guy who really is perfectly OK with chilling at home rather than fighting alongside his fellow teammates on the field. While reports that have surfaced have not mentioned any players having ‘personal' problems with Cook per se, I can't imagine that some haven't seen this and aren't wondering why he's still on the roster. To take a theory out on a limb here, it could also partly explain some of Cedric Griffin's recent unhappiness- for a guy who's fought back from two ACL tears and is at least practicing day in and day out, I can't imagine he's pleased that a fellow cornerback is collecting paychecks at home and essentially on a public bullhorn announcing how sweet his life is right now. (Mind you, that's 100% speculation on my part here, but really- does it sound farfetched?)
Right now, the team still seems united behind Frazier. Percy Harvin is quoted as saying he's pleased with a recent team announcement that Frazier will be back next season. And to be fair, there's no guarantee that Frazier himself came up with this decision or even approved of it- a few reports claim the contrary, although Frazier himself repeatedly has publicly backed it (which, of course he will do regardless). And with only two games left in the season, one wonders how important this will all be. It's not like locker room discord is going to do any serious damage for playoff prospects or anything. However, what happens should Cook be exonerated via his intended self-defense plea, or plead down to lesser charges, and return to the team next season? How will he be treated in the locker room? How will players like Jared Allen take to his return? Could Cook turn into a locker room cancer in a season where hope might be somewhat restored, all while we attempt to continue the development of QBOTF Christian Ponder, in a season where we entirely have the possibility of more new starters than old on the team?
At this point the team might have to take a good, hard look at their future plans for Chris Cook, and accept that perhaps it's not so much about what he might do on the field for us in the future as it is about what effects off the field he will have on the team.
What say you, my fellow Viking faithful? With the team unhappy about how the Vikings have handled Chris Cook, what should the team's future plans with him be? (FYI, yes, this poll is based entirely on the contingent that Cook is available through whatever legal wrangling next season.)
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Where's the evidence?
I agree with your point, but who is specifically unhappy about Cook? This article seems to be pure speculation.
That said, the Vikings are absolutely spineless for not cutting Cook. They wasted a high pick on a piece of s**t human being, and they can’t seem to admit this to themselves. I know we desperately need defensive backs, but not criminals.
This team is in for a loooooong rebuilding phase, and if they’re smart they’ll trade as many picks and as many players as it takes to build a new foundation. But with recent draft history as our evidence, they won’t. They’ll overdraft out of need and not on talent. This should have been our QB year, not last year. We needed (and still need) O line and CBs. McNabb and Webb could have gone 2-14. I understand you have to develop a quarterback, but Ponder is just simply not a winner or a leader, he’s a kid brother. I can’t seem to get over him mic’d up on NFL.com, and after throwing his first pro TD pass, yelling at Shank to “give him the ball,” not saying, “good job buddy,” but “give me the ball.” That is not the guy I want leading my team.
by MontanaVikingsFan on Dec 22, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions
Kid brother?
Listen, I would argue about the merits of Ponder but this article is about Chris Cook and has nothing to do with Ponder. Why bring it up when the topic has been reiterated constantly?
Back on topic, there must be reason behind the madness. The Vikings must feel that Cook has a good chance of being exonerated and is a part of the teams future.
by Coolio12 on Dec 22, 2011 2:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
My bad
I tried to stay on topic, but then my pissed-off Vikings fandom took over, and I just descended into a tangential this-whole-organization-is-screwed rant. My apologies, but I hope they cut Cook, because then I can at least say this team did one thing right this season.
by MontanaVikingsFan on Dec 22, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Search multiple sources for Chris Cook news
and you’ll find many saying this. Few list any players or quotes, just ‘sources’- but the large amount, and reputable nature of most of the publications, lends me to believe that it’s a strong probability that this is more than ‘speculation’.
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Yeah, let's curb the whole
‘zomg media speculation!’ thing. They usually know wtf they’re talking about. Schism-gate aside.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 22, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
If they cut him right now before his trial they will likely have to deal with the NFLPA.
If you follow the rest of the league you’ll notice that guys get in legal trouble quite frequently. Those that are fringe players on rosters are immediately cut while anyone close to starter or quality backup ability is kept until their legal situation is ironed out. Part of this is that the NFL is a heartless business that’s about putting the best talent on the field and part of this is because a fringe player that gets in trouble can be cut and the team can hide behind the excuse that their play is the reason they got cut when everyone knows it’s the off-field stuff. If a team cuts a player that is performing well on the field because of “unproven” off-field concerns they open themselves up to the NFLPA taking action and possible lawsuits.
Basically the Vikings have handled Cook’s situation the only way they’re allowed to under the CBA. The only thing they could’ve done differently would’ve been to suspend him for the full 4 games instead of 2. Until, and if Cook is found guilty their hands are kind of tied. I get that the guy may be a scumbag but rules are rules and you’re innocent until proven guilty last I checked, so just wait until his trial takes place before you bring out the “I told you so’s” and the “we should cut him nows”.
If he’s done what he’s alleged to have done he’ll either face jail time or a lengthy suspension from the league and the Vikings will cut or trade him at that point. Until then, he’s being kept away from his teammates and coaches and that’s about the extent of what the Vikings can do with him at this point. Wait it out, see if he cleans up his act, see if he’s guilty or not, and then make a decision. Hate to bring it up but our beloved Kevin Williams was charged with the same thing and many other players get charged with the same offense every year in the NFL. I don’t excuse this behavior but there’s a lengthy process that has to be followed in these situations so be patient. If the guy really is a turd he’ll get bounced from the Vikings soon enough, and knowing the NFL since he’s a turd with talent he’ll float back up on another team or two : )
Teams can cut players at will.
The NFLPA might bitch and moan but there’s really not a lot they can do about it. Look at Randy Moss- he was cut for far less, and while we weren’t pleased with his efforts on the field, the team never claimed that that was the main reason- it was all about his attitude, his conduct off the field (and of course in particular the catering thing). The NFLPA never once did anything about it because they can’t. Teams have the right to cut players for whatever reason they darn well please.
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Not really true. In the Zulgad article about this he suggests that they only suspended Cook for two games instead of four to avoid a grievance being filed.
In Moss’s case he could’ve filed a grievance as well if he was actually disappointed by being released by the Vikings. Yes, they can cut Cook or any other player at any time but they are subject to grievances from the NFLPA, cap-penalties, and in extreme cases lawsuits. In Cook’s case, cutting him would have led to an NFLPA grievance, cap-penalties, and more prolonged media exposure. The NFL is a business and the Vikings made the best business decision they could make in a crappy situation.
by CanadianViking on Dec 22, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I voted that we..
ditch him. Somehow. I don’t care what way. If we cut him, if we trade him.. just get him off the team. From what I read, Frazier doesn’t even want him anymore. If the HC doesn’t want him, I don’t see any reason to keep the guy on the roster.
Sucks for us. Our secondary has now gotten even worse.
The team's handling of the Cook issue.....
should, in no way, surprise anyone, considering how it has handled other circumstances over the years. You mention McKinnie and Berrian, but there is also Troy Williamson, Onterrio Smith, Koren Robinson, etc. There does not seem to be a policy in place, but rather a reactionary impulse to each instance, case by case. There are teams with solid front offices, where there are no surprises. Policy with these organizations can be as focused as to whether players can have facial hair, and if so, how long, what color, etc.
The Vikings fly by the seat of their pants, or so it seems. Bud Grant used to employ strict standards with his players, even when it came to allowing heaters on the sidelines. This team needs discipline. If it doesn’t exist at the top, we cannot expect it to be on the field.
Well said sir
also, maybe they are not doing anything because LF knows he won’t be around next year, so just leave it to whomever is in charge next year. Im sure that will not happen, but I hope it does
But Frazier will be
an announcement was made to the players already.
by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 22, 2011 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
well thats ok i guess, two years of high draft picks should really help out
whomever gets hired after they let him go next year
Get your plane ticket now...
and G-d help you it better take off before January 1st, 11:59 pm.
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IF this is true...
…then he needs to go — hopefully by trade so we can get something out of it, but either way, he should not be a Viking if this report is true.
1) if that many players are against it, and he returns, it could create a very uncomfortable and bad situation in the locker room. a team can’t gel with that, and young players need a lot of positive influence around them, not distractions.
2) the kicker for me is, Frazier has given so many players second chances for a variety of reasons. if even Frazier doesn’t want to grant Cook another shot, that should really speak wonders of the situation.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
All this Trade/Release talk....... bugz.!
The Vikings don’t know Cooks fate, therefore they don’t know his trade value, so how can they make a sound decision in trading or releasing ?
Maybe they should wait and see what happens…instead of overreacting just to overreact.
The NFL isn’t forcing the Vikings to make decision right now, so why should they.
As far as the other players go….Who cares what they think?
It certainly isn’t affecting any of the others players salary’s, so why should they care.
If anything they should be pissed that the FO is still paying Favre!
Actually,,,Some of the players might think it’s a good thing that the Vikings weren’t so quick to release Cook before his day in court!
Right Now
the Vikes can’t trade him, and realistically he can’t [play most of the games after the arrest since he was told he can’t leave MN until after the court case is settled. which means if he was cut, no team could really claim him either. the Vikes are stuck in a holding pattern until the court case is finished.
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by the Real Thor on Dec 22, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Why don't the players who are upset put their name out there?
That tells me all I need to know.
There are several other factors in play here that makes it not too smart to release him right away. First and foremost is the fact that he has not been convicted of anything yet. Only charged. If I recall correctly, and I do, Everson Griffen was “charged” with assualting an officer when he was tased and then later the charges were dropped. What a surprise.
The young lady also has recanted on her statement that he strangled her according to Cook’s lawyer.
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikings_Chris_Cook_to_claim_selfdefense_trial_set_to_begin_March_5112211
So it is a bit early to know exactly what he will be convicted of doing.
The examples of Berrian and McKinnie fall of deaf ears because they were well past their primes. Cook is an up and coming player which represents value to the team.
They really should not get rid of him until their is a conviction. And then they should try and trade him first. Remember that KWill was convicted of domestic abuse too. It is a terrible crime but not one where a person should not get another chance. Crimes of passion are the most difficult to judge IMO. Cook was jealous and apparently did something horrible.
As for the players that are upset, I do not know why? They are still getting paid and if it is a corner, then it allowed them to show what they can do. And we know what they can do. It is not pretty. I just do not see how anyone can complain because the talent on the team is so poor. I mean what player could be taking that #53 spot that Cook is taking? Who? There is no one with a great amount of talent that should be on the roster. And even if they are on the roster are they going to make the 46 man game day squad? Is there anyone on the practice squad who the Vikings are risking another team snatching by not moving them onto the main roster? And that would cost more money.
They had to pay Cook a million dollar bonus at the beginning of the year so they may as well keep him on the team until the situation is resolved.
I think the punishment is actually appropriate at this point in time. They took two pay checks and now they do not allow him around the team. Thus he is not getting any better this year. He has hurt himself going forward if he wants a new contract. This incident will follow him throughout his career and will keep his contract offers down IMO.
I think that anyone who is unhappy should “MAN UP” and put their name to that statement.
What does the anonymity tell you?
You don’t clarify. To me, it is indicative of a lack of a “team” orientation. If there is not a clear set of team rules and policies, then the Vikings are nothing more than a collection of 53 separate proprietorships, that may or may not come together on some issues. It is not about talent, the individual opportunities that each of them have to make the squad, or even the money, which, too often now, transcends all else.
I don’t care how much these guys make, BUT, they are still twenty-somethings, for the most part, who NEED discipline in their lives. Expectations of them must, and should, be high. It is the only way to build a cohesive, goal-oriented team.
I am not so concerned about what is being said, and who is saying it, but more that anything has to be said at all.
That sounds ideal but we have to deal in reality
As you said, they are all twenty somethings who need discipline and maturity.
That is the business of the NFL. They hire these young men and pay them a boat load of money. There are risks involved.
So now they are in the risk management side of the equation with Cook.
In the real world, you need to protect this “asset” and try and turn it into some kind of return. rather than cutting ties for nothing.
So the new real world.....
involves casting aside principle because someone has been prematurely overpaid? That is where team policy begins and ends? So, you admit that the inmates are running the asylum, and teams must and should be held hostage because of bad decision making, or poor scouting.
Frankly, the Vikings can do what they want. I have no stake in it. But, if success, from a team standpoint, is the goal, having different standards for players based on perceived skill sets is treacherous at best, and could be detrimental.
Favre got away with it for a year or so, but only because he was short term, and with a proven track record.
I would have to agree with some of that.
I think Mark is saying one thing and Mel is saying another. And I agree with you both. I think the team SHOULD keep Cook right now. He’s not had his day in court, and I think he’s too valuable to release. (I’m also not sold that releasing him would lead to NFLPA backlash.) And yes, the NFL is a business, and it’s all about putting the best talent out on the field, character be damned. Look at Ben Roethlisberger- I would say what he was accused of was far worse (as well as apparently repeated behavior, and not just a single incident), but because he was a Super Bowl winning QB that the Steelers highly valued, they decided to keep him. And thus far, he’s already taken them to another AFC championship.
On the flip side, IF Cook is indeed causing locker room problems with how the team has handled him and/or how HE has handled being ‘suspended with pay’, then it becomes another question. There’s lots of examples of high-level talent in the NFL becoming locker room cancer and getting themselves kicked off the team. Terrell Owens comes to mind- one of the best WRs in our generation, and ranking up there in the all-time greats, he probably will go into the Hall of Fame one day. And yet, he repeatedly caused locker room problems and was dumped by teams.
Right now it is a bit of a ‘wait and see’ game IMO. And in the end, the coaches would- or at least SHOULD- know far more than we about what effects this whole thing is having on the team. If Frazier feels that perhaps Cook will become a serious detriment to us in the locker room, then he should put his foot down and demand that we trade him when that becomes available (as I still feel cutting him outright is a total waste and quite unecessary, especially now). And at that point it doesn’t even matter ‘guilty or innocent’. There’s always the option, too, of allowing him back onto the team full-time next season and monitoring the situation with a microscope- if things begin to spiral down, trade him prior to the deadline.
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It sucks, but we should probably wait it out
I have an irrational hatred towards people that commit the kinds of crimes that he’s accused of, but that’s all it technically is at this point—accusation. The combination of the money he’s making, the fact that he isn’t guilty yet, and the position he plays all combine into letting this ride out.
I don’t have to like it (I don’t), but that’s the right answer for now.
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by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 22, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions
The whole thing stinks.....
and if he is busy sitting around tweetering about the everyday, boring mundane things that somehow seem interesting to a bunch of sycophants, it takes stinking to a new level.
You know what Murgo?
I spelled it that way intentionally, because I don’t engage in it. Figures you would take the bait.
hahaha
Just messing with you, a little bit. Nothing mean spirited about it and hope you took it the right way.
Thanks.
Now, why did you have to post that while I was typing up my ‘discussion point’ below?
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I'm a little surprised to learn that "players" are upset with how the Cook thing is being handled
I would have thought they’d appreciate the organization letting the legal process play out first and paying the guy in the meantime. Seems like a generous, player-friendly approach. It’s a rare thing when people advocate against self interest. I guess that’s a good thing in that players have bought into their conduct policy and its importance. Still, until names are named, there’s a part of me that just isn’t entirely buying into the idea of a player revolt over this issue.
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin
Unless.......
these players know him better than any of us do, and wonder why an a-hole such as he is getting preferential treatment. Just speculating…..
He was one of the guys
getting reamed by Edwards last year during the GB game. Could be just coincidence.
Innocent until provoked again?
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That's not the issue being argued here...
more just his effects on the team, or more accurately, the effects of how the team is handling him on the rest of the players.
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It is exactly the point, because one thing stems from the other. It doesn’t matter what the other players think, if the team cuts him and he ends up being innocent, there is huge problem.
There is no viable comparison to Berrian and Fat Boy here, both were let go for non-performance, not off-field legal issues that have yet to be resolved in court.
Can you imagine if you were accused of fondling your admin assistant and were immediately terminated, then it was shown she has a history of fraud and false accusations in her past ?
I’m not saying this is what will happen, the guy might be a total dirt-bag, I have no idea, but you have to play it that way.
Normally I wouldn't do this, but I'm going to 'micro manage' the comments section here and suggest a discussion point.
No one here has mentioned his tweets. Yes, that’s not the point of the story per se, but it was an interesting thing I found- just how OK he seems to be with not being a part of the team right now. Personally, I’m rather surprised, seeing how much he uses it and what all he has said, that his agent and/or lawyer haven’t “taken it away from him”. Seriously, you guys should go check out his twitter account- it’s practically everything BUT football, Vikings, NFL. (I think there was a shout-out or two to his alma mater.) Like I wrote, I would have to imagine some of the players have seen that, and I can’t imagine they’re all too pleased.
So……. discuss.
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It's possible he's been instructed to not say anything related to the Vikings or football.
If I were the Vikings and decided that I’m keeping him away from the team and coaches while his situation is cleared up I’d also tell him not to talk about the Vikings or anything football related to keep him out of the media’s eye as much as possible. Say he called that late hit on Ponder in the Detroit game a dirty play then he’d be at risk of being called out for hitting his girlfriend. A twitter war from an innocent comment about a teammate could lead to a media shitstorm for the Vikings.
by CanadianViking on Dec 22, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
Wow!
I think you just hit that right on the button!
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I picked "other", so here is why
First off, the others that were cut were cut for on the field performance or disinterest in the team…yet Cook played and practiced hard (presumably). Also, when the Vikings cut someone, they put them on waivers, trying to get some sort of salvage value. Be it someone else to pick up a portion of the paycheck or some sort of draft pick.
With Cook, no one will pick up someone who is facing jail time. So any possibility of getting something in return is zero.
I would also argue, and I doubt this was high on the list, but it warrants mentioning, that his personal life really doesn’t have a lot to do with the organization…there is some overlap, yes, but if the Vikings cut him for his personal life, which didn’t interfere with his job long term, and he is found innocent, he might be able to turn around and sue the Vikings for wrongful termination. At this point in the criminal proceedings, he has not been found guilty, so termination based on an assumption of guilt may not be defensible in a civil suit.
Finally, I think there are very specific rules on how a player can be deactivated. He can’t be put on IR, for example, because it is known that he is not injured. He can’t be put on the PUP list or any other list. I do not know if he can be sent to the practice squad without any repercussions, though.
The team could easily 'fire' him for cause, but doesn't have to.
Player’s contracts are very one-sided for the team. Players cannot leave under their own free will while on contract (unless retiring), but teams can cut them at will. Cook would not be able to sue the Vikings or the NFL. Again, look at Randy Moss. Childress nor the Vikings sugar coated why he was fired- it was 1% the lack of perceived effort, and 99% being a jackass to local caterers. Had the Titans not picked him up and he was sent home a la McNabb, he still would have had no recourse.
Besides, if necessary, the team could still fire him for the cause of putting himself in a situation wherein he can’t leave the state of Minnesota (therefore, unable to join in road games) and, ergo y vis-a-vis, conduct detrimental to the team.
That said I don’t think we should cut him. If anything trade him in the offseason once the uncertainty around the court case fades and try and get something for our troubles.
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by KJSegall on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The team is probably thinking about recouping bonus monies already paid and releasing him prematurely could forfeit their right to collect if he's found guilty.
I know you don’t think grievances amount to anything but in a case like this a few million dollars can be at stake for how the Vikings handle him. For conduct detrimental to the team the Vikings can suspend him a maximum of 4 games and a release would prompt an immediate grievance from the NFLPA which would just put the story on the front page again. The only real solution for the Vikings is to let his trial and NFL disciplinary situations run there course.
by CanadianViking on Dec 22, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
It really boils down to the media stirring up dust. They stir the pot and get as many chunks floating at the top as they can. If players didn’t agree they should have spoke out imediately and also not be so scared to put their name out there. I swear sports writers are becoming like the neighborhood busy bodies.
After that being said I didn’t like the move to keep him on the roster either, players crying about it now just makes them look like sore loosers.
Sore loosers?
Ok I cant spell either…but seriously, you think they are jealous they didnt play knock around with their girlfriend too?
2011 Vikings, keeping the liquor industry in the green ALL YEAR LONG!
If he's not in prison...
then we should start him. He has talent and held his own against some of the better receivers in the NFL earlier this year. I don’t condone anything he’s involved with but if he can change his ways and hopefully leave that area and stop hanging around the wrong people I think he can stay clean and contribute to the team in 2012.

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