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Vikings To Use Franchise Tag On Chad Greenway?

That's what Grandpa Sports is saying, in any event.

I'm not one to question folks like Sid Hartman, largely because they have a much greater connection to the Vikings than I do, but this will come as a mild surprise if it actually happens. From watching both Greenway and Sidney Rice (who many of us thought was getting the tag) over the past couple of years, I would have simply assumed that Rice would have gotten tagged because it would be easier to sign Greenway to something long-term.

According to Sid, Greenway's salaries over the past five seasons have looked something like this:

2006 - $1.3 million
2007 - $5.4 million (because this is when his signing bonus kicked in)
2008 - $1.7 million
2009 - $1 million
2010 - $1.3 million

With the franchise tag, that number for 2011 will be somewhere in the $9 million range.

Sid also points out that it's quite likely that Ben Leber won't be back, either, and the Vikings may figure that they can't try to replace both of them. I think the Vikings have enough depth at linebacker with guys like Erin Henderson to replace one starting linebacker in-house, but I don't think they could pull off two.

Now that Sidney Rice isn't being tagged, you have to sort of wonder whether or not a wide receiver like Julio Jones could potentially be an option for the Vikings at #12. When you think about it, there really aren't any wide receivers that the Vikings can truly depend on that are part of the roster right now. There's Rice with his contract status and injury woes, Percy Harvin has the issues with his migraines, Bernard Berrian is. . .well, he's Bernard Berrian.

Heck, even if the Vikings were to re-sign Sidney Rice to a long-term deal. . .the thought of a top 3 WR group comprised of Rice, Harvin, and Jones is intriguing in any case. It might not be "Three Deep" right away or anything, but the potential would certainly be there. And if you're breaking in a young quarterback, whether it's Joe Webb or a rookie or whoever, it's always nice to have an array of playmaking wide receivers for them to throw to.

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As good as greenway is

he still would be easier to replace then rice. Big tough receivers with excellent hands that will fight for the ball are very hard to come by. I would tag rice and put the transition tag on greenway.

by FlFan on Feb 17, 2011 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Sure maybe it is hard to get a clear #1 Reciever BUT

I think it is equally as hard to get a real stud OLB, and to let one go for nothing would be an absolute shame.

Greenway also didn’t deciede to have surgery right before the season was about to start which is also a clear message to the Front Office.

I’m not surprised they probably want to tag Greenway before Rice. They might have felt let down by his actions last year and also aren’t 100% sure he can consistently stay healthy.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree Greenway is

great but I still think you can get great olb alot easier then big recievers that catch everything. the vikings are going to have a rookie qb and he’s going to need all the help he can get. Rice can make him look good. I’m not suggesting they let Greeeway walk but if they use the transition tag on him they can still match any offers.

As far as Rice and his surgery, i’m not so sure I’d put all the blame on rice. I think there are things about the situation we don’t know. for one, why was the team not aware of the severity of his injury? why did they allow this to go to right before the season started? someone dropped the ball. Did the doctor mis diagnose the severity? alot of unanswered questions.

hopefully the vikes have been talking to both to try to get a deal done. if they can sign one before the deadline, they can tag the other.

by FlFan on Feb 17, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right

It is probably unfair of me to lump it all on Rice. Very true. There are definitely things we don’t know about that whole situation and probably won’t ever know. But somewhere, or someone messed up big time and it ended up hurting our team.

Yeah perhaps the transitional tag might be more appropriate for Greenway because he seems like he wouldn’t be too upset about getting a deal done.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope you're right

Please don’t franchise Greenway, we need him in Motown. Don’t even think of doing
the right thing. Franchise Rice even thought he is a gamble. So what if you don’t have a QB to throw to him even if he stays healthy. Let us have Greenway, you keep Rice

Expectations don't produce!

by 2manyears on Feb 17, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunatly...

I have to agree with your statements…
I reeeeeaaaaalllllyyyy don’t want to lose Sidney. I took it a little personal the way everything was handled last offseason… not only Sidney, but the fact of the matter was this was some B.S.
I would totally understand if the Front Office took it that way… a part of me does.

We can’t base everything on that though. The truth in the NFL doesn’t get out very often, so who really knows.

by Jester01 on Feb 18, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

How many games will he play in each season?

He’s missed significant ammounts of time due to injuries since we’ve drafted him. He’s has one healthy season so far, I think. Granted it was a good season, but its hard to justify paying a guy like he’s a top 5 player when he isn’t even likely to play every game for you.

by Frost on Feb 17, 2011 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I said this in a comment in some other thread

but they really could not afford to let Greenway get away. He is a stud OLB and we would be up a creek without a paddle if he and Leber left and between the two of them, Leber is obviously the one that is more likely to be let go.

I also stated as you did that we could potentially be looking for a WR at 12…

Think of our WR core this way:

Sydney Rice
Percy Harvin
Benard Berrian
Greg Camarillo
Greg Lewis
Hank Baskett
**Emmanuel Arceneaux

Sydney Rice’s contract and status are up in the air at the moment.
Percy Harvin is our purple beast and that suits us just fine.
Berrian is going to either have to restructure his contract to come back or he is going to get cut. I really don’t know if I would want him back if I was the Front Office.
Greg Camarillo stays for atleast another year since we traded for him and he was probably the most consistent reciever we had.
Greg Lewis gets his walking papers.
Hank Baskett gets his walking papers.

  • Emmanuel Arceneaux was just signed so I dont see him getting cut or anything but who really knows how he is going to be in the NFL at this point, Hopefully pretty good.

That leaves us with…

Rice, Harvin, Camarillo and Arceneaux with Berrian perhaps coming back but about 90% sure he wont.

If you think about it WR is actually a good position to look at at 12. Julio Jones could be a beast for us and be a solid backup in case Rice wants to move on this year or the next or even just to add depth to our WR core.

I really wouldn’t be surprised if they went out and got a WR at 12 because if they draft a QB in the 2nd or pick one up through Free Agency or even let good ol’ Joe take the reigns, anyone that starts for us next year is going to be new(ish) and what better way then to let them develop with a great WR plus the great ones we already have?

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

I forgot Juaqin Iglesias.

I guess I left him off the list, sorry bout that. Haven’t seen much from him.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

You also forgot

Jaymar Johnson, I remember he was getting quite a bit of praise before going on IR last year. Unless I missed him getting cut/traded?

by geoff a on Feb 17, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope you're right.

I forgot him too. Wasn’t on their roster. So the situation looks a little bit brighter than it did but not too much.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Pouncy

If he were there. You simply cannot overvalue a franchise guard if you have AP in his prime.

by Jepp The Viking on Feb 17, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

I agree on the AP and G comments

But Pouncey really didn’t have the great a year with Florida and is probably getting more attention then he should given the fact his brother is on the Steelers who went to the superbowl.

Having said that, I wouldn’t mind a C/G.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

BUT

We can get a good G in the 2nd

by hickenizgriz on Feb 17, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think Pouncey is overvalued.

And if we had a third (a recurring theme, I know), we could get a good G in the third, to be honest.

by Arif Hasan on Feb 18, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Amen Jepp

If there is a sure thing in this1st roundt. I think it is Pouncy.

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on Feb 17, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Pouncy would be a reach at #12

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 18, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps the lesser of the two tags will win out?

Greenway’s tag comes in at about 2 mil less than Rice’s tag.

Also they may feel like they can work along term deal easier with Greenway.

With Rice, they probably will do the transition tag although there are some funny rules with that like not being able to use it again for the length of the players contract or something like that.

But transitioning Rice would give them the opportunity to at least match what another team will pay him. It will allow them to gauge his market value.

Maybe he wont get near the franchise number?

If not then they would be able to match if they felt like he is going to be able to play at his 2009 levels.

If they lose Rice then we could be in trouble because Percy is the only other guy that is going to make defenses game plan.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 17, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah Agreed again Mark.

Losing Rice would be a HUGE blow to us and if it did happen, we undoubtely would have to go WR in round 1 in my opinion.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

But that's the thing

If there’s no CBA, we won’t know if we’re going to lose Rice until AFTER the draft.

So, do you draft a WR in anticipation of losing him and potentially pissing him off? Or do you pass on a wide recever and risk having a whole lot of nothing at the position if Rice leaves town?

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by Christopher Gates on Feb 17, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Tough Decision to make.

And very true point about not knowing until after the draft.

This offseason seems all sorts of F’ed up.

I think it would be prudent to draft one, especially one with the talent of Julio Jones. Yeah it might piss Sydney off but realisitcally he has to know that once we cut people we are going to be sort of thin at the position.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL PLUS

It gives us another reason to cut Berrian. :P

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope the vikes

have been talking to both these guys trying to get a deal done with both. I think getting a deal done with Rice is going to be more difficult. Rice is represented by drew rosenhaus. He’s had alot of injuries and only one good year. so the franchise tag may be a good way to see if 2009 was a fluke. I don’t think it was a fluke. Letting a Wr that can go get the ball get away is a huge mistake. someone like rice doesnot come along all that often.

by FlFan on Feb 17, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you think it is possible that Greenway wanted to stay all along

but a long term deal is hard to work out without a CBA. On the other hand, maybe Sidney didn’t want as long as deal and is talking to the Vikes as we speak and willing to take a good 3 year deal with a high guarantee.
Why. Because Rice is certain he will get better and 2 or 3 more years of consistant play with the Vikings will be more lucrative in the long run. I f Sid gets 18 millin guaranteed on a 3 year 27 million dael that is often as good as a lot of guaranteed contracts of 4 otr 5 years He doesn;t have a long term record of consistant good years to get much more. With only one solid year Sid knows he will not get a 6 or 7 year deal with a high guarantee anyway. He gets a little less guarnateed (but a decent insurance plan). If he succeds, in 3 year his payday will be a big one , more guaranteed money and longer term.
Something is going on. Greenways stats speak for themself. It is the right move. He is a mainstay and peice of our future to be locked . He’ll get big $ from the Vikings.
Rice will stay – I got that feeling again that something is up. Losing Rice means losing too much. It would destroy the recieving corps. Sorry but harvin can’t handle all of it. We not only need to keep a profile WR. We need to add a complimentary opposite.

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on Feb 17, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't think

it would piss off Rice. Would you rather have Bernard Berrian opposite of you? Or Julio Jones? It will take some of the pressure off of Rice and could get him into more 1on1 situations.

by hickenizgriz on Feb 17, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Even in that situation

Is WR really atop our list of concerns? So much so that we need to use our first rounder, in a draft where we don’t even have a third rounder?

Nothing's tougher than being a diehard Vikings fan.

by KJSegall on Feb 17, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe not.

But it is something to consider, even if it pushes up draft stock to trade down.

by FSUViking on Feb 17, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

This is true

We can have all the weapons we want but if the QB is running for his life or on his back then what good are they?

by MarkSP18 on Feb 17, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I have been dreaming that one over and over

AJ falling to 12th. Resign Rice and have a WR corps that is just plain bad ass.
Harfvin in the slot. I also thought what if Webb didn’t work at QB and went to WR.
Rice / Green/ Webb. Kinda like Carter / moss /Reed
Of course that is a dream.
I have lots of thees dreams. Like getting Pouncy and Solder or Camari.
It can drive ya crazy thinking about all the scenarios that might happen

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on Feb 17, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Now that chilly is gone, we could

but I doubt it. Even though T.O. had a pretty good season last year, a 1-yr rental reciever is not really something we need. If anything, I think he’ll be trying to go to the Ravens or somesuch, but with the way he started throwing the team under the bus last season, I think it’s going to be even more difficult than usual to find a team that wants him.

by Frost on Feb 17, 2011 11:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love ocho

Sure, he may act like a clown when the teams winning, but hes all business when they’re not.

Also I always felt that his goofing off reminds everyone the games supposed to be fun and helps keep his teammates hearts in the game.

by geoff a on Feb 18, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed Chris

Not to mention even if we don’t draft a WR. Other teams that may have missed on a WR that they hoped to draft might come after Rice HARD. That might bite us big time and we might have to overpay for someone we want to stay on our team.

by DM_Purp on Feb 17, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

This is old news Chris

The Pioneer Press reported on Feb. 3,2011 that Greenway would be franchised and Sidney would be Transitioned.

Surely, noone really believes Sidney is so healthy and able that he is worth 10 Million next year. WRs do not grow on trees but they are replaceable. I believe a great one is being released from prison as we write.
But seriously, if the market for Sidney is 8-10 Million and another team offers that, then we can simply match those terms if the FO feels it is necessary.

But the main point is that the tags are meaningless on March 3, 2011 when the CBA expires. They will only be useful if a new CBA reinforces the same status to those tags as the previous contract or if the old contract is extended. I suspect that the fact that the Ray Edwards of the world who were screwed out of one year of free agency won’t be used as scapegoats and screwed out of another. In other words, these tags are meaningless.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 17, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to disagree

I fully expect that the owners will NOT agree to any new CBA without the tags available to protect their best player.

They mean nothing come March 3rd. This part is true.

Any reasonable person would have to come to the conclusion that language will be included that deals with the current group of free agents.

There is no way that Indy is going to let Peyton hit the open market. Their owner will never agree to any CBA whereby that comes true.

So I believe that the tags will have meaning because they will reflect the current players’ status prior to the CBA expiring.

And it saves time as well.

If a new CBA is reached in August or September, they would have to put tags on players and then wait two weeks. Then all the free agents would have to fly around visiting the teams to get the best offer or situation.

Tagging now just saves time.

The owners know what they are doing.

Peyton Manning will NOT be a free agent. I will bet some money on that!

by MarkSP18 on Feb 17, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Put the transition tag on Greenway

We get a 1st rounder if someone signs him and we don’t match. We only get a 2nd round pick for compensation if we lose Rice.

by Cobra312004 on Feb 17, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

No it does not work like that

We can only match an offer within 7 days when we place a transition tag on a player. If we do not match we get diddly this year. Next year we MAY get a compensatory pick but that is a complicated formula and the picks do not start until the end of the 3rd round.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 17, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally agree with Mark.

Franchise tags are either eclusive ( player can’t take offers from anyone) or non-exclusive ( where a team can offer but must pay two first round choices for that player). No team has EVER signed a player and paid two first round choices.

The Transition tag simply gives the Vikings a chance to match the offer. Nothing more, nothing less. But we should remember the Poison Pill we inserted into the contract we gave Hutchinson. That clause made it impossible for Seattle to match the offer. Paybacks are a bitch, sometimes.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 17, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

We did get paid back, sort of

With Nate Burleson. But I think the NFL has done something about it and “poison pills” are now illegal.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 18, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

So Mark and lifelong -questio...

Did it make sense to franchise Chad and the transition Sidney. I think Sid will get an OK off but not great. Could that be the plan.? Transition, wait and see what the contract is and match it. Maybe they told Sidney this and it iis a gesture of good will. Go out there we don’t want to haggle and get into a bad situation. Find out what you can get out there and we will match it.
If I were a player that would make ne feel pretty good. Don’t have to fight with my team in negotiations and I am being told I will get whatever the top offer would be anyway

AKA : Revenge4Webb

by CitrusFLViking on Feb 17, 2011 10:32 PM CST reply actions  

That is probablty what will happen

But on the other hand, WRs have loner LTIs (length to impact). It took Sidney until his 3rd year to really make an impact.

Taggin Sidney with the non-exclusive tag guarantees him the average of the top 5 WRs …

A “non-exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.

So Sidney will get at least a one year deal of about 9 to 12 mil. Whatever it is.

Meanwhile they can try to sign him to a longer deal.

That leaves Chad with the transition tag. LBs make good money but not as much as WRs. And LBs have a much shorter LTI. A draftee may be able to step right in and play. Not as good as Chad at first but maybe good enough.

The other thing with Chad is that they may feel that he will at least let them make the first offer. They may have spoken to him about this already. Maybe they told him they trust him and are willing to give it their best shot. It better be a good offer though.

I think there is a better chance of matching what Chad gets than what Rice will get. Also, it means that they will be paying out less in the first year because they are only paying Rice the average of the top 5 WRs and Chad a huge deal.

The other way they would be paying both a huge deal.

And finally, they still have the rights to Rice. If they get to the point where they see they cannot sign him to an extension they can trade him for a high draft pick. This is what their main goal should be IMHO.

Do not lose a player for nothing in return. If you do that then you have just wasted the original pick and the years coaching and developing the player.

I think I would tag Rice and transition Chad.

Well actually, I would try and sign Chad to a two year deal BEFORE March 3rd. Maybe 2 year 14 mil. He may accept that because that means he will get another deal before 2013.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 17, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry Citrus, I meant for my response below to be a reply to you.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 18, 2011 6:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it makes sense to stabilize the defense.

However, the team approaches it I think management has to honest with the players and tell them exactly what they are willing to do. The trouble with the franchise tag is that players resist being forced into a one year contract where injury can eliminate a long term deal. So, if Chad knows the Vikes absolutely want a long term deal then go ahead and franchise him, but get the long term deal done as soon as the CBA is signed.

I think the transition tag is perfect for Sidney. Receivers are easier to replace than most give credit. Offensive systems can be tweaked to adapt to different receiver skills. Good receivers are available in the draft, Jaymar Johnson will return next year, Freddy Brown (6’4") is on the PS. Giving Rice full authority to deal with other teams will allow him to find his true value. If the Vikes agree with that value then they can sign him. If Sidney wants to play elsewhere, then OK.

I have always been a little suspect of Sidney’s true value because his only great year was with a HOF QB at the helm. We don’t have that now.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 18, 2011 6:36 AM CST reply actions  

I have to strongly disagree with the notion that receivers are easy to replace

Especially receivers of Rice’s skill level and potential. That lesson was learned in the 2010 season. Without Rice in the lineup, the offense was stagnant. The FO traded for Camarillo, brought in Walker, signed Hank Baskett, and the 3 of those guys combined could not replace the void that Rice’s injury had created in the offense.

You can also look at the effect that Rice’s absence had on production from the other offensive skill players. Shank’s numbers were way down. Berrian’s numbers were way down. AP’s production went down. Not only did Rice produce great numbers in 09, his presence forced teams to game plan around him which opened things up for other players. And that’s what great WR’s do, they cause the Defense to game plan around them. It can even affect how a team will draft (see the Chris Cook). You rarely hear of a team game planning around a 4-3 OLB.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 18, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, your viewpoint is shared by others.

But Sidney Rice has not prove his ability w/o a franchise QB under center.
Hank Basket, Camarillo, or Wlker were not brought in to replace Rice. But to get along until he came back. We could have had Vincent Jackson but the price was to steep with Sidney also returning. He could have replaced him. We could have drafted a QR last year, but Sidney was returning.

We haven’t had the need for him to be replaced. He is replaceable. I didn’t say it would be easy. I simply said it can be done easier than some other positions.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 19, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Below was supposed to be a reply to you

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 20, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Rhetorical question ahead
But Sidney Rice has not prove his ability w/o a franchise QB under center.

Would Jerry Rice have had the career he had if he played with TJack and Gus Frerotte instead of Montana and Young?

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 20, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

He would have had a great career.

whether he would have posted the same numbers as w/ Montan is debateable. But Rice could obtain separation. All he needed was a QB that could hit him after he separated.

Siney on the other hand jumps over people to get his receptions. I have always been suspect of Sidney’d greatness because of his low TD numbers compared to his reception ratio. He can’t score because he doesn’t separate. This doesn’t make him a good receiver. It simply doesn’t make him great. Yet.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 21, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad typing.

“This doesn’t make him a bad receiver. It just doesn’t make him great”.

IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.

by lifelongvike on Feb 21, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to compare Rice to Rice...

As much as I wanted to compare their situations. Obviously Rice, the elder, had a phenominal skill set which was reinforced by a tenacious work ethic. He likely would have been a great player regardless of who was throwing him the ball. And Rice, the younger, also possesses rare athletic ability which benefits him at his position. However Rice the elder thrived in his West Coast short passing system, because as you say, he could separate himself from defenders. This allowed him to catch a 5 yard slant or hitch and turn it into a 60 yard touchdown. Rice the younger cannot do this on a regular basis. Rice the younger, can however stretch the defense vertically because he has straight line speed, plus the ability to outjump just about anyone in the building. He also has the size to be a possession-type receiver and a great redzone target.

With all that being said, QB play has to be evaluated and discussed when analyzing Rice the younger’s career statistics.

"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."

by NMVike on Feb 22, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

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