Pat And Kevin Williams Flip Flop Positions On StarCaps Fight

by Christopher Gates on Mar 11, 2011 12:35 AM CST in Minnesota Vikings

Remember a couple of weeks ago when we posted the story that said that Pat Williams had said he was done fighting against his potential four-game B.S. suspension for the StarCaps mess, and Kevin Williams wasn't quite sure what he was going to do?

Well, it looks like that story apparently came from Opposite Land. . .because according to Chip Scoggins of the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, now Pat Williams is saying he's going to continue fighting against his suspension, and Kevin Williams is the one that's saying that he's had enough of the legal wrangling.

Make no mistake. . .it's still completely idiotic that either one of these two are going to face any sort of suspension at all, but losing Kevin Williams for four games obviously has a much more dramatic effect on this team than Pat Williams being suspended for four games, considering that Pat Williams has already said he's not going to be back in Minnesota anyway.

Herr Goodell will still get to arbitrarily enforce his league's performance enhancing substance policy against teams that he has a personal distaste for, simply because Kevin Williams is tired of fighting to clear his name after having it unnecessarily dragged through the mud.

Maybe part of the new CBA should include the appointment of a new commissioner. . .one that won't treat certain football teams like they're second-class entities.

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I'm confused about the Pat Williams thing

He say’s he’s not going to be in Minnesota, yet he wants to fight the suspension. What does this mean for us? It there a potential for getting some decent compensation from somebody for him? I have NO idea on this one and would really like to know. (Herr Goodell LOL)

by abba7 on Mar 11, 2011 12:50 AM CST reply actions

Pat Williams

is a FA. He’ll be free to seek employment with any other team once the CBA negotiations allow it, just like TJack.

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by KJSegall on Mar 11, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions

Goodell

Maybe part of the new CBA should include the appointment of a new commissioner

I’ll second that motion.

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by DCPurple on Mar 11, 2011 7:34 AM CST reply actions

About Mr. Goodbar

I’ll third that motion. I actually stuck up for Goodell up until the Williams Wall situation. Of course I’m biased, but the facts laid out in this case(also the court decisions) show that these guys are victims of a stupid and pathetic company not listing the ingredients on the product and there’s a reason that company is out of business now. Also, NFL, don’t act so high and mighty when YOU knew what was in the Supps and didn’t disclose that to players. I think the NFL has been actually trying to suspend people for that so that overall they can flex their muscles and “show” they are cleaning up the sports. (maybe trying to 1-up baseball??) Either way, I had Goodell’s back for the longest time until this happened because I appreciate the cleanup and the no-nonsense he’s shown with athletes getting into trouble. As we sit here today though, there’s just been too much inconsistency, which the “illegal hits” and suspensions, incredibly inconsistent fines for those “illegal hits”, and the overall wussening of the sport, I’m off that bandwagon. Here’s one vote for having Goodell replaced.

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by DM_Purp on Mar 11, 2011 8:23 AM CST up reply actions

Why do you think that Goodell has it in for the Vikings? Just because he’s been trying to enforce the suspensions of the Williams Wall?

Remember that he could have suspended Favre this year for that whole Sterger mess, but he didn’t.

Remember also that he could have suspended Allen a couple years ago for those low hits on QBs, but he let JA off with a warning.

So to say that Goodell has a personal distaste for the Vikes really doesn’t hold water. In fact, if he were to suddenly reverse positions and concede the Starcaps case, it could easily be argued that Goodell is biased toward the Vikings.

I’m not saying Goodell is a great commissioner….far from it. The flip-flopping with illegal hits this year was unbelievable (as well as the promoting of the Harrision poster you posted before, Chris). But I don’t think he treats us unfairly.

by Zoltan on Mar 11, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions

I hate to say it

but I agree. I don’t think Goodell really has it out for us. Yes, this StarCaps case is a HUGE blemish on his record as commisioner, and really on the NFL’s handling of this kind of matter in general. But don’t forget that Charles Grant and Will Smith (both Saints players at the time) are also embroiled in this, and if the NFL ever does get clearance to suspend the Williams’, then those two will also face four game suspensions. And you’ve gotta admit, the Saints are one of the ‘golden boys’ to the NFL.

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by KJSegall on Mar 11, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions

And I'm going to ask the same question

That I’ve been asking since the whole thing came to light.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/01/names-surface-of-players-who-used-starcaps-without-punishment/

CB Nate Clements
DE Marquise Hill
FB Patrick Pass
G Damien Woody
OT Vernon Carey
WR Jonathan Smith
FB Damion Shelton

You know what those seven guys had in common?

They all took StarCaps. They all popped positive for the same substance that the Williams Wall did.

You know what else they have in common?

Not one damn one of them received a suspension. Or a fine. Or so much as a slap on the wrist.

But by God, Roger Goodell has gone to the ends of the f’ing earth to make sure he gets Pat and Kevin Williams for this, hasn’t he?

I’ve been asking what makes the jerks on that list so special that they can take these things, hit a positive drug test, and not get in any sort of trouble at all, yet Pat and Kevin Williams are looking at four-game suspensions. I’ve been asking that ever since these suspensions originally came to light. And nobody has given me anything that even remotely resembles a logical, intelligent answer to that question.

Roger Goodell can kiss my ass, and if the NFL and the players don’t come to a labor agreement, I hope that’s finally sufficient reason to put the guy out on his ass and put somebody competent in his place instead.

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by Christopher Gates on Mar 11, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

Why is he so determined to suspend the Williamses?

Because they fought back. They fought back and they won, playing Goodell like a fool. Pat and Kevin Williams single-handedly (double-handedly?) undermined the authority of the top dog of the NFL, making him look weak. Goodell obviously can’t let this go since that would open the door for many future uprisings against whatever rulings he sends down. So Goodell pushes back with the weight of the league behind him. And here we are.

You know, if you think about it, Roger Goodell and Brad Childress are not so different.

But anyway, this is an isolated incident. Does Goodell really want to win this case? Absolutely. Does he begrudge the Vikings organization as a whole for what two of their players have done to him? I don’t think so.

by Zoltan on Mar 11, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions