Did I Mention That Leslie Frazier Really Wants To Draft A Quarterback?
by Christopher Gates on Mar 22, 2011 11:26 AM CDT
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PrintWell, if I didn't, I probably should have, because all of the indications coming out of Minnesota are saying that Coach Frazier might be married to the concept of drafting a quarterback in the first round, and definitely within the first two rounds.
According to Pro Football Talk, Frazier has said that the team would, ideally, like to take a quarterback in the first two rounds of this year's draft.
Frazier: "I can’t imagine a scenario where we wouldn’t add a quarterback (in the draft) at some point. ... Ideally" in 1st or 2nd. #Vikings
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Now that's not a big deal. . .most of us have been saying that all along. The problem lies with the fact that Frazier has also, apparently, said that he would not be adverse to trading up from the number twelve pick in the draft in order to get his quarterback.
Quite frankly, I don't see how that would happen or why the team would want to do that. The team has a lot of holes that need to be filled, and they're already without a third-round selection, so I'm not sure what they'd use to move up in any event. In addition, the only two quarterbacks the team would probably have to trade up to get would be Blaine Gabbert and Cam Newton, neither of which I'm particularly enamored with.
I've been on record as saying that, in this year's draft, I actually feel that the quarterbacks that would likely be available to the Vikings in the second round. . .guys like Andy Dalton, Christian Ponder, and Ricky Stanzi. . .would be a much better idea than the guys that are allegedly coming out with first round grades like Gabbert, Newton, and Jake Locker. (I'm honestly not sure where Ryan Mallett falls at this point, but I'd prefer him to Gabbert, Newton, and Locker, too.) As much as the Vikings might like to trade up, I don't see it as being that feasible a possibility, unless you want to get into the possibility of dealing next year's picks, which is something else I would rather not see happen.
Frazier also didn't rule out the possibility of trading for someone like Philadelphia's Kevin Kolb if the opportunity came along, saying that the Vikings would have to consider such a thing if he became available. However, the rumor is that the Eagles already have an offer for a first-round pick on the table for Kolb. . .so much for not talking during the lockout. . .and that it's rumored to be the Seattle Seahawks that have made that offer to the Eagles. I'm still of the mindset that the number twelve pick is a little too much for Kolb's services, largely because he's still unproven for the most part and, since he only has one year remaining on his rookie contract, would require a sizable contract extension as well. I don't think I'd be particularly jazzed about backing up an armored truck full of money up to the house of a guy that's thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in his career to this point. . .but I don't run the Minnesota Vikings, either.
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Interesting search engine stuff
When you Google Blaine Gabbert, I’ve discovered there is a Gabbert’s Furniture store near Blaine, Minnesota. What this means I don’t know. But I’m not overly enthusiastic about any of this draft class except maybe Mallet, or Dalton or Stanzi in the second round. Trading up? Not too sure about that as we have a whole host of needs.
Agreed
I’m on board for Dalton or Stanzi and maybe Ponder, but everyone else has me a little nervous.
I have to believe that the trade up talk
is pre-draft subterfuge. Frazier isn’t a dumb guy, and he knows there are a lot of holes that need to be filled, and right now the draft is the only way to do that.
With the 12th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...
I wouldn't think trading up would make Frazier a 'dumb guy?'
Mark Sanchez, mocked a 1st round guy. Most mocks had him going picks 8-10 (a vary likely landing spot for Gabbert). BUT, as we all know Rex Ryan (the pretty intellegient man he is) trades up to the #5 spot. They traded their first two picks (17 and 57) plus QB Brett Ratliff, DE Kenyon Coleman and S Abram Elam. They’ve been aggressive in the FA and filled holes. Don’t see why we couldn’t do the same?? I wouldn’t be the least bit sad either. Gabbert’s pro day and workouts have been compared to Matt Ryan.
Sounds good to me.
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by Macdaddy4508 on Mar 22, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor choice of words on my part
Not saying Frazier is dumb or that it would be dumb to move up, but it would be smarter to stay put or even move down and try and recoup the third round pick to help fill as many needs as possible.
No free agency and no trades are really making this draft even more critical than the draft usually is, and with the draft as the only way to fill needs, I would think that the Vikes are really looking to move down and accumulate picks as opposed to moving up and losing even more picks, although they say otherwise.
With the 12th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...
The only case I could see a move up is if...
Frazier and Spielman are totally in love with Gabbert (or Newton, that was hard to type).
I mentioned it elsewhere that I am willing to bet that Frazier isn’t about to put himself into “QB Limbo” as did his predecessor. Frazier has experience starting a program from scratch. He knows how to prioritize. If he feels that this team needs a franchise QB now, then I would not be surprised if he moved up to get that QB as long as the feel the right QB is there to get.
I know from a fan’s perspective that we’d like to see all the team needs addressed in one single draft. Well that likely won’t happen either way.
It is going to be interesting.
"I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it."
Move down works...
Too many GOOD QBs in this draft to trade up. Too many Vets out there in possible FA to trade up….Would love to recoup the 3rd rounder and pick of one of the other QBs after getting a good CB or Oline guy to help protect whomever we toss back there. Every draft ive seen since day 1 has Dallas snagging Prince, but I can dream. And im sure im crazy there, but I would love a GOOD CB that doesnt flash a glock :)
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The problem with comparing those two
is that the Jets had the opportunity to use players in their attempt to move up. We don’t. And sans a third already, we don’t have a lot left to give up. Swap first rounders in exchange for second and one of our fourths… then what? (And that would be a generous deal from the other teams’ side.) That leaves us out, aside from that first rounder, from half of the draft. Not a position this team needs to be in.
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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Trading up makes NO sense to me (speaking as someone who keeps up on the Vikings pretty closely). The team is in a quasi rebuilding phase (meaning they can be competitive while restocking the team) so trading up is NOT the right move. Trading DOWN is a smart move though if you don’t like what you see. Unless there is a guy they are gaga over, you just don’t do it.
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It's anyone's guess
The Vikes have been notoriously vague on draft preferences aside from Chilly’s trip to Percyland.
by Jepp The Viking on Mar 22, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
Ehhh
What happened to the “not tipping your hat” crap?
Or the entire article from some “sports guy” about the fact Minn’s history has them not only with no real contact, but no real pointing to whom they are going to take in the draft…
And now a few days later we have a twit, yes the pun in there for a reason, saying they want a QB round 1 or 2…
Part of me say DUH, but putting it in print is kinda um why?
This is all ment in direction of the article and twit NOT the OP at all :)
And YES i know its a TWEET, i really dont care, i hate them all :)
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Funny how
Vince Young’s name no longer pops up anymore.
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Maybe
Because they Titans are still seesawing with him. Their is still talk that they arent going to get rid of him. Hes not asking to leave Tenn, they having 100% dropped him yet.
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Yeah, especially with Fisher out
and owner Bud Adams reportedly loves Vince.
With the 12th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...
Id love to see how VY does without Fisher since im very guilty of blaming his problem on his inability to get along with Fisher. And if hes still being a douche about stuff and having the same issues, ill have to shut up and blame him then :)
Id rather see him do well, but I can admit it MAY be him :P
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But...
has Adams effectively burned his bridge with VY already? I mean, he did chose Fisher over him first. Just because Fisher left now doesn’t mean the bad taste of that has left Young’s mouth.
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Trade With Bengals?
Why not give Bengals our (Vikings) 1 round pick for Carson Palmer and their 35 pick? Just a thought (Dream)? If we draft a QB, I hope it will be Collin Kaepernick in 2nd round! He has better stats in College then Payton Manning had! I dont know why but I really beleive in this guy! I saw a football science show with this guy and it blew me away! Otherwise the Vikings need an OL, CB, WR!
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I don't think moving back
25 spots for Palmer is a good move.
With the 12th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...
I agree
Thats a huge gamble on a guy that has a solid 3 years left in him with us still wanting to draft a QB to learn from him.
Now I do agree about Kaeper, maybe not my fav, but hes one i wouldnt mind ending up with. I like the older kids with numbers on their shoulders.
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Misdirection
Coach Frazier and the Vikings don’t want to tell the rest of the world or NFL teams what their draft strategy is going to be, so I don’t really trust any of the information that is coming out right now. We know the Vikings have a lot of needs to address with the draft, and we know that the draft is fast approaching. Other than that…we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. Considering how careful and cagey teams are about their draft strategies, the idea of Coach Frazier confiding in the media just smacks of misdirection.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
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Precisely
Even if this is their plan, you shouldn’t read into anything a coach says this time of year.
Maybe it's his plan...
and he’s tricking us all into thinking it’s NOT his plan. Brilliant! Ooooor, maybe it’s not his plan but he’s tricking us into thinking its not his plan, but figuring that we’ll decide that it’s really his plan cuz he could just be tricking us into thinking it’s not. Oooor….
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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If the rumor is true about Seattle
Then, maybe the Vikings could get Matt Hassleback, or even carson Palmer, to be a stop gap QB, to teach either webb or the rookie we will be drafting this year
Probably.
There are conflicting reports- some say they were close, some say miles away. Regardless, as much as I’d prefer him, I’ve given up on Palmer. The question is, if Hasslebeck really does become a FA, how much $ will he want? That worries me, because obviously whatever Seattle offered wasn’t enough.
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I thought they didnt...
My understanding was Seattle didnt offer him squat….They were fine with him leaving.
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I wouldn't have a problem with a year of Hasselbeck
He seems like the kind of guy that knows he’s only got another year or two left and would be pretty helpful in bringing a young guy along for a year before turning over the reins.
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by Christopher Gates on Mar 23, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
They need a young QB
Listen after being a Packers aka a NFC North fan for years and years it is PAINFULLY obvious that the Vikings need to get (not draft but get) a young QB.
Here is proof that they need to stop picking up old cast offs from other teams
1990 Rich Gannon (12) / Wade Wilson (4) 5512
1991 Rich Gannon (11) / Wade Wilson (5) 56
1992 Rich Gannon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) 5758
1993 Jim McMahon (12) / Sean Salisbury (4) 5913
1994 Warren Moon† (15) / Sean Salisbury (1) 6014
1995 Warren Moon† (16) 61
1996 Warren Moon† (8) / Brad Johnson (8) 6215
1997 Brad Johnson (13) / Randall Cunningham (3) 6316
1998 Randall Cunningham (14) / Brad Johnson (2) 64
1999 Jeff George (10) / Randall Cunningham (6) 6517
2000 Daunte Culpepper (16) 6618
2001 Daunte Culpepper (11) / Todd Bouman (3) / Spergon Wynn (2) 676869
2002 Daunte Culpepper (16) 70
2003 Daunte Culpepper (14) / Gus Frerotte (2) 7120
2004 Daunte Culpepper (16) 72
2005 Daunte Culpepper (7) / Brad Johnson (9) 73
2006 Brad Johnson (14) / Tarvaris Jackson (2) 7419
2007 Tarvaris Jackson (12) / Kelly Holcomb (3) / Brooks Bollinger (1) 757677
2008 Gus Frerotte (11) / Tarvaris Jackson (5) 78
2009 Brett Favre (16) 7921
2010 Brett Favre (13) / Tarvaris Jackson (1) / Joe Webb (
Last time they struck young it was Daunte Culpepper and that seemed to work out pretty well for them. I mean come on Jim McMahon in 93?!!?? He was doing the Superwalker shuffle by than.
Not that I need the Vikings to get a QB and become a strong team for the next decade or so but the cards are on the table and another end of carrier QB is not what the Vikings need now.
by greenbay packers backer on Mar 24, 2011 12:05 AM CDT reply actions
Vikings- Carson Palmer?
The Bengals have a problem on their hands! Do they let Carson Palmer retire or try to get something for him? If I were the Bengals, I would trade him! Vikings need a franchise QB! The Vikings should give the Bengals their first round pick for Palmer and Bengals 35th pick (early second round)! This way Bengals get pick 3 and 12 in first round and can sign a young QB plus a topp player of their needs! Vikings solve QB problem and give Joe Webb more time plus 2 early second round picks! If this is plausable i don`t know, but it`s a nice thought! Viking Fan Forever!
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