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An Even More Accurate System Of Grading College Quarterbacks?

Gotta give a hat tip to the folks at our Carolina Panthers blog, Cat Scratch Reader, for finding this one.

We talked previously about the Parcells rules for drafting quarterbacks coming out of college, as well as the 26-27-60 rule for the same thing. Well, a man named R.C. Fischer has hit on a formula that has proven to be more successful in terms of finding busts and quarterbacks that have worked out long term. . .a success rate that checks in at about 70 percent.

Read on after the jump to find out more, including the name of the guy that, according to Mr. Fischer's formula, might be the best quarterback in the 2011 NFL Draft.

Just a hint on that last one. . .nobody is going to guess who that person is, and hopefully you're sitting down when you see the name.

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Mr. Fischer's formula is based on the physical attributes and college careers of six elite NFL quarterbacks. . .Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers. He then examined what those quarterbacks had in common, and used that as the baseline by which to measure college quarterbacks by. He found a few common factors, as follows directly from his site:

KEY MATCHUPS – the first thing I do is throw out ridiculous games (which typically leads to ridiculous results) or in other words, throw out games/stats against horrible teams on their schedule. We look at only logical games (to not be subjective on that, we just look at games against teams with winning records), which reduces the sample of a season to somewhere between 6-10 games for any QB. We only look at games played in their final year, not the entire body of work.

WEIGHTED MATCHUPS – playing big games on the road, playing top teams (and/or defenses) in the college ranks within their season, that’s worth looking at harder. I use strength of opponent for judging an individual games value for statistically rating a QB. A matchup against a Top-10 team is worth a lot more "weight" than their matchup against a 6-6 barely qualified for a Bowl Game matchup.

PEFORMANCE PER ATTEMPT – A 300-yard passing game in 30 pass attempts, is that not similar to a 200-yard passing game in 20 attempts?…or more to the point a 400-yard game in 40 attempts? It's all still 10 yards per pass attempt? For that matter 2 passing TDs in 20 Pass Attempts is the essentially the same performance as 3 passing TDs in 30 Pass Attempts. Colt Brennan and Graham Harrell should not have an advantage over Tom Brady because they throw 40+ times a game and compile bigger stats. We look at Passing yards, Passing TDs and INTs through the lens of the number of completions and attempts...not game compilations. Quality, not quantity.

PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS – Height, Hand-size, arm length are some items we look at. Speed plays no factor. Do any of the elite NFL QBs of today exude any big speed? Mobility is not a characteristic of most/all elite QB (please no Michael Vick yet, we’ll get to that).

WONDERLIC/IQ – an unavoidable and a key data point we have access to on basic IQ and problem solving. There is a definite correlation to low Wonderlic scores and QB disappointment.

The dividing line between the great quarterbacks and the ones that don't make it is a score of .850. A score of .850 or higher means that a quarterback is "on the map of being a very good NFL starter, with a chance of being "elite." A score of .849 or below is what Mr. Fischer labels as "bust" territory. Of the 16 quarterbacks that have scored .850 or above in Mr. Fischer's system, 12 of them have proven to be very good NFL quarterbacks - a 75% success rate. Of the 43 quarterbacks that fall into the "bust zone," only 7 or 8 have proven to be any good - a greater than 81% chance of being a bust if you score below .849.

Now, I know that a lot of folks aren't into mathematical mumbo jumbo and so forth. . .but I'm damn sure not going to argue with a success rate like that.

If you want to see the list of quarterbacks that ranks below .849, click on the link above, because it's pretty sizable. This list, on the other hand, are the quarterbacks that rank above .850. You can click on the picture to see it in a much larger size.

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As you can see, the .850 line pretty much shows who the good quarterbacks from the last few drafts have been. The four that are questionable at this point?

-Byron Leftwich, who was a pretty decent quarterback who couldn't stay healthy early in his career
-Alex Smith, who got jerked around a lot in San Francisco
-Kevin Kolb, who may or may not fall under that heading (not enough data)
-Tony Pike(!?), who hasn't seen any NFL playing time

Other than that, the rest of those guys have been pretty good quarterbacks.

Thus far, Mr. Fischer has run four of this year's top quarterback prospects through these metrics, and here's what he's come up with thus far:

Blaine Gabbert - Score of .559, which would put him right between Brady Quinn and John David Booty on the chart.

Jake Locker - Score of .262, approximately the same score as Tim Tebow and Dan LeFevour

Ryan Mallett - Score of .738, which would put him right in between Ryan Leaf and Matt Ryan (could there be a bigger contrast there?)

And then there's the guy that, if these metrics are to be believed, might be the best quarterback in the draft class of 2011. Not Cam Newton. . .not Colin Kaepernick. . .not Christian Ponder. . .remember, I said you should probably be sitting down for this. . .

How's about Ricky Stanzi?

Yes, Ricky freaking Stanzi.

By Mr. Fischer's metrics, Stanzi clocks in at a 1.012. That gives him a higher score than Mark Sanchez, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Matt Schaub, and Joe Flacco. Stanzi had a pretty good senior year at Iowa. . .64.1% completion rate, 3,004 yards, and an outstanding TD-to-INT ratio of 25/6. So far, everything I've heard about Stanzi tabs him as a third or fourth round prospect.

If Mr. Fischer's metrics are as accurate as they appear to be, the Vikings would be well-served to grab him a whole lot sooner than that.

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Wow! This is way cool

A very intriguing read for sure. My dad has been talking non stop about Stanzi as a Viking for the last 6 months (He’s a Hawkeye fan, made the transition after the Gophers started to suck) and I’ve been telling him all about Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert but maybe I will finally have to give the old man credit.

What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your entire rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Mar 7, 2011 12:08 AM CST reply actions  

Last year, I sat at the VT Spring Game checking my phone every 5 minutes hoping the Vikings would draft Tony Pike….and it never happened obviously. Good to know that there are some metrics (in development) that could point to him being a good QB.

Also, I have no idea how he developed this, but wow. I never like stats that are skewed by “ridiculous” games or poor opponents. This guy might be onto something and it is certainly something to check out each year.

Finally, where does Andrew Luck fall on this chart?

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by blackjackfishtaco on Mar 7, 2011 12:12 AM CST reply actions  

Crap, forgot this one thought. Ricky Stanzi just wins.

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by blackjackfishtaco on Mar 7, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

He actually mentions Luck

http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/QB_College-QB-Vers1.0_2-17-2011.htm

Currently Sam Bradford is the highest rated QB we had, but I couldn’t help running Andrew Luck through this system. Luck projects as the highest score I would have loaded into the system to date, if last season was his last and he was jumping to the NFL. More on Luck, and all the 2011 incoming QBs upcoming.

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by Christopher Gates on Mar 7, 2011 12:38 AM CST up reply actions  

And for the continuing Locker supporters:

Stop it. I haven’t been alone in saying he will in all likelihood be a bust, but maybe this will give the supporters a bit more to feel uneasy about.

I’ve never been a fan of the idea of Locker coming to the Vikings, and even less so of a fan of him coming to the Vikings at pick #12. Again, this system isn’t fool proof, and I understand that, but it doesn’t leave a whole lot of room to feel comfort about the kid either.

I wish Locker well, but for the love of God, keep him out of purple! :-P

by Amir Ghasemi on Mar 7, 2011 12:54 AM CST reply actions  

So when Jake Locker goes to the Pro Bowl

That’s really going to mess up this chart. And when Ricky Stanzi is a career backup, this chart will stand as a testament to not believing your own eyeballs.

Once again, I yelled at the TV when the Vikings passed on Dan Marino. If they pass on Locker, I won’t yell; I’ll just turn the TV off.

by jimbo55403 on Mar 7, 2011 4:54 AM CST reply actions  

You got one thing right...

Ricky Stanzi will be a career backup. He doesn’t have the arm to start. He’s somewhat like Chad Pennington on that list… I don’t know if he’s as good of a decision maker though so I don’t think he’ll be quite as good as Chad.

Jake Locker. He’s garbage. His completion percentage is off the charts. Off the charts bad. I will throw both shoes through the TV if we DO draft him. Then I won’t have to turn it off. It is an insult to Dan Marino’s name to compare him to Jake Locker. Please take that back? :)
Honestly though, they aren’t anywhere near the same QB

by mak07 on Mar 7, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Dan Marino never threw for 60% in college (57%, a whole 3% more than the “off the charts bad” Locker, and Marino’s career NFL comp % is 59%) and like Locker, was considered in the top tier of quarterbacks, but not the top prospect in that tier. So I guess besides that, and all the intangibles they share, such as leadership and athletic talent, they are nothing alike.
These systems remain flawed as Grime and others point out in comments further down. They keep trying to use the tangible to prove the intangible, math to prove/disprove God, or use science to describe a piece of art. All fall short of truly grasping what they are trying to determine because they rely solely on stats.
I said this in a previous post like this: In high school, you can win tons of awards and accomplishments which can help you get into the college of your choice. Once you are in that college, however, those awards and accomplishments don’t mean anything. Over your time in college, you can earn even more awards and accomplishments which can help you get a job out of college. Once you have that job, however, you have to start over once again because those things you did in college no longer matter. All these prospects, no matter the position, are going to be asked to do different things then what they were doing in college so what they accomplished in college doesn’t directly translate to what they are going to do in the NFL. Its nice to see production, but like the combine, its a small percent of the whole picture when projecting them to the NFL.

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by Josh_D on Mar 7, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand, and I don't walk around with my Degree at work.

There’s a reason you have to turn in your resume when applying for a job. They want to know not only what you bring to the table, but what “accomplishments” you’ve earned along the way to show that you are in fact capable of doing all of the things your resume says you can do. I agree though, success at college doesn’t always translate into success at the NFL. Although there are some great college QBs that don’t pan out in the NFL, there aren’t hardly any shitty QBs in college that become studs in the pros though. Locker just seems like another Tim Tebow(who isn’t a complete castoff yet) but has a short leash in the NFL. We are all well-informed of Tebow’s issues and he’s worked as hard as he can at fixing that. It may be a matter of “when” and not “if” with Tebow. And Tebow was a stud with stats AND winning in college, something Locker simply cannot say(about either).

by DM_Purp on Mar 7, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Like I said, the resume (accomplishments,etc) can help you get the job, but once you have that job, your employers don’t care about whats was on your resume, but what you are doing currently at that job. If you lose that job or apply for a better one, they don’t go back and look at the first resume you put in, but what is new on your resume and what you have been doing since college/last job. As years move along, the people reading the resume care less about what you were doing 5 or even 2 years ago and more about what you have done in the past year. Once these prospects get to the NFL its not going to matter what they did on the field in college.
It would seem we kind of agree on that, but the rest has me confused. In one sentence you say Tebow “isn’t a complete castoff yet” and in the next imply that its a matter of “when” and not “if” he becomes a stud QB. How can he be bordering on “complete castoff” status and its just a matter of time before he is a NFL stud? Those statements completely contradict each other and as far as it being a matter of “when”, not “if” is in the eye of the beholder. He has yet to show he can lead a team to a winning record over the course of a full season (1-2 in three starts) and it is highly debatable that he will ever be a good NFL QB to the point even the Bronco organization has said several times that Orton will still start, not exactly a show of faith in Tebow. I also think its ironic that you use Tebow as a reason Locker should have a short leash in the NFL while at the same time trying to build Tebow as the next great QB using his stats and “winning” as a reason why, while a few thoughts before you also state that some great (i.e. big stats and lots of wins) college QBs don’t pan out. Too many contradictions in your response, so I am not sure what you are trying to say or how to continue the dialogue other than to reiterate that college stats and wins don’t matter once you get to the NFL so basing your judgments on players based on stats and wins isn’t a smart way to go about projecting players from college to the NFL.

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by Josh_D on Mar 7, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

What more do we have to go off of?

We HAVE to go off of wins and stats right now. We have to look at the opponents these QBs have faced over the years. I understand that in a few years that’s all going to go away and not matter anymore. I was just trying to make an argument against Jake Locker. I want to get on his bandwagon, but I don’t have anything to hold onto. He didn’t have much success in college. His stats don’t really show that he’s that great of a QB. That’s the only point I was trying to make. As far as Tebow goes, I definitely didn’t make my point clear there and I apologize for that. All I was trying to say is that I don’t think he’s going to be a very good QB, but some people think it’s just a matter of time and that he’s a developmental project. I was trying to compare the two in the sense that they’re both athletic, both have apparent mechanic/throwing issues, and people thought it was stupid to draft Tebow(possibly the most successful QB of all time in college). I don’t know what Tebow will turn out to be just like I don’t know what Locker will turn out, but I think Locker’s a huge risk to draft.

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by DM_Purp on Mar 7, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

this is all very nice but

so much goes into being a successful nfl qb that isnt in these numbers. besides physical skills, mental toughness, work ethic, so much depends on the team that drafts you. what system does the team run? will they adapt to your skills? can the coaches develop the qb? will they put talent around the qb? etc. in all the cases the qb was not expected to carry the team. Ryan, bradford have stong running games. Flacco and big ben have strong defenses. Rodgers got to sit 3yrs behind a hall of fame qb while the gm rebuilt the team. how differnent would the outcome be if rodgers had gone to SF and smith to the packers? What if big ben had gone to the lions or flacco to carolina?

 you can’t put a number on the value of a good qb coach. look at micael vick. he never would have been in the mvp conversation without andy reid working with him to make him a pocket passer. out of colt mccoy, claussen and tebow, Mccoy has the better first year with holmgren then tebow under mcdaniels or claussen under fox.

by FlFan on Mar 7, 2011 7:21 AM CST reply actions  

McDaniels and Fox

No longer even work with those teams. They are also the #1 and #2 picks in the draft. Holmgren wasn’t the coach last year for the Browns. Stop trying to throw out names to make your argument. Mangini was the COACH, so give HIM the credit. Also, from a glance, Clausen probably had the best season, but Tebow only started 2? games. He was sitting behind top 5? passer in the league last year in Orton. Hard to get intot he lineup, but thye used him aruond the goalline and he actually capped a lot of drives w/ a TD.

by DM_Purp on Mar 7, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I have Loved watching Stanzi the last few years at Iowa

I surre hope he makes it to purple.
I wonder how Webb would have scored on the chart?

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by just another viking on Mar 7, 2011 7:44 AM CST reply actions  

A rough look

I was wondering where Joe Webb would rate against this scale too. I do not have all of the information to run the formula, i.e. like Joe’s Wonderlic score or even if he took the test, but looking at his senior year stats [and all of his college stats] found that he won’t make the above the line list. He would be respectably close however.

His senior year passing stats:
Age # GP Comp Att % Yds TD INT TD% INT% Y/G Y/A RAT
23 0 12 162 271 59.8 2299 21 8 7.7 3.0 191.6 8.5 150.7

Of course this doesn’t take his 1,427 yards rushing and extra 11 TDs that brought to the table, but the author would probably think that is an exception just like with Micheal Vick.

Webb would qualify under the Parcells method, but not on the 26-27-60 method. So I concluded that Webb could be respectable but falls under the bust line but over .450.

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by Luft Krigare on Mar 7, 2011 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

interesting analysis

But a word of caution. Looking at what he’s done it seems like he took successful QB’s in the NFL and picked the data sets that made the most sense to him. He didn’t pick data sets and then look at them for validity he took the answer and made up the best question he could.

Hate to say it but this is not a valid way of working statistics. Mostly because you don’t understand the problem enough to realize if the data points you are using are valid or not. I know not a lot of people on here deal with math much but reverse engineering statistical data is almost foolhardy in it’s complexity.

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by Grime on Mar 7, 2011 8:21 AM CST reply actions  

flawed system

completely agree, Grime. this is my biggest problem with the analysis:

KEY MATCHUPS – the first thing I do is throw out ridiculous games (which typically leads to ridiculous results) or in other words, throw out games/stats against horrible teams on their schedule. We look at only logical games (to not be subjective on that, we just look at games against teams with winning records), which reduces the sample of a season to somewhere between 6-10 games for any QB. We only look at games played in their final year, not the entire body of work.

that’s like considering a C-average student who Aced all of their courses their senior year for the Valedictorian award (however, those A’s in Gym and Art will be thrown out, because those A’s are ridiculous).

out of curiosity, what would Locker’s score have been based on his junior year?? ya know, when he was in the mix for the #1 overall pick?? probably a polar opposite from his .262 score.

i also love how there’s “not enough data” to gauge whether or not we can label Kolb good or bad — but 6 games in the final year of a player’s college career is enough to determine the probability of success in the NFL…??

sorry, i just can’t get on board with this ‘formula’.

by rj-b on Mar 7, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

# of Games

I agree that there needs to be a substantial number of games in which to judge the player’s body of work. 6 is probably too small a set, but 10 would be better.

On the other hand, going back for the ‘body of work’ for a young guy who’s going through huge growth and changes doesn’t make much sense to me either. If it did, why stop at his college record, maybe we should look at his Pee Wee Football League stats too.

I’m mainly concerned with the final year of college, and hopefully the guy has enough on him so we can see who’s he’s become, not who he was.

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by DCPurple on Mar 7, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

you still run into problems...

…which is why i brought up Locker. his senior season was a step down from his junior year, sure — does that mean his development has completely stopped, and he’ll only get worse from here on out??

Fischer may have taken the time to weigh the matchups, but much of what he ignored is fairly important. what if you had a superstar player who started four years in college, had Heisman-caliber seasons his first three years, then had a miserable senior year?? what if it was due to injury that he played through?? what if the talent around him was piss-poor?? Fischer’s data doesn’t account for that — admittedly it would be difficult for any prediction-based system to weigh those factors, but if your entire formula is predicated on one season (and not a full one, at that), it ought to make an attempt to address or explain why a player’s resulting score could be low.

a large sample size, to me, is one of the most (if not the most) important factor when determining how good a player is on paper. the final year in college is certainly ‘more’ important, but it’s more relevant when you consider it within the entire body of work.

by rj-b on Mar 7, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

an argument for a student in his Sr year

I think it makes sense to look at the classes the student took in his major and not look at the “golf and bowling” class he took his Sr year. This guy looks at the really “important” games the person had in their last year of play. I don’t see a flaw in that. Knowing that Locker can throw lights out agains San Francisco Poly Tech State Comm College does not compute in whether I think he should be w/ the VIkes in ’11.

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by DM_Purp on Mar 7, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

you missed the point in my analogy

In your argument, you are missing the fact that the student in question got a D+ in freshman history, a B- in sophomore trig and a C in junior philosophy. When you apply for a job, i am pretty sure you won’t secure employment with only your senior yr GPA. Nobody graduates with high honors simply by having a great final year in school.

Not to mention, it might be worthwhile to know a QB actually will throw lights out against sub-par squads. It’s not like Tom Brady plays only above-.500 teams in the NFL…let’s put a realistic model in place here. Unless you think HOF’ers stats should only count when those stats were accumulated against ‘stronger/winning’ teams — i mean, if that is how we are to measure success, we gotta throw out all those slam-dunk games, don’t we??

by rj-b on Mar 7, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

The point I was trying to make is that there are a lot of factors

One factor that I think should get thrown out: How Locker played again Seattle West HS’s JV squad. That doesn’t matter. Teams play those schools for an easy W. That’s it. They should have a lights out game and should “pad” their stats. That doesn’t mean they’re any more or any less prepared for the NFL. When we’re talking about the HOF. That’s different. That’s an accolade. You can look at the stats and winning and SBs because that’s what they’re judged on in the NFL. When judging QBs who you expect to progress to the next level(NFL), you should look at the games they played against tough opponents because it doesn’t matter how many points they can put up on a JV squad. The playing field in college football is not level for all games. The difference between playing Ohio State’s Defense and [insert DII team] is a big difference so why judge them the same?

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by DM_Purp on Mar 8, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

the playing field in the NFL is hardly level for all games, either.

but i digress.

When judging QBs who you expect to progress to the next level(NFL), you should look at the games they played against tough opponents because it doesn’t matter how many points they can put up on a JV squad.

…if you’re tracking and projecting the progress of a QB, wouldn’t it make sense to see how he has developed over the course of two, three, four seasons??

it’s like taking a picture of a 6-yr old kid against a wall to show his rate of growth. but unless you have the marks on the wall to show his height at ages 3/4/5, it becomes pretty irrelevant, doesn’t it??

by only looking at the player’s final year, you cannot get a grasp for how the player has developed over his college career, which should hold just as much importance as how he played his final season — and while the ‘tougher’ games may give a better indication for the player’s skill level, completely ignoring the ‘easy’ games doesn’t promote an accurate perspective.

bottom line: the larger sample size you have, the better information you will receive.

by rj-b on Mar 9, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Where does...

…. Andrew Luck fit in? I know he isn’t coming out, but if he had from what I’ve seen he was the consensus #1 QB in the draft. Never seen him play myself.

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 7, 2011 10:03 AM CST reply actions  

Pick him up 2nd round then...

… or trade picks to get a 3rd rounder. If we could get a franchise QB 2nd or 3rd round, and get to pick a first rounder at another position, we’d be sitting pretty for the future, even if next year is a bit rough.

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 7, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

What someone should do...

… is find a solid formula to rate the success of current/past NFL quarterbacks, and then find the right formula based on their college stats that most accurately correlates. That’s a standard optimization problem.

The problem I see here is that it isn’t absolutely clear-cut what defines the level of success of an NFL quarterback.

But those at the top are generally quite successful, with a few exceptions.

My guess is an even more predictive formula could be found.

by HammeroftheGods on Mar 7, 2011 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

I agree, six QBs seems a small sample size.

I agree with some of the criterion used. But I’d like to see it broadened a bit more.

by Shawn Gillogly on Mar 7, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Did he just not do one yet for Ponder or?

I don’t take much notice of a formula which takes the canidate’s senior year only moving forward. Seems highly subjective at the very best of situations. As someone pointed out, based on Locker’s season last year, he would’ve had a much higher rating. The whole body of work should be looked at.

P.S. http://www.fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/NFL-Draft_2011_Locker_2-23-2011.htm Was very interesting to try and show just how innaccurate Locker really is.

by FSUViking on Mar 7, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Re: Locker's analysis

just a thought — in the link you provided, Fischer points out the following “exception”:

*Michael Vick had metrics in this 25+ range as well, but had multiple injury issues his final year.

not to sound like a Locker apologist, but he played through a fractured rib last season, which i imagine affected his play juuuuust a little bit. Fischer applies this injury exception to Vick, i’m sure, b/c he has already proven to be a successful NFL QB. he has the luxury of ignoring that factor with Locker, as it doesn’t validate the “assured bust” label he has pinned on the QB.

i can certainly appreciate the amount of time and effort Fischer put into this ‘study’, but i think he’s basing his opinion solely on how his formula results end up. i don’t give his word any more weight than Kiper or McShay…in fact, i’d probably scrutinize Fischer’s results even more, given that he uses such a confined formula, based on what he alone determines as contributing factors to a QB’s success, applying a subjective ‘weight’ system only to certain areas that nobody else can verify as a legitimate or appropriate scale.

until he releases the ‘equation’ for others to do on their own, i can’t take it seriously. at least with 26-27-60, any Joe Schmoe can look up the information on their own and make an assessment. with Fischer’s system, we have to take him at his word, which in the end is only as good as yours or mine.

by rj-b on Mar 7, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

It was interesting to see some of the statistics in that article but you’re completely right. His formula is pretty subjective and doesn’t take a whole lot into account. I was initally thinking in my first post how he doesn’t take into account that someone may have been injuried on the team which affected numbers or quality of talent etc etc. but I saw you mentioned it in an earlier post.

by FSUViking on Mar 7, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand that side of it

He states more than enough that it’s not a perfect system. Maybe that’s one of the “red flags” that comes up. Anyways, he DOES, in fact, use results to come up with the formula. He’s taken a look at some of the best players in the NFL right now and used all the stats from their college games to try to come up with some sort of correlation between them in college to how they got to the NFL. If you look at the breakdown that he has for Stanzi. Yes, he doesn’t spill the “formula” but he tells you exactly what he’s looking at. Shows the games he inputs and the reasoning behind it. I understand if you want to argue that. But he’s used those previous players to try to predict what these current players are going to be like. Only time will tell. Maybe he’s onto something. Like he said in the article, these are meant to project. Nothing will be perfect about this. This Stanzi scenario could be a moot point if he bombs his wonderlich

by DM_Purp on Mar 7, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting...

I like this measurement a bit more than the others, because it seems based a bit more on pure logic than just mathematical statistics (such as, 2 TDs in 20 attempts is the same as 4 TDs in 40 attempts). And of course, the fact that Stanzi takes the cake according to this system. I wonder how many teams read this, and how many take it seriously- could theoretically impact Stanzi’s draft stock! If the Vikings are to believe all this, I would take him in round 2.

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by KJSegall on Mar 7, 2011 6:25 PM CST reply actions  

Pretty sweet formula

This seems to make more sense than the others. Thanks Cat Scratch Reader!

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by Eric J. Thompson on Mar 7, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

The way I see it

If none of the top QBs are available at #12, we should just go BPA. If we end up getting a QB later, great, if not, let’s bring in a vet to compete with Webb. The stadium deal should be finalized by the season opener (again, IF there is a next season…) and if all else fails, maybe we’ll be able to snag Luck in 2012.

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by Td1984 on Mar 7, 2011 11:27 PM CST reply actions  

Not that Surprised, Actually

Maybe I’m a bit biased here but look at the stats..Stanzi’s improved every year as a starter..came back from injury as a better player..ran a pro style offense..and he is good at dealing with high pressure situations(see any of his 4th quarter comebacks, ie mich state) I for one would be thrilled to see him in purple..and Locker IS NOT worth it..something about that kid scares me off

by PURPpplEATER on Mar 8, 2011 7:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

The more body of work to examine the better IMO

That’s why I like the 37 games started (must also look at winning ) and 60 career completion barometer.

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by NMVike on Mar 8, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions  

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