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Did Someone Really Just Suggest That The Vikings Trade Adrian Peterson?

I saw that "davver" had posted this article in our FanPosts section, and while I don't want to just copy and paste the whole article here, I did want to put forth some thoughts on it.

The folks at Football Outsiders have posted an article entitled "Fixing the Vikings." While the article makes some good points about our favorite football team, its central premise is flawed, in my opinion, because it involves the Vikings trading away their best player.

Can you imagine the booty Peterson could bag? I'm not talking about the aftermath of six-figure drinking with Bryant McKinnie. I'm talking about Rick Speilman fielding trade offers for AP. Every NFL team wants a great running back, and Minnesota has one. New England and Indianapolis historically acquire picks, but they may spare some to land a star of Peterson's ilk for the end of their quarterback's careers. Bill Belichick wants someone to spread the field, and his first-round picks look mighty appealing. The Colts running game was a nightmare in 2010 and made the team ridiculously one-dimensional. A move for Peterson would propel Jim Irsay's tweets to unprecedented levels and help Indy play a Super Bowl at home. Hell, habitual acquirer Daniel Snyder might make Zygi Wilf an offer he can't refuse if Peterson develops a taste for wine. In Texas, one owner may like to see the local kid fill up the big screen every Sunday. Plenty of other NFL teams need a running back too, and some may make the move just to invigorate fans.

After the jump, let's discuss this a little further.

Star-divide

I really don't think there's any chance that the Vikings would entertain the thought of dealing Adrian Peterson at this point in time, or at any other point in time, to be honest. For starters, while the Vikings may be in a "rebuilding" mode, they need to have at least something on their offense that they can depend on, and that something in this case is Adrian Peterson. Whether the Vikings' quarterback in 2011 is Joe Webb, a drafted rookie, or a veteran that is going to be the bridge to one of those two players, the Vikings' offense needs Adrian Peterson this upcoming season. Keep in mind, Peterson is already averaging about 1,450 yards a season since he got to the NFL, and in only one of those seasons did he have a passing game to supplement him that was actually worth anything.

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Toby Gerhart and all that, but at this point in his career he's clearly better as a supplement than a guy that's going to be the main back to "carry the mail" for the Minnesota Vikings. If Bill Musgrave wants any chance of keeping defenses honest and keeping his quarterback. . .whoever he is. . .from getting killed in 2011, Adrian Peterson needs to be a part of this team. If he gets the 300+ carries that he should, he'll put up another 1,400 to 1,500 yards (barring injury, obviously), and will ease any growing pains of Minnesota's offensive transition.

Second of all, let's not fool ourselves. . .quite possibly more important in the mind of Zygi Wilf and company, at this point. . .would be the PR hit the team would take if they were to deal away their best and most recognizable player. Remember, the Vikings are in the middle of a stadium chase, and dealing away a player of Peterson's caliber at this point in time could only mean bad, bad things on that front. It would send a signal that Wilf isn't interested in being competitive on the field in 2011, and simply wants a stadium and the profits that would come from it. Now, the more hardcore Viking fans among us know. . .or, at the very least, hope. . .that that isn't true, but it would be much harder to convince the more casual fan of that.

Third, while the idea of getting a boatload of draft picks for Adrian Peterson sounds nice, but the reality is that it simply wouldn't happen. The author of the FO article mentions the Patriots as a possible destination for Peterson, and getting both of New England's first-round picks this season in exchange. But later in the same article, the author points out that the Patriots have a guy in BenJarvus Green-Ellis, an undrafted free agent, that ran for over 1,000 yards last season. . .and they supplement him with Danny Woodhead, another undrafted free agent, that ran for over 500 yards as well. If Bill Belichick is going to get that kind of production out of a couple of nobodies (comparatively in terms of name recognition, not as a slight on their abilities), why is he going to send two first-round picks to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson? Because he's not, that's why.

Trading Adrian Peterson may sound like a good idea, but it's knee-jerk and reactionary at best. Thankfully, I think we can all take solace in the fact that, in the words of American philosopher Carl Brutananadilewski, it is never freakin' happening.

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Wrong headed

I responded to davver’s post and think it is a stupid idea. Would Chicago have traded Walter Peyton or Cleveland traded Jim Brown? The Vikings have the same type of talent in Adrian and it would be a stupid move that no one is considering.

by TexasViking on Apr 10, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the payoff for trading Peterson would be good enough.

Say, for some reason that Peterson was traded and the Vikings received two first round picks. For the trade to be a win for the Vikings one of those picks has to turn into a HOF type perennial pro-bowler and the other would have to be at least a quality starter/fringe pro-bowler. That means that both picks would have to be not only good picks but great picks. The odds of picking two first rounders in a single year that are of that quality are pretty low. Yes, they could improve two positions but at the cost of downgrading one significantly. At best it would be taking two small steps forward and one big step backwards. Don’t see it happening and think it would be a rather large risk to take.

by CanadianViking on Apr 10, 2011 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

But just to play devil's advocate,

what if it were players and not picks?

I like Peterson too, and having the league’s best RB is a real luxury, but today’s NFL is a passing league. Who was the last team to win a Super Bowl on the back of a dominant rusher? The running game might have gotten them there, but RB by committee is the norm today.

Who are the best RBs in the NFL today? AP, Chris Johnson, Jones-Drew, Arian Foster, Steven Jackson, the two guys in Carolina maybe? None of these guys led their team to the playoffs this season and it hasn’t happened much for a few years.

If this were the mid-nineties, I would be less open to it. But it’s a QB driven league now. Look at your Super Bowl champs: couple of complete gimps at RB but their QB took them to the top. While I don’t really want to get rid of Peterson, I don’t think it’s a crazy idea if you can get a QB out of it. For picks, no, because picks have a way of turning to nothing.

And don’t get mad at me here guys. I’m not advocating the destruction of the franchise or anything. I’m just saying “what if”. I don’t actually even have a realistic scenario I’m trying to sell.

by Bodysuit Man on Apr 10, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Valid question and don't get me wrong as I think talking about trading Peterson is fine.

My position is that nobody will offer a sweet enough deal to make it worthwhile to trade Peterson. I’d be okay with trading Peterson for Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, and some of the other pro bowl QBs in the league but nobodies going to offer up a franchise QB for a RB even if they’re a potential HOF’r like Peterson. There are definitely deals that would be fair but I wouldn’t ever want to trade Peterson for anything less than a top QB. Would you be happy with a Peterson for Kevin Kolb trade, or Kyle Orton and a 2nd rounder? I wouldn’t.

by CanadianViking on Apr 10, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good breakdown

Nailed it Chris, nothing more to say.

by Cobra312004 on Apr 10, 2011 2:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Trading Peterson

equals PR disaster.
Vikings won’t even give it a thought

Minnesota Wild 2011: Don't even bother, unless you like booing.

by NorthernStar on Apr 10, 2011 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Wouldn't Happen.

Only way is if Peterson seriously breaksdown next year but I don’t see that happening nor do I see them trading away Peterson. You don’t trade away the face of your franchise. You also don’t trade away a talent like Peterson. Who is to even say trading away Peterson will even equal making our team a success and “fixing” it? We could draft busts with any pick given and ultimately would’ve given away a once in a lifetime sort of talent. I don’t see that happening.

Plus no CBA means no player trades. We would at a minimum be trading him away for the 2012 draft and later.

by FSUViking on Apr 10, 2011 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

wow, this riled some feathers

It depends on what your goal is. If your goal is not to have any totally uncompetitive seasons (say 4 wins or less) then you shouldn’t trade AP. As long as AP is out there you’re going to win some games and have some nice highlight reels to watch. If your goal is playoff births and legitimate super bowl runs, then the trade makes sense.

At a different point in your cycle a trade for AP would make sense. Could you imagine having to face Peyton Manning and AP on the same team on a Sunday. You might as well pack up and go home. When you’ve got a lot of aging but still productive stars it makes sense to overpay for missing pieces to make a run. In fact that’s exactly what the Vikings did two years ago with Farve, and it was a good effort. It almost worked. You mortgaged the future a little to take a legit shot and came close. But now those aging vets are officially too damn old, and its time to let go. Grasping

What could you get for AP, I don’t know. I’d want at least a 1st round pick, maybe more. While its true that good RBs grow on trees in the NFL, great ones don’t. AP is the best RB in the league, period. He can put a team with a good QB but bad run game over the top. As always, this would only make sense given the right price.

I agree this will never happen because of the ownership and stadium situation. The roof gave out on the Vikings figuratively and literally last year. Your not going to get a new stadium trading AP. But that’s PR and political BS, its got nothing to do with smart football. This discussion may be academic, but then again what isn’t academic on an internet message board.

You honestly want to know the Vikes best shot at getting back to the SB? Trade AP and any other vets and use the high picks to rebuild the line and the mid picks on the specialist players. Try to have the worst record in the NFL next year so you can draft Andrew Luck. Yeah, I know, who wants to buy season tickets to watch that. But I’m just armchair QBing your path to the 2016 SB.

For those that asked in the other thread, here are the details on the Herschel Walker trade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker_trade

Minnesota Vikings received

    RB Herschel Walker
    Dallas’s 3rd round pick – 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
    San Diego’s 5th round pick – 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
    Dallas’s 10th round pick – 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
    Dallas’s 3rd round pick – 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)

Dallas Cowboys received

    LB Jesse Solomon
    LB David Howard
    CB Issiac Holt
    RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
    DE Alex Stewart
    Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
    Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
    Minnesota’s 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
    Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) – (12) (Alvin Harper)
    Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) – (38) (Dixon Edwards)
    Minnesota’s 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) – (37) (Darren Woodson)
    Minnesota’s 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) – (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
    Minnesota’s 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) – (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)

by davver on Apr 10, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I just cried

seeing the results of that Herschel Walker trade again. How were we stupid enough to ever trade THAT much away, and what makes us think that another team would be stupid enough to trade that much for AP or any other single person? And, moreso, taking a shot at drafting unknowns and banking that we will get an Emmitt Smith or Darren Woodson is probably not that smart either, when we have a proven RB and veteran team. We are one Wade Wilson, I mean one QB away from the SB, as proven by Favre in 2009.

by Lofoten on Apr 10, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

don’t forget two offensive linemen, 1 offensive receiver, 1 defensive safety, 1 defensive linebacker and 2 defensive linemen and 2 offensive quarterbacks (we currently have only 1 on a depth chart that requires 3), as proven by the Vikings in 2010

by Chris3 on Apr 10, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are one Wade Wilson, I mean one QB away from the SB, as proven by Favre in 2009.

dude, you’re dreaming. we kinda suck, as proven by our 6-10 record in 2010.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Injuries, dissension and just plain bad luck

No team is ever that far from turning 6-10 to 10-6 (or back again) in the NFL.

It took us 1 year to go from 13-3 to 6-10, why do people assume it’ll take a decade to turn back around again.

It’s the NFL, parity on steroids.

by Shawn Gillogly on Apr 11, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tell that to the Lions Rams Raiders and Chiefs

Sure those franchise are seeing signs of life right now, but they also have been down in the dumps for years upon years. Hell throw in the Bills as well.

No. In the NFL teams can turn it around, but they also need a few key pieces or they will continue to stumble. Teams need to be smart in how they draft and build, and finally they need to craft a plan to be able to maintain and replace key players. Teams that figure out how to do this win, those that don’t….well they become the next bottom feeder.

by PackApologist on Apr 11, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

the article brings up a lot of great points that people here do not want to admit to.

after 5 years of chilly and company, we are riddled with roster problems and have more problems to deal with on the horizon. it is never wrong to point those out and offer some bold ideas. you may not like the idea, but i don’t see you offering any solutions, just slinging darts out of insecurity that the article may have validity.

the problem i have with your rant here and your previous article (which attempts to make the vikings look like kings of the draft), is that you sweep reality under the rug for “feel-good” statements. “ain’t gonna happen. arrr, arrr, arrr”, doesn’t address the fact that AP still runs up the backside of those fat-fock-n-o-lineman who can’t open any holes for him, much less give the qb any time to throw. or the fact that he is costing us $10.7M this year (in the last year of his contract), and that this team doesn’t know how to utilize his talent.

the article mentions several of the major problems our team and roster currently have that all should be addressed somehow. the author points out one big ticket trade idea with a few different variations. bravo for him. i think that type of move could certainly benefit the team and help to finally put this organization on track for sustained success. what this organization lacks is vision, and a method of building toward that vision.

chilly, speilman and company were short sighted in their approach to personnel and organization building, imo. they are a far cry from new england and belichick, and even the likes of baltimore, the jets, pittsburgh, and even the puckers.

let’s not forget the other elephant contract in the room….jared allen. he’s gonna cost us $9M this year, $11.6M next year, and $14.2M the year after that. that makes bernard berrian’s stupid contract look like peanuts and bud light piss water.

the article points out how the vikes haven’t exact;y been replenishing a few minor units on the team, like….qb, the o-line, the d-backs and the d-line. good thing we have camarillo to anchor that wr corps tho.

“see ya later sidney and ray-ray….yo, adrian, we want you to carry the ball 500 times this year, now don’t fumble, and just remember, there are only 9 men in the box against our 7…..and we’ve got bryant mckinnie….and he said he worked out this offseason”. <<< end sarcasm (genius).

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks

like I said, its really all about your goals. win now or win later. win now made sense two years ago IMO. now we are at win later. things like the Moss trade struck me as the last desperate throws of the win now mentality. it was more about childress trying to save his career then doing what was best for the team

by davver on Apr 10, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

the owner had a lot to do with gettng moss, against chilly's wishes...

the wheels fell off the cart a year ago at this time, right before the draft.
favre was “retired” again, and we didn’t do anything to address the qb situation.
sidney rice was hiding a major hip injury from the team (this gets overlooked).
the braintrust fumbled the draft up and scrambled to try to pick something
(they misread the draft and missed their target players, and didn’t have back-up plan)
chilly was holding onto the idea that favre would be his savior again, and pandered to
favre’s ridiculous prima-donna behavior by letting favre sit out camp and then throwing
several million dollars more at him to come back and call the shots.
their was minor mutiny amongst the other star players for the special treatment.
the wr carosel started in training camp, when it was obvious that sidney rice needed
surgery (after he was unable to re-sign a long term deal)…we even had javon walker in!!!

by the time we got to the randy moss deal, we were already toast. it was nothing more
than a shot of morphine to dull the pain of a season that was lost almost before it started.

some people here were predicting the current problems back then, only to be ridiculed by
the delusionally drunk on purple kool-aid crew. it is sad, but true….homerism is a social disease.

we are not re-building, we are untangling a tangled web and trying to find a way to build
from the functionally disfunctional mediocrity that is a viking tradition.

i don’t think we need to sink any further, i just think we need a clear vision and the dicipline to assemble a team that resembles that vision. i think leslie frazier sees that, and i just hope he makes deliberate moves to help long term.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, at this point, Spielman and Frazier are the two most important pieces in untangling that web and reevaluating the players they have and making a system that incorporates the players strengths and minimizes their weaknesses…unlike the childress “my system regardless of their abilities” type of thinking.

by Chris3 on Apr 10, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would

I don’t like it but this team is in complete rebuild mode. If you get enough I would do it, Also get rid of MT Mick, Berian and a few DB’s that suck and start over. AP is the best RB in football and we will get alot for him (the slave) . He had his chance in the title game to get us to the big one and fumbled it away, Trade if you get a super trade if not keep him. Trade only to a AFC team please

by mnnorm on Apr 10, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Two reasons why this won't work/ is a bad idea.

As Chris pointed out, I think personally the Minnesota Vikings are the team that need Adrian Peterson the most. Could we get a first rounder from some other team for him? Absolutely, I’m sure we could get a number of teams to agree to that. But could we get multiple first round and other high rounds picks? Now we’re pushing it. At minimum, to trade away a face-of-the-franchise, bedrock-of-the-offense guy like AP, take the risk of a horrific ‘11 AND ’12 (face it, that kind of loss will take two years minimum to get over) as well as the subsequent PR disaster (I would be ticked at the Vikings, that’s for sure), I want a first-rounder in ‘12 (we won’t have time to get any draft picks for this year, I’ll acept that), ‘13, AND ’14, a second rounder in ’12 and ’13, and a third rounder in ’12, plus a few fourth rounders in there somewhere. Oh, and a couple of serviceable guys somewhere around the secondary and O-line. Nobody;’s making that trade; nor should they. We’re the only team, again, in the NFL who would value him that highly.

The second problem with this idea that I have read is that ‘teams don’t win Super Bowls with RBs anymore’. Yeah, well- there are ALWAYS exceptions, and Peterson’s the kind of player to create such exceptions. You need a QB to win a Super Bowl, right? Go as the Ravens and the Bucs what they think about that. Well, they had solid defenses, and that’s what wins championships, right? Well… go ask the ’06 Colts and Bears how that whole theory worked out. With exceptional players again come exceptions to rules- and I challenge anyone to say that AP is not the kind of truly exceptional player that can create that situation.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

the fact that he is an exceptional back is somewhat a moot point here, imo.

we still don’t have an o-line that can open holes for him. he gets hit behind the line more times than not, and he is not a very accomplished back in terms of being patient behind the line and picking the right cuts (ladanian tomlinson’s performance last year showed what that type of talent looks like). also, that zone blocking scheme with those fat slow oafs simply doesn’t make no sense. i don’t think the predicatable playcalling helped matters much either.

so, why have this amazing talent, pay him a ton of cash, and not put the piecs in place around him to take advantage of his super-human gifts (lineman, blocking scheme, FULLBACK, coaching, playcalling)?

the real question here is….do we try to re-sign him? his contract is up, maynard. and he is going to command a major league payday. we have even less personnel to surround him with this year than we did the last few years.

i would take roger saffold, vladimir ducasse and our 3rd round pick over chris cook and toby-won-kenobe any day. and then we would have something to work with in terms of o-line….which equates to opening holes and protecting any q-back we lure to minnesota.

then, i think it is a no brainer to re-sign peterson, and start talking about trading jared allen for an immediate solid starter and a solid young prospect who can play now.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

vlad duccasse

is a bum i watched hardknocks and he needs alot of work

by favre4204ever on Apr 10, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

or charles brown, jon asamoah, or jon jerry....take yer pick.

i read that ducasse is slated to start at guard this year.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

resign him, and then yes, give him an O-line.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can win a SB with AP...

…if you have a history making defense like the Ravens and Bucs did. do the vikings have such a defense? no, and it ain’t getting any younger.

you can bring in another over the hill guy like McNabb and try to win one of the toughest divisions in football with a mediocre pass game, a decent run game, and a middling defense. sounds more like a formula for 6-10 wins to me.

look that isn’t the end of the world. having a team do shitty is not fun, even an 8-8 team gives you some reason to watch on Sundays. I’m just saying that its not the path to the SB.

by davver on Apr 10, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

to kind of finalize things in my last comment

either your in a rebuilding phase or you aren’t. either go for it or don’t. half assed rebuilding usually means several years of 8-8 mediocrity. so if your in a rebuilding phase, trade AP, Allen, whoever. if you aren’t don’t. but don’t do either one halfway.

by davver on Apr 10, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a community

So thank you for posting your ideals, davver.

A big middle finger to Mr. Goodell.

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 10, 2011 5:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i love you screen name...now all you need is an avatar

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in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get your point.

I think the difference of opinions that we have here revolve, perhaps, around how long it will take for us to reload, and just how much work is necessary. I think in one, two years we can be right back on track. Will it take a little bit of luck? Of course, but what teams’ Super Bowl run DIDN’T include a bit of luck, and who’s #1 draft pick didn’t cause them to go “phew!” when they performed to expectations?

Get a QB, patch the O-line, patch the secondary. Do that, and again- I say it can be done in two years, tops- we’re bringing the Pack, Bears, Lions- oh, and the rest of the NFC… er, NFL- right down.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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by KJSegall on Apr 11, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

Finish thoughts before replying, idiot. (That’s to me, BTW.) In this case, we will want AP around when those two years are up to solidify our SB run. I say, getting 2012 draft picks and beyond, is only going to drag the process out. Keep in mind, we’re not going to be Herschel Walker-ing anyone. I really hate to type these words, I truly do- but nobody’s going to be dumb enough to get fleeced like that again.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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by KJSegall on Apr 11, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I understand what you're saying

And welcome your thoughts on the matter. . .but unless the Vikings can accurately gauge what they could get for guys like Allen, Peterson, et al, it’s harder to know which direction to go.

If the Vikings are serious about trading Adrian Peterson, is a first-round pick a good enough price for, essentially, gutting your offense? I’m not sure that it is. . .and I’m not sure if the Vikings would get more than that for AP. I mean, maybe you could sucker a Dan Snyder or somebody into something more, but I would think the odds of it are slim.

If the Vikings are going to go into full-on rebuilding mode, that’s fine. . .but we don’t need them to be dumping guys simply for the sake of dumping guys. If you can get the proper value for an Allen or a Peterson, that’s one thing. . .if you can’t get them to pony up what you think is comparable value, that’s another.

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by Christopher Gates on Apr 10, 2011 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only way I would trade him would be for a huge deal

One first round pick isn’t enough imo, there would have to be more. A young, starting quality QB would have to be part of the deal if we didn’t get multiple high picks. Quarterbacks are the building block for championships nowadays, not RBs. A running game is important (unless you’re the Packers I guess) but it doesn’t have to come from one superstar runner.

by Bodysuit Man on Apr 10, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why trade...

a first-round pick, who completely lived up to and stands to continue to live up to that potential, for just another first rounder to gamble on someone who could totally bust (Moss- Williamson)? You’re going to have to give me multiple first round picks to even get me discussing such a trade.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.

by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Kolb is still an Eagle

Which team in their right mind would trade 2 or more first round draft picks for one season? You will notice that Kevin Kolb is still with the Eagles, despite the Eagles wanting 1 first round pick and one 2nd round pick for him. I will concede that he is not of the same caliber player at qb that AP is at RB, but the point is that no team will give up their first two picks in the draft right now.

Others have suggested that AP will be worth more in the next contract, and I agree, however, they forget to mention that there is no salary cap, and most likely never will be again. Considering that issue hasn’t come up in the CBA disagreements (at least as reported by the media), I would suggest that we are most likely not going to see it in the next CBA.

Getting rid of someone who is talked about (after 3 yrs) as a future Hall of Famer is stupid, no matter what you can get for him. After 10 yrs, maybe, but after his initial contract? Really? Unless we can drain someone of their next 5 yrs of draft picks, and then end up getting AP back in free agency next year, I don’t see where it will help.

Of course, to the Chagrin to everyone else on the board, perhaps we can still get Herschel Walker
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/herschel-walker-48-says-he-may-try-to-return-to-nfl/1

by Chris3 on Apr 10, 2011 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I do have to suggest here that the MMA is a lot more physically demanding than the NFL….so, a possibility?

by Chris3 on Apr 10, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

crazy thought, but check out new england's picks in this year's draft...and they went 14-2.

2011 new england draft choices:

  1. - (17) 1st rnd
  2. - (28) 1st rnd
  3. - (1) 2nd rnd
  4. - (28) 2nd rnd
  5. - (11) 3rd rnd
  6. - (28) 3rd rnd
  7. - (28) 4th rnd
  8. - (28) 5th rnd
  9. - (28) 6th rnd

that’s 9 picks total and 2 each in the first 3 rounds. this is a team that went 14-2 and should have won the super bowl last year. they have young talent abound. there is no way they are going to keep more than 4 rookies on their roster. they are built to win now.

they might be a candidate for the pr disaster known as “trading ap”. and it could be worthwhile, if there is no stadium backlash. there are several trade scenerios that you could construct from this trade idea. i would favor getting at least a 2011 1st, 2nd & 3rd along with a 2012 1st.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops, dang formatting bug.....i used "#" in front of each pick...and it got effed up.
  1. pick 17- (17) 1st rnd
  2. pick 28 – (28) 1st rnd
  3. pick 33 – (1) 2nd rnd
  4. pick 60 – (28) 2nd rnd
  5. pick 74 – (11) 3rd rnd
  6. pick 92 – (28) 3rd rnd
  7. pick 125 – (28) 4th rnd
  8. pick 159 – (28) 5th rnd
  9. pick 193 – (28) 6th rnd

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Beat me to the punch.

:P That’s another flaw to this logic. We’re waiting to 2012 to even get these draft picks. We’re going to gut our offense now to only wait a year before cashing in? This would potentially only extend the reloading phase, rather than speed it up.

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by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

i laughed at myself there, i got done with it and said "holy crap !!"

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I had a nickle...

for every time I’ve done that.

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by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

in another thread, i played out possible trades for picks...

new england is still an attractive potential trading partner, imo. they have too many picks for there own good this year.

in the future there will be no war...there will only be rollerball.

by jethrophet on Apr 10, 2011 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I both competed in and coached

MMA. It’s physically demanding, yes, but in a sincerely different way than the NFL. Now, granted, I never played in the NFL nor coached for it, but having basically read the doctors of the respective sports discuss them, it’s an apples to oranges thing. In an MMA match, you can lose and walk out without a scratch. Noooo way that happens in the NFL, win OR lose. Furthermore, in MMA you are done when your body is sufficiently beaten down in a match that, at longest, lasts 25 minutes. Unless you get a concussion, again, no dice in the NFL- you just drag your arse back out to take the beatings that can equal repeated car accidents for up to 60 minutes*.

*Yes, unless you actually have a position on offense, defense, AND special teams, and play every single down, you see about 30 minutes in reality, tops, on the field. Still. Repeated car accidents… bleh. Even ground and pounds aren’t considered as intense as that.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that idea!

You know, trade him, snatch some great picks, then steal him right back one season later. I could get behind that. BTW, however, I do hope you’re wrong about the salary cap, I certainly pray that comes back. I think it’s a cornerstone to the NFL’s current competitive field.

Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to give the author of the Trade AP post some credit

He did some good research and brought up some troubling stats that many fans consistently chalk up to players being injured or the scheme or something else like players being in the wrong position (Loadholt to guard, Winfield to safety, etc) .

Here is some of what the original post stated …

Winfield is the only employable defensive back on the roster after Cedric Griffin suffered two knee injuries in the 2010 calendar year

The offensive line hasn’t finished in the Top 10 in Adjusted Line Yards in years, and the pass protection is even worse.

Some franchises believe securing players to match up against division foes is a path to relevancy. The Texans drafted Mario Williams to pressure Peyton Manning. Rex Ryan invested in defensive backs to slow down the New England Patriots. Where does this lead Minnesota? The secondary. All three division teams pose problems for the Purple’s defensive backs. The NFC North will have Calvin Johnson, Greg Jennings, and Mike Martz’s pass happy offense for years to come. The Vikings ranked 16th in the league last year against No. 1 wide receivers, and that was the highlight. They were crushed by No. 2 receivers (25th) and beat even worse by “other” receivers (27th).

This is why I have been on the Jimmy Smith bandwagon lately. If the Vikings do not go QB in the first round then I think a CB may be the best selection. I know that offensive line is a huge concern and the left side only has a year or two left of adequate play IMO. I just feel that a player like Smith or Amukamara could step right in and start.

But I digress.

The thought of trading AP is sacrilege to most Vikings fans and is understandable. But if the Vikings will not relevant for the next two or three years then AP will be almost 29 by then with plenty of carries.

I personally believe that they would get two first or a first and second and solid player.

But Chris makes some good counter points too especially the PR point. I think of it more as putting fannies in the seats. That is real and money in the bank. I do not think it has any bearing on the stadium because the team was pretty good in 2008 & 2009. I think the fine people of Minnesota may ultimately be too well grounded to be able to reconcile cutting public services, etc. and then ponying up for a stadium.

I think AP has nothing to do with the stadium. He could get hurt and be done for his whole career at any point. The people of Minnesota are much smarter than they are being given credit.

As I said in the other thread, it is an interesting idea and one that was presented with some solid facts and not just thrown out there. I am comforted by the fact that at least the facts the dude presented are not being questioned.

by MarkSP18 on Apr 10, 2011 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

"Every NFL team wants a great running back..."

Except the Vikings, according to the analysis cited above.

Flawed article, flawed premise. Even if AD makes a regular habit of “the NFL is modern-day slavery” sort of statements, I see no reason to part ways with him. You know, because every NFL team wants a great running back.

by Midnight Rambler on Apr 10, 2011 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

So here's an idea.

It’s a weird one I’ll grant, and consider it a bit of ‘spit-ballin’ on my part. I hear the legit point that AP is, in terms of RBs, about halfway to a little past halfway on his career. That he could be 29 by the time we’re true contenders again, and that’s typically the last year of many a RB’s career.

So how about this… what if we limit his carries next season? Now, this is assuming that we’re accepting that ‘11 won’t be our glorious Super Bowl triumph. If it’s a restructuring, reloading year, then why not put the workload on Gerhart? Of course, Peterson should still get many a carry- over half- but not to the level we’ve been pushing him. This way, we keep him fresher, and extend his career a year or two.

Granted, AP’s a workin’ man- not a slave, mind you- and he might not be thrilled with this idea, particularly if it means he won’t get getting a +1000 yard year. Perhaps the logic of the situation would work for him, however, as he also strikes me as a bit more cerebral than your average NFL guy, as well as a company man.

Could work, could allow us to have him on our team when we win the Lombardi, and give him the ring he deserves with the team that deserves him.

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by KJSegall on Apr 10, 2011 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think the Vikes are going to offer up AP in a trade

But as an AP fan, if this organization is not going to do anything to fix it’s front line, it would be fun to see what kind of numbers he could put up behind a truly dominant line

by heavysett on Apr 11, 2011 12:29 AM CDT reply actions  

When PFT likes it you know it is dumb

PFT liked the idea so you know it is dumb. Folks should only go to PFT for lawyer stuff. Florio doesn’t know beans about football. He picked up on the ptereson trade things too.

Are we going to the be Sanders Lions or the Payton Bears

We need a big D and a good enough QB.

We have a lot of holes but getting rid of the best back in the NFL is not the way to solve the problem. Coaching up, ball hauking of Defense and an offense designed around the players can go a long way to getting there.

Vince YOung will be our QB next year. NO rookie or Joe WEb will be ready with this summer off.

by ZygiZag on Apr 11, 2011 12:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Colts and AD

Not gonna deny that the Colts could use help in the running game, but getting AD wouldn’t be the cure. Why?

Peyton Manning hates the running game. He has been the QB for the Colts for 12 seasons and for maybe 3-4 of those seasons they’ve had a decent run game. Trust me, if Peyton wanted a better run game he would have it. He owns the Colts. The fact is that he wants to throw the ball every down and the only reason he has a RB behind him is to pick up blitzers.

Also, watch a Colts game sometime when the Vikings aren’t on. The Colts’ offensive line is geared totally to the passing game. They line up to pass block on every play, even plays where any other team in the league would run it (like 3rd and 2 or less). Since the line is always in passing formation and stance, they get no “push” when they do decide to run it. AD may be the man, but we’ve seen last season that a bad line will make even AD look average. With no “push”, AD be forced to bounce it outside every play and the defense knows that. And with the Colts’ lack of a blocking TE and receivers who block for crap, AD is on his own. Hello 3.0 yard average per carry.

Even if Wilf is stupid enough to trade AD, the Colts aren’t the team to get him.

by Ragnar on Apr 11, 2011 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Playing Devil's Advocate...

seeing as how I don’t want to trade AP, but didn’t Joseph Addai have a +1000 yard rushing season when the Colts went to the Super Bowl in ‘06? I wouldn’t say Manning “hates the run game”.

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by KJSegall on Apr 11, 2011 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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