The Philadelphia Eagles Want What For Kevin Kolb?

by Christopher Gates on Feb 21, 2011 5:01 AM CST in Minnesota Vikings

Not too long ago, we speculated as to whether or not the Minnesota Vikings would part with the #12 overall pick in the 2011 NFL Draft in exchange for Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Kevin Kolb, and whether such a deal would entail Minnesota giving up too much.

If what Dan Pompei of the National Football Post is reporting is accurate, the #12 pick might not be enough.

Pompei is reporting that the Eagles want a first round pick "and something else" in exchange for Kolb's services. He speculates that that "something else" is likely a third-round draft choice.

Two things here. . .first of all, this would likely take us out of the running, what with that whole "not having a third-round pick this year" thing going on. Second of all. . .a first AND a third (not to mention a huge contract extension, in all likelihood) for a guy that's started seven games in four NFL seasons and, to this point, has thrown more interceptions than touchdown passes in his career? Yeahhhhhhhhhhh. . .I'm going to have to say "pass" on this one.

Kolb's career QB rating, as of right now, is 73.2. To compare, Tarvaris Jackson's career quarterback rating is 76.6. Anyone think we'd get a first and a third for Tarvaris Jackson if he were still under contract to the Vikings?

Yeah. . .neither do I.

If the Eagles are going to demand a first and a third for Kolb, then there's a pretty good chance he'll be sitting behind Michael Vick again this season, after which the Eagles will have to determine whether or not they'll want to put a tag (if the new CBA has those) on a quarterback for the second season in a row. For that price, as far as I'm concerned, they can keep him.

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Good!

I wouldn’t want to give up even the #12 pick for the guy.

by Get Some Perspective! on Feb 21, 2011 5:52 AM CST reply actions

Kolb

I second that….stay away from all Philadelphia cast-offs…..

"Ya just can't fix stupid....."

by Jesse442 on Feb 21, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions

All?

Like Cris Carter?

by Arif Hasan on Feb 21, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions

RC was good for a year

by DM_Purp on Feb 21, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

I Wouldn't

Give up a 3rd round pick for Kolb, even if we had one!

People at work were talking about the possibility of him coming to Minnesota so I looked up his career stats. Needless to say, I was less than impressed.

I AM VIKING, HEAR ME ROAR!!!

by BaldViking on Feb 21, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions

I sort of like Kolb for the Vikings

But a first and anything is sort of laughable.

I’d give up a hypothetical third. I think what he will do is significantly better than what he has done. In the 7 games he played this year, 2 of them—that’s about 30%—he was the NFL offensive player of the week. That’s aight, I guess.

It’s hard not to lose your job to the NFC’s best quarterback that year. Doesn’t mean he’s not good—the Eagles were more than willing to start him, which implies that someone like Andy Reid (who is good at evaluating QBs) saw enough of him that he should start over McNabb. It just means he’s not great.

Is great all we’re going to settle for? We might have to wait a while.

That said, not a first.

by Arif Hasan on Feb 21, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions

Philly is just playing the game

If I was Philly I would be trying to get as much as possible as well. I do not blame them one bit. But as a Viking fan, and without a 3rd round pick already and with so many free agents and positions in need of quality depth or starters, I would wait until 2012 when Kolb has a chance to be a free agent. Why give up a pick or two now when you maybe can get him for free?

It still comes down to his production which has not been that good save for a couple of games and the fact that he got hurt with that concussion. I just do not believe he is worth a high pick. I think he would be worth a 2012 2nd but that is it. But what about the QBs this year that are coming out? Kolb has not done so much that he is better than these kids IMO. He has sat on the bench for a few years and played a few games. Other than that what has he done that makes him better?

These kids could have the same type of stats as Kolb in four years. Would that make them worth a high pick? I just do not see how he has increased his value. Just because Houston gave up what they did to get Matt Schaub means that other teams need to do it. Schaub benefits from throwing to the best WR in the game.

I say no thanks to Kolb.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 21, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions

I like your point about getting him for nothing next year

With the last year of his contract coming up. There’s a couple of things that don’t work in our favor there. #1, other teams will want him(competition always drives up the stakes). #2: He will not make it past THIS summer. Kolb’s a really hot name right now and some team will pull the trigger on him. Why wouldn’t the Eagles dangle Kolb for a 1st and a 3rd?? This is the offseason where people are going crazy for pathetic QBs in this draft. There’s so many teams that are disfunctional at the QB position so why not ask for an over the top amount. What’s the worst that happens, you don’t get it? But a team is going to ask the Eagles: “I can’t do that deal. How about our 1st and a 5th?” Then the Eagles are in business. Someone, please save this post and I am saying that the Eagles WILL get at least a 1st round pick. And that will be THIS summer the trade gets made. This will not drag into the season. I will eat my words if i am wrong.

by DM_Purp on Feb 21, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

You could be right and it is not a bad prediction

The question though is should the Vikings give up a 2012 first for Kolb?

Another team is fine by me. I just hope it is not the Vikings.

by MarkSP18 on Feb 21, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly

The NFL trade market is like a car lot. Who pays sticker price?

It’s a starting price, one that could go up or down depending on the demand for Kolb in the marketplace.

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by JasonB on Feb 22, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions

Crazy like a fox?

The question I would ask as so many balk over the price of Kolb is….does Philly really want to trade him? My guess is no. He’s got a very manageable contract. He knows the offense. Mike Vick will take some sort of injury and the Eagles will then have to call Kolb in.

Will Kolb pout? Sure, but he’s also not such a locker room cancer that it will affect this year. Philadelphia is also not a touchy feely organization that gets too wrapped up in the relationships with players. They try to keep it positive, but they have been known to have ice water in their veins and trade a local legend a year before he starts showing his age just to get some trade value. With that in mind it’s not hard to see them do the reverse and put a young guy through the ringer just to be sure they have a long term answer in Vick and then try to mend fences later with Kolb if that doesn’t work.

by PackApologist on Feb 21, 2011 1:18 PM CST reply actions

kolb

kolb is overrated if he was so good eagles wouldnt be trading him vikings need to draft a qb and develop him if that doesnt work you need to fire the scouts and coaching staff

by James the fan on Feb 21, 2011 2:54 PM CST reply actions

Some team will bite on this.

some foolish, poor, sad sad team who needs a QB even worse than us will bite. I certainly wouldn’t give up that much. I might give up a second for Kolb, and say, a fourth from the Eagles. Maybe. But definitley not a first, and i almost had a heart attack when I saw 1st and 3rd.

Welcome, ladies and gentleman, to the aftermath of the chaos of the 2010 season. I now look forward to the draft. Help the O-Line! SKOL VIKINGS!!
And why did Cris Carter not get into HOF?? As my coach would say, the ballot voters had their thumb up their butt and their mind in Arkansas. I have nothing against Arkansas though.

by ccrunner on Feb 21, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions

Eagles fan here with a take on it:

It’s about negotiation. You don’t start low, especially when negotiating from a position of strength. The Eagles have something a lot of teams want this year, so they know the demand will be high. Is Kolb worth a first and a third? I don’t think so and I’m guessing the Eagles probably don’t either, but some team might be willing to do it. And if not, they can always negotiate. Or just keep Kolb and have a dependable backup to Vick (though I hope we trade Kolb, we could use the extra draft ammo to fill up holes).

by NOLACuse on Feb 22, 2011 10:06 AM CST reply actions

Kolb’s career QB rating, as of right now, is 73.2. To compare, Tarvaris Jackson’s career quarterback rating is 76.6. Anyone think we’d get a first and a third for Tarvaris Jackson if he were still under contract to the Vikings?

I happen to agree that Kolb is not worth a 1 and a 3, but to compare Kolb to Tarvaris Jackson (especially just solely on a dumb stat like QB rating) is so utterly ridiculous on so many levels, I really don’t know where to start… so I won’t even bother.

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by JimmyK on Feb 22, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions

The fine art of internet scouting.

by AZ Eagle on Feb 22, 2011 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

Very nice.

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by JimmyK on Feb 22, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions

I don't mind the QB rating stat.

We certainly enjoyed it when Vick had the highest one. My biggest frustration in this is a couple of things. First, comparing Vick to Jackson is very ignorant. In order to judge a quarterback like Kolb, one has to look past the raw numbers. They are very skewed considering he had 3 int. alone in his first career start, at halftime, against a top ranked defense, with zero preparation time. Several interceptions came on hail marys and complete garbage time (which I think is very relevant). It’s silly to solely look at QB rating, TD/INT ratio, all of that on such a small sample size.

Also, why doesn’t any team take into consideration the hype that the Eagles FO brought to Kolb- before Vick became the starter. Everything from Andy Reid praising him as their quarterback of the future, trading McNabb to a division rival for him to Tom Heckert saying he is worth 2 1st rounds after he became the GM for the Bengals. And let’s be real- these guys know quarterbacks. But I feel like since it wasn’t the Viking’s (or other hypothetical team) FO who said it, then they won’t believe it.

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by David_K on Feb 22, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions