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The Vikings' Draft Pick Keeps Getting More Valuable

The Minnesota Vikings are pretty much guaranteed a top three selection in the 2012 NFL Draft, and while the debate rages on as to what they should do with that pick, a couple of things happened yesterday that will make that Vikings' selection more valuable, regardless of where in the top three it falls.

First off, the Indianapolis Colts got their second win of the season last night with a thrilling. . .yes, thrilling. . .19-16 win over the Houston Texans in their last home game of the year. That raises the Colts' record to 2-13, and if the Vikings and Rams lose this weekend to the Redskins and Steelers, respectively, then all three of those teams will have the same 2-13 record going into the last week of the season.

Now, a Colts' loss to the Jaguars next week will lock up the top overall pick for them, as their strength of schedule is significantly lower than that of the Vikings or Rams. However, even if the Vikings don't end up with the top pick, they could have a pretty significant bargaining chip. Why is that?

In the 2012 NFL Draft, it has been widely thought that there would be a "big three" at the quarterback position, with those three players being Stanford's Andrew Luck (the consensus top overall pick), Baylor's Robert Griffin III (the Heisman Trophy winner), and USC's Matt Barkley. Well, yesterday Barkley declared that he was returning to USC for his senior season, so that "big three" has suddenly become a "big two."

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Now, with the top three picks being some permutation of the Rams, Colts, and Vikings, when you look at those three teams, there's no way the Rams are taking a quarterback, regardless of where they end up. Because they drafted Sam Bradford before the advent of the rookie wage scale, they have a metric assload of money tied up in that guy, and it simply isn't effective for them to take a quarterback with a high pick, even if the salaries are a little more controlled. So whether they're picking first, second, or third, they're not drafting another quarterback.

If the Colts end up with the top overall pick, they've made it pretty clear that they're going to draft Andrew Luck as Peyton Manning's replacement. However, if the Vikings get the top overall pick, the chance certainly exists that they could take Luck for themselves, but before anyone immediately jumps to that conclusion. . .well, here's something to chew on from Adam Schefter:

"If the Rams have the pick, it becomes literally an auction for that No. 1 pick, because the Dolphins, Redskins, Seahawks and other teams all will have an interest in trading up to that spot," ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter said on ESPN Radio on Wednesday morning.

"If somehow the Colts win a game and the Rams don't, then that pick, for the Rams franchise, would be worth, roughly worth, three (first-round picks) and two (second-rounders), maybe four first-round picks. And so there's a huge amount at stake if somehow the Colts -- who will continue to try to win games -- win another game, the Rams lose their two games and somehow come up with that pick."

Color me cynical, but I think that would probably apply to the Vikings as well.

People like to throw around the words "(he who shall never be named) trade" in reference to a team getting a huge haul of draft picks and/or players from a particular team. Well, in today's NFL, getting three firsts and two seconds or even four firsts for one draft pick is about as close to a "(he who shall never be named) trade" as you're going to get. I don't care who you're drafting or what's at stake. . .if you're a rebuilding team like the Vikings, and you have an opportunity to get as many as five or six high-round choices for the top overall pick in the draft, you need to think really long and really hard about taking that deal.

But even if the Vikings don't end up with the top overall pick, the second or third pick could be worth something substantial as well, particularly if the Colts follow what they've pretty much said they're going to do and take Luck with the top pick. As things stand now, that would make the RG3 market open up pretty significantly. As Schefter mentioned, you could potentially have a lot of teams lining up to get their hands on the chance to take one of the two big quarterback names in this year's draft.

Schefter specifically mentions the Redskins, the Dolphins, and the Seahawks in his quote up above there. Right now, according to the latest projection from the Great Blue North Draft Report, going into this week's games, the Redskins held the seventh overall pick, the Dolphins were sitting at ninth overall, and the Seahawks were perched in the fifteenth spot. The wild card in this is the Jacksonville Jaguars, who would draft fourth if the season ended today and could, potentially, be looking at another quarterback despite taking Blaine Gabbert in the first round in 2011.

And before anyone asks why it would be okay for the Jaguars to take a quarterback in the first round two years in a row when I've been so vehemently against the Vikings doing the same thing, the difference is that Blaine Gabbert has been absolutely awful this season, while Christian Ponder has most decidedly not been.

But anyway, one of those three teams (or any other team) would probably have to get ahead of Jacksonville if they wanted to draft RG3. So, you pit all the combatants against each other, Thunderdome-style, and take the best offer from whoever wants to cough up the most to move up. Sure, you're obviously not going to get as much as you might be able to get for the top overall pick, but you should still be able to get a pretty decent haul.

I guess if the Vikings were going to pick a year to just be completely awful, they've picked kind of a good one. If they play their cards right, they could really throw their rebuilding process into overdrive. Now they just have to not screw it up.

Yikes.

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nice write up, Chris

probably against popular opinion, but personally i am not against bypassing Kalil (or Luck in a perfect world) and trading down for Reiff/Martin and a slew of top picks.

gonna be interesting.

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by rj-b on Dec 23, 2011 12:13 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

I'm currently up in the air

I’ve loved Webb last year as well as this year and hoped he could lead because I like the kid. I was and still am a Ponder fan, but gosh darnit, I’d love to get a “shiny new toy” this draft in the form of Luck. These Colt wins certainly have made it interesting for Viking fans during a season of misery.

I’d say, take Luck, get an OT at 33 or even move back up into the first round and shop Ponder, even after next year while he learns more. We’d still get a good amount for him.

by Murgo on Dec 23, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

Don't forget...

there is at least one other Viking highly motivated right now- JARED ALLEN! Dude’s got a sack record to break.

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by KJSegall on Dec 23, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be insane if..

Green Bay beats the Bears so they rest Cutler and Forte… they got a back-up QB…JA has a pretty good shot at the record if that happens he could have a monster game

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by Grape Drank on Dec 23, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Andrew Luck and would love to have him as the Vikings QB

But some team offers THREE first round picks, and you’ve got a trade.

by Bodysuit Man on Dec 23, 2011 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

But the Three number one picks are not in this year

Theay are talking one in 2012, one in 2013 and one in 2014

by MexiVike on Dec 23, 2011 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Not too many teams have multiple first round picks

Cleveland, Cincy, and NE this year, I believe. That still would give us 2 first round picks, three years in a row which would go a long way in stocking up the roster with impact players. Unless we pick busts in the past, which I won’t rehash.

by Murgo on Dec 23, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Cleveland is the only one who may need a QB

Cinci with Dalton a NE with brady will never do that trade for Luck
but if cleveland offers 2 #1 this year plus their #1 next year and if they add a second round this year or an extra player (Left tackle maybe I’m dreaming sorry) this could be very interesting

by MexiVike on Dec 23, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Two things:

1) I’d love to have multiple draft picks this and next (first and second next year), along with an established player, and yes, their LT would be friggen awesome. The deal has to be very sweet.

2) Something has to be said of getting a once in a generation type player. At least the potential. A QB can last 15-20 years. Just think, but the con would be nothing is a certainty.

by Murgo on Dec 23, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunatelly it is never an exact science

I saw many players that were the next best thing fail, that is the reason I am a little reluctant to risk it all in one player. (even if it’s a sure thing) I will trade for multiple picks, call me crazy but I do think that we have a solid group of players.
We have the best RB in the NFL, a very good and young wide receiver, very good TE’s, a solid DL, the best pass rusher, our LB are decent and our young QB could be better and just manage the game, if you add Winfield, cook, longwell etc we have a team that with just 5-6 additions could be very good, There will be some WR available thru Free agency as well as some excelent LB’s. if we just concentrate in our OL and our DB’s, we could change the situation rapidly. take multiple picks and start the rebuilding now !!!

by MexiVike on Dec 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, a QB can last 15-20 years

but how often will he legitimately win the SB, which is what we are all expecting Luck to do anyway. Peyton Manning has only done it a single time. He had one of the best seasons a QB can have in 2005, and he didn’t get a ring that year.

There’s so much to football than the QB position. That whole ‘QB gets too much credit/blame’ cliche? It’s being applied to the ‘Superbowl Formula’ now. Everyone is saying how you need a superstar QB to get to the big game and win.. Well, you need a team around him too. A good one at that.

Getting a boatload of high picks would go a long way toward helping us have a team like that, where we don’t need to rely on our QB solely to get us wins, but the defense and running game as well.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 23, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

For the most part, our offense has been league average, maybe a little above, since Ponder’s been in the game (against good competition, I might add). It’s been our defense that’s kept us from winning games.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 23, 2011 2:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

Even with our terrible secondary, if we had even a mediocre offensive line this year we would not be this terrible. That is where our focus needs to be. I think we can at least upgrade out secondary in FA.

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by Thor82 on Dec 23, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Ponder has turned the ball over 9 times in the last 3 games.

He has been a big factor in them losing. Having a SHIT D is one thing, but when you leave them out on the field too long b/c you QB turns the ball over, it falls on his shoulders as well.

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by VikesPma on Dec 23, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

This has little relevance

Even though he has those rookie moments of bad judgement, he has STILL been able to run our offense smoothly with a shit line and no AD for three games to relieve some pressure (again, for the most part).

Ponder turns over the ball around 1.5 times a game (not counting Detroit). Teams generally get around 12 possessions/game. What about the other 10.5 possessions?? You cannot tell me that Ponder’s turnovers deserve even 10% of the blame as to why we have a shit defense.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 23, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions  

9 TOs in 3 games

Is too much. The last 3 games he has been as much to blame as anyone.

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by VikesPma on Dec 24, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Manning gave the Colts a chance every year, he

Just wasent afforded the consistently good/great D that Brady was. Brady is having a hard time winning another one now that the Championship D have retired.

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by VikesPma on Dec 23, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Dallas will be in the market for Luck

Jerry is sick of losing and Jason Garrett dislikes Tony’s gambling personality. They want a ball security QB and Jerry will be willing to pony up Romo and picks.

by chatter on Dec 24, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll take Romo tomorrow

And Dallas will not trade up for Luck. Romo is a franchise QB. Dallas is just fine at QB.

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by VikesPma on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

That okay

I don’t necessarily like the talent in round 1 this year… Nobody said we have to get all 1st round picks this year. We should spread em out over the next couple years. A team’s 1st and 2nd this year, 1st and 2nd next year, and 1st the year after. A hefty price or you can pay a 2nd and we’ll take Luck and give you Ponder… that’s the bargaining chip we would have with first overall.

by WIPurplePride on Dec 23, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

if its fine for colts

to draft luck with one of the top 5 qbs ever . why wouldnt it be ok for vikes to draft him if they had number 1 pick. colts have won a sb lost a sb so they obviouly have done something right along the way the past decade. but in mn the talk would be to trade . manning = infinity better than ponder . but our excuse is we drafted a qb last year. BPA is how we draft and well luck is BPA. we hit at about 45% in the draft so with even 6 picks we miss 3 times at best . we are not that good of a drafting team and with a no brainer to 326 million people . it seems that 4 mill in the middle of the north american contienent would trade . to me this is a mind of mencia deet dee dee .

by skol viking on Dec 23, 2011 2:33 PM CST reply actions  

Anyone sold on Ponder is crazy

He might be good, but we havent seen enough up to this point.

Many young QBs that end up being great do have rough starts so we will see if he is Elway, Leaf or somewhere in between. I’d rather go for the ride with Luck.

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by VikesPma on Dec 23, 2011 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

So what you've done is defeat yourself...with your own logic

If it’s ‘crazy’ to be sold on Ponder, yet many QB’s that turn out ‘great’ have ‘rough starts’…why start over with Luck if someone dangles a shit ton of first round picks on front of our face?

I mean really, not to pick on you Pma, but I just don’t get this logic. We have a body of work from Christian Ponder that tells me ‘well, there’s good stuff here. He does good things, he does dumb things, but we have something to work with’. And we have nothing on a professional level that says Andrew Luck will be good, bad, or otherwise, yet a lot of VIkings fans just want to pitch Ponder over the side because ‘he sucks’ and go with another rookie…who has done nothing other than get fellated by Mel Kiper and Todd McShay…and who will still be lining up behind a shitty offensive line with no offensive weapons to throw to outside of Harvin.

It defies all football logic.

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by Ted Glover on Dec 23, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Call me crazy, but

I am sure I will get bashed for this, but I watched a few Stanford games this year and did not come away from them with the feeling of, " OMG Luck is an Absolute stud". He made some great plays, but made some dumbass mistakes as well. Kinda sounds like what we have right now. I am not saying he is going to blow in the NFL or Ponder is going to be the shit, but why start over?

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by Thor82 on Dec 23, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

We have picks of our own and possibly one for Ponder, if someone likes him

That could help rebuild the O-line, WRs, DBs…

If Luck ends up being awesome the few extra picks wont matter.

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by VikesPma on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I have not defeated myself at all you fail to respect opinion. It might defy your logic but not mine.

I don’t care if you help run this site or not. Your opinion doesn’t matter any more than mine, nor are you a more insightful football mind than I.

I am not impressed with Ponders “body of work”, so far as I don’t think he has shown enough good for me to be willing to pass on Luck. If there is any QB in the past 10 years that I would be willing to go all in with it would be Luck. Would the Colts have been better off to take 3 1st rounders for Manning? No. Sometimes you get one shot at a special QB and you have to take it. It is a risk, but one that gives you a chance at a Title. This is not the same as RB H. Walker. This is a franchise QB from the get go or as good a bet as any. Ponder has not shown enough flashes for me to believe he will be as good as Luck or as good a bet.

I am not sold on Ponder. His arm isn’t as strong as I think it should be and he has a hard time consistently throwing the out route. I realize the O-line is shit but Ponder’s 9 turnovers in the last 3 games are more than bad O-line play. Body of work doesn’t mean anything if you havent been shown enough good to make it worthwhile.

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by VikesPma on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

We have a body of work from Ponder that tells me

He will be average at best.

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by VikesPma on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

they have their “Back-up QBOTF”

by chaosg on Dec 23, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Doubt that the Seahawks would trade

They seem committed to the GB method of building a team with your own draft picks. I think they’d be content to pick up the third best QB in the draft, whoever he is.

by Jurp on Dec 23, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

???

It’s way too early to judge Ponder. He’s a rookie, no offseason, been hurt… That said if a person truly believes that Luck is a once in a decade player, they got to take him. I kind of hope he’s gone before the Vikings draft so they don’t have to choose. Don’t forget about Reggie Bush. He was suppose to be a sure-fire thing at running back. Personally I ’ll be ecstatic if the Vikings land Kahlil, and any other picks added to that are gravy.
——Is it true that the Vikings secondary is so bad, that they were considering using Everson Griffen there??

by vking1 on Dec 23, 2011 3:31 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

That was Matt Barkley you heard about

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by free7694 on Dec 23, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I don't think there is any way the team could pass on Andrew Luck if we can draft him.

Plus, I don’t think any team will give up as many picks as is being tossed around for the top pick in the draft. That Adam schefter quote is just silly talk. And any team wanting to give away multiple first round picks is most likely not going to be able to give them for the upcoming season. They would be spread out and qualified.

I’d take Luck in a heartbeat and not look back. He is the superior talent to Ponder. Nobody can argue against that. And, we should be able to get a good player that can start for us in exchange for ponder, or maybe a good pick or teo in the top rounds. I don’t think it would be smart to pass on a chance for Andrew Luck, though.

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by awesom.o on Dec 23, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions  

Kellen Moore??

What round does Kellen Moore get drafted in??

by vking1 on Dec 23, 2011 4:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

5th

Whoever gets him will be getting a steal. I’d take him in the 3rd.

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by free7694 on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

He'll go in the third

ONLY because he’s 6’ 0" (some have speculated 5’ 11"), has small hands, and a average arm.
Which is bogus

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 23, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

This is what I'd personall like to see..

..Win out, draft #3, or potentially trade down a spot or 2 to a team eager to take RG3. Draft Justin Blackmon (This kid is gonna be a true #1 for 10 years in the NFL – Physically’s he’s Terrell Owens). Pick up a vet WR via free agency. Reggie Wayne said before the game last night, it might be his last in Indy, as he’s a free agent this year. Go after the best available FA left tackle, and safety. For the remainder of the draft after Blackmon go with best available DB or OL. Each and every pick best either DB or OL.

by JDogg926 on Dec 23, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

It’s really hard to find a decent LT in FA because of how important the position is. The best we could find this year was Charlie Johnson … but WRs can be found in FA – Vincent Jackson and Reggie Wayne for example.

Ideally we draft an LT, unless the available LTs are significantly worse football players than Blackmon. I would consider Claiborne ahead of Blackmon, because stud CBs are also becoming rare in FA.

by mg7505 on Dec 23, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats true about WR's but

from what I’ve seen in Blackmon the last 2 years the guy is going to be a stud. I think Ponder has shown enough potential that he deserves the chance to have some weapons built around him. If we were to draft him, and sign Wayne, we’d have Wayne and Blackmon with Harvin in the slot (where he’s much more effective), to go with Peterson and hopefully more Rudolph (all the guys does is make plays, but he barely sees the field), that would give him plenty of options in the passing game. Without time to throw it won’t really matter, but If we were to run a lot of 3 receiver, single back sets, and spread the field, teams wouldn’t be able to load the box against Peterson. Then once they do start cheating up, the PA pass would be very effective. Of course with our secondary, unless we average 40 pts a game next year, that won’t matter either. We need a lot, probably more than can be addressed in one draft. However, if we can give Ponder a true #1 WR (and I can see Blackmon being that), I’d be excited to see that relationship develop ala Culpepper to Moss, Manning to Harrison, Rodgers to Jennings, etc. Just look at Dalton to Green in Cincy this year.

by JDogg926 on Dec 23, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing is with Reggie Wayne

is that he might not want to come to a team in rebuilding mode with a one year qb starting. He’s not getting younger and probably just wants another ring

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 7:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

You're right, its more of a pipe dream that anything, but maybe..

…if the price is right, meaning we would likely have to overpay, we’d get him.

by JDogg926 on Dec 24, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

We found that out some time ago

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 23, 2011 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Vikings don't blow it...

“Yikes,” indeed.

1983. First round, Vikings draft Joey Browner, pass on…

Dan. Freeekin. Marino.

Ghaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! I still remember yelling, “Stoooooooopid! Stupid-stupid…” at the TV. Didn’t help.

Yes, this Vikings franchise has shown itself capable of blowing it, in epic, calamitous fashion. Not just with players like Marino and Hershel. What about coaches like Dungy, Tomlin, Billick.

I hit. My head. Against. The wall. Over. and over. and over. All I get for my pain is bruises.

It’s to the point where I’m pretty sure I can’t watch the draft in 2012. Somehow, some way, they’ll find a way to get minimum mileage from this big tank of draft gas. I just hope they stay away from party boys and wife beaters.

by jimbo55403 on Dec 23, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

Marino and Browner won the same number of Super Bowls

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by free7694 on Dec 23, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

So, in your expert opinion...

…you pass on Dan Marino.

I wonder how many people agree with you. Morbid curiosity.

by jimbo55403 on Dec 23, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said passing on Marino was a good idea

I just stated a fact.

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by free7694 on Dec 23, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I might be changing my tune.....

You know, if we end up with the #1 it will be because of major failure in the last 2 games.
Yes I know we have a highschool secondary but if we loose these last 2 games because our QB can’t get it together i will be torn up inside thinking about what we should do if Luck is there for us to take.

Yes I know, a QB 2 years in a row, but hell we needed a QB last year. Webb was not the answer at QB last year. I really hope that we win out or win atleast another game so we don’t have to think about it. I know it is college ball and all but damn 70% completion rating and man does he put the ball on the money down field. Then again, Luck would just get killed behind our O-line or we would keep using dumb- A__ wildcat plays……..

by vaeine on Dec 23, 2011 8:50 PM CST reply actions  

70% completion rating and man does he put the ball on the money down field

Exactly, he is incredibly accurate. I didn’t watch a ton of Stanford games, but I did watch a few. And the placement on some of his passes is crazy good.

by dsludo on Dec 23, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

what's the good in havin a poteniolly good

qb with no line to block for him and virtually no one to throw to outside of harvin and rudolph. I mean a qb can be as accurate as he wants but he will need time and to actually have wr’s catch the ball. I wonder does the vikings lead the league in drops this year

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Ponder has stated

that in the past few games he has been overly conservative and played not to lose instead of playin to win but he plans to change that the next few games. Let’s see what he can do these final games. I mean though being relastic no qb would get this team 10 wins with our lackluster in talent on both sides of the ball. Just stick this out with Ponder folks and build a team around his strenghts and we’ll be in good hands in the future.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 23, 2011 10:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I am a huge Ponder fan......

But it frustrates me when anything over 20 yards seems like a crap shoot for completion. Let me emphysize on “Seems” too since we haven’t had many games and the O-line problems and receivers problems etc. I dunno….really hate myself for doubting Ponder…..I wouldn’t even be thinking it for any other QB…….

by vaeine on Dec 23, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Still a Ponder fan.....

I just watched some Sam Bradford highlights from college and they were pretty much Andrew Luck highlights. Ok I am done being weak minded, no more QB’s we need O-line and DB help through our top picks. Pick up more in FA along with WR’s. Hell go look up Bradfords stats in the NFL, they are not very good. Why?! He does not have much help these days.

by vaeine on Dec 23, 2011 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you sure

that you don’t want to take a quick look at some John Elway and Ryan Leaf highlights before you make up your mind?

by dsludo on Dec 24, 2011 1:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand how highly Andrew Luck is regarded,

but if anybody trades 3 first-rounders (plus more, if I’m reading correctly) for him, that front office is insane.

Anyhow, as I’ve said before, you guys are gonna beat the Sex Cannon and the Ursines and end up drafting fourth or fifth.

In any event, sincere Best Wishes for a Happy Holiday to all of you and yours.

by bob47 on Dec 23, 2011 11:44 PM CST reply actions  

Is there any way Luck can live up to his hype?

Whoever drafts him will have the most watched and scrutinized players in the league, will he ever be able to live upto the billing?

Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.

by TroyW18 on Dec 24, 2011 12:58 AM CST reply actions  

Hey guys, just an outsiders' look on the situation

I’ve never been as big a fan of Luck’s as many people. I’ve seen him play games where he relied heavily on a stout defense and good running game until he got hot, then the playaction opened up a lot for him. Ultimately time will tell if he can be that once in a generation guy, but he would do well for your team. A running game with AP and a weapon like Harvin will really open things up with a guy like him. You have one of the solid offensive foundations that would really help him out…the only thing I think is that you already have a guy like that in Ponder. With experience, he’ll take better care of the ball, and I’ve liked the way he has played (for the most part)

I’m rooting for you guys to make the deal and get the most value out of it, then take care of your o-line and defensive backfield.

Well best of luck to you guys—-which ever way you may be rooting for this to go:)

by Bronco Mike on Dec 24, 2011 1:12 AM CST reply actions  

All I can say is Wow

At that bounty of picks that the Vikings could potentially receive for the first overall pick. Four first rounders could make them be able to control the draft like the Patriots in years past, but they would need a competent front office in order to do that.

In the case of the first overall pick: I’m guessing they’ll trade it and get less than market value because Speilman is an idiot.

Second overall: They draft Kalil without hesitation; I mean them being on the clock for about 3 minutes before the pick is announced.

Third overall: Probably either Mo Claiborne or Justin Blackmon. Maybe even trading down and drafting Martin.

All in all, it seems like the Vikings are in a pretty good situation to make the team better. However, only the Vikings can screw this up. If they do, it’ll just show even more need for a GM.

by christian220896 on Dec 24, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

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