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Lockout Could Jeopardize the Cash Players and Owners Are Fighting Over

All you clever and jaded sports fans out there will probably laugh at this, but I really held onto the hope that the two extensions the NFLPA and the owners agreed to meant we wouldn't see this CBA debacle make it into the courts where it has the potential to be a long, drawn-out process that will ass up the season. Nope, I optimistically thought that the extensions actually meant both sides wanted to avoid a lockout and work stoppage. That optimism seemed reasonable, after all, there are billions of dollars at stake that neither party will get if there is no NFL season in 2011.

But, just like my prediction that Adam Lambert would win American Idol, I was wrong.

Despite all the reasons why they shouldn't mess with a good thing, the players and owners are going to end up fighting things out in court. I have come to realize a couple things about court battles.

  1. Outcomes are not guaranteed.
  2. The lawyers are the real winners.

Essentially, the players and their union could slug it out in the legal system against the NFL owners only to get surprised by the outcome and receive less than they might have gotten if they had continued arbitration and reached a compromise.

For me, the real kicker in all of this is that they are fighting over $9 billion in revenues-money from the fans. NFL football fans are kind of in the position of the wealthy, invalid aunt in a murder mystery. She hears her relatives fighting over the inheritance she will be leaving when she dies as if her decision to leave her money to them is a foregone conclusion.

But it isn't.

If the responses, conversation, and debate regarding this issue are any indication, fans are getting pissed off. You don't have to be a business school graduate, or a captain of industry to recognize the danger in pissing off your customers. Fans, feeling angry and alienated by all the fighting between the players and owners, could decide to take their business elsewhere. For as wonderful as watching professional football is, the NFL aren't the only folks out there peddling football. College, arena, and even Canadian football could help fill the void that a lockout and shortened season could bring. It wouldn't be the same, but fans do have options and both players and owners should remember that.

Join me after the jump for more financial speculation and kvetching.

Star-divide

 

Back in college I suffered through a macro economics class. I don't know if it was the material or the awful professor, but it seemed pointless. Despite the professor's attempts to prove otherwise, economics isn't a pure science. In pure sciences you can isolate factors in a controlled environment to discern what is going on, why it is happening, and you can duplicate the results. But economics can't be studied in a controlled environment with isolated factors so you never really know what is going on or why and you might not be able to duplicate the results.

I took that jaunt down my academic Memory Lane to illustrate a point. The NFL players and the owners are fighting in court for rights to $9 billion in revenues, but they don't currently have $9 billion in revenues-they have the expectation of $9 billion in revenues. And, they expect to have $9 billion in revenues because either that is how much the NFL generated in revenues last year or because that is what their financial models project that they will earn next year. Either way, they are scrapping over rights to cash they do not have, much like the relatives of the rich, invalid aunt in my earlier analogy. But, the very fact that they are fighting alters the financial landscape.

When the NFL players and owners finally kiss and make up and decide how to share their $9 billion in projected revenues, there is no guarantee that they will actually have $9 billion in revenues to share. It goes back to economics and the niggling fact that economic models don't exist in a lab.

In pissing off me, you, and a whole lot of other football fans around the world, the NFL players and owners are jeopardizing the very thing they're fighting over--expected money from fans. Quite honestly, with as annoyed as fans are getting with the players and owners over the prospect of a lockout messing up the 2011 season, $9 billion in revenues seems optimistic.

We're still dealing with a crap economic environment in the United States. Crude oil prices are once again creeping up and so are foreclosures. People are out of work and worried about the future, but despite all of that, we've been willing to spend our cash on the NFL to the tune of $9 billion.

So what are the chances that we'll be inclined to continue spending at that rate after the NFL players and owners drag the game we love through the mud? Ah, now there's the $9 billion question.

Most fans will watch the NFL again when this mess finally clears the courts. We'll even go back to spending our hard-earned money on the NFL. However, the NFL might have more competition for fan attention and money than they had before the lockout, making fans might be more tightfisted.

Think I'm exaggerating? Okay, I probably am, but consider this--who wants to drop $100 on team gear and at least that much for a game ticket, parking, and concessions to watch players who you think are millionaire douche bags playing for teams owned by people who you think are billionaire douche bags? Who wants to share that with their kids? So games stop selling out and can't be shown on television in their local markets--not always, but more often than in the past. Eventually, there isn't as much cost-benefit for businesses to buy ad time during games. Then, it trickles down into merchandising. Since parents aren't taking their kids to games, kids don't buy posters of their favorite players or ask for jerseys for Christmas or wear hats with NFL team logos, they don't save their allowance for genuine NFL footballs and helmets. This is important because children, lacking any personal expenses, represent a significant amount of expendable income being infused into the American economy. And, because fans aren't identifying with players maybe they don't care so much about the latest edition of Madden so, after a good long run, the game is discontinued. Football's king status in sports entertainment wanes.

The point of that speculative supposition is that all those merchandising-related sales bring the NFL licensing revenue, which is highly lucrative because it gives them significant cash in-flow without representing an additional cost to the NFL, thus adding to revenue. Without the sales of licensed merchandise (hats, t-shirts, jerseys, jackets, sports gear, posters, games, etc.), that revenue stream from licensing fees dwindles. What was a $9 billion revenue stream at the start of this legal battle, may shrink significantly if bitter fans don't buy NFL merchandise at the same rate they did before. So, in disillusioning fans with a prolonged legal battle that could shorten the season, the NFL is actually risking devaluing its product.

Ramifications from this lockout have the potential to negatively impact the NFL's revenues for years to come because it erodes fan support for the sport. Who knows how long it could take fan support to recover?

Players and owners are not in the sports entertainment business to get poor, they want to make money. I don't fault them for that at all, it isn't like any of the rest of us are working to get poor either. This is America and we still hold the belief that if you work hard and create a great product you can be successful. And, as far as products go, the NFL has a great one--it is a product that crosses age, gender, and race boundaries to become wildly popular and highly lucrative. But when the flashing dollar signs get in the way of players and owners making a sound financial decision, to the point of potentially eroding the very thing they're fighting over, it seems...well, pointless.

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You all need to watch this Onion...

… video. Pretty much sums up what the owners feel. Not sure about the players. This is all just so idiotic.

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/video/nflpa-and-owners-reach-agreement-that-would-only-h,19676/

 The teams that get cities to tax their citizens to build a stadium for a team that gets locked out and doesn’t play should be forced to make up the tax dollars that fund the stadium. It’s bad enough they extort taxpayers, but then to turn around and possibly not even play is absurd.

UFL anyone?

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 15, 2011 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Great clip!

I don’t know what was wrong with my internet connection yesterday, but I was having trouble viewing that video. However, today it’s working like a dream and I’m so glad because that video was worth the wait. Sadly, it isn’t too hard to believe that the NFLPA and the owners really do hold fans in contempt.

Yes, I think I’m going to have to learn more about the UFL…

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could settle all this crap...

… if we could just kick the NFL habit for one year and boycott. Spend a year watching college football, UFL, rollerderby, whatever it takes, to get them to settle their differences and stop the extortion for corporate welfare.

At least you guys can do that, I probably will still watch the Vikings.

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 15, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I hear you there.

It would be nice to believe I’m stronger than this, but I’m really not. I can quit any time the Vikings let me.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give college football the time of day?

RIDICULOUS. The BCS is the worst thing in the world.

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Mar 15, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

College is getting ruined one NCAA “ruling” at a time. Newton and Tressel being the most recent slaps on the wrists.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they had any sense...

the NCAA would fix that bogus system NOW- give us what we want (a playoff system), and capitalize big time. I actually have a solution to the BCS/ playoff debate. Read on….

So, what I consistently hear is a major thing stopping the change is the fact that cities that host Bowl Games make big bucks off of that, and a playoff system could jeopardize that. Fair enough. But how about this- the NFL plays the Super Bowl in a predetermined site, without regard to what teams are actually competing. Why not just do something along these lines with the College Playoffs, but for EVERY playoff? Now, the problem is that this might lead to a lot of traveling for fans, but hey, it’s a start. Just keep the BCS games, but categorize them into playoff brackets. Such as:

Outback Bowl, Gator Bowl, Cotton Bowl, et al- ‘wild card’ and ‘divisional’ matchups.
Sugar Bowl, Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, et al- second ‘divisional’ matchups and ‘championships’ (ala NFC/AFC Championships).
Championship Bowl- well, championship (ala Super Bowl).

I use terms like wild card, divisional, and championship here just to reference the current NFL setup- I also figure there should be an extra week of playoffs, hence two ‘divisional’ matchups. The NCAA format obviously would use different terms as matchups may not necessarily be ‘divisional’ in nature.

Again, we use the general idea of having the Super Bowl in a place that has nothing to do with the competitors- just expand that idea with the NCAA format to the entire playoffs. Keep the bowl names for history’s sake and of course, keep the sponsors as I get that’s obviously a huge part of it. And yes, there is the potential downside of traveling all around if you want to follow your team through the playoffs- that could be a hitch, admitedly.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this

I’ve thought about a system like that too. It’s pretty simple really. You could televise those games on like Fridays and Saturdays to maximize exposure. They spread out the bowl season so much anyways. Why not have the playoffs last a few weeks. They could still even have ALL the teams that made the "playoffs’ come back for a January 1 bowl game against all the other teams that got beat out in the playoffs and just mix and match those teams by committee like they do right now. It would help build up to the championship game. This would actually ADD games. Plus, the sponsors still get their way. Who cares about teams not travelling. It’s for the playoffs. If they can’t find fans to go, then they should stop college ball all together

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed. One Idea:

Sat, Mar 19 @ Pittsburgh Power
Iowa Barnstormers’ first game this season
You can get almost front-row tickets(turf) for about $600 for 9 games($67/game). Or buy them individually for $75/game. Not too bad when you think about having a seat ON THE FIELD. The games are different, but awesome. I’m not a huge fan when they’re televised, but they’re awesome live and if you don’t want to spend the $$$ for tickets on the field, most arenas are small enough where you’ll absolutely NEVER have a bad seat. $15 is as low as they go. Take a family of 4 – $60 for tickets and have another $40 to blast in the concessions(i’m assuming those rates are pretty standard(expensive just like NFL). There’s $100 for an awesome night of good football action whereas an NFL game is looking at least about $500 for a family of 4. Plus, these guys are playing for about $20K per season(no egos, guys just trying to live their football dreams).

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a good value.

To be able to take a family of 4 to a sports event and not completely break the bank sounds like the sort of thing that will really resonate in this economy.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

WFA Anyone?

Don’t forget about Women’s Football! The WFA (Women’s Football Alliance) is starting it’s third season in just a few weeks. Your very own Minnesota Machine will kick off the season on April 9th at the Chicago Force.

WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine

by dthompson on Mar 15, 2011 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Congratulations on your third season!

May you have many more. Good luck on your coming season :)

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be down for that...

… if I still lived in Minnesota.

Man, judging by the roster, there are some pretty big girls on that team. I’m a guy and I’d be about the same size as the fullback. But some of those O-linegirls are HUGE.

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 15, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess same weight...

… but taller. It would be interesting to see a game.

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 15, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

TVs are going to have to show SOMETHING during the lockout. Maybe the WFA will get some exposure. I mean, hey- one of the sticking points with American Football ever being in the Olympics is the lack of a well-known, competitive women’s version. It could help the sport (not just the NFL, mind you) in the long run!

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do I read your tag right...

that you are a Wide Reciever, Corner Back, Punter, AND Kicker??? Jeeze, you are my hero!

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

☠★☪My dream, is to see the Minnesota Vi♛s win a superbowl. USA- the land were dreams come true. ☀ ツ This is our ۩۩house۩

by UnBannedVikingholic on Mar 15, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's true!

Although, this season we’ve got more players on our team, so my WR duties will likely be much, much less. Kicking and punting comes from my soccer background – played since I was 5. My career long FG is 37 yards.

WR, CB, K & P of the Minnesota Machine

by dthompson on Mar 16, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, glad to hear that your roster expanded! Especially since it sounds like you guys will have the monopoly on Minnesota’s football this season!

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 16, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not just sports

Sure, I’ll probably pay more attention to MLB and the NBA, but I’ll probably spend more time hanging out with friends and family and playing Dominion (especially after I get another expansion set or two). And probably more time dedicated to creative projects…I could definitely do without the NFL if they keep fighting.

by KC Viking on Mar 15, 2011 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

And you aren't alone.

I bet there are a whole lot of people who think like you do. The NFLPA and owners are exchanging more snotty barbs than there were in the movie Mean Girls. I can’t understand how they think that isn’t going to turn fans off.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The NFL is playing with fire.

If they get a full season going, then the effects will be minimal. But every day they miss a game it’s going to not only be catastrophic, but it’s also going to have long term effects. How have they (players and owners) not see this in both MLB (once the King of sports) and the NHL? The NFL benefitted tremendously from MLB’s decline- I would dare say that if not for their strikes, then MLB would still be a strong contender against the NFL at the top.

They think that we, the fans, will what- just twiddle our thumbs while waiting for the season? That’s just naivety. We will turn back to MLB or the NHL. Or we’ll turn more towards the NBA. (The NHL, with is relatively concurrent season as the NFL, stands to benefit the most.) Or, particularly in northern states, some fans may come to follow a CFL team. (For those of you who haven’t seen a CFL game, BTW, they’re pretty good!) And of course, don’t forget about NCAA- most fans have both a pro team and a college team. As of right now, loyalty probably for most is about 50/50. The longer it takes for the pro team to return, the more that percentage starts going 60/40, 70/30, 80/20…. in favor of college.

Another interesting tidbit that might really get up the NFL’s bugger (but not so much the players…)- with a lockout, players are free to find alternative employment. Guess where many might go? …the UFL. Of course they won’t be making the same money, and they’ll jump back to the NFL the second the lockout ends, but I imagine Cromartie needs to make those child support payments SOMEHOW. No, you won’t see Tom Brady or Peyton Manning chucking it around for the Florida Tuskers, but hey… you might see EJ Henderson or some other fan hero doing his thing with such a team. And what happens when the fans’ loyalty, attention, and as this post brought up- MONEY- becomes split between an NFL team and a UFL team? Again, the longer the lockout lasts, the more dramatic that’s going to be.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh competition...

Americans are world-class spenders who value entertainment just slightly above breathing. If the NFL mistakenly thinks we’ll sit idly by waiting for them to figure out how to share money they haven’t made yet, they really need to get their collective heads checked. We will sit idly by and watch something else, thank you very much. There are certainly enough options. Like you said, not only are there other football options, but there are also other sports all vying for our attention and cash. The longer this battle between players and owners drags out, the more opportunity we have to find a replacement for the NFL.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And with every missed game...

that’s more and more lost fans. On a multiplying factor, no less.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lifetime value

When I was in school the marketing classes made a big deal about the lifetime value of a customer, meaning a customer isn’t valued on just the purchase they make now but on the cash-flows they represent for their entire life. So, every NFL fan that gives up on the NFL represents a much greater revenue loss than would be represented on the NFL’s books over just one or two years. Honestly, in terms of marketing analysis, if the NFL truly loses fans because of this CBA debacle, it could take them a long time to regain the financial ground they have lost. Wow, didn’t anticipate using that marketing degree on DN.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, like seriously wtf is all this about fighting over $9 billion about?

Hell, SPLIT it down the middle, half go to the owners and the other half to the players. Gosh!

☠★☪My dream, is to see the Minnesota Vi♛s win a superbowl. USA- the land were dreams come true. ☀ ツ This is our ۩۩house۩

by UnBannedVikingholic on Mar 15, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

That would be

Extraordinarily unfair. Really?

Minimum salary would drop down to below $200,000. That’s a 33% decrease. For an industry that generates over 9 billion dollars in revenue, you think its fair to suddenly take a 33% cut in a growing industry because an arbitrary 50-50 split sounds fair? For someone without a lot of prospects and an average of 3 and a half years without retirement benefits, that’s terrible. Why would you consign 1200 people to take the same cut that would give them the percentage that people in equipment heavy industries make? They are not an equipment heavy industry by any means. They are the labor.

The current… (old)… CBA sounds pretty fair to me. Why not just extend that?

The owners would just love your proposal.

by Arif Hasan on Mar 15, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

True...extend the most recent CBA

OR maybe just apply an addendum that has something in there for rookie wage scales and a retirement fund. Have the $ saved from rookie contracts applied to the retirement fund.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

One version of a "Boycott"

Get the word out for everyone to go buy a Purple shirt and wear that to the games. If we filled the stadium with purple shirts(maybe $5 at a retail store) and no jerseys, no NFL t-shirts. No hats. Nothing the NFL makes $$ off of. I think that could spread across the league and do that for an entire year: I think the owners/players will start to pay attention.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Not a bad idea, but...

by the time we could fill stadiums, the lockout will have ended. The players and owners might pay attention and have regrets, but the whole deal will be done. And by the time this ever rears its ugly head again, everyone will have forgotten about that. I mean, if they forgot what happened to the MLB…

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

not necessarily

They could still play games without a new CBA in place. I think that’s how it was done in the early 90s. There was like 2 or 3 years where there was no CBA, then they settled with the most recent CBA that just expired. I might be wrong about that. Maybe boycott anyways to show the NFL that it’s going to hurt their pockets EVERYTIME they jerk us(the fans) around like this. It’s a way of showing that we DO have a voice and that we CAN come together and show the NFL that we don’t need all the merchandise to enjoy football, but we DO buy it because we WANT to, not because they have a collar and a leash attached to each one of us. That’s the point I’d like to get across (lockout or no lockout). And also, tell them " The next time you both want to use us as a PR ragdoll to jerk around….NOBODY will get paid". I’m not stupid, I understand the NFL is going to be around a long time, but we almost HAVE to show these people that we will not be taken for granted like this. The problem: there’s too many people that will celebrate and act like nothing ever happen and probably actually praise the NFL and the players for getting it straightened out. That’s a load of crap. There’s absolutely ZERO reasons that I should hear even one of them(players/ owners/Goodell/anyone who represents/affiliated with the NFL) talk praises about getting a deal done without hearing an APOLOGY to the fans.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with apologies...

Is that they are seen as an admission of guilt. What do you suppose the chances are that the NFLPA or the owners would cop to having done anything wrong?

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there will be a season without a CBA.

In the 90’s, there wasn’t a lockout or an attempt. Unfortunately, there is this time.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Mar 15, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh. by the way....

i thought adam lambert was going to win also.

by indianavikesfan on Mar 15, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Seriously

Lambert was definitely the favorite so it was pretty surprising that Chris Allen won.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 15, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really sure how to read this

If i read this right, then at it’s very very very simplest, the owners and the players are arguing over how to split the pot and what’s fair?
It seems, therefore, that the best way for the fans to show their displeasure is to hit both parties in the pocket…..but how do you do this as a fan without ‘cutting your noses off to spite your face’?
I reckon that both the owners and the players will have seen what happened to the NHL and the MLB and their resultant market share/TV Revenue/profit streams. This seems to me to suggest that both parties are confident enough in their product that they are prepared to run the risk of having a truncated season and a large amount of negative press.
They must be very confident cos at the mo they’re arguing about how to divvy up $9Billion….if they’ve mis-read the situation then they could be arguing very soon about how to divvy up considerably less, which is poor business sense from all parties, and the owners didn’t get rich by being poor businessmen (i’m assuming that point!).

So….what to do?

by dropdeadhomer on Mar 15, 2011 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I usually go to a couple games each year

Sorry state of Minnesota, I usually bring my $$ and spend on other stuff while up there too. Sorry Downtown DoubleTree, not going to make it this year. Sorry Joe Sensor’s. I love that bar, despite all the Nebraska hooligans in there on a Saturday(go there to watch the Iowa game). Sorry Canterbury, gonna have to lose my $$ somewhere else.

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no apologies for...

the NFL because you’re all loaded as hell and if you don’t want my $$, that’s fine. I’ll take it elsewhere. Oh, one last apology: sorry to all the workers who work at the dome/parking/concessions/security. You all do a hell of a job(some stand outside in the freezing cold all day long and probably get paid squat.)

Skol!

by DM_Purp on Mar 15, 2011 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol, being a resident of Wisconsin, I tend not to have much optimism about opposite sides behaving cooperatively during disagreements these days …

by puddnhead on Mar 17, 2011 12:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I can see how that would be :)

Shoot, you may have to put GPS collars on your legislators so you can track them down.

Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin

by Skol Girl on Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

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