How Does The Lockout (Potentially) Being Lifted Affect The Vikings?
by Christopher Gates on Apr 25, 2011 6:22 PM CDT
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PrintAs Ted. . .who has been doing a killer job today. . .just informed you, Judge Susan Nelson today sided with the players and moved that the NFL's lockout be ended. As expected, the NFL owners immediately appealed.
Now, it's not the appeal that's important in this case. . .it's whether or not Judge Nelson elects to stay the previous court's ruling. If she agrees to stay the ruling while the NFL is making its case to the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, then nothing changes. . .the lockout will remain in place and player movement and things of that nature will remain frozen.
However, if she says that she isn't going to stay the ruling, that means the lockout will be well and truly lifted, and the NFL owners would have to implement a set of rules to facilitate player movement. In that instance, the league is simply expected to implement the rules from last season. . .which the players wouldn't necessarily be beating down the door to play by or anything like that.
See, with the new labor agreement being negotiated, the requirement for unrestricted free agency was expected to go back to the standard four years of NFL service, which it had been. . .prior to last season. Under last season's rules, however, the requirement would be for six years of NFL service in order to gain unrestricted free agency.
A lot of NFL players wouldn't be terribly happy with this, but only two of those players are guys that we, as Viking fans, should actually give a rip about. Those players are wide receiver Sidney Rice and defensive end Ray Edwards. Edwards was quite unhappy last season, as he was a four-year player that expected to get a taste of unrestricted free agency, but was denied that because of the change to the service rule. Rice, who just completed his fourth year in the NFL this past season, was also looking to get out into the free agent market and peddle his services.
If the owners implement the 2010 rules, both of those players would be restricted free agents rather than unrestricted. And, before the lockout, the Vikings placed first-round tenders on both players, meaning that if any team wanted to sign them away from Minnesota, the Vikings would get that team's first-round selection. . .be it this year's or (more likely) next year's. . .in return.
So, if you're Sidney Rice or Ray Edwards, you're probably quite unhappy about that. As a Viking fan, if it means that Ray and Sidney are staying in Minnesota for at least one more season. . .well, I can live with that.
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I have a feeling Rice and won't be back
But wouldn’t it be nice to get two more first rounders for them this year?? We could go QB, OL, and Prince in the first round!!
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 25, 2011 6:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
How do you figure 2 first round picks?
Compensatory, or trade?
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
by Ted Glover on Apr 25, 2011 6:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I meant for Rice and Edwards
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 25, 2011 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And for the player trade, yes
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 25, 2011 7:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If Sidney Rice leaves the Vikings...
I will turn my face to the wall and go into mourning. I really like him and don’t want him to leave Minnesota.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
Definately,
I wouldn’t give him up for Green or Jones in the draft, let’s just hope he doesn’t hate the organization, and just wants to test the waters a bit.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 25, 2011 7:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm gonna cross my fingers...
And hope for the best. I’d hate to have to retire my Sidney Rice jersey.
Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge.
- Paul Gauguin
Yeah, it's so unfair
The poor jersey. It was just so young. Too young. It didn’t deserve this. Why does God hate the Vikings?
Skol!
because the real ones raped and pillaged
damn descriptive karma.
No one is getting Rubio's rights unless they pry them from our cold dead fingers.
by TheEvilProfessor on Apr 25, 2011 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to tell if he really wants out or he is negociating ?
Side note :
Player agents are urging players to stay away from facilities until rules are in place . And the appeal of this ruling should have been given after a signing window for UFA’s after the draft .
—-Rice was rumored as you know to St.Louisfor a 1st in 2012 if Julio Jones is taken ahead of the Rams . Philly was rumored to offer a 1st in 2012 potentially for Edwards .
by gothicpurple on Apr 25, 2011 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
If the current rules are reinstated by the owners
then they can be certain to lose all rights to any restricted free agency. I suspect they will implement rules which favor Rice and Edwards moving on to unrestricted free agency..
After all, the owners are trying to show the court that their rules are not that restrictive and don’t cause that much trouble to the anti-trust laws.
Your position is simply hope, IMHO.
IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.
That crushed my soul Negative Nancy : )
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 25, 2011 8:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem with that is...
you’re basing your assumption of the idea that the owners are a.) logical, b.) care about PR and looking good, and c.) aren’t royally peeved. Keeping last year’s rules on FA/ UFA would be one way to smack the players across the faces for this- I would actually expect it.
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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I stand corrected.
Don’t even bother replying to the PR bit… having just read Goodell’s plea to the fans to avoid Football-mageddon, I obviously was very, very wrong in that particular regard. Still- would be interesting to see if utilizing last year’s rules just to smack players in the faces won’t occur. It potentially depends on what the NFL feels it’s odds are in appelate court- if they think using less restrictive rules will help, then you’ve got me beat. BUT, if the league feels they’re screwed and are just buying time now anyways, they may not care and at least feel they got a ‘last laugh’ in by doing so.
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
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Don't mean to smack you in the face, but...
Are you clear on whats going on. The owners might get their wish. They may actually be forced to play without a CBA. This means they can’t force people to play for teams they don’t want to play for. It means that football can continue but Owners won’t be allowed to restrict the free agency of players.
If the Owners try and “smack players” or act in any way taking advantage of the Judges decision then their actions might cause the NFL to end as we know it. This is the opposite of what the Commish is saying.
I suspect that the Owners will comply as follows.
A) Restricted free agency will be no worse than the last CBA under the salary Cap year.
B) Franchise tags will be restricted to one year.
C) No restriction on rookie salaries
I realize that you believe the Owners will now concede and are only screwing with the players but when I see over 32 Billion dollars of investments maybe starting on a downhill slope, I think the Owners will take this very seriously.
Their bluff has been called and they only have a pair of deuces.
IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.
by lifelongvike on Apr 26, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Will practices be held until another ruling is made, be it the same ruling or not?
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 25, 2011 8:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
We may not need a WR like Rice if we have a QB like Webb
If we draft a guy like Locker he may be more valuable to the franchise but the way I see it the Vikes will be more of a running team than before.
Rice= better Harvin.
We saw this at the beginning of last season, especially with Chilly’s boneheaded attempt to use Harvin more as a wideout rather than the slot receiever he is. Right now, we could potentially be in a situation where Harvin could be triple teamed on a regular basis- and no WR can truly perform in those situations, even one as great as him. I mean, who else are you going to worry about? Berrian? Just keep an eye on him, he might not actually drop it. Camarillo? Yeah, he’s got some VERY solid hands (and I like him a heck of a lot more than BB), but once he’s made the catch, he’s not going very far- he’s just not a speed guy. Hopefully, Jaymar Johnson comes out of the gate- as a taller, supposedly faster guy, he could be the ‘stretch-the-field’ wideout that can open Harvin up.
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.
So here's the question of the day...
how long do the owners have to decide under what rules they will conduct FA/ UFA? Can they just say, “we need a month to deliberate!”, and just presume that of course in that time the appeal will at least result in a stay on the judgement?
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.
I think, and I could be wrong here
that if the injunction is lifted, the time between that happening and free agency starting is midnight of that day. I don’t think the owners can fiddle around with a federal judicial ruling and decide to comply when they’re good and ready to.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
Yea I think so
The de facto rules will be reinstated from last season. The owners don’t have the ability to keep players locked out while they deliberate.
Sooooo....
what’s up? It’s past midnight, no? Dang, I’m having a hard time finding out what’s going on right now. Will there be FA, or a stay? Will FA be under ‘10 or pre-’10 rules?
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.
I think the lockout is still in effect because
the league has filed an appeal. Once the appeal is heard then things start rolling.
I think. My head hurts because of this.
"Lord I pray for the eyes of an eagle, the heart of a lion and the balls of a combat helicopter pilot."
OK so, here's what I've gathered.
It could be all wrong. I wrote most of it into my own story on FA.
The stay is not necessarily because of the appeal. Rather, Judge Nelson has given the players until noon CST tomorrow to respond to the request for a stay. Until then, it’s like a de facto stay. After that, should she side with the players again and deny the stay, the owners technically can take their sweet time in deciding on rules regarding FA…. but, they risk being faced in contempt of court. Essentially, if they can say “listen, it took us x hours to get together and figure it out, but seriously, we were working ont it all along!” then they’re good. BUT, if a court decides that they were just delaying and dragging it out, hoping the appelate court would in turn grant a stay, then they’ve defied a court order and will be held in contempt.
So yes. My head hurts to.
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.
as much as i hate to say it...
…if those rules were enacted, and Edwards and Rice both walked and we got 2012 1st round picks in return…i honestly wouldn’t mind. i couldn’t care less about Edwards, Rice would be a blow to be sure, but we would be sitting with three 1st rd picks next season. this year would be rough, but we’re in “restructuring” mode and that many 1st rd picks can go a loooooong way.
(or, if Philly is interested in Edwards, i wonder if a Kolb/Edwards swap would suffice…i’d rather have a 2012 1st rd pick in return for Edwards, but i guess Kolb wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize should that rule end up falling flat for whatever reason…)
Kolb for Rice... mayyyyyybe.
We’d still have to toss a draft pick or two in. But I don’t see a Kolb for Edwards trade. (Also, for the record, my head would explode if we traded Rice for Kolb.)
Ah, the failed attempt at returning Moss home. It was like '98 and '09 were about to make sweet, sweet love and give us a glorious '10 child.
www.dailynorseman.com- THE place for true Viking fanatics.
Do you realize that both
Edwards and Rice will be free agents. The court has ruled in favor of the players. The court is not going to restrict the players empoyee/employer rights even more.
IT IS TIME TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO DRAFT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.
No more old guys. No more excuses. No more passing up our own great drafted quarterback.
by lifelongvike on Apr 26, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
My first moves would be
1) Send a playbook to Joe Webb. That way even if the lockout is reinstated he’s got that to study!
2) Have a true heart to heart with Sid the Kid. Let him know how much the team REALLY cares about him. Might not help considering who his agent is, but it couldn’t hurt.
3) Take a serious look at top FA Qb, RG, S, & Wr. If we can fill just one or two of these spots pre draft then draft to fill other spots it would put us ahead of the curve.
4) Think about a deal sending Berrian & M. Williams to the Deadskins for McNabb & their 3rd & 4th round picks. I’m not really sold on McNabb, but it would fix a couple different problems at one time.
Just my thoughts.
L. A. Player
by L. A. Player on Apr 26, 2011 1:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think you all are off base and your rockers :)
If the lockout is lifted the owners need to impose some kind of rules. They most likely will impose the rules that were in place before the CBA expired as opposed to some unilateral new moves which could violate antitrust laws, etc.
The last rules in place were for the uncapped year. Thus Ray Edwards and Sidney Rice are screwed unless a team is going to give them a deal and give up a pick to the Vikings. it did not happen last year and probably will not this year.
Check this out … http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/
During our previous two podcasts we spoke about the possibility of the federal judge lifting the lockout before the draft, which is what transpired today. As of this moment the 2011 NFL season will be played under the 2010 uncapped rules. Teams are now allowed to speak with players and trade veteran players. Sources have told us players and their reps will be on the lookout for any potential collusion by the owners. And while the owners are expected to appeal the ruling numerous sources have told us they (owners) would be happy to play under last years contract and are in no rush to negotiate a settlement. On the other hand as time passes the lockout is becoming an ugly situation from the players point of view. Several people close to the situation offered numerous reasons, including the following:
* Second tier free agents will not be in line for the big payday they expected as the rich crop of potential veteran free agents will be reduced as, once again, unrestricted free agency begins after the sixth year and not the fourth. We’ve heard from several fifth year veterans that signed one year deals or tenders for the 2010 expecting to be free agents in 2011 and they are furious.
* The rank and file are not getting updated on the situation or finding out about the ins and outs of the lockout. One player admitted he gets most of his information and updates from the media rather than relying on the union or his team representative.
So players with less than 6 years of service are getting the high hard one again! Ouch!
The Vikings will most likely NOT lose these two players and can sign any free agent they want since they are not in the Final 8. They still have the 30% rule to be mindful of but they will be able to sign some players.
I think the owners saved a lot of money last year and would not mind going by the uncapped rules for the next couple of years (or more) that it takes to settle the lawsuits.
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