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Rookie quarterback Joe Webb went 1-1 as a starter for the Vikings at the end of  2010 season.

 

Sid Hartman: Vikings know Webb will be a factor

The team will look either through the draft or free agency for a QB, but Joe Webb showed some ability under center.

While it is certain that Brett Favrewon't be back next season and it's unclear whether Tarvaris Jackson will return to the Vikings, new coach Leslie Frazier said the team is going to take a good look atJoe Webb and believes the 2010 sixth-round pick has a bright future.

"You know, the fact that Joe has only had a short window to get some work in, it's a little bit tougher to gauge," Frazier said. "We've got about 2 1/2 games of actual game film to look at and determine, and even in practice, because when Joe was with us in practice, everything was just off the scout team getting ready for the next opponent."

If nothing else, Webb certainly opened some eyes by helping the Vikings win the Week 16 snow-delayed game at Philadelphia, when he threw for 195 yards and ran for 31 more in a 24-14 victory over the NFC East champions on Dec. 28 in his first start at quarterback.

Frazier said he realizes Webb doesn't have the résumé that other young quarterbacks such as Tampa Bay's Josh Freeman were able to develop over the course of a rookie year. But Frazier said Webb, originally ticketed to be a wide receiver after the Vikings drafted him out of Alabama-Birmingham, showed the Vikings that he has some ability to play under center in the NFL.

"Is that enough to put us in the hunt next season?" Frazier said. "That's what we've got to determine."

Of course, there is a lot of speculation that the Vikings will draft a quarterback in April.

"There's a very good chance of [drafting a QB]," Frazier said. "That's the No. 1 position that we're really honing in on, and it's a matter of whether we're going to draft one or whether we try to sign a potential free-agent quarterback. But we're trying to determine that right now."

Frazier, who attended the Senior Bowl with other coaches, said there were some gifted players in the Jan. 29 game in Mobile, Ala.

"There were some good players down there, again this year, probably as good as I've seen in the years that I've gone down there, at all positions, whether it be running back or quarterback or wide receiver, there was a lot of talent," Frazier said. "So what we've got to do now as a staff, and what we've been doing since we got back from the Senior Bowl, is going back and looking at tape from those college players so that we can become familiar with them before we go to the combine. That was really our coaching staff's first chance to watch the college seniors. Our scouts were very familiar with them, but our coaches weren't, so now we get a chance to watch some tape and learn a little bit more about them."


 

 

From my take on that story, Frazier wants to at least Draft a QB, while determining which position, or role will best fit Webb and our team.

 

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Joe Webb wants a chance to compete for starting QB job with Vikings Vikings QB wants chance to contend for No. 1 position By Jeremy Fowler 
jfowler@pioneerpress.com Updated: 02/12/2011 12:16:38 AM CST
Joe Webb scrambles as he looks to pass in the second half as the Minnesota Vikings play the Chicago Bears at TCF Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, Minn., on Monday, December 20, 2010. Chicago won 40-14.

Joe Webb has heard the talk about the Vikings' need for a franchise quarterback — from inside and outside his own team.

He's not keeping count of who does or doesn't include him in that conversation, instead preparing to win the starting job in 2011 regardless of who shows up for training camp.

The Vikings have the 12th pick in April's NFL draft and could select a quarterback while securing a veteran to serve as a stopgap option.

"They might have quite a few quarterbacks at camp," Webb said Friday. "I'll just be doing what I've done all my life, competing for a job. Some people think the team should draft a quarterback in the first round or get someone else or keep me. I can't control any of that. I just know that whenever I do get on the field, I'm well prepared for the opportunity."

Webb showed promise while quarterbacking the Vikings for most of the last three games, including starts against Philadelphia and Detroit. He completed 60.7 percent of his passes for 477 yards and no touchdowns, with three interceptions, two rushing touchdowns and an impressive 24-14 win over the Eagles.

Webb is still considered raw as a pocket passer after the Vikings selected him in the sixth round of the 2010 draft as a wide receiver out of Alabama-Birmingham.

But the Vikings have not forgotten about his potential. Webb said he had a recent phone conversation with new offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave.

Webb said Musgrave did not delve into schematic details, but his understanding is the new offense is expected to have West Coast principles, which Webb learned under former coordinator Darrell Bevell.

"He said he's looking forward to working with me," Webb said. "I heard he's a great coach, the things he did with Matt Ryan and the Falcons to help develop him into a great quarterback."

Looking back on his two starts, Webb said he's eager to improve his pocket presence after studying Ryan, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning and their "subtle

Vikings quarterback Joe Webb on the sidelines as the Minnesota Vikings played the Detroit Lions at Ford Field in Detroit, Mich., on January 2, 2011.Vikings lost 20-13. (Pioneer Press: Ben Garvin) (Ben Garvin) movements while keeping their eyes downfield and keeping patience."

The looming NFL lockout could hinder or benefit a player such as Webb, who hasn't had an entire offseason to master a playbook. A lockout also could hinder a newly drafted quarterback, which could be an advantage for Webb.

Webb hopes to get a playbook from Musgrave before the collective bargaining agreement expires March 4.

"Hopefully, they can do that just to give us a head start if we can't go through OTAs (organized team activities), just to get mental reps, just being able to look over again," Webb said.

Poll
What position do you see Webb excelling at the most?
QB Includes(Starter and Backup Roles)
145 votes
WR
36 votes
KR and/or PR
3 votes
QB (Wildcat Formation)
21 votes

205 votes | Poll has closed

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it'd be funny if...

…all this QB talk was a diversion and Musgrave sees mad potential in Webb, and we draft someone like Stanzi late instead of going for a QB early.

the thing i like about Webb is he wants to be a pocket passer. he has that drive, but it blinded him at times during those starts when he should have run…it seemed like he was trying too hard to silence his critics and it ended up hurting him in the end. i dunno if Webb will work out at QB, but i think he deserves a shot. if he locks down a pass-first mentality but recognizes when to take off and run, he good be a solid game-managing QB.

the way i see it, though, if we draft a QB at #12, a “competition” at TC will be purely for show. even if Webb outplayed the newly drafted QB, there’s too much pressure not to start your 1st rd pick.

interesting times are coming, for sure.

by rj-b on Feb 13, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions  

I rememeber the exact play..

The across-the-body throw that was picked off in the Lions game:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/minnesota-vikings/09000d5d81d62e38/Lions-defense-INT

He had a good ten yards open in front of him, yet tried to make the pass. I like that he keeps his eyes down field the whole time, and as he becomes more comfortable and not trying to prove something, I am sure he would run in that situation 9 times out of 10.

The draft should tell us all we need to know, and hopefully we have a veteran backup incase we need him.

by Bjorno on Feb 13, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm fully...

onboard with this idea. I liked the glimpses Webb showed last year, and if he can straighten his head out a bit and remember that he has legs at least 1/3 of the time and run instead of making a bad throw or taking a sack it would make him better. I also am a big Stanzi fan and could see him develop into a good QB in the NFL. Sure it leaves you thin as your likely 2 would be a comp between Stanzi and Bomar, but that is some serious potential at the QB position by any of those 3 guys.

by SouthSotaPop on Feb 15, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm surprised...

how many people want to see Joe Webb at WR. What, exactly, has he done in the NFL to show us that he’d be better at WR than QB?

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 13, 2011 1:30 PM CST reply actions  

I didn't vote in this poll.

but Webb’s overall build could make a great WR.
I’m guessing those who voted WR are the one who think Webb isn’t the QBOTF, but they definitely want to see him on the field.

Webb’s overall build could make for a great WR.
Tall,
Real fast 40 time,
large hands,
and can jump really really high.

I wanted Webb to play WR at the beginning of the season, when we were in dire straights for a WR…but I’m guessing there’s a reason they didn’t move him…maybe he cant catch?

Even if he can’t catch, he can’t be any worse than BB…lol.

by chaosg on Feb 13, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

His pros for WR seem about the same as his pros for QB- essentially, he has theoretically what it takes. The only difference is we’ve seen flashes of a good QB… but nothing at all regarding WR. Hell, he could absolutely suck at that.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 13, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I won’t be surprised if they try Webb at QB again, they really have no other choice.
I don’t know if he’ll start exactly, but I think he’ll be in the QB line up.

by chaosg on Feb 14, 2011 1:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I won’t be surprised if they try Webb at QB again, they really have no other choice.

Viking Choices other than Webb:
Draft a QB
Hire a FA QB
Play Ramsey at QB
Play Bomar at QB
Play AJ Archer at QB.
Resign T-Jack and play him at QB
Play Webb at QB.

Webb is simply one component to the QB equation. He should compete at QB ,if and only if, the coaching staff sees potential for him to be our future starting QB. Otherwise, they should find out if he will be able to contribute to our future at other positions. He was drafted to contribute at WR. To not let him prove he can help the team at WR, when an adequate QB back-up is in place, makes no sense. It does make sense to continue his QB progress if they evaluate him as a potential starter.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 7:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he'll stay in the QB role

Like one of the articles above says, He hasn’t even played much QB in the last 4-5 years. He was only a QB for about a season and a half in college and only a couple of game in the NFL. That’s not a large sample to understand if a guy can be the QBOTF. I think the reason why he’ll stay at QB is because he’s probably improving and overall, he’s not doing that bad(for a rookie drafted 199 as a WR) Think hard about that situation. The Eagles game was ridiculous if you think about it. I agree with you, but I think they like where his ceiling is at and he’s never really worked as a FullTime QB so I think they’re just going w/ their instinct and giving the guy a shot.

by DM_Purp on Feb 14, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you

But i just wanted to point out that he started at QB in college for around 2.5 years. Not 1.5.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 14, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

What has Webb Shown at WR?

Whatever Webb showed prior to the draft that caused the Vikings to select him as a WR just 6 spots prior to a team selecting Tony Pike as a QB.

Think about this. Tony Pike was a legitimate mid round QB prospect with all the credentials to be picked earlier than the 6th round as a QB. The Vikings, after months of scouting, decided Joe Webb’s athleticism was worth more as a WR than having Tony Pike learning from Brett Farve.

In fact they were right. Joe Webb’s athletic ability surpassed expectations in TC and it was decided to develop him as a QB. None of that means he can’t be a great WR prospect or that the new coaching staff will evaluate him as a QBOF.

There are only questions. No answers.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

?

webb has showed he has the potnetial to go up higher then any other reciever could for a ball , im not sure if you have seen his youtube video or not but this is what they saw in him for reciever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9PsUH1fmJk

by favre4204ever on Feb 14, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh yes I saw it. And I think he might make a great receiver.

But the question is " What does LF think?" Since he put him in as a WR and KR I suspect we know the answer.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Not saying

He’ll suck at WR. But just as he was drafted to be a WR, the Viking FO saw enough in him to scrap that plan, even though we already had two servicable backups.

Now, granted, it appears that Chilly was the one who wanted him as QB rather than WR- and by far, the whole QB situation was Chilly’s biggest failure. Acquiring Brett Favre for 2009 was his only success, and seeing as how we didn’t win a Super Bowl, that success is still highly mitigated.

Maybe moving Joe Webb to WR is the smart choice. Certainly, having signed Bomar to a contract meant something. If we draft a QB and get a vet for the first season, that would leave us with 4 QBs. In our situation, that may actually simply be the route to go- 4 is a lot, but then again, that was the situation with the Pats during the beginning of Tom Brady’s first season, and it’s not unheard of in the NFL.

If the upgraded coaching staff sees enough in Webb at WR, or conversely too little at QB, to warrant the move, then I’m on board- I’ve gotta trust their decision making. I’m just surprised so many people here seem on board with the idea, seeing as how we dedicated his first season here at QB already, and the fact that it’s the only position he’s technically showed any potential NFL prowess at.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 14, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to remember it was Chilly how decided to make him a QB

And his track record isn’t the best on picking QB talent. As well a couple of weeks after it happened and Sage got trades a bunch of people around the net were wondering if taking Webb was just a clever way for Chilly to get rid of Sage, as Childress never wanted Sage on his team in the first place.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Feb 15, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right.

I mentioned that somewhere else- a vote from Chilly for QB is a pretty bad mark, actually.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Plus, again-

While yes, he was moved to KR, he was also left unchallenged as a starter for us in the final two games. Granted, our options were pretty thin, but we DID have Bomar, and we had signed him to a contract. That Leslie Frazier didn’t even apparently consider giving him a starting shot says a lot to me as well.

Counter point to my own argument- perhaps Frazier was confident enough in Bomar as at least a servicable backup that he didn’t feel the need to start him and ‘see what he had’, compared to Webb, in which case he started him to indeed do just that- see what happened when he was under center.

It’s mixed signals I guess to me, but again, the KR thing means little to the way I see Frazier’s view on Webb.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 14, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think you can

make that leap given the circumstances that surrounded that decision, LLV. Favre was still playing and LF wanted to see what Webb could do and not waste him on the sidelines. That’s how I “prefer” to view it. :)

by Murgo on Feb 14, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Here has been my thinking all year.

Webb didn’t play “wildcat QB” or WR or KR all year because the coaching staff ( childress) believed Webb might be the real deal and did not want him injured. Rumors were persistent that not all coaches agreed with this philosophy.

Magically, when LF becomes coach, Webb becomes a WR/KR. As an aside he gets injured in this duty.

Due to injuries LF is forced to play Webb at QB. To add insult to injury Webb wins the Eagles game and moves us from the 7th draft pick to the 12th pick. This win keeps LF up late at night because Webb showed a little talent he didn’t expect.
Now the question is " Is Webb the QBOF or just a back-up?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm sure Frazier was driven nuts by Webb.

He didn’t out and out suck… nor did he outright win the job. I’m sure he would have preferred for him to just bomb and make the decision easy.

BTW- your comment regarding ‘due to injuries Webb had to start’… didn’t we already have Bomar under contract at that point, or at least a member of the team? I wouldn’t say Webb was the ONLY option at that point, particularly since Frazier seemed keen to keep Bomar around regardless. I’d say it was far more a matter of interest than a matter of necessity- Frazier wanted to give him a shot. SOMETHING had to have given him that inkling- again, particularly seeing as how Frazier himself hadn’t won his own job yet. (An argument could be made that the Eagles game helped secure it, but there’s no way to know- Frazier was well liked in the locker room and largely respected by the fan base, Wilf for all we knew had already made up his mind on the matter at that point and was just waiting for season’s end to make it official.)

It makes me wonder if Frazier really disagreed with the decision to keep Webb at QB. Yes, he did try him at KR- but he commented after that game that a ‘whole package’ had been created for Webb, and specifically mentioned ‘Wildcat’ in that same breath. It sounded more like Webb was still going to be QB’ing it up some, rather than being a true WR.

Quick question, hoping you know the answer. Brett Favre was technically inactive for that game, but not being on IR, that left Webb technically at 3rd string QB. Had Webb entered the game under center, would 3rd string QB rules have applied- you know, TJack being unable to re-enter the game? Listing Webb as a KR/WR may have in fact been a clever way around that.

Again- I’m sure Frazier just wanted to know what he had in who as far as his basic thinking went. But I still think Frazier was genuinely intrigued by Webb far more as QB than WR.

One thing for certain. Frazier’s got his work cut out for him this offseason when it comes to QB. Let’s hope he finds the right solution- if one exists.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

A couple of points.

Bomar had spent 0 amount of time with the team and was not the right guy to go out there and play after T-Jack got hurt. Heck Bomar has still spent little time with the team.

If Frasier had really wanted Webb as a QB why would he place him in the most dangerous job in the NFL? (KR)

Prior to the game players are listed as active or inactive. The QBs are listed in order also on that list. I don’t know who was on the list but I imagine it was Webb, Ramsey, and Bomar in that order. I use to be able to find that list but am unable to now.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 15, 2011 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

If Frasier had really wanted Webb as a QB why would he place him in the most dangerous job in the NFL?

Because at the time of that game, Brett Favre was still the starter and Tarvaris Jackson was still the 2nd stringer, leaving Joe Webb buried.

I am sure Frazier had the same sentiment as most of us had; find a way to get him on the field. KR is the quickest place he could put Webb without any real preparation.

by Bjorno on Feb 15, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

perhaps a silly, off-topic question, but...

…why was Percy taken out as the KR?? i know Booker was in there at the end of the year, and now people are talking about Webb as the KR…is it because Harvin’s health is unpredictable?? i call bunk on that.

by rj-b on Feb 15, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually...

I think that’s exactly what the reason was. Harvin was such an important part of our offense that Frazier might have been worried about injuring him.

That said, I don’t agree with any decision to permanently replace Harvin as KR. He’s phenomenal at that job.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, i guess now that i think about it...

…the season was lost, so no sense in Percy ruining himself. i see no reason why he won’t be the KR this season…too good at it.

by rj-b on Feb 15, 2011 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.

That’s pretty much exactly how I feel about that. Plus, Frazier was in ‘experiment’ mode.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I will say this for a final time.

No one puts their QBOF on the field in the most dangerous job in football. You might put a QB that is not your QBOF in that position.

Therefore, Frasier believed Webb was not the future QB of the Vikings.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 6:49 AM CST up reply actions  

perhaps Frazier has changed his mind...what a concept...

isn’t it possible that LF wasn’t considering Webb as our QBOTF, but didn’t want athletic talent to waste away on the bench, so he put him in at KR/WR — then, when two QB’s went down, he was ‘forced’ to give Webb a shot at QB and ended up being happily surprised??

see, to me, a true leader (in this case, our coach) is able to allow his thought process to evolve after being presented new facts. LF probably wasn’t counting on Webb to be our QBOTF, but after showing good potential, his opinion changed. wouldn’t it be nice to have a head coach who looks at a situation and is open-minded enough to perhaps say, if only in his actions, “hey, maybe i was wrong”…??

i’m sorry, i just completely disagree with you…i think you’re using narrow logic by ignoring the fact Webb was our 3rd stringer at the time. LF may not have believed in Webb then, but it doesn’t mean new facts haven’t been presented that lead LF to believe in him now.

by rj-b on Feb 16, 2011 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

if-then does not work in football, it's more complicated than simple logic

I could play the same card.

Childress put AD at KR for a few games, therefore Childress did not believe AD to be the RB of the future.

by Bjorno on Feb 16, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure, you could say that.

But then you would have to admit that certain RBs ( like Darren Sproles) or other WRs are often KRs. But can you name another qb?

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Once again you have to look at the person who picked Webb as a QB

And then wonder to yourself how many other coaches in the NFL woud have made that same decision?

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Feb 15, 2011 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably a lot.

Sure, the Tarvaris experiment failed and he was Childress’s guy. But the knock on Childress was never on his ability to judge talent, it was his gameplan and on-the-field decisions that were the problem.

We can all agree that Tarvaris had everything you would want in a QB, except for the intangibles and those are often the hardest to judge. Just because TJack failed does not mean that Childress doesn’t know how to evaluate a QB.

You saw what Webb was able to do in the Eagles game, and despite some rookie mistakes and some drops by receivers, he looked pretty good in the rest of his time on the field. I think if any other team was in need of a QB, had just drafted Webb, and saw what we saw out of him; they likely would have done the same thing.

That said, there is no guarantee that Webb will do anything. But I certainly saw some things out of him that we hadn’t seen out of TJack in his entire 5 years here.

by Bjorno on Feb 15, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Except...

Chilly stuck with TJack for far too long. Yes, his initial failures you can’t place firmly on Chilly’s shoulders- lots of coaches have had lots of players bust. But the fact that Chilly never sought a true replacement for TJack, and just kept going for veterans to try and continue to develop him, became a major knock on him after a while. After TJack’s second season we should have started looking elsewhere, be it draft or FA.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:49 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 6:52 AM CST up reply actions  

He was a stubborn guy...

Stubborn people rarely admit mistakes. Dropping TJack would be admitting he made a mistake, and I just can’t see Childress doing that.

My point is that just because Webb is another one of “Chilly’s” guys does not automatically mean he is another Tjack.

If Spielman and Frazier keep him at QB, it will be because THEY feel he should be a QB rather than a WR.

After TJack’s second season we should have started looking elsewhere, be it draft or FA

Um… We did. We got Gus Frerrotte in FA and drafted John David Booty. Unfortunately, none of them panned out.

Then we went out and got Favre.

by Bjorno on Feb 16, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

on part one- Just because Chilly thought Webb would be good at QB, and was wrong about TJack, doesn’t mean he was wrong about Webb. I mean hell, he was right about Favre (first time around).

On part two- you thought Gus Frerrotte was actually a replacement for TJack? I saw him as a stop-gap veteran so we could continue to develop TJack. Frerrotte was definitely never a potential QBOTF. John David Booty is in a similiar boat- maybe he wasn’t exactly a stop-gap vet, but a QB drafted in the fifth round is NOT you looking to replace your current annointed one. He was drafted at best to be a serviceable backup.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 16, 2011 5:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Childress did address the situation, just not seriously.

by Bjorno on Feb 16, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

He addressed it...

by consistently believing Tjack was our QBOTF and refusing to budge from that position. He constantly got guys to help develop him, people he could learn from. While granted, there was little he could learn from sitting behind Brad Johnson, there comes a point where you realize the guy’s just never going to work out, and you just have to start from scratch.

Chalk it up to misplaced faith, stubborness, whatever. It was a major mistake and, to me, one of the biggest blemishes on Chilly’s record as Viking HC.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 17, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Tebow should be converted to WR too

He jumped higher than any other QB ever in the combine, and he’s fast and likes to run!

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 15, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that was me spouting off about Tebow.

But deep down I hope he succeeds as a QB. His record is about as good as Webb’s right now. Except Webb has better mechanics.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 15, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference was that Tebow was drafted as a QB. Webb was not.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 15, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

How many times do I have to dispell this misinformation.

Webb entered the draft as a QB and was drafted as a QB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

We wanted to move him to WR after the draft, then decided otherwise.

by Bjorno on Feb 15, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

that’s what LLV means- that we drafted him with the intention of moving him to WR right off the bat. While technically listed as a ‘QB’ in the draft and therefore also technically drafted as such, the FO didn’t have that in mind for him when the selected him.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Wikipedia is stating what happened after the draft.

The day Webb was selected, Spielman and Coach childress both said we drafted Webb as a WR. He was only made a QB during TC when the coaching staff happened to see him throw a football and was surprised at his arm strength. At the time we were deep at WR, deep at QB, heck we were so deep at everything we were going to win the SB.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 6:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Joe is promising

I really like his game. I think that the interception that was mentioned above is just a situation were he forced a throw. It didn’t seem like he really telegraphed too many passes like T-Jack had/has a tendency to do. We have a team were a check down is generally a good option. He seemed to use those check downs a lot.
That interception is the Brett Favre gunslinger type INT, which are much more acceptable than a telegraphed eyes on one guy kinda deal. It was ugly and not the right play, but like has already been said, I think he will learn to take off and run in that kind of situation.

He I’m not sure what he would do as a KR

His athleticism seems like it would make it possible for him to play WR, and Wild Cat QB.
The cool thing would be if he could become a good enough pocket passer where he can run the normal offense and then sneak the wild cat on people. THAT could be dangerous.

by Michael C. Boosalis II on Feb 13, 2011 7:23 PM CST reply actions  

Joe Webb, Quarterback
Webb hopes to get a playbook from Musgrave before the collective bargaining agreement expires March 4.

“Hopefully, they can do that just to give us a head start if we can’t go through OTAs (organized team activities), just to get mental reps, just being able to look over again,” Webb said.

Now that’s the right attitude.

I may not be a professional NFL scout or coach, but after a few years of watching NFL football, I like to think I can see the difference between a wanna-be QB and the real deal. I honestly think that Webb is going to be a very good, if not great, QB in the NFL if he’s given the opportunity to finish growing into the big-boy cleats. Of course he makes mistakes now, but he understands that and understands that he need to continue developing and learning.

The Vikings need 3 QBs on the roster, minimum. There’s no sane reason for Webb not to be in one of those 3 slots.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 13, 2011 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

There’s no sane reason for Webb not to be in one of those 3 slots.

If the new coaching staff evaluates Webb as only a future NFL back-up QB, I would consider the Vikings very sane, if they move their 6’4" tall, very fast QB to WR, especially if Sidney Rice doesn’t resign with the Vikes.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 7:20 AM CST reply actions  

Sanity

That assumes that he’s a capable WR, that he runs good routes and can catch. As you noted above, we haven’t seen that in him on an NFL level.

Good QB prospects are a lot harder to find than good WR prospects. The Vikings will do as they think best, of course, but if they decide to move Webb to WR without having 3 better QB prospects signed to the team (and right now, no QB on the roster is better than Webb), I’ll find that pretty questionable decision-making.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 14, 2011 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You misunderstand my comment.

If the Vikes determine Webb is not our QBOF, then I expect him to compete at TC as a WR. Then they can determine where he should be played or developed. Obviously, if this coaching staff believes he has true NFL QB potential than they will not change his position.

But if we go to camp with a FA QB or a stud drafted QBOF on the roster and no Sidney Rice many will find it insane to continue to develop Webb as a QB.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

I see what you mean.

Do you really think they’ll let Rice get away? If they let Berrian go (please, oh please, please), and winnow out that surplus of mediocre WRs the Vikings have hanging out in the wings, I would think it makes it more important to keep Rice.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 14, 2011 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

that's assuming Rice's hip isn't causing him trouble

Rice looked alright once he started playing again, but for all we know his hip could be giving him serious trouble behind the scenes. if there’s any doubt, it might not be worth locking him up long-term, IMHO.

i doubt Rice is on his way out, though. but if he is, i can’t see us drafting a #1 WR with all our other needs. San Diego has VJax and Floyd as free agents, i wonder if they’ll try to keep both…could be something there. maybe we rent Santana Moss for a season or two. to be honest, i’d love to see Fitz in purple next season…

(Rice, or other #1), Harvin, Camarillo, that’s a solid base…Arceneaux can’t be any worse than Berrian, i imagine. Iglesias, we’ll see what’s there. not a bad receiving corp, really. none of that is even possibly including Webb in the mix. i think we’re pretty good, just gotta see if Rice is the guy or not.

by rj-b on Feb 14, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Before we go out and get a FA WR

maybe we should look at how that worked out for us this year.
Camarillo- (traded)- Not very productive
Hank Baskett- Not very productive
Randy Moss- Not very productive ( biggest understatement of the year)

Perhaps we should consider improving the WR corps with this"
Jaymar Johnson- IR squad
Freddy Brown- Practice squad
Joe Webb- QB transfer
Draft choice.

At least you know what you have in several of those choices.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Camarillo was plenty productive..

I like Cammy returning punts, and he was still learning the playbook last year. Give him a chance.

by Bjorno on Feb 14, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Greg Camarillo averaged 1.5 catches per game for the Vikes.

He did average almost 10 yds per return.

My point is that out of all the WR brought in the best we can say is 1.5 catches a game. Lets draft some receivers and develop what we have.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We also only averaged 16 completions per game.

Well short of the 23 completions per game we were averaging in 2009.

He also is a #3 or 4 guy, and 1.67 catches per game is not out of the ordinary for a guy in his position, especially considering our decrease in overall passing performance.

How the hell is Brett, or any QB for that matter, going to throw to their 4th read when they don’t have enough time to do so?

There is more involved here, and our problems start at QB and offensive line. WR are the least of our worries, so long as Rice stays on the team.

by Bjorno on Feb 15, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Camarillo

for the following reasons:

a.) He does what’s expected of him. Hopes were never particularly high for him outside of the fanbase, which you can’t use to judge.
b.) I think he’s paid a fair amount.
c.) He has good work ethic. Again, the touchback preventing a pick-6. As my mantra goes, I want hard workers and players with no quit.
d.) I agree with the assesment that he was underutilized because of the transition to our playbook. Plus, he played in a really weird season- Randy Moss showing up, Randy Moss leaving, Sydney Rice showing back up, Percy Harvin moving around a lot. Our WR corps seemed to be in constant flux.
e.) I don’t think Chilly really ever knew what to do with the guy. Musgrave is the kinda OC, at least as he’s saying right now, to figure out what he’s got and develop a playbook around that. Should Musgrave like what he’s got in Camarillo for what Camarillo can offer, I think we’ll see more production out of him in 2011.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Decision Making Too
c.) He has good work ethic. Again, the touchback preventing a pick-6. As my mantra goes, I want hard workers and players with no quit.

I really, really liked that. It showed that he wasn’t just running after the guy who had the ball, he did the mental calc while chasing him down, ran through the NFL rulebook on the situation, and took the best possible action. That was one of the smartest things I’ve ever seen a WR do, and made the decision to do it and executed that decision, 100% on his own.

Definitely a keeper.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 16, 2011 8:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I do see Rice as a problem .

first off the Vikes and Rice have to agree on his value. The injuries he has sustained could be an indication to the Vikes that his potential in the future is limited. Obviously, if everyone agrees he can play like 2009 then he is worth a lot. But, if another team is willing to pay Sidney huge money, then I’m not sure the Vikes can match if they target Greenway as more important.
Many many questions for the Vikes this year.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder that myself.

Now, I don’t want to hold the decision to put off surgery against him TOO much- surgery is a scary thing, and apparently he did have a doctor or two telling him it could be naturally rehabed.

The question is, even beyond injuries, how well will Rice be without Brett Favre throwing to him? He didn’t seem to do to great with Webb, and considering how Percy Harvin seemed to make the adjustement just fine, I think I’d point to Rice as the weak link there before I’d say it was Webb’s fault.

Counterpoint- Rice did rather well with TJack throwing to him, including a very 2009-esque TD catch.

But again, overall, what little we saw in 2010 seemed to be a shadow of 2009 Rice. While I can’t, again, blame him too much for holding off surgery, it may have had catastrophic effects for his career as a Viking- he failed to sieze the opportunity to prove that 2009 wasn’t a fluke. But even if it was, the question of how he’ll do without Favre is a very real one. We just never knew if it was Favre making Rice great, Rice making Favre great, or just the two of them both having a magical season at the same time.

Overall, I’d like to see Rice in purple and gold again next year. I often say that with the questions at O-line, QB, and safety, the last thing I want to do is create more holes and questions. We don’t have enough draft picks to get top level talent at various positions, and with FA is limbo, our options outside of the draft are severely limited. With Rice around, we can at least scratch ‘WR’ off our to-do list, at LEAST for 2011.

But at the same time, I don’t want to give a huge chunk of salary cap space to him, or sign him to anything very long-term. Greenway is without a doubt a far more valuable FA- he’s proven himself as a consistent, reliable, and solid LB. And we do have to think about AP’s extension- he’s far more a bullwark in our offense than Rice, particularly now that his fumblitis has been cured.

It all depends. As you very correctly put it- lots of questions. No answers. Is Rice worth keeping? If he is, at what price? What are other teams going to offer him, and will it be worth it to match/ beat them?

We’ll just have to see. One thing for certain though- I’d hate to see a repeat of 2009, where the offense suffered tremendously without him.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 14, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You make a gret case for

Webb learning the Wr role instead of wasting his time at QB.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 14, 2011 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

IF

And only if-

a.) Rice leaves the Vikings,
b.) No decent replacement is found,
c.) the Vikings either draft or find any other means to a QBOTF,
d.) Frazier and co. genuinely believe that Webb would be better at WR than QB.

Really, if you give me only c.) and d.) I’m fine with it.

I was actually going to put an addendum to this post- I recently read that Plaxico Burress is itching to get back into the game post-jail time. Think we could get him at a decent enough price? It would have to be a shorter contract ala Vick, since we have no clue if he’ll be his old self or not.

The nice thing about that is Burress can be acquired outside of FA, so the CBA matters squat towards that. The trick would be beating other offers. I have heard the Giants would be willing to give him another shot, but seeing as how it appeared he had burnt bridges there even prior to being arrested, I do wonder about that.

Fitzgerald is PM outta the equation as far as I’m concerned. There won’t be any FA, and furthermore, he said if the Cards acquire K Kolb, he’ll stick around- I gotta imagine once they have the opportunity, they would jump on that. Not only could they keep their star WR, but they, along with the Redskins and 49ers, are the only team that compares to our QB situation.

Swinging back around to your original point- yeah, I’m OK w/ Webb at WR if that’s whats best for him and best for the Vikings. My original point is that it does surprise me the amount of support that idea has here. I’ll await Frazier’s viewpoint to really weigh in on the matter.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

What to do with Webb
yeah, I’m OK w/ Webb at WR if that’s whats best for him and best for the Vikings. My original point is that it does surprise me the amount of support that idea has here.

I’m surprised at it too, and the number of fans who clamor for it.

Even if Webb can go to WR, AND be a good WR, I still think it would be wrong thing to do. It would be a waste of his talent and ability, and good WRs are a lot easier to find than good QBs.

If Leslie Frazier decides to move Webb to WR, and brings in 3 QBs who are all better than Webb or show better potential than Webb does, then yes, it will make sense to move Webb to WR. It’s that, or release him.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 15, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions  

So…. because Rice might not be that great, or he might be gone, that’s a great case to take a guy who’s never played WR in the NFL but has proven himself to have the makings a good QB, and convert him to WR.

LLV, there’s just not much logic in that.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 15, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

C'mon now.
but has proven himself to have the makings a good QB,

This is your opinion. It might be valid. LF might disagree. I am saying that from what LF has said and done so far, he probably has decided your wrong. But I will admit that the Eagles game gave a glimpse of something special.

But If Bomar is better, so be it.
If Ramsey is better, so be it.

Then let him work at something he can be better at. Maybe what he was brought in to do. WR.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 15, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

We’re all playing guesswork with Frazier’s mind right now. For being rather straightforward, I think he was playing mad scientist near the end of the season, and I don’t want to make judgements on what he’s thinking based off of that.

We’re probably better off sitting and waiting to see what his decisions are. I’ll trust them no matter what, because until he’s proven right or wrong, it’s the most optimistic path to take… and us Vikings fans need optimism.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I do not believe that Frazier or Spielman have given any concrete decision about Webb

They said they will look at all avenues as of today LL …

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/116258084.html

"The other thing is, I know we’re excited about Joe Webb. … I know we’re very excited about some of the things that we’ve seen in Joe Webb and the potential he has, too. From the arm strength, from the athletic ability and some of the positives that he’s really shown through the last part of the season last year."
 
Webb, who was drafted in the sixth round last spring with the intention that he would be moved to wide receiver, started the final two games of the season at quarterback. Asked if Webb would remain at QB, Spielman said: “Right now, yeah, we are going into it as Webb as a quarterback.”

That does not sound like they want to move the young man to WR.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 15, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't expect different.

When Frasier, a new coach, was first asked about the Vikings needs he immediately started talking about a QB. Thats the position we need to address he said.

ever since that time Spielman and Frasier have been doing damage control making sure all teams know we don’t need a QB, we might not draft a QB, we have way to many good QBs, we can get a QB in FA. I totally understand the doulble talk but I think the unvarnished truth came out early.

Again, I like Webb and his story. Would love for him to be the next Tom Brady. I just don’t read the tea leaves that way.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 6:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair Competition, not Preconcieved Judgement

Of course the Vikings need to address the QB question. They don’t have a #1 QB, they knew they were going to come up empty for this spot for the past 2 years and did absolutely nothing to address it (to keep from offending Favre, IMO), so now we’re hanging out in the wind.

Knowing that the Vikings need a QB is pretty obvious. No matter how fancy a verbal two-step that Frazier does, every team in the NFL, every scout, hell, every FAN (even of non-Viking teams!), knows that the Vikings are desperate for a QB. There’s no damage-control possible on this one, so I can’t go along with assuming that LF and Speilmann are engaging in pointless and ineffectual misdirection.

Who knows where Webb will pan out. He’s not likely to suddenly be the next Tom Brady, but then, no one else has in the past decade. That doesn’t mean that Webb couldn’t, however. And even if he’s not a Tom Brady, that doesn’t mean he can’t mature into a solid backup QB. We need two of those also.

The only thing I’m against is jumping to a premature conclusion about Webb and his ability. Try it out in camp and see where they all rank; An FA veteran, a draft QB, Webb, Bomar, Archer, and whoever else wants to come try out. Take the best and make him the Vikings’ #1 QB. Let the second best be #2, and third best by #3

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 16, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm gla we agree on the concept of what the Vikings need.

The problem will occur in wha the Vikings should do. If they evaluate one of the top 4 as their QBOF then they will draft that guy and get a true vet ( or keep Ramsey) and probably keep Bomar.
Wenn just doesn’t fit in.
If they fel Webb is the possible QBOF they develop Webb and draft a QB like Stanzi or Ponder to challenge him.

I don’t see a scenario where Webb competes against a high draft choice at QB.
But heck, what do I know. I’m not a scout, a GM, or a knowledgeable football guy.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

It all depends

on what they see in Webb come OTA. I think they’re going to draft a QB high, assuming we draft one at all. I doubt they’ve seen enough in Webb to risk drafting a lower QB… but like you, I am neither a scout, GM, or knowledgable football guy! Just an armchair pundit, if you will.

My guess is a high round draft pick for QB, assuming one of the top four remains available. Then we’ll give Webb a shot at competing regardless. I mean, it can’t hurt assuming they’re not just deadset already on Webb at WR- if Webb doesn’t win the competition, he doesn’t win the competition, and we made the right move in getting a higher drafted QB. If Webb does win the competition, then he did it against a solid threat and we’ll know that we really have something here. And we can then potentially even trade that drafted QB later on, ala the situation the Eagles find themselves in (although yes, Kolb wasn’t a high draft pick).

This again is based off of two assumptions: a.) they’re not going to just outright move Webb to WR, and b.) they’re not outright sold on Webb’s QB potential.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 17, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Rice is definitely going to want a big pay raise from the Vikings. I’m just hoping he will be reasonable but I could see him jumping ship if he’s offered a big contract somewhere. Hopefully the Bears or someone else in the good ol north doesn’t try to offer him something. I’m assuming we’ll also be using the franchise tag(If the new labor deal gets done) on either Greenway or Rice if we can’t get something done. I think Greenway likes it here. He’s from South Dakota so his home is right around the corner and I think I remember reading somewhere he was a Vikings fan growing up. Hopefully he’ll want to stay and the front office wants him to stay.

by Skoaldybi on Feb 14, 2011 1:39 PM CST reply actions  

Wasnt the front office

It wasnt the front office that scrapped Webb as WR and chgd back to QB. It was the QB guru that we finally got rid of, Chilly, that made the move. See how well Chilly’s project with TJack worked out. Webb is a hell of an athlete. Put him at WR/KR and let his talents shine. He has lost 1 yr learning WR position because of asshole Chilly. Lets not waiste anymore time

by WVVikings on Feb 15, 2011 2:43 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Sing it brother!!!

People are still respecting Childress’s calls on out QB position. Compltely blows my mind.

It's a lot easier to love the Vikings when they win...

by Grime on Feb 15, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't Waste a Rare and Valuable Talent

Respecting Childress?

Get real, Brother Grime!

Who cares what Chilly thought or didn’t think, at this point. He’s history and gone. We have to evaluate what we have on our plate now. Today.

T-Jack can’t make it to the next level.

Webb might be able to.

To say that because Webb’s a great athlete, he should be moved to WR, doesn’t track. We could say the same thing about Tebow, and about Vick. Great athletes, maybe they should be moved to WR! Why not? Because there’s lots of good-to-great WRs out there, but damned few good-to-great QBs.

If you have a guy who could be a good-to-great QB, you give that every opportunity to mature because the position is much harder to fill and if you fill it, much more valuable. Moving him to WR or KR without first having given him that opportunity to mature as QB is beyond negligent.

I’m beginning to think that Chilly’s prolonged experiment with T-Jack has made a lot of Viking fans automatically want to reject a QB prospect who’s also a great athlete. And if any legacy of Childress needs to be overcome, it’s that.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 15, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I second this...

I try not to let my homer lenses get too thick, and while I of course WANTED Webb to come off the bench last year and wow us, frankly my expectations were extremely low. I was really surprised to see how well he handled the mess he was thrown into, surprised and intrigued. I can’t see scrapping the kids QB experiment just yet, with nothing else on the table. The issue with TJack had always been that intangible ‘confidence’, that QB savvy. We knew he could make the passes, but we also knew he was fragile and easy to rattle. Here we have a young kid who on his first day out looked more composed and comfortable than Tjack ever did, and in a far more precarious position to boot. When someone shows a flash of high-potential at the hardest position to stock, how do you not investigate?

by CaP'M on Feb 15, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps he does have rare QB talent

But the issue is, it’s raw talent. There is more to the equation than just ability. There is also experience. Usually by the time they get to pros you want a QB that has proven himself more than Webb, who has actually shown he can do it, that he is something more than high quality raw QB cloth. You want him to have taken more steps than Webb has (yeah yeah I know he has that NCAA record, but it’s for UAB where they don’t even have an offensive huddle, forget about a pro system offense).

The immediate question really isn’t if Webb can be a starting NFL QB. We can’t even start to ask that question, because its too unfair to judge him conclusively given his protean development. The true immediate question is, do the Vikings have the time and resources (including precious real game on-the-job training) to get him developed far enough that we can hope to get any kind of answer at all to that first question?

by puddnhead on Feb 15, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

3rd String QB

He was never projected to start last year, or this year, and probably not the year after. They expected him to take a good 3 years to cook before being ready to take the field and he came out earlier because everyone else was injured.

The Vikings have as much capability to let a 3rd string QB develop, as any team in the NFL.

Ah, ah,
We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
SKOL!

by DCPurple on Feb 16, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's not forget...

The knock on Childress was never his ability to judge talent. It was his boneheaded playcalling, clock management and forcing square pegs into round holes.

by Bjorno on Feb 15, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

...but isn't that the icing on the cake??

considering all the bonehead moves Chilly made throughout his stay here as HC, wouldn’t it be great if shifting Webb to QB proved to be his one greatest triumph, and now he can’t even celebrate it??

PBMF, Chilly.

by rj-b on Feb 15, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That is what is intriguing.

Everyone wants Webb to be the real deal. Another great 6th round draft pick success.

But does the necessity of us needing a QB, override the desire to see the story through to the end?

We will know by TC.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 15, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It's really looking like

should Fraizer judge Webb to be a better fit at QB than WR, for whatever reason, we’ll have 4 QBs on our roster- a vet, Bomar, Webb, and a draft pick. Again, unless Bomar is in fact the vet. Which might have to be the case with the FA issues.

Then we’ll have 3. Oh crap, I just turned my own argument inside out.

G-d I hate when I do that.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 15, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you forget

that Patrick Ramsey is on our roster, now? He has completed over 60 % of his passes in the NFL over the last three years. Of course he didn’t throw many. But actually, if he wasn’t so blasted slow afoot he could have been a decent QB.. So if we draft someone we will have 5 QBs on our roster.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Unh...

Yeah, I HAVE forgotten that.

Holy hell. Well, if they keep Webb and draft a QB, then we’re at 4 now even w/o the vet. Again, though, that could be a plan of Frazier’s. We’re in a position right now to carry 4 QBs so we can find our keeper outta the bunch.

Now that you’ve reminded me of this, Ramsey is most likely candidate to start, not Bomar. I’ve got a few posts to edit.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 16, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

umm...isn't Ramsey a free agent...

…assuming the CBA works out…?? i highly doubt he will be on our roster this season.

by rj-b on Feb 16, 2011 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I suspect Mr. Ramsey would love to accept a position on the roster

if he didn’t sign an extended non-guaranteed contract. But I’m not aware of what he signed.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 17, 2011 6:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i'm sure he would

but i doubt the FO will show the same enthusiasm.

by rj-b on Feb 17, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey Mark,

what did Ramsey sign? You’re the resident expert on these matters.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 17, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by UnBannedVikingholic on Feb 15, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I'' rec that too.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 16, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd as well.

It’d be a better story than ’Spiderman’s Song’.

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 16, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

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