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Vikings Win. . .In A Manner Of Speaking

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Pyrrhic victory (PIR-ik VIK-tuh-ree) n. A victory that is offset by staggering losses

The term "phyrric victory" is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, who did battle with the Romans in the Battle of Heraclea in 280 B.C. and the Battle of Asculum in 279 B.C. In both battles, the Romans suffered greater casualties than Pyrrhus' army did. . .however, the Romans had a significantly larger base from which to draw troops. So, in essence, Pyrrhus' victories came at too high a price, as he even went so far as to say that another such victory would be his undoing.

That's pretty much what we saw today at FedEx Field in Washington, D.C., as the Minnesota Vikings fought like hell when it would have been easy to roll over, and got themselves a 33-26 victory over the Washington Redskins. The victory guarantees that they will a) not be the single-worst team in Minnesota Vikings' history in terms of win-loss record, and b) no longer eligible for the top overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft.

As far as I'm concerned, if people want to lament the loss of draft position and all that other good stuff, that's fine, they can do that, but I'm not feeling that at all, personally. When it comes to my sports teams and what not, I can tolerate losing. . .I can not tolerate quitting. And say what you will about this team, for the most part, they have fought their asses off all season long. These guys are professionals, ladies and gentlemen. They don't have any desire to "Suck for Luck" or "Fall Flat for Matt" or what have you. A lot of these guys aren't going to be in Minnesota next year, so who the Vikings draft isn't going to affect them anyway. I, personally, like Vikings' wins way more than Vikings' losses. Just the way I'm wired, I guess.

So all the discussion we've had for the past week about potentially selecting Andrew Luck and all that other good stuff? Yeah, it's all meaningless now. . .sorry about that.

But we're ignoring the elephant in the room right now. We'll find it after the jump.

Star-divide

As of right now, the Minnesota Vikings are saying that Adrian Peterson's knee is "sprained." If Adrian Peterson's knee turns out to be "sprained," I will be more shocked than the average Maury Povich guest after hearing the words "You are not the father." There are sources that are saying that they think that Peterson tore his ACL. Quite frankly, at this point, I hope it's just his ACL and that he didn't hit the same ligament trifecta that Daunte Culpepper hit back in Carolina in 2005.

(Still working on confirmation of the rumor that, after Peterson was placed on the cart, Jabari Greer tried to grab at his leg, while a group of wandering Saints' fans shouted, "Come on, man, it's football. These things happen." If that story develops any further, we'll let you know.)

(No, that didn't really happen, but really. . .would it shock you if it had?)

Adrian Peterson's 2011 is done, ladies and gentlemen. His 2012 could very well be done. This is a potential franchise-changing injury for the Minnesota Vikings. Sure, the Vikings have a guy in Toby Gerhart that looks like he could potentially be put into a featured role, and he's done an outstanding job this season after getting off to a slow start as a rookie. . .but he's not Adrian Peterson. We'll have a lot more to talk about on this subject going forward as well. Apparently Peterson has an MRI scheduled for this evening, and as soon as we know anything, we'll try to get it up here.

On the play after Peterson was taken off of the field, Christian Ponder took a helmet-to-helmet hit that would have drawn a 15-yard penalty had said hit been absorbed by Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady, but because it was "just" Christian Ponder, who gives a damn, am I right? Ponder was on the field for one more play, and then went back to the locker room to get checked for a concussion. Earlier in the game, he took a helmet-to-helmet hit from Redskins safety Reed Doughty that was flagged, likely because it was so damn obvious that anybody would have thrown a flag on it. I'll be surprised if he plays next week against Chicago, quite frankly.

That will mean another start for Joe Webb, who looked pretty good out there this afternoon (as good as a guy that only threw five passes can look, I guess), and more fuel for the fire of the potential quarterback controversy that will, no doubt, be the biggest topic of the off-season for Vikings fans everywhere.

Also, we can't fail to mention the fact that Mistral Raymond, the Vikings' sixth-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft out of South Florida, did something that no Vikings' player had done in five hundred ninety-two minutes and thirty seconds of game time. . .he intercepted a pass. Sure, Rex Grossman missed Santana Moss by about five yards and hit Raymond right between the 4 and the 1 on his jersey. . .that doesn't always mean an interception. (Look no further than Jamarca Sanford on the first pass of the ball game, if you don't believe me.) The Vikings had gone nine games, three quarters, seven minutes and thirty seconds without an interception, a stretch of 298 pass attempts, before Raymond got the first interception of his NFL career. Congratulations to him on that.

So, the Vikings got a victory for us on Christmas Eve. Some people are going to be happy with this, some people won't be happy with this. Me, overall. . .I'm happy. But, I will close with a quote that I've used a few times over the course of this site's history.

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win, and sometimes when you win or lose, you actually tie, and sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose. Winning or losing is all one organic mechanism, from which one extracts what one needs."
-Gloria Clemente (Rosie Perez), White Men Can't Jump

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AP could have a torn ACL

He might miss a few games next year
But the good news is that it is not career threating

"Never take your eyes off of your opponent…even when you bow."

by Vikant on Dec 24, 2011 5:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

We don’t know what it is yet, it could be a variety of things. Some of those being career threatening.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 6:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

hahaha! hahaha!

Wait, you’re not serious are you?

by dsludo on Dec 24, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely not.

Your fantasy football expert since Jerry Rice's rookie year.

by Odin on Dec 24, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes,

Right after we pick Luck

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 6:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think I've ever been as down about a Vikings win as I was tonight.

Was just crushing to see AP get hurt like that. Such a wonderful player and human being. I’m hoping he comes back with a vengeance.

by Purpledork on Dec 24, 2011 6:30 PM CST reply actions  

That sucked but the loss of the draft pick sucked just as much, imho

Here’s to hoping that AP can FULLY recover and/or that the injury wasn’t as bad as we’re worried it is. GET WELL AP!!

by Wytefang on Dec 24, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, it's too late now. I wanted the top pick too, but we actually won a game.

Thanls to Joe Webb !!!

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Eugh, no.

The loss of the #1 pick is completely overshadowed by the Peterson injury. Or at least it should be.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 24, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Adrian's injury is sickening. The loss of the win also hurts...

The odds are the Colts are going to lose next week but the chance to draft Luck and/or lose the chance to select Matt Kalil is pretty significant. To me this was the worse week for the Vikings (Adrian’s injury alone would account for this) in several years.

by KevNW on Dec 25, 2011 2:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Peterson hurt his knee

Shouldn’t he have a torn MCL not ACL

by Coolio12 on Dec 24, 2011 6:43 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

HAS THERE EVER BEEN A MORE EXPENSIVE WIN??

Have a Merry Christmas everybody. Go Vikings!!!

by vking1 on Dec 24, 2011 6:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Knee ligaments

The knee contains the ACL, PCL, MCL and LCL complex plus smaller inconsequential ligaments. Best case is MCL sprain, worst case is multiple…hoping for the best christmas present ever.

Don't you know who the *^$% I am?

by Jeppernaut on Dec 24, 2011 6:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

We can win with Toby if AP has to sit out a few games next year

So who is on the Joe Webb bandwagon? He looked like Cam Newton out there today

by RaysOfHope on Dec 24, 2011 6:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Toby's serviceable.

He’s not AP but he’s no backup secondary player on the Vikings. I wouldn’t mind seeing Webb getting a shot, especially if Ponder loses any days from concussion stuff. Right now with our crappy line his athletic ability is more valuable than pinpoint accuracy from the pocket. He’d give us our best chance to beat the Bears IMO.

Once we can get a competent O-line though Ponder should have time to make more passes, something Webb isn’t as good at.

by Crosseyes on Dec 24, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

why anyone would jump on a Joe Webb bandwagon….personally I can’t hang my hat on a QB that depends on broken plays to succeed.

by mezmo55 on Dec 25, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno

he didn’t really depend on broken plays this last game. What we saw was Webb throwing from the pocket, in the face of a blitz. He certainly made the most of his 5 throws, I don’t think the defensive call was breaking down.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 25, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

And they want to hitch themselves to a winner.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Which ones were broken plays?

Just one minor note for you to consider: the Vikings all-time greatest quarterback was a specialist when it came to broken plays

"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway

by Grape Drank on Dec 25, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to assume he means the

36-yard catch. Which was a designed blitz, Webb simply recognized/beat it, and Harvin made an astouding leaping catch over a LB.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 26, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

AD's knee injury wasn't as bad as it looked

He only had to be carted off because it takes two fully functional knees to support that much greatness.

by mg7505 on Dec 24, 2011 6:52 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is something I can agree with 100%

On the play after Peterson was taken off of the field, Christian Ponder took a helmet-to-helmet hit that would have drawn a 15-yard penalty had said hit been absorbed by Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Tom Brady, but because it was “just” Christian Ponder, who gives a damn, am I right?

The NFL is joke. You cant even sneeze on Tom Brady without getting a flag

by chuckd@79 on Dec 24, 2011 7:04 PM CST reply actions  

But you can give him a cold!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Stay Positive Vikings Nation!

I agree with you Mr. Gates. There were many positive things to glean from this game. Yes, Adrian Peterson’s knee injury sucks, and we are all on pins and needles to find out the extent of the injury.

But All Is Not Lost.

Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.

by CCNorsemen on Dec 24, 2011 7:05 PM CST reply actions  

My prayers are with Adrian Peterson and Christian Ponder tonight

It could happen on any play, to any player. Yeah, sure, I know that. But it’s not very comforting. Frankly, watching the sort of hits that the Redskin D was laying on and the way they celebrated it, I’m not prepared to believe it was entirely accidental.

Neither injury is a guarranteed return at the previous level of ability. Both men played with great heart and made us proud, and the Vikes finished the game and got out of the loneliness place a Viking team could go to. Considering all team’s issues, and the injuries, the win is nothing short of a minor miracle.

I’m happy we have players on the team that are willing to play like that, right to the end.

I’m a lot less happy with Frazier.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 24, 2011 7:06 PM CST reply actions  

Same here Coolio.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well they better hes the fkn best back in the game !!!!!!!!!!!!!

by cali viking on Dec 24, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Deangelo Hall was extremely classy. Waving for the cart as soon as AD went down and patting him when he was being helped off.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Thinking back, what I saw was probably before they realized that AD was seriously injured

Not after he was still laying there and the sports medics ran out, it was immediately after he was brought down. They probably didn’t know.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 24, 2011 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikings cant do anything right

If they lose this game, they could have had a good chance at the first overall pick……. Damn it vikes, why did you have to win this game??? why!?!?!?!?!

by mattnmics on Dec 24, 2011 7:09 PM CST reply actions  

Ponder or Webb...

Whichever you prefer we’ve proved we don’t need Luck. We need O-line and pass defenders.

by Crosseyes on Dec 24, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

In my opinion...

some folks (myself included) were more interested in the possibility of getting a wealth of picks from trading down from #1 to help with re-building. Sort of a universal karma for that “one trade” in the past while sticking with our current QBs.

Personally, I’m still on the Ponder wagon and feel like a full off-season, an increase in Rudolph sightings, and some improvements to the line/receivers and he could be back on track. There’s a reason they say the fan favorite on teams is often the backup QB.

by BigSling on Dec 24, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, here's to hoping.

I never really believed we’d get that #1 pick anyway. The Vikings will always find a way to mess up any good opportunity that comes their way, anyway. LOL

SKOL and all that stuff. Yeah. Anyway….sigh.

by Wytefang on Dec 24, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, 3rd pick won't be chopped liver.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Might be a blessing in disguise

you just never know.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

True that #1 would've been valuable...

But if you’re willing to toss games based on hopefully getting a better deal then I have to fundamentally disagree with that option there.

by Crosseyes on Dec 24, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure about that. Neither Ponder nor Webb really seem to have what it will take

Maybe this next year can prove differently but I’m officially HIGHLY skeptical at this point, after everything we’ve seen and not seen from both of them. :(

Sigh. Totally agree with Matt on this one.

by Wytefang on Dec 24, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't understand how you can say neither of them have what it takes

Theyve both shown flashes of something special and have a combined 1 season of experience between the two. But yet Luck has what it takes without a single snap in the NFL…

Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.

by TroyW18 on Dec 24, 2011 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

have to agree with troy here. ponder was 8/13 when he left the game. no, not overwhelmingly good numbers, but he hadn’t turned it over and had completed over 60% of his passes. i think webb is the better qb now, but i think ponder has more upside as a qbotf….but who knows. both guys are still really young in there development cycle.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

But Luck, wow, that would have been cool.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

i would have preffered ryan leaf. my point is that we just can’t predict who is the next great thing..i mean, i hate tom brady, but he went in the 6th round….

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He went with the same pick as I did. Number 199...oooooohhhhh, freakie.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?

I really can’t understand the hype behind “suck for Luck” Why do you even bother to watch a THREE HOUR game if you don’t even want them to win?

I wanted them to win, screw the first pick we probably would mess that up anyways. There are too many awesome players on this team there is NO WAY I would want this group to go down as the worst team in Vikings history. If your gonna call yourself a fan at least cheer for your team, you talk about them like a huge rotting bag of garbage (you could probably get a job covering the Vikes for the Pioneer Press)

I watched the game with my family, and we are all Viking faithful. I think if someone had brought up losing for the first round pick there… well they probably would have been feeling like Peterson did after his injury

"You can write articles and do whatever you want, you can break down every player. Good, bad or ugly. But we just aren't good enough as a team, as a group. Offensively, defensively and special teams, from the No. 1 on the roster to the last man on the roster. We just aren't good enough. It's as simple as that." - Chad Greenway

by Grape Drank on Dec 25, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a Meaningless Win

As Mr. Gates points out:
-The 3rd win makes this season at worst, a tie with the ‘84 season. This win ensures that 2011 will not go down as the worst in Viking’s history, and that means something.
-Wins are big confidence boosters, especially for our young players like Mistral Raymond, Brandon Fusco, Joe Webb, etc
-Wins mean our coaching staff and players are heading in the right direction. For as much flack as Frazier and company has gotten, a win is a win.

There are plenty of ways this win means something to the 2011 Minnesota Vikings. Does it matter in terms of playoffs and the Super Bowl? Of course not, but we’ve been out of the race for months.

Ponder. Peterson. Percy. Purple Perfection.

by CCNorsemen on Dec 24, 2011 8:04 PM CST reply actions  

I love wins...

Hopefully this teeny win in a big season of suck won’t prevent massive changes in our coaching staff next year

by liveforadrenaline on Dec 24, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thst's the real downside of a late season loss. I don't want Frazier back just because

we eeked one or two games out at the end of the season against krappy competition. I want a real deal hard nosed football guy to run the show as a GM and handpick his own head coach.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Harbaugh has impressed me as a coach

He’s a fired up dude – would like to see more of that. It trickles down to the players.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Harbaugh took Singletary's team and turned them into winners with no off season.

I sure hope the vikings don’r promote Singletary to D-coordinator.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Got that straight!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Pyrrhic Victory

Not meaningless at all… it just made things worse for the TEAM.

Better for Frazier, he’s not the absolute crappiest coach in the Vikings history, all by himself, now. Now he shares the basement with Les Steckel. The two worst coaches in Viking history, unless he can pull out 1 more win.

Wins are confidence boosters, but when you’re 2-12, getting to 3-12 by beating one of the other worst teams in the NFL and screwing over the future of the franchise for 1 more meaningless win after all hope is gone, makes no sense. I have less confidence than ever in Frazier.

I don’t blame the players. It’s their job to say, “Coach, put me in cold, I’m ready to play!” That’s what they get paid the big bucks for, and to play their best.

It’s the coach’s job to say, “No, Adrian, you’re not 100% healed up and this isn’t a must-win game, so ride the pine and rest up.” Or maybe, “Ok Adrian, you got half a game in, that’s enough.” Or maybe, “Starters are only going to play the 1st quarter, and after that, 2nd string is going taking over, let’s get our backups some more playing time and let them develop so we can see who we keep and who goes.” Think strategically, not short term.

Instead, we have an inexperienced HC who pushed a team that had little to gain and and cost the team their starting QB with a concussion, the best RB in the NFL out with a major injury that may well take a year to or more to fully recover from, and a guaranteed lower draft pick that places the long-term future of the team into jeopardy. Fire Frazier? In an earlier day and age, the owner would probably deck him first.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 24, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yea and

someone needs to tell Fusco he doesn’t play for the Raiders.

by mezmo55 on Dec 25, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Word just came in Via ESPN

AD has an ACL tear. This is horrible news.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 8:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Terrible but...

If it is “just” an ACL tear, it’s not as bad as Culpepper tearing the ACL, MCL, & PCL so hopefully is not career-ending. With Toby showing reasons for optimism, here’s hoping he’d be ready for a lighter load early next season. Just trying to find whatever silver lining I can.

by BigSling on Dec 24, 2011 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh no,

It’s nowhere near career ending, but every injury slows a guy.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 8:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So we agree...

But with eight months of relaxation, he will be alright. We may see it on his cuts also, but he won’t turn into Chris “no, please don’t touch me” Johnson.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't count on 8 months making everything all better.

It may take longer, and nobody knows how bad the injury really is or how successful the surgery will be or how well Adrian will respond to the surgery and rehab. Gotta just wait and see and not put forth ridiculously assertions based on hope and presented as a matter of fact. This is the real world.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

oops, typos.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

so far espn.com hasn’t had anything, neither has nfl.com or foxsports.com or cbssports.com. did you see on tv?

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I have the same question RedHat does?

Where did you see this report? I have not seen it on any website nor did I see it on ESPN.

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN2

has on game highlights and whatnot, I heard it there. Most likely coming from Adam Schefter.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol

AD has an ACL tear and will miss one game, he’ll start opening day. Ponder has a concussion, and he’ll miss one game and start opening day. Lastly, we’re not out of the running for Kahlil or Martin, so what’s the big deal? It’s not as terrible as you make it sound.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 8:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

again..

please see my point about how much we could have traded the top overall pick for, and the fact, that even if it is only an ACL, Peterson will likely never be the same.

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually acknowledged it further above.

Yes, most likely he will lose a small step or his cutting ability won’t be the same for a while, but he’s still Adrian Peterson and this injury won’t kill his career. He’ll continue to be productive.

As for draft position, I do agree that it’s a shame we won’t be able to trade down and get more picks, but I’d say it’s 50/50 on the Rams selecting Kahlil, and the Rams could win another game still.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Gotta wait and see. We don't even know exactly what the damage is.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to make a politically correct statement

but if anyone can come back it’s AP.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he is done.

"This town, this night, this crowd
Come on put them up, let me hear it loud"

by Stay classy, Joe. on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No..

I don’t think Peterson is going to be starting opening day at all. It usually takes 9 months for an ACL tear to heal. But both? That’s.. asking alot to be an opening-day starter. We may not see Peterson for about half the season next year.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 24, 2011 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

What happened today.......

could be the game we point to down the road as the game that shaped this team for years to come as a starting point, for what I believe, will be great success. What do I mean? Glad you asked. I believe this team grew up today, and in heavy doses. A 2-12 team, playing for pride and future employment in many cases, was staring squarely into the abyss when, in a close road game, one of, if not their best player went down with a potential career ending injury. Then, their young starting QB goes out of the game. Adversity is guaranteed to have an impact, either positive or negative. What happened? This team closed ranks, came together and ran away with a relatively easy win at the end. Yes, it was against the Redskins, but, frankly, I believe they would have done the same thing against any of this year’s top teams under the same circumstances.
AP has a tough road ahead. If nothing else, he will remain an inspirational teammate until he is ready to return. Toby Gerhart stepped up today and proved that he is ready to carry the load out of the backfield. The young man attacks holes fearlessly. He may not have APs moves and quickness, but he is no slouch. AP is the Lamborghini, Toby is the 1969 Pontiac GTO, 4 speed. Once he gets traction and gets it into third gear, get out of the way.
Joe Webb cannot be ignored as a force in this league. He may not have the traditional QB pedigree with a Big Ten, Pac Ten or SEC background. His biggest mistake? Attending UAB, which gets about as much national airtime as my local weather report. I, for one, could care less. If you can play, you can play, period. He can play the game. Will he be the new number one? Maybe. I have said for a long time that he earned the right to compete for the top spot after last season. The same holds true for next season. What is apparent is that his teammates respond to his presence in the lineup. Hindsight being what it is, the biggest mistake this team made was bringing in McNabb as some sort of bridge to the future. Well, you know the rest. IMHO, all it did was set both Ponder and Webb back a bit in their growth. I don’t think he helped them a bit. The QB position should be declared open after this season, with both Ponder and Webb the ONLY candidates for the job.
Percy Harvin has played nearly a full season without the headache issue being a factor. Not going to speculate on why at this time. He is very much like Webb, the natural talent ready to take off. He will be a starting All Pro very soon.
If anything, today should have gone a long way to crystalize for the front office, such as it is, where exactly, this team has needs. We know what they are.

This team rallied today everyone. They could easily have packed it in. They didn’t It is something that you just can’t measure on paper. Sometimes that spirit can take you places no one believed possible. Just ask the guys from the 1980 USA Men’s Olympic Hockey team. Anyone think they had more talent than Sweden or the USSR? Didn’t think so.

Merry Christmas All!!

by Mel Allen on Dec 24, 2011 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

fair statements...

but they don’t deter me from my primary stance that the front office and coaching staff are inadequate. In addition, I am not nearly as sold on Toby as you are. In fact, there is no way the guy is a #1 running back in my opinion. Today was an aberration as he has not demonstrated #1 ability to date. Moreover, as I stated previously, AP will almost assuredly never be the same. Thus, I can do without the “moral victory” we obtained today, particularly as the Vikings (not to say they would have got it) could have potentially traded the top overall pick for 4 #1s and 2 #2s which would have rapidly expedited their development. Lastly, this year was garbage for quarterback development as far as I’m concerned. We have no answers, good or bad, in this regard and that is a BIG problem.

Merry Christmas to you as well…

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

i have to say, i half agree with ya bsg. i disagree with your assessment of toby. he will never be ap, but we don’t need him to be ap. he has talent. he will be a valuable runner for us. he has averaged 4.9 ypc this season….much different type of runner then The Best Running Back In The League, but still a good runner nonetheless. I have to agree with you about the number 1 pick though. I feel a team should NEVER try and tank to get a better draft position, but i am sad we won’t have that #1 pick. forget luck….if schefter is to be believed, we could have rebuilt our team from this one draft. alas, that won’t happen, so we will see what the future holds for us.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I see what you are saying...

but Toby does not have the lateral mobility, quickness, etc., to be a #1 running back. With that said his ypc average of 4.9 certainly is higher than what I thought it was, and it belies what I see with my eyes when I watch him.

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions  

i hear ya. if you take away his 67 yd run today he had 10 for 43 i think, still over 4 ypc. i agree with the lateral mobility and quickness, he doesn’t have it like ap. i do think that he can still be a #1 running back in this league. there are sucessful running backs who are big boys running thru the line. time will tell though

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

John Riggens comes to mind

different era but still.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

abba..

the Redskins had one of the best offensive lines in history which allowed Riggins to become a HOF running back.

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Riggins, good comparison.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

he isn’t doin too bad with a shitty one :) he’s just a different runner. we will see how it goes.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Lateral quickness and mobility....hmmm

which RB is currently injured….hmmm let me think…The Lambourgini is in the shop and the GTO is still running pretty well.

by mezmo55 on Dec 25, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Today is not the day for Gerhart haters

11 carries for 109 yards is ridiculous, but he’s been solid all season. He looks like he did in college again, not like he did last year.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

It's "Just" an ACL tear.

I love how everyone is saying that it’s “Just” an ACL tear! Hoping against hope that it’s just a sprained because if it’s an ACL tear than we will never see the same AP we’ve all been used to seeing. Remember that he got a $90 million dollar extension and he will never be the same back again. The worst I’ve ever felt as a Vikings fan is today. We won a meaningless game that hurt us as far as building for the future and we potentially lost AP. Frazier sucks and the entire roster save maybe 6 players needs a complete rebuild. I truly feel sick!

by FLSKOLMAN on Dec 24, 2011 9:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Somehow, we're looking better without AD

maybe it’s just the insanity of this season. But our OLine faces 8+ man fronts when AD is in, which makes life a lot harder for our QB as well. I think the “run opening up the pass” only works in theory — the extra pressure on our bad OLine and poor receiving corps is too much to overcome. Of course the solution to this is better playcalling so we can actually use the best RB in the league.

by mg7505 on Dec 24, 2011 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

we would be fine if we had better pass protection. they want to have 8 man fronts, go for it. we have better oline play, boom, play action, play action, PLAY ACTION. unfortunately, our oline is a joke at pass protection.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's Be Realistic Here

I’m not in the mood for another QB controversy, so if I were the Vikings organization I’d take care of it now. I like Ponder more, but Webb has been just as impressive (when they do impress) so you keep Webb. Webb and Harvin also seem to have very good chemistry. I’m sure you could probably trade Ponder for more as well, so we trade Ponder. If there’s anything we know as Vikings fans, it’s a QB controversy keeps your team in limbo, and that is something we don’t need. I also think we need to trade Peterson for as much as we can get. This team is going nowhere fast, and as sad as it is, our star is breaking down. I think it would be the best thing for him and our organization to move on. We need more talent at every position, which we could get if we traded him, and he needs to win a Super Bowl with a line that can block for him; he’s not going to find either of these anytime soon in Minnesota. A year ago I would have said my idea was crazy, but the fact of the matter is this is probably the best decision for A.P. and the Vikings. We are going down, not up; it’s time to rebuild. I don’t want to see another great player (aka Cris Carter) go ringless on our team because we don’t make the best decision for both sides. The Vikings need to improve A.P.‘s future by trading him and improve theirs at the same time. It’s time to be realistic, we need to start thinking about the future.

by Vikings55Thunder on Dec 24, 2011 9:17 PM CST reply actions  

well, at this point ap has just about 0 trade value. teams are gonna want to wait and see how he recovers. and at that point, why not keep him, he is recovered and the face of our franchise..

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Your trading AP idea is about 10 hours too late.

Like RedHat is saying, he has no trade value right now.

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL this is laughable

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

**Not saying we should trade him

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Not laughable at all.

If your ultimate goal is to win a super bowl then you shouldn’t be laughing at all. If you want to remain about an average/maybe playoff team every year that’s fine with me, but I’ve been a part of that fan base my whole life, and we aren’t going anywhere. It’s time for the Vikings to improve their decision making, so they don’t stay in limbo. Go ask the Bill’s about what happens when you run an organization with the same problems every year. No improvement. A.P. is the man, but his time in Minnesota would only be hurting our team, and his career. He belongs on a team that’s contending every year. Quick reminder: RB’s have a very short career compared to other positions in the league. What do you think 3-5 good years left for A.P.? Maybe? Our Vikes had their chance with A.P. and they fell short; it’s time for both sides to move on before we both become each others dead weight. As soon as he’s healthy we should trade him, but now from reading below (Torn MCL and ACL) it looks like we might both have to be each others dead weight. Shoot. No trade possibility anymore. We are stuck; I just hope we don’t turn into the Bills.

by Vikings55Thunder on Dec 24, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree on trading AP

and the fact that you say this team is going down not up. It really can’t get worse then this season. A win today tells me that our team will never quit no matter what and that’s an actual good sign that they will improve next season and for seasons to come. But as for Ponder and Webb, we still should keep both. Who should start? ehh i don’t know, I’m starting to lean towards Webb even though i support Ponder, but the backup QB position is very important. And I want AD to retire as a Viking with a ring from the Vikings. Keep him, build around him and Webb or Ponder, get us an O-Line and Secondary, and we’re back in business in two or three years. Peterson hopefully can last that long.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a big-time rec!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 25, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions  

damn, that looks awesome.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Where are all the palm trees in that picture?

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You got the winter pic cowbell?

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

http://nflvikings.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/summer.jpg

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol

now I do.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

infinity Rec'd

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear people say that they want to see a defense gameplan for

Webb, but would the same thing apply for Webb? Should we also want to see how he gameplans for a defense with our starters?

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

He’ll get the start next week and a full off-season to impress our coaches. I guess we’ll see what happens…

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

When he rolls out in the Red Zone

the linebackers are confused whether to come at him or drop back in coverage at times.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It's truly sad

How unlucky us Viking fans are. How ironic is it that we lose 2 of our most important players in a meaningless win, especially after these past 2 years of being tormented to no end? Just when I think it absolutely cannot get any worse, the football gods conspire against us once again.

What came out of this win? Ponder concussed, Peterson BADLY hurt, and dropped draft position. The negatives far outweigh the positives here. I’m sorry to be so cynical, I really am. My god, when are we going to catch break?

by christian220896 on Dec 24, 2011 9:33 PM CST reply actions  

LOL!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

And North Stars fan.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

See the green square above

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So a lost

with Ponder and Peterson injuries still occurring would have been even better? I just don’t get it. It’s football.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Ponder and Peterson shouldn't been in the game after the 1st half

That was the coach’s call to make. He should have been playing to see which of our backups would be kept next year, developing new guys and building for the future.

Yeah, it’s all easy to say in retrospect…. right now I’m just furious. Just furious.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 24, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions  

But Frazier wouldn't do that. I think he needed a victory more than anything to save his job.

That’s why I think he would keep Adrian in there, and he hitched himself to Ponder and needs to see some positive return for that draft choice. You could see in his post game presser how relieved he was that he got a victory. That was the first thing he expressed, and not so much concern for Ponder of Adrian. It was funny to see him act like that. It was the most emotion I have seen from him all year, at it was for his own benefit, or so it seemed. He seemed genuinely surprised that the team won.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

That's my point

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 25, 2011 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your point - every play you roll the dice against injury.

AP was in the game with the goal of reaching 1000 yards for the season and becoming the all-time Viking rushing leader, plus it’s his nature to want to be there if he can. I will never complain about a Vikings win – draft pick be damned. This team does not deserve comparison to the 1984 Les Steckel quitters. I hope they beat the snot out of the Chicago Bears and go into the off-season with some good vibes.

Even if we finish 4-12 we could still wind up with a great draft pick like DeCosta or Martin.

by Caretaker QB on Dec 25, 2011 1:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Per Pelissero
TomPelissero
Per an NFL source, an MRI has confirmed #Vikings RB Adrian Peterson has a torn ACL and MCL.

Not fucking good.

by Murgo on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

Thought they was doing a MRI tomorrow?

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

nah the mri was for 2nite. this is unfortunate.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Damn.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

AND MCL!!

DAMN YOU GOD!!!

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

No disrespect

but can we leave God out of this especially with you saying damn him?

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

That's nothing to joke about. Sorry

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Tim Tebow is going to punish him now.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

What these guys said

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

bsg u chill and leave god out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by cali viking on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't even say it Cali..

what the hell are you talking about.

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Brother got my back :)

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

whatever your beliefs, you can’t expect people to pander to your views. don’t take offense to that, but say i was muslim or something, i really wouldn’t expect someone on an internet forum to adhere to my beliefs ya know?

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, this is not the time or place to be having an religious battle. Didn’t you see the post about the racist incident after the game? It’s an expression, let’s just end this.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well just like people get offended off of

racism, even if it’s “just” an expression, I feel the same way with this situation. I politely asked you so I don’t see what I did wrong. Ok?

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

society accepts people who are religious and who aren’t religious. society doesn’t (or shouldn’t) accept people who are racist. because of that, i see a flaw in your arguement. i’m not trying to start a fight here…just how i saw it is all. feel free to disagree, i won’t be offeneded :)

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Or instead of debating this we could

drop and get back on topic :)

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

he misunderstood bsg

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

come on ppl….no one is disrespecting god, whatever your personal beliefs are it is just an expression :/

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, he didn't specify WHICH god. So it's a little vague.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Only one God

can have the Capital G. That’s what he put.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

with respect unbanned, all religions have their own god. lets just be tolerant of everyones views, even if we disagree

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

And some religions have multiple Gods.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

It's ok I'm good

and not trying to get the staff involved so I’ll drop it.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Uh-oh...

Now you’re telling a god what it can and cannot do. Uppity mortal!

This is grounds for a metaphysical cage match. Does a big G make your god better than all the others? Better than the Spaghetti Monster? He get’s a capital S and M! And we’ve all seen how bad-ass Cthulhu is, He’s got a cheap B movie and three Southpark episodes!

Of course, this tangent is pretty off topic.

by jimbo55403 on Dec 24, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Game thread race,

this thread religion,
should I start up a political one? :P

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

ok ease up fellas I just didnt people to jump down UBV s throat no biggie he is my litle bro thats all its done :)

by cali viking on Dec 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

That would make quite a holy trinity (religion, race, politics).

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I vote for Ronald!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

let’s not start a holy war here…its just an expression…

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

yup..

that makes sense.. please see my post above. F***.. As a doctor this is precisely what I was worried about.. the classic triad injury (medial meniscus, MCL and ACL). I would not be surprised to hear his medial meniscus is damaged as well. DAMN IT!!!

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Some "good" news again per Pelissero
One piece of good news: Peterson did not tear the PCL. That’ll speed up the “prehab” process and get him into surgery sooner.

If you want to call it good news.

by Murgo on Dec 24, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It's possible he takes next season off.

We’ll just have to adjust and pick up a free agent or what’s dude’s name on the practice squad?

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Or let the ridicoulous

Trent Richardson talks start

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Vikings always try to keep things interesting

you have to give them that.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

i figure he will be back at the worst this time next year….so he may as well take the year off, we aren’t gonna be contenders most likely, and i don’t need to see a cedric griffen repeat.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This is so upsetting

Not for me as a fan, but for him. You could see it in his face.

by Murgo on Dec 24, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

That yes

But I’m referring to him on the bench. His face showed he how upset he was and he knew how serious it was.

by Murgo on Dec 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

ya that was pretty damn distressing…

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I can only imagine how horrifying it must be for him..

I have lifted weights for the last 20 years… I was at 220 pounds at 6’0" with around 8% body fat. 6 weeks ago I suffered a C6 disk herniation with associated moderate spinal cord compression that manifest as weakness in my right pec, deltoid, hand, etc., and excrutiating pain. In 20 years I did not go a week without working out. My bench press was up to 400 pounds. Two weeks after my injury I tried to bench and could barely lift 135 pounds. I have now been out of the gym for 4 weeks rehabbing the injury. Fortunately, my weakness has improved and I will likely be able to start lifting relatively heavy soon. However, I can tell you I was miserable the last six weeks and was incredibly freaked out 4 weeks ago when I could barely lift 135. Amazingly, despite all I have in my life, I have found my self esteem is somewhat based on my ability to workout and I was truly depressed. Now.. multiply what I was feeling by a million and that is probably what AP is thinking. Football is his livelihood and he is now dealing with this terrible injury. I feel very badly for the guy. He is my favorite player of all time, not just because of his talent and because he plays for the Vikings, but because he is a great guy. This sucks..

by bsg007 on Dec 24, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Good points

He’s a millionaire and will move on, as all athletes do in one form or another, but his entire self worth is tied to being a football player right now.

by Murgo on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That $36 million guaranteed he got a few months ago will lessen the blow.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

When will Chilly be off the books?

Any idea?

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd like to see what Caleb King can do.

Sometimes watching Booker run looks odd – like he’s got short legs or something. Speedy, but – 14-inch wheels.

by Caretaker QB on Dec 25, 2011 1:54 AM CST up reply actions  

He'll get the old 2 for 1 deal on the surgery then.

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You don't spit into the wind
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by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless we get him an O-Line

then he could come back with a fire and desire to prove he’s still great. But this time behind a good line.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

AP

has taught me to never doubt him and expect the unexpected. So i’ll still believe in him to be great or even better when he comes back.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, I sent you an email.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok about to check it now

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

gentleman, we can rebuild him, we have the technology.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Can we fix him?

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Nothing a little Duct Tape can't handle.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i agree with ubv…a good line would at least prevent him from being bottled up in the backfield, and hopefully prevent those injuries to ponder…

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't even bring myself to read it right now.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

can’t say i blame ya.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Argh

The people’s champ is retiring, AP and Ponder are injured, Joe Webb is looking good and was selected in the same spot as Tom Brady, we’re in rebuilding mode, we still don’t have a stadium, the Vikings are a new and upcoming soap Opera!!

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

or a new and upcoming horror flick :/

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That’s the worst rec I’ve ever given

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Chilly started all this mess!

At least he’s the funnest one to blame.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

and the easiest. lol

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

that’s why I’m still waiting to have an opinion on Fraizer. He was handed a mess and didn’t even get an off season.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Look what Jim Harbaugh did with the team that Singletary left him.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean the one with a decent O-Line

receivers a top TE and good Defense?

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh and Frank Gore

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm just wondering why they sucked so bad for Singletary.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The same reasons our Linebaking

corp are underachieving under him. I’m starting to think it Is more on the coaches.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Don’t forget, Greenway has never been good on screens or coverage and our best covering LB through FA. But I still somewhat agree, my purple brother : )

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

That's Al Gore's brother you know!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Well,

what’s a good RB replacement for a year if it comes to that? Draft? FA? Caleb King possibly? He looked good in preseason in his brief attempts.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

i would assume just bump everyone one up…maybe draft a late round rb as well.

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Booker -

I don’t know about him .

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i don’t either…thats just what i’m guessing they’ll do. maybe the cut booker, sign king from the PS and draft a late round running back. like i said, who knows at this point :/

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, I forgot about King. Webb lnows how to hand off to him, alright.

well then who the hell are you talkin' to...are you talkin' to me?

by krinkle on Dec 24, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

lol true. although, who knows…king looked great playing against 3rd and 4th stringers. who knows what he’ll be like against a real D

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess we'll have plenty of time to discuss it anyway.

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

If anyone can come back from this, it’s AP. Is it too late to nominate him 2012 Comeback Player of the Year?

Now maybe the Vikings can move toward being more pass-oriented, much like the rest of the league is now.

by christian220896 on Dec 24, 2011 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

we need a proven qb and wrs for that. oh, and an online that can actually pass block..

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

This probably will be the most talked about

offseason in Vikings history. A whole bunch of stories to follow. It’s kind of exciting. But we do need to make up our mind on Webb or Ponder because apparently The Vikings will take a “real hard look” at starting Joe Webb.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

Jeepers!

They got that up fast!

Build up your weaknesses until they become your strong points." --Knute Rockne

by abba7 on Dec 24, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I smell a QB controversy getting more steam

When the head coach starts talking about “taking a look” then that only means that they are second guessing themselves. Well either way, I want to win and Webb is slowly pulling me off the Ponder bandwagon.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Webb could be our Newton if given the chance.

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You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

That's some high praise

Let’s see him for an extended period of time first. He’s had a good couple games recently, but Newton been pretty consistent all year.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 25, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

the backup qb is always the most popular player on a losing team. but who knows what we’ll see from both players coming out of the offseason, a full offseason ya know

by RedHat16 on Dec 24, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Ponder is technically the back-up

on our losing team. All credit to Ponder for doing what he’s done, but.. Joe Webb has been pretty good when we’ve given him some time to play this year. Only 5 throws this time, but they were all huge plays.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 24, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah Webb and Harvin have

chemistry and you can tell because Harvin seems to always have big games when Webb is QB

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Percy has been have having big games period

hes had a touchdown in almost every game going down the strech

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by Vikant on Dec 24, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm talking about even dating back to last season

Percy has had big games with Webb. That’s fact.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Doesn't that just warm the cockles of the heart...

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Dec 24, 2011 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah..

Not gonna lie, these last few games have kind of had me wondering if the Vikes made a mistake selecting Ponder. Webb is looking good. That Rudolph TD was on the money.

The throws to Harvin took some phenomenal adjustments by the WR to catch, but it happened. Of course, we all saw Joe have a big game against Philly and then not so good in the season finale against the Lions. So we’ll have to see how he does against the Bears too.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 24, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Would anyone like to snag

Jarius Wright or Joe Adams from Arkansas in the mid rounds? Eh, I’m an Arkansas fan so my opinion is bias on this.

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Dec 24, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe,

but we already have a small speedster in Harvin, I think we need a tall, fast ball hog in the fourth.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, Packer fans will call us crybabies and we will be forced to kick their tooth in. I really don't want to go to jail (again).

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Dec 24, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

A few thoughts

First: poor AD. Cruel end to a heartbreaking season.

Second: Like others have said, I’ll never root for my team to quit. But I will root for my team to try, and fail. I’m happy for whatever morale lift the team gets from this victory, and I would always expect them to give 100%. But by winning, they cost us a chance for a true franchise quarterback, the kind the Vikings haven’t had in decades. I’ve watched every Stanford game for the last two years. Luck honestly isn’t hyped enough.

Someone else said it best: even when we win, we lose.

"Sports don't build character, they reveal it."

by Leland's Axe on Dec 24, 2011 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

Here
Second: Like others have said, I’ll never root for my team to quit. But I will root for my team to try, and fail. I’m happy for whatever morale lift the team gets from this victory, and I would always expect them to give 100%. But by winning, they cost us a chance for a true franchise quarterback, the kind the Vikings haven’t had in decades ever. I’ve watched every Stanford game for the last two years. Luck honestly isn’t hyped enough.

Like I said in the AD injury thread, December 24, 2011 will certainly go down as one of the worst days in Vikings history.

Jason Giambi for player-manager in 2012!
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by free7694 on Dec 24, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

You obviously missed the 4 super bowls and that Herchel Walker trade.

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You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, I love my team and all, and it feels weird to want them to lose, but I couldn’t believe how stupid must they be to be TRYING to knock themselves out of contention for Luck. I love AP and all, but this team almost deserves to lose the guy after such foolishness. The rest of you can berate me and suggest we always try to win, but the truth is this: we have no Super Bowls and are currently one of the worst franchises in the NFL. In an attempt to change this, we need to stop thinking about winning games right now. The alternative is thinking about winning championships tomorrow, which seems a whole lot more appealing.

by Go_Vikes_Go on Dec 24, 2011 11:24 PM CST reply actions  

Wow. Really?

You think the players give a flying fuck about Andrew Luck? They’re trying to earn their contracts, not pander to ‘fans’ who are praying they roll over just so their team can be the worst in the NFL and draft some already-annoited QB who has yet to even prove anything on a professional level.

Pardon my language, but the last thing I want to see after one of the most iconic figures of my favorite sports team goes down with a gruesome injury is a ‘fan’ saying they “almost deserve” to have their player’s knee torn to shreds. Shame on you. Absolutely ridiculous. As if there weren’t any reason to play this season except to have the chance to draft Andrew ‘Hall of Famer’ Luck.

Luck-mania has people fucking crazy.

by REVENGE4KLUWE on Dec 24, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Um, that's "8-time Super Bowl MVP and Hall of Famer, Sir Andrew Luck".

Let’s not short change the kid, he’s the most awesomest ever. Even better than Webb.

You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask of the Spiderman
And you don't trash talk about him

by REVENGE4WEBB on Dec 25, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

“Let’s not short change the kid, he’s the most awesomest ever. Even better than Webb.”

Ha That’s high praise coming from you!

Billick: "What did McNabb do to deserve being benched?"
Answer: He upset PETA by killing every worm he came across on a football field.

by TroyW18 on Dec 26, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

Roberto Duran!

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by abba7 on Dec 25, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

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