Project 2012: Visanthe Shiancoe
So how excited are you guys for the big game in D.C. on Saturday?!
Yeah, me neither. I'll have the weekly preview and picks up tomorrow, but for now let's continue our Project 2012 series. We've covered Phil Loadholt and Cedric Griffin so far, and in both cases there seemed to be a general consensus among readers regarding both players. In Loadholt's case most people said some version of "he isn't good, but he's cheap and we need to fill other holes, so keep him around." Meanwhile, many fans agreed that Griffin shouldn't be a Viking next year.
Today's subject is much less straightforward when it comes to his future with the team. Tight end Visanthe Shiancoe has been a starter with the Vikings since 2007. His signing raised a few eyebrows since he hadn't done much in the first four years of his career with the Giants, but he proved to be a pleasant surprise. Shiancoe has been a very good pass catching tight end during his stead in Minnesota. While he hasn't found the end zone in the past two seasons like he did in '08 and '09, he still remains one of the Vikings' biggest threats close to the goal line.
The man everyone lovingly knows as "Shank" is great player, but by all accounts is an even better person. He's funny, engaging, and never shy about showing his personality off the field. (Heck, he isn't shy about showing anything if you remember that televised locker room incident from a few years back or take a look at his current Twitter profile picture.)
Visanthe Shiancoe has been one of my favorite Vikings since he arrived. Which is why it pains me so much to say that I don't think he'll be a Viking in 2012.
Shank is an unrestricted free agent next year. He'll probably get quite a bit of attention on the open market with his solid track record and outstanding locker room presence. If he does demand top dollar, it would be hard for me to get on board with the Vikings matching such offers. The biggest reason for the Vikings to spend their money elsewhere is the fact that the team drafted Kyle Rudolph, and Rudy appears to be the real deal. Shiancoe has seen the lion's share of looks but Rudolph has made some amazing grabs in his limited time on the field this year.
In an ideal world, Shank and Rudolph could co-exist and the coaching staff would build an offense that accentuates both tight ends, like the situation they have in New England with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez. But there are two problems with that theory:
- I'm not sure that the coaches are capable of such ingenuity. If they haven't realized that Rudolph and Shiancoe are the only viable receivers outside of Percy Harvin yet, why would they suddenly change it up next year?
- The team currently has more holes than Casey Anthony's alibi. As much as I would like to keep Shank around, I'd rather see the front office spend free agent money on the offensive line. Or the defensive backfield. Or wide receiver. Or...well, you get the point.
I'm rooting for re-signing Shiancoe at a reasonable price, but that's probably not very feasible. Let's see what the other DN writers had to say about Shank's future:
CHRIS
As much as a cult figure as the man has become around these parts (It's a verb. . .to shank!), I really don't think there's any chance the guy winds up back here in any case. He can still be a contributor, but with the rebuilding process well underway for the Vikings and Kyle Rudolph being drafted to, presumably, take his place, it's highly unlikely he's going to want to become a part of all that.
If he was willing to sign for a reasonable price, he would be worth bringing back, but if he wants a bigger paycheck somewhere else, he's going to end up leaving. The Vikings are getting younger at tight end with Rudolph and Allen Reisner, and can continue to do so with a mid to late-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft. It's been great watching Shiancoe transform from the pass-dropping machine that he was when he first got to Minnesota into one of the Vikings' more reliable offensive threats, but I'm relatively sure that he's not going to be back in 2011, and that's probably for the best.
TED
This is a tough call, as I am a big Shiancoe fan. He's really matured into a good TE since he got here and had a case of the dropsies early on, and I am a firm believer that if you have a young QB that's developing, he needs reliable targets to throw to. Shiancoe fills that bill, and with the multiple TE sets that Bill Musgrave runs, he would seem to be a guy to keep.
There are two issues with him coming back, though: age and money. He's north of the dreaded age 30, he started to fight those nicks and bruises this year, and you wonder if this isn't the beginning of the end for Shank. I'm not sure what he would command on the open market, but with his age, nagging injuries this year, and playing on a bad team, I can't see him getting a huge contract in free agency.
With Jim Kleinsasser probably retiring (bows head, moment of silence) it makes sense to bring him back for a year or two and ease the transition to Kyle Rudolph as the starter. They'll need to address tight end in the draft or free agency anyways to backfill The People's Champion, and keeping Shiancoe makes sense.
So yeah, if the price is right, bring him back.
SKOL GIRL
As a tight end known more for his receiving, it looks like Visanthe Shianoe's talents overlap with Kyle Rudolph's. That could make Shiancoe expendable if the team wants to go younger across the entire roster. That said, it seems unwise for the Vikings to part ways with a reliable receiving target when they are trying to develop rookie quarterback Christian Ponder. With Jim Kleinsasser's retirement appearing imminent, a veteran tight end could also provide some stability to an offense (well, really it's the whole team) in flux.
However, Shiancoe may command a higher price than the Vikings feel like meeting, in which case, the Vikings might try to persuade Kleinsasser to stick around for another season to fill the role of veteran tight end. Because Kleinsasser is primarily a blocking tight end, he doesn't duplicate the abilities Rudolph has and may be more valuable to the team. That, however, doesn't seem to be likely at this point.
KYLE
Shiancoe has definitely proven he's still a good player with something left in the tank, even with his recent hamstring injuries. One important question I suppose with the aforementioned suffering in mind--will those hammys heal up and he become even better for a season or two, or will his age turn them into the 'nagging injury' he'll be dealing with the rest of his career?
Either way, I'm a bit torn and yet still leaning towards keeping him--if, of course, the price tag is alright. While this team may be in rebuilding mode, I'm also not of the mindset a la 2010 Carolina Panthers as far as "screw it, just dump all the vets regardless of how good they are". Before you call me a hypocrite because of my suggestion in regards to trading KWill, keep in mind if Shiancoe leaves, we get bupkis in return, so there is a difference.
While Rudolph is definitely the future, Musgrave has always expressed his interest in two-TE sets, and we've seen some of that this season. Keep in mind how the Patriots run that--Gronkowski is undeniably awesome and their starting TE, but their two-TE sets also have the very good Hernandez too. I'm not sold on Reisner or Schuler being our second TE, so unless we want to open yet another hole on this team, I think we should try and secure Shiancoe for another season or two while we address our other significant deficiencies. The Shiancoe-Rudolph tandem makes for a really good two-TE play set, in my opinion. And considering our troubles at WR, it's not like we don't need good receivers, technical position be damned.
The flip side is of course Shiancoe's impending FA. He's going to test the market, and the bidding war could potentially get too steep for us. His veteran status may keep things from getting out of hand (Sidney Rice), but there's still the potential there for trouble regardless. And of course the bigger question would be--does Shiancoe even WANT to come back? I wouldn't blame him if a true contender sent out a good request and he simply took it, hoping to end his career with a SB win--I doubt he will get the opportunity with us, sadly. As with all NFL players, he'll want to cap his career with a ring, and again, I don't blame him one iota. So there's always that.
In conclusion--if we can, keep him. If the price is too steep or if he just would prefer to bolt for greener pastures to wrap his playing time up, then its au revrois, dude, and thanks for everything.
MARK
I think he is gone. He will be an UFA and there is no chance he will want to come back to a team with a 2-14 record, a rookie QB and coach, no stadium and not sure where they will play, and that just drafted the top TE in the 2011 draft. The writing is on the wall for less playing time which translates to less money. It is in the best interests of the Vikings to NOT resign Shiancoe and start Rudolph. They need to free up his $3 million to use on other free agents specifically in the secondary, linebacker, and DE positions.
I personally am a fan of drafting another TE this year. Coby Fleener is one I like but he may be too much like Rudolph. A HB/FB type player that is really good is Evan Rodriguez from Temple.
They also have Reisner and Shuler who should get every chance to make the team and backup Rudolph.
I think the Vikings will let him test the market and I think he will get an offer from another team. If not and they are desperate then they can resign him. I would not. I would just go with the youngsters and let them grow.
So that's what we think--now it's your turn. Let us know what you think the Vikings should do with Shiancoe in the poll and comments.
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Nothing against The Shank, but he is expendable.
It’s not personal, just business.
I don’t see a place for this veteran TE on a team that will be entering the second year of a re-building project.
by Midnight Rambler on Dec 22, 2011 6:20 PM CST reply actions
we probably won't be able to offer a price he'll like
and Shank probably wants to get on a squad that isn’t in rebuild mode.
but if he’ll stay for the right price, it certainly would allow us to focus on our many other positions of need.
i actually think Reisner has potential at the position to eventually fill in.
we need to draft a K-Sauce replacement late in the draft… anyone who can be a superior blocker.
"Th_r_'s n_ h_p_ f_r _ssh_l_ f_ckw_ts."
Can I buy a vowel...?? +1, Kluwe.
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Weisner?, will be ready to contribute more in 2012. we do not need to address the TE position in the draft
I don't think he'll be back
The only way I could see it happening is if he takes a contract that’s way below his pay grade and I wouldn’t want to stiff him like that. We have several young TEs waiting in the wings to replace him.
Hope he finds a nice, hefty contract somewhere else. Be a hoot if the Giants signed him back.
by Amrius on Dec 22, 2011 6:40 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Our favorite verb
Has made a lot of great plays for us and it would be sad to see him go, but Rudolph IS going to be one of the more prolific pass catching TE’s in the league and Reisner, as rj-b said, should be a decent player eventually. I can actually see the Giant’s targeting him as they have had some injuries at that position, and would probably be good in NY, because he isn’t shy of the press.
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Draft a TE?
Too many other needs. If Shank and K-Saucer are both gone, what about bringing back Dugan? What is his status?
by vking1 on Dec 22, 2011 7:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
WIGGINS!!!
One of my favorite ever. Good for at least one awesome hurdle every other game or so. He always got away with it too.
The Wiggins hurdle!
Always one of my favorites. I think defenders just couldn’t believe a guy that big could get up that high.

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by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 23, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
YES! HURDLE MODE!
Now I just need someone to put up a picture of Torpedo Dive and we have all the Wiggins bases covered! Man, lots of Wiggins nostalgia around here lately, loving it!
I still get asked at least once a game who the hell Wiggins is, it makes me sad inside.
I don't think drafting a TE is such a good idea
Of course, I don’t like the idea of allowing KSauce to retire yet….considering he doesn’t want to move his family for a year or two before retirement. I think if we can keep Kleinsausser, we can allow Shank to walk away from this team. Lord knows we need more blocking right now any how.
I like
the idea of having a 2 TE set. I really think it would help devolpe the young QB christain ponder.
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I don't subscribe
to the idea that we need to keep him around as a veteran presence for Ponder. If the coaching staff thinks Rudolph is capable of better production, let Shiancoe walk. Shank is a decent tight end, but there are plenty of those in the league. As for the ideas about running a scheme similar to New England’s, we should probably get this straight: Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez are both better than either of our tight ends currently. Gronkowski could end up being one of the greatest to ever play if he keeps up what he is doing. I don’t disagree with utilizing more than one tight end if it is effective, but I can’t say I buy that it would work for us the way it does when you have Tom Brady throwing the ball and those guys on the other end of it.
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Love ya, Shanks… but it’s Rudolph Future.
In a perfect world we have both next year, but I dunno…
by Odin'sDrunkenSon on Dec 23, 2011 7:53 AM CST reply actions
2 TE sets with Shank and Rudy
I remember before the season when Musgrave was hired there was a lot of talk about him implementing 2 TE sets like the Pats, as they were both athletic enough to line up anywhere. Obviously, we haven’t seen that used effectively very often this year, and now with Shank most likely leaving we won’t get to see it next year either. Really disappointed with Musgrave’s offense. Some of the stuff we run makes Chilly look halfway competent.
Another reason why I like Shank
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by Eric J. Thompson on Dec 23, 2011 9:04 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
That's Awesome!
Shank is awesome. I wish we would see more two tight end sets, but Musgrave has his head up his ass half the game. He would rather fake a handoff to Ponder.
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